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I got introduced to the concept of polyamory only last year. If I had been 20 years ago, that would probably have allowed to save my marriage. I had a beautiful relationship with my super handsome loving intelligent sensitive husband, best friend awesome communication. But I was not attracted to him, well, my hypersensitive olfactory sense could not stand his pheromones. He, however, was very attracted to me. I was a model when we met. Somehow, subconsciously, i created tons of poor adaptation mechanisms: repeat vag infections, weight gain, vulvodynia... I wanted to be faithful to him and it made me feel terribly inadequate as a woman and as a wife. I even thought I was frigid. I started to drink wine in order to sort of get myself in the mood. Yet it was so seldom that I can tell you at what time and in which position we conceived, a child that I lost. Thankfully. One should never be thankful to loose a child but if I had not miscarried, we would have stayed together. And become more and more miserable. Our friendship was suffering. My belief at the time was "love supercede anything, love is more important then sex". Until one day, unexpectedly, i got the whole sex attraction butterfly etc while I was working on a paper for univerity with a collegue (ugly as f*). That was really unsetteling. I negociated permission with husband to try to seek sex outside our marriage. We arranged an evening where I went out with colleague and he had an escort comes at home. I guess I was so "starved", too young, too endoctrined in my faith principles and because the experience confirmed for him, I was the one regardless of the hardships of our sexuality, I decided to leave him. After 7 years together, I divorced not only a person but a life I loved, a step family I adored, financial security, dreams and projects our companionship had formed. And I knew I was moving into a relationship that would die. (it did within 3 months). Hubby proposed for me to come back. It took all my courage to refuse. It was best for both. Given what we knew of life and what we did not know about other options... A year later he remarried, had 2 kids and the entire story we had tried really hard to build together. I have been mostly alone for the following 18 years. When I was introduced to polyamory last year, it strucked me that it could have been our relationship salvation. Yet, I was then still very judging of people "cheating", either by having lovers or seeing escorts. Until 6 months ago when I opened my mind to kinks and discovered my inclination for ANR. My views started to change. And since I made the switch to become MA, I discovered a world of psychological and emotional pain and suffering I had not realized existed. Because something has not been addressed yet. It was discussed earlier about the don't ask don't tell and the openly agreed upon outsourcing of sex. But something was not addressed. The jail relationship model. Some men are litterally micro-managed by hypercontrolling wives (and it certainly isn't a kink they'd chosen) who will not have sex with them but won't allow them to satisfy their need (and btw sex is a fundamental need see Maslow, the modality to satisfy that need is called a referential need aka hunger=fundamental need to be feed, referential need is pizza or steak). Multi-millionaires men find themselves scraping change to be able to save up until they can afford an Escort. In the past, I considered that it was a lack of courage or spine to not divorce; but I came to realize that it is not that simple. In many cases, there are children involved and these men love their children and were threatened to not be able to see them if they even thought of divorcing. Or, sometimes, life and companionship was cordial or friendly and the financial loss would be tremendous to recover from in the last leg of a professional career making it a big deterrant. If you marry with someone because over all it is a very happy relationship, even if the sex is in the vanilla and just enough category, you evaluate that if things remain the same, you will have a happy life. But when one of the two changes the rules like, being less available sexually, or experiencing an increase of libido, without proposing acceptable accomodation to meet the partner's need, yet requires or threatens retaliation should the partner seeks a way to meet his need, the dilemma becomes very individual and I have come to think one cannot judge how someone will try to meet their needs especially if trying to be as gentle on the whole system as possible. I don't judge anymore. I give unconditional Love. I tap in that very special kind of Love in my work as a MA. I accept unconditionally the human being who entrusts me to help with alleviating his or her need. Massage is a selfless act and gift. I cannot judge anymore. I only Love.

My music is now largely all digital.. on my phone, laptop et al... but, as a writer and an avid fan of reading (most times daily since I learned how.. a habit instilled to me by my father..and one I have passed to my children) and one who understands the sheer volume (HA!) of work and effort that goes into producing a book from thoughts/research alone.... I adore the feel of an actual book in my paws... the texture of the paper.. the smell of it.. that oddly satisfying 'creak' when one first spreads out a new book...whether for entertainment (true crime.. or things that play with my always-busy mind are my favorrrrites) or for research purrrrposes.. I always turn to my books before falling to the 'seduction' of google searches ;) Some of my books for research are actual second printings from 1918.. 1932.. with English/grammar soooo horrendous I cannot, with my penchant for such things.. bare to read them straight through (the oldest one I have was written by, believe it or not.. a 16 year old medicine man 'student' who did not, by any stretch have a good command of English hehe) but the information... facts, in it have prrroven invaluable to me over the years and I would never part with it :) I have parted with some novels over the years, that which I had no need/desire to read again.. but some.. I figure will remain with me until I am done breathing :)

I still remember myself in my twenties. I was single, I was free like a bird, could have any type of relationship with any available girl around - from casual sex to deep emotional involvement. I simply didn't need escort dates at that time, never thought about this. I started it being grown up man after many years of marriage, which I still consider to be happy marriage. I wouldn't consider to be together with any other woman than my wife. And again I completely agree with this. I believe, not just intimacy in real life but escort date to be enjoyable needs open dialog and communications. I had an interesting experience regarding this. I have met once wonderful Chinese woman whose English was very limited. I prepared for each date what I wanted to tell her and printed out Chinese translation. First time she was very surprised but very happy and grateful for my efforts. I would say this moved our dates to next level :-)

I just went and read that post.. wow! reads like my own life hehe.... wonderful piece.. I think perrrhaps it should be one that is 'pinned' somewhere so it's always visible.. especially for newbies ;) Most providers, I would think, have experienced what she talked about, in some measure at least.. and I myself, do not regret one single choice I made.. or even those that were made for me.. albeit some of the things I was put through if I *had* the choice.. I would not have experienced.. but all of them.. grrrreat, good, bad.. downright scary.. all created the incredibly strong, confident, humorous.. talented.. loving, understanding, and street-smart cat that stands before you today.... and I happen to honestly *love* that perrrrrson.. so hehe why would I change anything? ;) I may charge less than some, I may charge more than some... but, it makes sense for me, and works wonderfully well for me, so.. ;) I have wondered why some charge what I would think would not get them any business.. but that is never for me to judge.. so I do not.. it makes sense for them... and obviously, their clients :) the age-old adage; "don't judge a perrrrrson til you've walked a mile in their shoes".. goes a long way here I think :)

my daughter is taking online courses this year. My highlight of the day was her deciding on her own that today was a good day to start her first course. :) She completed the first lesson. I sure am proud of her

I don't justify it, I believe it's wrong and that it will hurt my spouse immensely if she finds out. I do it because, although I love my wife and want to spend the rest of my life with her, we are no longer compatible in bed. After 20 years of marriage she no longer needs it in her life. I, on the other hand need it regularly still. I tried going solo for a few years but it was not satisfying so eventually had to decide between an affair or a SP. With a SP, there was no commitment and not emotional. That was about 11-12 years ago and we still have a happy marriage, it's not perfect in the traditional sense but so far it's worked for me.

Ah I remember being a 23 year old university student who knew everything! Very sure in my knowledge and beliefs. Then actual real life taught me way more! Be strong and let experience be your actual guide!

While admirable that you want to operate legally, you simply can't. PCEPA, the federal law which governs sex work, views all sex workers as victims, and all of our clients as criminals who are exploiting us. Licensing has no effect on the federal law or how it is interpreted, and under the law, the city is functionally a pimp. The City of Winnipeg license is a money grab at best, and at worst creates a higher degree of risk and exposure for you, because it requires that you identify yourself to the police as an escort in order to get your license. The license for an independent escort agency (as well as escorts, escort agencies, body rub parlour and body rub practitioner), explicitly excludes any nudity in advertisements or on the premises, or any suggestion that the services might be sexual or include "nude entertainment." If you do any of the things that most escorts do and that most clients expect, you'd be violating the terms of your license. While the Winnipeg Police are supposedly not targeting sex workers, they are still going after clients in some situations, and in the past have participated in intimidating visits to independent escorts under the guise of being a client, to "offer resources". Your premises being a known and documented place where sex work clients are coming and going seems risky for both you and your clients. There are no legal protections for sex workers when it comes to residential tenancies. If you apply for a license, they could contact your landlord, or your name and address may be part of the public record. If your landlord decides to evict you for being an escort there's likely little you could do about it, and even if you were entitled to some general protections under the residential tenancies act, I would not assume that you would receive equal protection, as sex workers regularly experience discrimination due to stigma. The city licensing scheme is a mess, and doesn't fit in with current federal law in a way that makes sense. If you're operating independently you're better off saving your $2300. If you do decide to apply for the license, make sure you've done all your research, have carefully considered the pros and cons of getting licensed, and understand the contradictory legal framework that the licensing system exists in. There is a Safe Space for Sex Workers in Winnipeg that recently had a presentation by a couple of lawyers who are working on sex work related resources. PM me if you'd like details on the meetings - I'm not sure but they may have the lawyers come in again and it would be a good opportunity to ask questions (though because PCEPA is so new, much of the law hasn't been interpreted yet.)

Had the opportunity to spend some time yesterday with Ms. Manda and all I can say is I had a wonderful time and plan to repeat. Manda not only is incredibly sexy and very pretty , she takes her time with you and makes sure you are having a good time. Very sensual in her way and greeted me in a very sexy lingerie outfit. Smoking hot body and she knows how to use it. Without going into details, because as they say "YMMV" I left with a smile on my face and a lot less "tension" in my body. When the deed was over Manda spent a few minutes with me cuddling and caressing and we engages in some great conversation. I plan to see MSManda again as soon as I can. :)-

Hi, this is my 3rd year on Cerb, 1st year was mostly lurking and reading the various post and threads and getting to know the SP's/MA's and gentlemen on the board thru their postings. It was almost a year before I took the plunge to meet my 1st SP. She was a kind young woman that gave a great first experience and second experience. I met my second SP in the following year, and she was a great experience and I have seen many times since, and we have become good friends. After that I had my first GFE Massage and it was great which then lead to many more GFE Massages, Now in my third year of hobbying, I have started to meet many more Cerb women and each experience seems to get better and better. I even had my first duo last week :). It was exceptional :) This is a summary of what I've learnt from being on Cerb and my experiences with Cerb women :). What I've learnt from the Cerb Community: - it is a community of caring Men and Women. - it is a source of useful information - is a source of recommended women that have had proven reputations. - it is a place where information can be asked and answered - it is a social community where members have helped each other in need. - it is a place where discussions can be debated. - There are senior members that give good advice to the Newbie's - Also thanks the CERB MOD, he has does a great job, keeping the board running and moderating the members and post. - without the Mod there would be no Cerb. What I have learnt from the Cerb Chat Room: - This is a great place to make friends and meet the other members. - I have spent hours in chat, talking to the men and women of Cerb. - Have met people from around Canada. - I have helped and been helped with other members. - Some night we have a lot of laughs. - Other nights meaningful discussions. What I have learnt from the Cerb Gentlemen: - They are here to help others with information about the industry - They are kind and thoughtful men and know how to show respect to the women of Cerb. - Established gentlemen are proven safe men for the Cerb Women. - Some of them have a great sense of humour. - They have come to the assistance of other members in need. - Without the gentlemen, there would be no Cerb. What I have learnt from Cerb Women: - They are kind and sexy women. - They except people for who they are , regardless of race or colour or size. - All they expect is for them to be clean, smell good and show them with respect. - Please respect their time and limitations. - Arrive on time with the proper donations. - No negotiation of donations. - If you can't make it please call to cancel. - It takes a special woman to be able to do this job. - The women who really enjoy this job and pleasing men give the best service. - Beauty and sexuality is shown from within the person. What I have learnt from myself: - When I started I was a shy man around women. - Now I have more confidence and have no problem being naked with strange women :) - I enjoy spending intimate time with Cerb women. - I enjoy chatting with learning about the real person. - I have become friends with several of the women and keep in contact with them. - Women seem to actually like me for some reason. - As with all meetings, YMMV, But I've learnt to be a gentleman and have in general received better services then I expected :) - Always please the women first, and they will return the favour :) - As I always say, I'm a gentleman and the woman cum first :) Advice to Newbies: - Read the above facts :) - Respect the women. - Be a gentleman. - Women with recommendations are a good choice, but in all cases YMMV. - Participate and become part of the Cerb Community. In closing. I love being on CERB, it has become a daily part of my life. and Thank you to all you women for being sexy, kind, beautiful and emotionally strong to be able to provide the services that you do. I am grateful for the exceptional times that I have spent with Cerb women, they know who they are :). And I hope to have many more great experiences. Gentlemen and women, let's hear what you have learnt from your experiences on Cerb.

"Hello, my name is CapitalC and I am a 'thanking addict' hehe as one who has not only been reprimanded by the mod.. but actually chastised by a few users.. I hear ya hehe still do it.. so the medication isn't working worth beans.... and I'm okay with that ;)

I'd recommend Larissa. She's incredible. My favorite to see when visiting Moncton.

I want to apologize for not having been very accomodating with session requests the last couple of days, I was fully booked on Friday and my Saturday got busy with personal commitments and then got booked in the evening but I'll be available the rest of today and tomorrow for those who stayed in town or may be visiting ;) I'm ElissaMarie, a young woman standing 5'1 tall and weighing 103 lbs. statistics that make my body well-proportioned and I'm very happy with it although one can always improve and staying healthy is very important to me so I work out, walk long distances, jog and do yoga. I have a carefree and friendly personality, I'm fun and sensual and always treat others with good manners and respect. Occupation: Companion (Among other things) Schedule: My schedule is flexible so if you are interested in meeting me please send me a message with the suitable time for you. Considerations: One Hour Session: $240 One Hour and a Half Session: $340 Two Hour Session: $450 This considerations are strictly for time and companionship. Contact Information: Website: http://www.mselissamarie.com Phone Number: 613-366-7651 (please only text messages through which we can arrange for a phone call) E-Mail: [email protected] Twitter: @MsElissaMarie Instagram: MsElissaMarie Skype: ms.elissamarie Flickr: mselissamarie You are welcome to PM me here although for a faster response an e-mail or a text message is recommended. Discussion About Time With Me: http://www.lyla.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=233708 Recommendation: http://www.lyla.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=234999 Hope to meet you soon!

Hello Gentlemen, My name is Sasha, I'm a young fit and playful MA who loves to massage and can do it for hours. My sensual massage will relieve your tension & leave you more than satisfied. I'm very fun, open minded and comfortable to be around so let's make this experience as enjoyable and naughty as your fantasies.. I'm petite 5'4, athletic 120 lbs, perky b34 bust, nice round booty, brunette, golden tan, seductive lips, exotic hazel eyes, 100% natural beauty.. Services: Non-rushed service Full body massage Reverse massage Slippery body slides reverse body slides Shower for 2 Hot tub fun Relaxing MUSIC Fresh towels & linens Interactive Duos Some fetishes Join me for some hot steamy fun an experience to never forget, come have the very best! Call Paradise: 613-820-8887 Available today til 9pm! Today at Angels: 10am-9pm Recommendations: http://www.lyla.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?ltr=S&t=146238 Classified Ads: https://www.lyla.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=299

Like most others I have not gone completely digital. I am a bit of a collector of books so I think it will be a while before I go for books as I enjoy having a good hardcover book to read. In terms of music I have gone mostly digital since I don't want to carry a CD player when I'm out and my current car doesn't have a CD player in it - the assumption seems to be music will be streamed over Bluetooth (I like the fact it clears up the clutter from having CD's in the car). I still buy DVD's and BluRay again as a bit of a collector there are many movies and TV shows I'd prefer to keep on a physical medium since steaming services remove content. However with iTunes and Netflix I am definitely buying fewer DVD's and BluRay (often I would buy if I though they'd be interesting but seeing that I only watched some discs only periodically I've been gravitating to streaming if I felt it was only an occasional watch. The bonus I find with digital is that there is more content that is more easily obtained.

Think of the need for intimacy not as a need like air or water, but as a human drive that -- generally speaking -- most humans crave or require to be fully content. I would put it on a similar level with our drive to socialize. Even most introverts occasionally want to interact or spend time with others, and those with no social circle tend to be unhappy. Or compare it to the impulse to get out into nature, even if it's just to walk through a park or feel the warm sun on your skin for a stroll. Who hasn't noticed that the longer they're shut up inside during cold, dark stretches affects their mood and well-being? Another example would be the desire to experience art, music, culture, or even pulp entertainment. A person can physically live in a dark a cellar by themselves and no belongings, but you can see how they'd say the sun and company and things to engage with are "needs." Simply put, there's a reason solitary confinement is considered such a severe punishment! Of course, not everyone is the same or going to crave these sorts of things--intimacy or just pure physical sex included--to the same level. Indeed, plenty of people are perfectly content without one or more of the things I've listed. But when we say that companionship and touch are needs, I believe most of us are putting them at this sort of level.

I haven't gone wholly digital. While i have gotten rid of several books i knew i'd no longer read, i've kept several textbooks and interesting editions (including now copies that are no longer printed) of books i like to read and re-read on my bookshelf. I did go digital for music - i've had several hundred cps i've gotten rid of in the past, save for a few good recordings and hard to find copies. The same applied for movies; i've only kept movies i know i'm not likely to find on mediums like iTunes or on demand tv.

Definitely miss Michelle_MA - saw her many times over the years at various Spas and when she was independent - beautiful lady. Also miss Mandy - amazing kisser and very sexy lady. And had many great sessions with Gina - being a tall guy I loved her tall sexy body! From the past I am sure a few of you remember the Luv Sisters (they weren't really sisters, just friends) from Montreal. They were very sexy, beautiful and a lot of fun - especially in duos!

I'm having coffee in my backyard with my robe and nothing on underneath! The boys are hanging and the little guy is taking in all the fresh chilly air at semi-attention.

I remember foundly lonna lux. I've met with her for a couple of years, seen her trough 3 name changes, she was a real gem. I really miss my time with this goddess.

a few today :) - all my domestic chores are done - in time for my trip - meals today stayed down (after a week of noooot feeling good) - received a lovely note from a special far away friend <grin> - secured transportation from my week-long trip (starting monday) to another event *immediately* afterward! YAY! all in all, another grrrreat day in the den ;)

I am fairly informed on a few different religions, my good man <grin> and know full well the ceremonies we see today came about far later.. and that most were wonderfully simple parties.. guests eating enjoying music/food.. while the new couple went and consummated their relationship....later rejoining the festivities as a united couple. Pagan/Wiccan ceremonies, called hand-fastings, are still much the same way, and are *so much fun* I perrrsonally have been to a few and officiated a couple of them as well :) (maaany layers to this cat hehe) and.. just as an interesting fyi.. on hand-fastings and those types of ceremonies.. the ring that was exchanged (if there was one) was actually 'cut' so it was not 'complete'... the couple were joined for one year.. and at the end of that year.. they were asked if they wished the union to continue.. if they did.. the ring was sealed.. and a 'binding' ceremony took place. If not.. they parted ways amicably.... strange, but true ;) as to not ever having any intimacy in a relationship, as a provider, that is something I see a sadly large amount of... and am always honored to be the recipient of one's attentions.. as much ass I am to offer it... something so terribly, amazingly vulnerable about that.. I cannot resist.. and as much as I do enjoy being a bit of a 'bad@ss' <grin>... it really brings out the tender side of me... It's also something that, as a provider.. I too miss on occasion.. as I am a single cat. And being the wonderful gent you are @StillOpensDoors.. I would not ever be surprised at you making connections.. no matter the scenario :) *as a side note to my Genesis input hehe.. I had attended a Bible study group.. for my own knowledge... and it was explained that 'taking her' did indeed mean had s3x with her - took me arguing a bit with them to get them to admit it.. but.. hehe .. yeah... ;) =P _______________________

I am completely comfortable with $200/h (I don't do hh sessions) for SPs. I don't think I've ever gone over that because, to me, $200/h feels like it's still fun money. As soon as I go over that amount (because I do like to make multiple visits; MAs, too) I have to consider the "hit" too much. Over $200 would make cause me to make less visits, thus hurting the industry. BUT, you can, of course, set your own prices. Also, $200 > $0.

She came from North-Eastern region of China. She speaks perfect Mandarin.

I realise being a provider and posting in here I may get flak... but I'm ok with that hehe *if* a person is post op.. and physically *is* female (or other way around I suppose) what is there to 'disclose'? If they have not got the surgery then h3ll yes they should hehe ...could easily cater to an entire clientele who are actually interested in seeing someone who is 'both' s3xes (at least anatomically hehe.....unless they don't actually plan on meeting anyone ;) *to avoid getting flagged... they could just use acronyms or something.. but I found (used to advertise on CL myself) *any* ad of that nature.. mine included... were flagged/removed all the time..a few times a day *sigh* likely from other providers who didn't want the competition ;)

celebacy is certainly *not* a 'natural' state.. not for any creature/mammal actually. And it is a long-proven medical fact that sex/sexual release is a 'need' and not always a 'want'.... the build-up of tension, stress et al... is physically/mentally, emotionally draining.. and with the release.. comes the euphoria and relaxation that is also a *need* in order to function properly. There is a massive chemical release/change when one either has s3x or masturbates.. and acts as literally a 'reset button' for your whole being....that is helpful physically as well as an incredible amount of other things.... so even if there were no more women on the planet.. yes, my dear boy...<grin> you would in fact, become h0rny again.. and again......<grin>.. and again.. you'd just handle it differently hehe As far as the priests.. yeah.. I have long been of the opinion that forcing someone into celibacy is yet another form of instilling guilt...(no offence of course)... because you are definitely going to fail.... no matter how you chose to deal with it... being human, it is almost impossible to go your entire life without any form of that sort of release. .....even if you are not conscious of it... you actually *have* 0rgasmed in your sleep.. several times before the age of 10... again.. it's a form of release that is muchly needed. And when you think about all the things a body/mind/psych goes through from age 0 to 10.. hehe it's no wonder we need some help lol Although not many mammals have s3x purely for the sake of enjoyment.... as it is largely for procreation.. it will always be a 'need' in some form or another. Quite frankly, I myself go sort of batsh1t crazy if I go a few days with no sort of release. If a person can't sleep, or is feeling particularly stressed/tense... chances are, a little 'solo time' can relieve that... as can a lovely session with a parrrtner <wink> hehe whether 'married' or not ;) ... 'marriage' to me, has been turned into something so commercial (much like almost everything else unfortunately..*sigh*....) I have never required a piece of paper to validate a relationship.... and still find it humorous/sad that *one* religion made that soooo important.. when, if they were to *actually* read the bible...(old testament) it says (and I cannot recall the chapter/verse) "...and he took her into his cave.. and made her his wife".... hehe wonder what they were doing in there? signing legally-binding marriage documents...? playing a rousing game of Parcheesi perrrrhaps...? naaah.. they were having seeeex! ;)

I believe that sex is a need not a want. In a very basic way we need sex to survive as a species, we all come from sex. It is a need just like breathing and eating, granted we can survive way longer without sex than oxygen. You may not die from not having sex but I think that for many people not having sexual release or intimate physical contact with another person would negatively affect them. Celibacy is not a natural state for humans. Catholic priest have struggled with this. I'm pretty sure that all priests that have had sex with young boys knew very well that what they were doing was wrong at many levels but the urges were too strong. I know that we are talking about sex not masturbation here but I sometimes read the no fapping thread on Reddit. I can't understand why (mostly) young men would take on the challenge to not masturbate. For many they can do it for 6-7 days then can't take it anymore and feel awful that they have failed. Start again and fail again. Not sure how good that it for self esteem. Of course you'd be horny even if there were no women in the world. Heterosexual men in prisons have no contact with women and engage in sex with other inmates. They probably would never have considered sex with a man in the outside world but prison doesn't take away the need for sex or physical contact. So if no women were around men would never wake up with "morning wood"? That would be sad! ;) On a side note, you make many reference to men, I get it, you're a guy but don't forget that women are sexual too. :) We get horny, we masturbate and we want sex because we are human.

I always contract in advance for the number of songs. When we hit that limit, they always stop or ask to go further. I've never had a problem in ANY club using that method.

I have been to Pigales about a dozen times over the past two years and have never been ripped off by any of the ladies. I like to confirm with the dancer that we have the same count a few times during a session. Maybe this helps to avoid disagreements about number of dances.

I have the attention span of a gnat and quite frankly just quickly gazed at the responses. My two cents....if we could all just accept that sex is sex and love is love we would all be a lot happier! To me, if an emotional attachment is created, then it's cheating. Purely physical encounters mean nothing in the grand scheme of things!

Although at first I was the only one visiting her we do now see her (and her male partner) on a fairly regular basis. It was not part of the original plan but we both enjoy it very much. I quite enjoy seeing my husband with her and because I know the boundaries that come with seeing an escort, I'm not at all worried that this will go further. She is not a threat to my relationship with my husband because it is purely physical and not emotional. I love when he tells me how good it felt or how sexy he finds her. Keeping a sex life active and fresh after many years is one of the toughest things to do in a relationship... Seeing them actually helps us keep it fresh. It may seem odd or even completely baffling to some but I feel emotionally closer to my husband after he has been with her. You may be young but you've made me think about things ;). I've never really thought about it but I'm not sure that in all cases seeing an escort is infidelity. Some men are lazy at working on their marriage, 3 hockey leagues a week and not doing your family chores is not conducive to maintaining a healthy sex life with a tired partner. Those men may complain that "the wife" doesn't like sex or that the worse thing for a sex life is marriage when in reality they just need to step up, do their share and be there. I would have far less sympathy if that man decided to see an escort. But I also happen to believe that in a marriage there is a reasonable expectation that sex will be a part of the equation. There are many very good, loving and caring husbands out there that are not getting what they need sex wise from their wives. I know many women in their 40s and 50s that have lost interest in sex. It almost becomes a chore. It is no longer important to them. Having different sex drives is quite hard on a relationship as it can easily lead to frustration and resentment. Also, what if a man had a particular "thing" he really wants to try but knows that his wife wants nothing to do with that. He brings it up casually and quickly realizes that she thinks that it's not "normal", or it's gross. This can easily start consuming this man's thoughts. This is what was happening to me. I kept thinking about being with a woman and it was always on my mind. I'm not sure that in these cases seeing an escort is infidelity. Perhaps getting his physical needs met elsewhere makes him more happy on the home front. Sex and love are 2 very different things. You're right that human are fallible and the lines can get murky. I guess I've never really thought about it for myself. To me it is very very clear in my head. Seeing an escort is never about love. Of course because we are not emotionless robots I do care for her and I hope she is happy in her work life and personal life. I think that if a person seeing an escort develops more feelings they should probably step back and reevaluate the situation.

Flicking the bean is an art and best accompanied by a friend ;)

Love and sex are two very different things. It's easy to judge from the perspective of a single 23 year old, (trust me I was there), but until you walk a mile (or 20 plus years) in someone elses shoes, be careful with the finger pointing ;) . Needs change and so do people. We do what we have to, to get by and live a balanced life, while maintaining balance around us.

In my case it's a bit different than others on this board. I'm a woman seeing a female escort. I discovered in my 40s that I wanted to experience being with a woman. I have no desire to be in love with a woman but I wanted to experience sex with a woman. I've been with my husband for almost 30 years and I'm still very much in love with him but obviously he wasn't able to satisfy the curiosity I had to be with a woman! I tell him every time I go visit her. He is very happy that I'm fulfilling this need I have in a way that is not threatening to our relationship. He also very much enjoys when I tell him all the details after! Obviously every relationship is unique but what I do know is that every relationship is work. Work and family pressure, kids, aging parents. It all adds up. I'm pretty sure that many relationships have been saved by a man visiting an escort. Spouses can certainly remain in love and care very much for each other but have different views on the frequency or type of sex they want to have. In my view seeing an escort is better for the relationship than having an affair where emotions can develop, jealousy can cause problems. I'm not sure that the majority of women see it my way. At least not the women of my generation and older. Just my 2 cents!

Has anybody seen a lovely lady from London, Ontario named Annix or Alix this past week? She's only in town for a couple of weeks, August 26 was her first night. 5'7, incredible body, medium-length black hair, nose piercing in the septum area, wears glasses on the floor and has sparkles on her face. She has a wonderful personality that floored me. I hope to see her again on Friday night as she's amazing to talk to. Somebody gave her a tip just for her conversation skills at the table.

whole-heartedly agree... definitely fun/interesting to hear of fond memories.. but firmly believe their current whereabouts/job/perrrsonal lives should not enter into the conversation... they retire for a number of reasons.... and should be 'left in peace' so to speak ;)

It must be very nice to have good memories with ladies who are no longer working and to have a space to share them however, I don't see the point on giving information (whether of its confirmed or speculations) on what they do now, if they left town and personal things such as them becoming mothers when they may have shared that in confidence expecting for it to remain that way.

Regent has made very strong points. The license almost seems like a hook to get you listed in the system. A system that is against this industry. Also I wonder if it could lead to you having difficulty crossing the border by ending up on a list. I don't know but I wonder. From my perspective as a client concerned about my privacy and also that of the providers is to if at all possible so it away from your home A hotel room or rent another location. probably good if it is easy to terminate the location and move to a new one. If you get a bad client and can move to anothe hotel then you can easily avoid problems. Also you avoid the attention regular traffic could draw. In a hotel the guests in the other rooms change and people are coming and going all the time so it is easy to not seem out of the ordinary If you do receive guests to your home I would say you should really up your screening For me as a client I feel less worried going to a hotel than to an apartment.

my landlady knows I see clients in my apartment.. and has advised me that although she doesn't care... that if another tenant in the building had issue.. and reported it to the management company.. then I would.. in short.. be out on my @ss and she herself *may* get flack for not reporting me (if management figured out she knew ahead of the complaint) I am ridiculously discrete though.. especially about the prrrrivate den.... for mostly that reason... and if you were a licensed independent 'agency'... does that mean you would have others working for you? *that* would draw attention I would think...

Hi everyone, I'm new to this and i just wanted to double check before i see a girl. Has anyone with her? I heard there are so many fake girl out there. Here is her ad: http://ottawa.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/sexy-girl-big-boobs-out-call-long-brown-hair-115-lbs-5-6-feet-clean-shave-%EF%B8%8F/40940843 I found this online too: http://evilempire.com/819-918-2964 Let me know Thanks

Saw her this afternoon. Looks better in person if you can imagine and she's top drawer in all aspects of an SP date. Enjoy !!

Making pickles, pickles and more pickles. :)

I just can resist...what we offer is not something that is not required. It's a luxury that the i provide that the client decides that he/she is willing to indulge in.

I certainly don't think any lady should be pressured to change her rates. I can't imagine trying to negotiate for her time and applaud those that say doing so gets a guy immediately ignored. As you say, you know what your time is worth to you. I suspect you'll find that either the fellows telling you this are either exaggerating or the experience is very different. All that said, I also think it important not to assume that anyone charging less than you is doing so out of pressure or outdealing. Just like you are rightfully insulted if someone accuses you of asking too much...isn't it a little unfair to assume that someone who charges less "thinks so little of themselves". No doubt there's also someone out there who asks for a much higher amount than you. I imagine you wouldn't like that person telling you that you clearly don't think well of yourself. :) Anyway, I do agree it's a problem if ladies are being pressured to charge less than what they ask or think is right. I just think it's worth being a little careful not to automatically judge, as at the end of day, each lady has a right to run her life and business and time as she sees fit. Anyway, I know that wasn't your intent. To your question, I think your suspicion is right that those who respond to your donation amount by arguing others charge less are just trying to sway you. It's a shame you and other ladies have to deal with that nonsense! :(

Yes. She is 100% real and saved my lunch time yesterday. I had 1 provider blow me off and I happened to be near her location and she was available right away. Her service is pretty good. She asked what I wanted and I asked what she allowed. She said no kissing or ����. She provided ���� and ����. That's what I like. Very nice body as well.

NEW RULES ADDED Bumping Threads and Recommendations What is bumping? Please do not BUMP threads. Bumming is when you post a comment on a thread to BUMP it back to the top of the "New Threads" or the first page of that thread index. BUMPING RECOMMENDATIONS I have been ignoring thank you's posted on peoples recommendations where the thank you is placed within 24 hours of the post. Because this is too hard to police and explain to people I must ask that NO thank you's are posted on recommendations (As some people are abusing this and others see people post thank you's that were done within 24 hours and think it is ok to do). If you wish to thank someone for posting a recommendation that you started or that is about you please PM them a thank you (OR) you can post a thank you on the persons guestbook (Profile) but please DO NOT advertise on peoples guestbooks. BUMPING THREADS If you post something and do not get a reply DO NOT bump the thread to get it more attention or re-post it. Use the search feature as you will probably find the info you are looking for already covered. If it has been 6 months and no one replied you can post a NEW thread asking the same info (If no one replies again consider it a dead subject that no one has interest in discussing on the site. BUMPING ADVERTISEMENTS Q: Sometimes I bump my ads so I don't have to start a new thread. Is this okay? A: That is fine as long as you are following the "Only one advertisement post per 24 hour period" rule. Bumping a previous ad with updated information would be considered a advertisement post for that day. That is a good question so I will add it to the RULE. Guys are NOT permitted to ask the ladies to contact them! Guys. You can ask your fellow cerb members for advise such as "Does anyone know any 7 foot tall women in moncton?" but you can not post "Any ladies 7 feet tall in the moncton area please contact me" (This is considered advertising for ladies to contact you - and is not only lazy it is unacceptable). You can not post stuff like .... "I will be in town for tonight only can any lady who is available tonight email or pm me" (NOT ACCEPTABLE) "If anyone offers BBBJ in this city can you PM me to set up an appointment" (NOT ACCEPTABLE) etc.. etc.. Please DO NOT hijack threads! Hijack threads means you post a completely OFF TOPIC post and take control of the conversation that someone else started. Instead open a NEW thread and NEW TOPIC yourself. This includes posting on someone's ADVERTISING thread. If you are a competitor and you place a comment on someone's advertising thread that would be considered HIJACKING a thread.... and if you advertised yourself on someone else's advertising thread I am sure you will not make any friends. Q: I've commented on occasion on creative ads. I've never seen this as hijacking or bumping is it? A: It's more BUMPING then a Hijacking unless you are including an ADVERTISEMENT of your own (This includes your Signature). ** At this time that has not been a problem. Unless I get valid complaints about such things I will continue to allow that. If you were doing this to "Help" your friend out by bumping her ad to the top others will complain. Posting short comments to boost your post count Posting short comments such as "I didn't know that" and "wow, that is great" and "thanks, I like that" on threads when you are in the moderation period will clearly tip me off as to what your intentions are! Yes, this happens a lot and I catch them! I know these people are posting like this in order to get out of the moderation period (Either to look more creditable or maybe to post recommendations or some other slanderous thing - trying to get it to slip by) This does get noticed by me! I will then put these people on to my WATCH list as I suspect as soon as the moderation period is over they will post a SHILL recommendations or something bad on the site (Slanderous) Just want you all to know I watch for this and if you do this I will PULL your recommendation or posts that you make once out of the moderation period and I will remove the account (but also search the IP to see if I can pinpoint who is doing this) WHY NEW RULES?? I think we are all adults and can distinguish between right and wrong and fair and unfair. I only make rules when people abuse the site and when people bring valid complaints to me.

There's alot of garbage being layered onto certain sex workers in the industry. There's a dichotomy between the image of the put together worker, self-assured, autonomous, and in control...no mental health or self-esteem issues...acting as her own woman, strong as hell. And, then there's the worker with no business skills, not knowing her worth, with low self-esteem, willing to do God knows what with her body....drugged out, controlled by a pimp, and needing to be managed for her own good. Or, left to her own devices while the rest of "us" supposedly figure out what is 'truly' of benefit to our industry overall. And, then, there's statements being made about who has seen more of the 'exploited', 'messed-up', unfortunate 'ignorant' types', and how that allows one to make potentially more insightful judgement calls about the need to minimum pricing and regulatory measures....and the right to construct prostitute typologies I might add. The dichotomy (between the healthy, competent and knowing sex worker, and the screwed up, pimped druggie with no economic sense) and the prostitute typologizing are what I want to bite into here. And, I'll use personal narrative to illustrate some of these aspects, but keeping in mind the broader connections between our lives...that all of the pieces do not have to match up perfectly to provide insight....that personal stories can be applied in such a manner as to not blanket or overgeneralize a discussion, or over-personalize a debate to the point where discussion becomes impossible. These are the things I have in mind as I share. I started in this industry at 17 years old. The choices, as I experienced them, were tough and few and I was highly motivated to get out of poverty and an abusive living environment, which was obviously distressing. Within a year I found a decent agency manager to work for. I had very little business knowledge to start with: what to charge?, what was a fair cut to give to a manager?, what services to provide?, what services was I comfortable with providing?....how might my financial needs and motivations, my life immediate circumstances, trump some of these considerations over others? ...and, believe me, sometimes I have made choices that have left me feeling like shit....sometimes the choices didn't feel like fair choices....sometimes, I was layering on self-judgement that didn't need to be there about the choices...hmmm, I wonder where all of that judgement comes from? My earlier years in the industry allowed me to observe my manager and all of the tasks she carried out to run a business, many of which I was too busy to want to do myself, some of which I lacked the social and economic capital and personal organization to do, and others aspects I just needed time to think on if ever I wanted to become an independent (screening clients etc.). I experienced the work as exhausting, frustrating and stigmatizing at times, but also as stimulating and fun (always meeting new people, sharing stories, learning about the psychology of sex), and flexible in terms of how portable the work is, and being able to make larger amounts of money in shorter periods of time. In a relatively small Northern Ontario community, I gave a third of every hourly fee I made to my manager. At the time, the going rate for a bustling and established escort agency was $150 an hour. After I paid my agency fee, and my taxi fare (it was all outcall based), and based on the example of a one hour date, my take away without any other expenses considered (condoms, clothing, grooming etc.) was about $80. This is considerably less than I command now as someone who works independently, in another region, and a decade later. But, I was more than ok with those terms...accepted them and they worked just fine for me, and were highly preferable relative to the other work that was available to me at the time. Thinking back to that situation, if I could have finagled low overhead and the right incall setup, I could have charged $80 an hour and made out just as well or better (think no travel time to appointments), but goodness knows then I would have been labeled by others in the industry as a 'low end' ignoramus. Interesting. Long story short, sex work arose as a highly constrained AND also an ideal and flexible economic option for me. It took time, opportunities to connect with other workers, and reading related literature (not easy to find at the time) for me to begin to make sense of things....to carve out various options for myself, to politicize what it means to be a sex worker, and to challenge my own internalized assumptions about 'whores', while also challenging dominant social ideas about sex workers, both demonizing and infantilizing. The learning curve has been steep and complex. And, my life options, my formal education, my business savvy, my self-awareness, and my sexual development have evolved. Having made a foray back into the industry several months ago (after a long pause away, but still engaging in related activism all the while), I find myself in a different phase as a sexual labourer. I work for myself, set my own rates, and screen my own clients, and, over time, I've had more opportunities to become a part of the sex working community, to fight for our rights, and to benefit from the rich relationships it holds I also take time to remember the whole journey, the teenager that was me, and I have had moments where I've been struck by her ingenuity. Whatever I lacked in business or economic smarts, I made up for in volumes with the savvy that can only come with street smarts...off the cuff, quick thinking, and tremendous resourcefulness. Few people would take the time to fascinate over the narrative of socially and economically marginalized woman if she is working for pennies at the local Tim Horton's....with a Manager on her all the time like a fire breathing dragon...thankless customers, running her ass off, barely covering the rent, leaving little or no time for her to pursue, or dream about other life options. And, few would make so many qualifying remarks if she struggled in her sense of self, maybe even struggling with depression, or an intimate partner who abuses her physically, financially. Why? Because we gloss over that kind of marginalization: cuz she's working for the man, towing the line of normalcy....her purported "dysfunction" is a familiar, benign kind. [And, yes, I am gesturing at the role of internalized whore stigma in this thread masquerading as disinterested concern and professional rhetoric over industry standards.] So, why is it acceptable to make all kinds of qualifying remarks about sex workers who may charge less than others?....who may be following a business model that makes sense for them?...who may be working for a manager who takes a cut, maybe even an unfair cut of their earnings?...who may struggle in his or her sense of self. What about the role of decrim?...about upholding the legal rights of sex workers to switch managers or leave the industry without fear of retribution (providing legal recourse and a climate of social support for him/her to do so)....just one of a number of examples where we can make changes without fixating on the pathology of individual choice, or lack thereof. What about we make space for the understanding that there will always be sex workers who will never fit into the mould of the happy, healthy hooker, and to count these members of our community in as equally insightful and valuable. It's not too hard, considering that some of the biggest leaders in the sex workers rights movement are people who have been street involved, who are or who have been drug users, and, yes, trauma survivors. A number of these people, all women, are some of my closest friends and confidants. We do not all identity with the same struggles, with the same privileges and oppressions, or industry experiences, but we see each other as equals and colleagues nonetheless. It's also been mentioned that there are workers who really aren't wanting to do the work but have few other options. Let's fight for those increased options....while also recognizing that there are plenty of folks in the mainstream workforce who hate their shitty jobs, don't know how else they will pay their bills, and can't seem to get their foot in the door what with all of the nepotism out there. Let's advocate for their increased options too eh? When we dichotomize and qualify sex worker identity in the manner I've seen happen in this thread, there is tremendous erasure that occurs; erasure of the parts of ourselves, our private moments which are deemed unsavory, shameful, desperate; erasure of the ongoing vulnerabilities we experience in the industry(, because regardless of what we charge or where we work, we all experience a level of vulnerability); and erasure of the contributions of fellow sex workers who have and continue to fight for our rights. I love being a sex worker, and I see the work as skilled and honorable work (as my vocation), yet, sometimes, I still am left feeling like shit...sometimes I feel confused. I carry all of my life history with me, beautiful and ugly. But, hey, don't we all? Isn't this ok? What happens when, for some of us, it is not ok? ...what then is the role of totalizing statements about certain people's lives, their work?....does it not function as a mechanism for distancing?...for asserting a sense of personal entitlement and relative legitimacy? what happens when we resemble a stereotype?....what happens when we face the pain of resembling a stereotype? ...what happens to us when the person who resembles the stereotypes is held in our minds eye as a respected colleague?. Hmmm, what then?