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As a dancer I do offer prepaid sessions with my gents, I.E. Give me x amount I will stay in the champagne room with you for x time. This is because the club I started out dancing back in the day was a room for rent type deal. The guys had to rent their own champagne rooms , they were about the size of a living room with couches and they had one way glass, so you could see outside the room but people outside couldn't see in . The rooms were rented nightly (meaning the room was yours until the club closed at 4 am) and all your booze was included in the purchase. Gents would come in and rent their rooms, you could either go up and say hi, or a bouncer would come find you and tell you so-and-so is waiting for you in room x. I'd always charge them a flat rate, as it was easier to just to get a lump sum at the beginning and focus on the fun , much like escorting. Then we could drink and play and wouldnt have to worry about finding cash and credit cards when my gent is not in the proper state to search for such things. They liked it too because they weren't being charged by the song, and could relax and enjoy me. Im sure I lost a bit of $ doing this, but the time was much more enjoyable this way for both of us, and we didn't have to worry about keeping track of where we were dance wise. That being said, I'd never expect payment upfront for nothing and i certainly would never bully someone into giving it to me. There was the guy who handed me 200$ at the bar just being "the most beautiful woman I've ever seen", and when I asked him to go for dances, he winked , lifted his shot and with his New Jersey accent said " here's looking at you sweetheart" took the shot turned and left. I loved that club. I still offer this service while dancing, guys seem genuinely surprised as in Ottawa this seems to be an unheard of practice. As a client though, this is the only way I could see prepaying work, or if for example shes your regular lady, giving her a gift or saying "this is for next time". I have gents who do this, and they definitely get special treatment ( extra dances just slip in ;) and priority over others. They built a rep with me and I know they are looking out for me and my well-being therefore I make they are rewarded accordingly for their generosity. This lady, unless she's a total scammer, will remember what you did and you are probably on her "golden list" now. She probably wanted to dance for YOU specifically (yes we have favourites) that's why she was waiting for you and turning away other guests. Not saying what she did is right, or necessarily wrong, just uncommon practice. Certain gents get offers that others don't, they just have prove they are in that league. She gave you that opportunity, and you obliged. See how it pans out, you might be genuinely surprised...

If I may, (and I might be completely wrong here) I'd like to venture a guess and posit the following: It may be true that OP has a cache of regulars, or that he knows how to get in contact with reputable ladies which are 'new' to him. However, just 'knowing' that he is technically breaking the law is a bit of a downer, and takes a bit of the fun out of something which was once a carefree hobby. Many have said 'it's just not the same anymore', or something to that effect. As well, being on the wrong side of the law can really mess with your mind, and all sorts of negatives can creep in, even though the likelihood of them occurring are relatively slim. It's the 'what if's that really start to play on you, even if you're seeing someone reputable: "what if security or hotel staff are monitoring the hotel' or 'what if the text communication is intercepted by LE' or 'What if my nosy neighbour finds out' or 'what if the SP knocks on the wrong door' etc.. ad infinitum, ad nauseum. Again, as correctly stated in a previous post, we are not the prime targets, and no one is 'out to get us' so to speak. However, that nagging little voice that says 'you've got a lot to lose' makes a lot of people think twice. It's unfortunate, and I sincerely hope the new justice Minister will look into and repeal Bill C-36, for all our sakes. Just MHO.

I'm really sorry to hear about your situation. There are not always easy answers. The way I see it, you have four options. (Forgive me. I'm a list guy, but it is often helpful in clarifying things). 1. Celibacy: Not the most attractive solution to most of us, but a real option that many embrace and come to terms with. It has been said that it can even be liberating once you accept it. 2. The girlfriend. You have already dismissed this as an option as someone might get hurt (a real possibility) although there are those out there who might be ok with the situation if you were honest and upfront about it. That would be key. Finding them could be tricky. Keeping the 'right' amount of emotional distance could be even more so. 3. The hook up. Limit yourself to one night stand type situatons where there is no further expectation. Sadly not my strength but you may be better at it than me. ;) This may be an option, especially if you do go on frequent business trips. There are many websites geared toward this type of thing as well. 4. The sp. You have stated both moral oposition to breaking the law, as well as being concerned about the ramificatons of getting caught. Understandable of course. The morality of the hobby however, has not changed since a bunch of staunch conservitives decided to legislate the outdated values of their religious campaign contributors. I do however thoroughly understand (and worry about) the consequences of getting caught. It would be devistating for most of us. The good news is that you were fortunate enough to start this hobby in a safer time. You likely have a list of ladies that you know through experience to be safe, reliable and trustworthy. You don't have to venture into the unknown and take risks seeing someone new if you don't want to. None of the options are ideal of course. Number four seems the most reasonable to me, provided you do what you can to mitigate any risk. That is me however. Only you can decide which road you choose in the end. Good luck.

Hey guardian; I know it is not easy some times but after reading your experience let me share my approach to strip clubs. Go into the club with a plan and a cash limit in mind and stick to it. I try to set my own expectations by gathering intel on any ATFs that might be working (or not) that day. I only use cash and refuse to use the machine. Ok, I admit I have broken the rule but only a couple of times over the last few years. I have a couple of dancers I see regularly. One ATF I pay a fixed rate for about an hour of time that sometimes is only 55 mins but many times 10-20 mins over the hour depending upon circumstances and whether or not someone else might be waiting. The other dancer takes it for granted that I am committed to an established pattern/habit of 15 to 20 dances; which is the way more expensive way to go. She is young, and on one occasion after we shared many tequila shots she tried to take advantage of my amiable disposition to entice (almost bully) me to stay for more. This annoyed me as it dawned on me that she sees a large ��� stamped on my forehead. I got somewhat short/annoyed with her and she later apologized. We are still "friends" and I still pay lol. It is easy to forget sometimes as we tend to get lost in the moment and fall prey to our own (maybe delusional) fantasies and forget that it is "work" for the women, and although this may sound crass, many dancers use what ever tactic or approach on you to win your interest/loyalty to maximize profit. I realize this is a generalization and some do not target us for maximum profit but try to establish a "friendship" and what comes naturally usually happens over the long term. As long as we remind ourselves of this fact and keep the reins on our discretional funds that we put aside for SPs/MAs/Dancers, it is all good. If I have no intention of taking someone to the CR, or have other plans, I let them know within five minutes of conversation by either saying that "I am waiting for someone", "I have spent my quota for the evening", or "I am just enjoying a drink and I may look you up later". If an ATF (regular) is involved I tell her I don't have the time right now or I am tapped out tonight and I will likely see her the next time I am in the club. Bottom line is, you are the consumer; you have control; it is your hard earned cash and you should make the choices to ensure your time is enjoyable, fun and respectful for all parties involved.

Went to Barb's. Saw Phoenix.... :) (I think I said that before, maybe....)

Why let Stephen Harper and Peter Mackay who created these contradictory laws rule your life and your happiness? You have nothing to feel bad about. As most men who are members here, they look for the most reputable ladies and at the very least try to find legitimate intel on new ones. As long as no one is getting hurt or doing anything against their will, that's all that matters. Yes, the law is the law but bill C-36 is backwards in so many ways and just because a law is passed and registered on the books, it's between two consenting adults. It is gentlemen such as yourself that are actually doing a favor by seeing reputable and established ladies because we lost many of you fine gentlemen when this bill came into effect. Personally I have many great clients but many left the hobby for fear of a criminal record and didn't wait to stick around to see what would transpire in the early days of C-36. Perhaps leave your hobbying for when you travel and keep a safe distance when at home.

I'll just add sometimes the pursuit of happiness does involve some risk

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For MAs, Daisy at Angel's Touch and Rose and Tessa at Brass are all natural redheads. Hope at Brass has nice auburn hair as well. We're really quite blessed by so many great redheads.

I've watched Maria dance for a quite a while. He is small and lithe and always seemed aloof on stage. She is of Lebanese heritage, so has those giant eyes and gives out those smoky glances from that raised platform. So serious. One day last month, she approached me and we started talking. She is the complete opposite of that. We had a few drinks and I got to see that smile and hear her loud, sharp laugh. She was so into chatting that we kind of forgot about the time. She seemed genuinely interested in what I was saying. There was no rush on her part, and I eventually suggested spending time in the back. Her eyes danced and she smiled quite literally from ear to ear. She was into that as well. We talked until the next song started, and then she turned into that different person again. Incredibly sexy, grasping, grinding, stretching all over me, flexible, moaning in my ear. It works. Totally hot, sensuous, into it, dark eyes boring into your soul, soft hands exploring. So, to recap, a sensual cat when performing on stage or in the back. A real sweetie when chatting. I can't think of a reason NOT to spend time with this beautiful lady. She seems so sincerely thankful when you pay her, like she didn't earn every groat.

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Thanks, 9000 more please.

I certainly didn't intend to belittle that end of it in any way, and I'm very sorry if it came off that way. I understand the implications as well as any. (Even more than many.) I was merely stating my own choice of the only available options as I see them. I often find when you break things down into a list of the only available options, the choice becomes clearer. As with most crossroads in life, most of the options have a negative side. It's up to each of us to decide which road is best for us, and which we can or can not live with. Again, my best wishes backrubman. I hope you find some happiness again.

Congratulations (and big thanks!) to you, Nicolette, on 9,000 posts. Your views and insights are prolific and valued. This is incredible dedication, and I, for one, enjoy reading your contributions and have learned a lot from you.

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It happened to me many times, saw her post, PM and emailed her and get nothing. No reply. Not sure what's up with posting and not replyjng.

You definitely should... she's quite something.

I stopped by the check out the new location but I got there after 5pm and they were closed. At the time I didn't know they closed that early. I assume they are going with the "business" clientele because it is hard to get there before 5 and still have time for an appointment. Just my 2 cents. Some of the pictures on the website look really good! But you are paying extra for privacy and discretion.

As previously mentioned you can't go wrong with Naughty Natalie (Natalie Wood). She is a lovely and very sexy redhead.

Tricky... The gal I've been seeing lately has been satisfying my every dreams so well...the only thing I could say is my dream is to be able to see her more often... lol... but that might spoil it... perhaps its great because its a rare treats to be with her.

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Lets break all the rules and push the limits in a relaxing session of massage and pleasure. You will leave completely satisfied and you will come back again and again. Im waiting for some one to play, who's game?

This has always seemed to me to be the best way to approach things. Agree strongly with Reddog01's take on this issue. The pesky robo-editor is still at work on "circumstances" I see. Such a useful word, too. Guess I'll have to start using "situation".

politest thing I can say is " grow a backbone ! " you cannot be taken advantage of unless you allow it . I don't know what you believe is your relationship with this lady is but , it is obvious she doesn't feel the same mr. cashmachine . there is a thread on this board about respect and politeness , well that goes both ways .

That sounded rough. And I've had days like that where I pop in to a bar on a day and time when none of my "girlfriends" should be working, but then of course, they all are. On the prepaid angle, well... honestly. You didn't promise her ahead of time and she made the choice to pass up opportunities. In a situation like that, I'd offer her a shot and a promise of "next time". If by some twist of fate, I felt generous enough to hit the machine for her, why wait? You're already giving her money - you might as well have her give ya a dance for it. They're at work, and like any other 'retail' business, just because you're in the store doesn't necessarily mean you're there to buy something. You can window shop. You're allowed. Sent from my SGH-I747M using Tapatalk

As I mentioned in the Barb's thread, I had actually commented on noticing her way back in July 2015, though we hadn't personally met at that time. I must have been having a seriously bad day, not only to have missed the opportunity to get to know her, but then to have entirely forgotten about her, until her spectacular re-emergence into my conscious world last week! :).

I have been to the original location but not the new one. For those wondering about service fees, from my experience you'll end up paying at least double at toc compared to a BP visit. Prior to paying for a room, you'll get to see a selection of who's working at that time, then choose who you'd like to see and for how long.

I mentioned this in another thread, but years ago I had the good fortune to experience a women who was about twice my age. It was pretty clear cut that she was taking me home, and after some time together in a bubble tub, proceeded to use & abuse me in every manner until the sun came up. As a guy in his very-early twenties, this was hugely refreshing over the usual b/s mixed signals I was getting at the time from women my age. Today, now that I've "caught up" to that age of maturity, I can relive that memory of a young guy walking into a room with a gorgeous women ready to do terrible, magnificent things to me. Who wouldn't want to experience that fantasy?

I'll be away from work until Jan. 3rd. I will be back at that date. Kylie xox As I take some time off over the hollidays I would like to thank all the wonderful people I have met in 2016, you are and were all amazing. When I started on my own I was very unsure what would be in store and what kind of people I would meet. Well it all went very well, learned so much and experienced so many different people, and enjoyed each and every one of you in your own way. I have had some ups and downs, but mostly ups and loved all the experiences no matter. I will have new pics in 2017 to start another amazing year, also somewhat new other things hehe. So I wish all a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year and cannot wait to be seeing my dedicated and new people in 2017. Thank you all, Kylie Jane xo

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I had many massages in Ottawa, as well as in Brisbane, Australia and Wellington, New Zealand. Gina is by far my best experience. She is lovely, friendly, polite, respectful and attentive. I highly recommend her massage .. the walking and feet / leg maneuver on my back and legs were amazing! Having to have my head down while having my back and legs massaged, I wished she had a mirror so that I could have more time seeing her beautiful fit body. She does offer many irresistible options. I was very happy with my option and she finished by soaping me in the shower afterwards. I look forward to my next session and trying Gina's other options.

The lovely Blair Brass, with thanks and appreciation!

I absolutely love massaging a woman while doing very intimate stuff at the same time. Had sessions with SPs and dancers where its all that went on. I'm paying for her time and if she's ok with how I use that time and enjoys herself, its a win win.

I'm totally confused not only by this thread but the Cerb censor policy. Is there a list of censored words somewhere (so we know which words not to circumvent)? Is there a link to a specific & comprehensive set of new censorship rules somewhere?