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So here it is, post #10,000, and what better way to do it than to say thank you to everyone who has made my eight years on cerb/lyla so enjoyable and so rewarding. I've had some of the best times ever because of the connections I've made on this board, and the friends I've made, and the skills I've learned or improved. Awesome, all of you! I hope to keep posting for a long time, so keep enjoying those bums, abs, redheads, jean shorts, and of course my recommendations of you gorgeous and amazing women!

This thread is rapidly approaching 500,000 hits, and I'm approaching 10,000 posts on here, so I just wanted to say thanks again to everyone who makes this thread so much fun, and so useful!

Hi loves! I am primarily an escort, but I have been training in exotic and pole dancing for a little while now, and I believe it's time to start thinking about how to incorporate it into my services. I am just wondering who out there would be interested in such a service, whether it be a standalone dance, or an additional "intro" to my usual intimate encounters? Maybe bachelor/birthday parties? Or perhaps you have a suggestion for another way to advertise it? Looking forward to hearing your opinions! xoxo :tongue: Venus

If it's something you enjoy go for it Luv! I do when requested and sometimes it just happens depending on the guest, my mood and the encounter duration (not that, that really matters to me usually :icon_redface:) but I'm always dancing and have music on. I use to dance years ago and loved it and still love it!! From my experience whether it's been requested or not the gents have always been delighted. If you don't have a pole, don't buy the Carmen Electra one, it's JUNK. I threw it in the trash after using it once. My gal pal had bought an amazing professional pole from some place in Spryfield they don't need to be placed permanently, you just put it up and it's as secure as the ones at the strip clubs and take it down when you're done using it and it has a case that is around the size of a small duffle bag (very small carry bag) but I'm sure you can find a 100% professional pole online if you don't have one. You're thread is making me miss my wingman who moved away, we met on here became buddies and had a blast going to amateur night over at Ralph's. Funny thing is so many members were there that night as well but never came over to me but they all messaged the next day, saying "Lexy I saw you last night but you were not alone". I found that very respectful but that's the type of gentlemen you meet here. Go for it, I'd be so bold as to just do it without your guest being aware of what you're about to do. Nothing wrong with a sexy, seductive surprise!!

I'm sure this has been mentioned enough times...but omg! When you ask me for my rates and I give you several different rates please then do not ask me will I see you for what you have in your pocket...turn off

With your looks, reading poetry will do the trick! Anything else is gravie. Totally agree.

Agree with mikeyboy. HOT HOT HOT. Would definitely add to the encounter.

I think it's a great idea. ;) I like the idea of it as an "intro" or an add-on to the intimate encounter. It can be very sexy and set the mood for what is to come.

Hello Everyone, I'm Mia! Your Hot & Sexy Fully Independent Latina Beauty! You Can Check Out My New Website For More Information On My Rates & What I Offer: http://exclusivelymia.com & You Can Check Out Some Of My Awesome Recommendations: http://www.lyla.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=231699 I'm Available For All Your One-On-One Pleasures: Tuesday, (My Birthday!!) Februaury 28th 10am until 7pm! ****************************** As Well As: Wednesday, March 1st 7am until 7pm Thursday, March 2nd 7am until 7pm Friday, March 3rd 7am until 7pm & Saturday, March 4th 7am until 7pm!! *7am Is Only Available Through Pre-Booking* Rates These Rates Are For My Time In Massage Only - Refer To My Website $150 - 45 minutes $160 - 1 hour $210 - 75 minutes $260 - 1.5 hours $340 - 2 hours Longer sessions are available. ***** I'm a 29yr old, 5'4, 34C Exotic & Kinky Latina/Italian Beauty with Gorgeous Curves! I Give An Incredible Massage That Will Leave You Feeling Satisfied and Restored. ***** I Have A Rich Mane Of Long Dark Hair & Beautiful Naturally Bronzed Skin! Escape with me... My undivided attention, charm & absolute enthusiasm will have you coming back again and again! Allow me to fulfill your fantasies... **NOW INDEPENDENT** Available Privately For All Your Massage Pleasures! ********** ********** Please PM or email me at [email protected] To Reserve Our Time Together! Call or Text Me At 613-700-9834 Warm Hugs, Mia

I've had it happen and they were told off. Very rare situations indeed but it happens. Usually these type of people have no boundaries and think it's perfectly acceptable to do this for whatever reasons in their mind. Would it be perfectly acceptable for an SP to go to a client's house and randomly ring the doorbell? Or hang around their house outside wondering if they are home? No, of course not. I won't see these people again and they know why. The trust factor is long gone.

Got lucky at touch of class. Just climbed the stairs on a whim and was delighted to meet Kendra. YMMV but she is tall and dripping with sex! She got me through my February blues. Don't really like the location basically waiting for a raid the whole time. Would love to see her in a hotel setting.

Hi everyone, Anyone have any experience with this one? Adverstises on KIJIJI. http://www.kijiji.ca/v-health-beauty/ottawa/full-body-relaxation-massage/1242689233?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true

I heard from her last month when she was in Halifax. She's still around.

She was in Halifax in early January. I think she travels less in the winter though.

Jesse Celeste offers both and is very well equipped ;)

Just a little "slit" but still hot.

Esme Clarke's ad caught my eye and I started exchanging emails with her. From her description and emails, it wasn't hard to understand that she is intelligent, educated sweet girl. There wasn't any review of hers but my gut feeling was that I will be rewarded. Appointment was set smoothly to see her this evening for an hour (no HHs) in her downtown location. She was with me on the set time, and her smile is really cute and disarming, soft skin. She is a university student and holds decent conversation. We had wine, met like old friends - soon I realized that we have a common friend. Guess what Rosalie Seck who I had met year and half back. Lot of wild DFK ensued over music and body hugging. She offered massage but I was more keen to DFK and then the main course. Overall experience was quite sensual and she made every effort to please. I didn't want to leave and wished that I could just keep her for myself. Thanks to Esme for the lovely evening and I will be repeating for sure.

Congrats, Cato, on this very impressive landmark achievement!

GOOD EVENING, Let me introduce myself! My name is Jordan an experienced seductress from the Quebec region. I stand at 5'7 135 lbs fit and I have been told very good at what I do. I will be available on weekly basis in Ottawa and at BLISS. My first recco ;) http://www.lyla.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=248025 This week you can reserve your time Friday 11 am to 9 pm Sunday 10-8 To reserve please call 6136974829 or txt 613-902-3379

.....a touch of kink. Offering to discerning gentlemen, a touch of seduction, with layers of romance, intrigue and bliss. From a cozy night in to a night on the town, let's find that fire within you. Let's pull out all the stops with a night together indulging on the edge. Candlelight, romantic music, drinks and then ....... In the darkened room, candles glowing softly, music and sounds to heighten this amazing experience, and a whole world of new sensations to bring you to exhilaration. To experience these wonderful sensations, please contact me with the following: your name preferred method of contact amount of time you are seeking an introduction with a little bit about yourself Bookings can be placed by PM, or text me for more information. Please do read my website for information and choose your romance with me. Let the night unfold into pleasure. Will you leave me breathless?

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Good evening ladies and gents! While I have been a service provider for a little while now, I am quite new to the escort-related section of the internet. A little about me: Outside of this world I am a belly dancer and pole dancer, and I dabble a little in theatrics and performing. My dream is to become a burlesque showgirl! Anyway, I look forward to meeting you all and networking with you :) xoxo Venus Reign

Welcome back! As I have already stated but will repost what I've already posted.... "My latest/newest pictures posted on my profile/website are between 4-8 months old so they are certainly not years old or any of my albums dated with the year 2016 most of them are not a full 12 months old, now the ones that are dated prior to 2016 I have explained my reasoning behind that "The History of Lexy". Actually I have a huge variety of pictures, some are older and reason being is I get many many requests for certain outfits in those pictures that I still currently have and wear when requested but if you look at my profile and website the dates are on my pictures. My most recent albums posted on my profile/website were taken July 1st and October 10th of 2016. My most recent recommendation just on here alone was in January 2017. I do have a photo shoot at the end of this month so a new picture album will be available early March." It's nice that you've visited my website, thank you! If you would have visited my site, profile and checked the dates on my pictures before making such a comment regarding me and doing just that small bit of research you would have known and not made such an uninformed comment. As I've said as a long time member of this board and community since 2009, I am a highly trusted, reputable and very established companion. Additional Comments: The pictures in my current ads are all either from my 2016 albums and mainly July & October 2016 (5-8 months, all less than a year and I do re-take some pictures in the same outfits to show they are still available for requests). Just as an FYI: I've just taken some New Selfies February 26, 2017 and the album has been created on my profile here and also located on my website (clearly labelled and dated and less than 48hrs old!!....Oh My That is Awesome! :D)....Just a Taste Until My Mid March New Photos/Album is Available!!:icon_wink: Time to move on now, have fun, enjoy this community and discuss things that actually matter!! All the best, Lexy Grace (Lexy with a "Y"):icon_wink:

Hi guys :) I'm feeling under the weather and have decided not to make my trip this week. I think a good rest will fix me up and I'll be back next week! I've also booked a professional photographer to take updated pics of me on my next day back :) xoxo I've decided to amend my schedule to make up for the lost days together :) It is now as follows: AVAILABLE Monday Mar 6 - Friday Mar 10 UNTIL 10 AM @ CHECKOUT (IN/OUT) AVAILABLE Monday Mar 13 - Thursday Mar 16 UNTIL 10 AM @ CHECKOUT (IN/OUT) NOT AVAILABLE Monday Mar 20 - Sunday Mar 26 AVAILABLE Monday Mar 27 - Friday Mar 31 UNTIL 10 AM @ CHECKOUT (IN/OUT) NOT AVAILABLE Saturday April 1 - Monday April 17 You can view my original ad for this schedule here: (It includes all my other details and contact info!) http://www.lyla.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=247739 Non-Contagious Kisses, Christina <3 xoxo http://www.OfficialChristina4u.com (under construction) 902.229.4252 (my phone is off during non-available times) [email protected]

Hello Everyone, I'm Mia! Your Hot & Sexy Fully Independent Latina Beauty! You Can Check Out My New Website For More Information On My Rates & What I Offer: http://exclusivelymia.com & You Can Check Out Some Of My Awesome Recommendations: http://www.lyla.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=231699 I'm Available For All Your One-On-One Pleasures: Sunday, February 26th 8am until 6pm! ****************************** As Well As: Tuesday, (My Birthday!!) Februaury 28th 10am until 7pm Wednesday, March 1st 7am until 7pm Thursday, March 2nd 7am until 7pm Friday, March 3rd 7am until 7pm & Saturday, March 4th 7am until 7pm!! *7am Is Only Available Through Pre-Booking* Rates These Rates Are For My Time In Massage Only - Refer To My Website $150 - 45 minutes $160 - 1 hour $210 - 75 minutes $260 - 1.5 hours $340 - 2 hours Longer sessions are available. ***** I'm a 29yr old, 5'4, 34C Exotic & Kinky Latina/Italian Beauty with Gorgeous Curves! I Give An Incredible Massage That Will Leave You Feeling Satisfied and Restored. ***** I Have A Rich Mane Of Long Dark Hair & Beautiful Naturally Bronzed Skin! Escape with me... My undivided attention, charm & absolute enthusiasm will have you coming back again and again! Allow me to fulfill your fantasies... **NOW INDEPENDENT** Available Privately For All Your Massage Pleasures! ********** ********** Please PM or email me at [email protected] To Reserve Our Time Together! Call or Text Me At 613-700-9834 Warm Hugs, Mia

Thanks for the kind words- <3! but I think you're meant to put it here, http://www.lyla.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=246768&highlight=Daisy+dukes , as raven is alluding to.

I now offer a 80$ basic massage rate. This will allow you and I to meet and you will experience my finnese and quality massage that you've have always wanted to experience! But it also allows you to choose as little as you like or as much! You can choose your add on services before you arrive or we can go with the flow and see where it takes us. I do hope this will be the end of continuous back and forth and play by play, minute by minute enquiry. Now you can feel confident to visit and pay a basic rate, enjoy your massage and we can discuss together how we shall move forward. Here is my Spa add on services. ENTRANCE/MASSAGE RATE: $80.00 PICK ONE OR ALL ADD ON SERVICES: Topless: $20.00 Full Nude: $40.00 ( top and bottom) Hot stones $20.00 Tantric Touch: $40.00 Bedroom Cuddles ( 30 min duration): $100.00 Jacuzzi: 40.00 Each additional 30 min : $60.00 I am hoping this has the versatility to allow everyone with different wants/needs and budgets to enjoy all that I offer! I book Monday to Friday. If you require a Saturday booking you will need to pre arrange it before Thursday and secure it with a small fee via E-transfer. I prefer if you txt me first, then we will voice chat to arrange a time together. SEE YOU SOON! 506 261 7313

A real turn-off for me is those that don't actually read an ad to find out any information whatsoever. I'm available Wednesday to Saturday, for a reason. I'm available from 7pm-2am, unless someone books overnight in advance on those days. Why is it that guys seems to just ignore those pieces of information and just call when they feel like it? One guy was pissed off at me last night when I said I wasn't available, it was Tuesday and I work out of town. His reaction to my not being available when he wanted it? You look over used anyway :-( If I look 'overused' in my pictures then why in hell are you messaging me wanting so desperately to book with me? Read the information, book in the manner requested, and don't ask for times when the person clearly is not available. Needless to say, people like this just get blocked on my phone. Your loss buddy, not mine. I don't need clients like this. I'm thankful for the clients from Lyla, they at least read the information and are courteous. :-)

In the last few week, it's great to see that there is promising new talent on cerb and cool visitors !! To name a few: Jade Esme Talia Daisy I have seen the first three, all educated and A+. Naomi is coming from Toronto. Just that busy during her visit so will miss seeing her.

Lexy I have had someone do that to me yearss ago and I was so pissed off, my family was actually at my house luckily I answered the door but holy did I tell him about himself, I never heard from him again That is defiantly a big No No for me as well...omg!

I'm a member at a woodworking shop, and before we're allowed to touch anything, we have to take an orientation session. Maybe you should do the same. Fire exits, safety protocols, how to properly use the equipment, gear that must be worn, watch out for moving or pinching parts ... etc.

I guess I was wrong....I said I don't have many....but here I am posting after myself lol....I guess many is turning into more....I so hope not!!:icon_rolleyes: It is never appropriate or acceptable to just drop by a companions place uninvited EVER. Regardless if you have gifts. Send them by courier or bring them your next booking. That's if you get invited back after pulling a stunt like that. First time for everything at my new place I guess. Shaking my head hard, Shocked and quite Pissed all in one....

I have always allowed guests 19+ but I think I have to now change this. Anyone that I see 19+ I would obviously still see as I know them and I am comfortable seeing them with that age range and those with references but these new potential clients that I have encountered lately are timewasters, fake bookers and I just refuse to deal with the games. I understands nerves and immaturity but come on, WTF??? If you contact a companion to book and are to arrive and then play around, I have no time for that foolishness. Don't book and waste a ladies time when she could have booked a legit real client. I am low volume by choice and certainly not Walmart with a revolving door and only allow/invite a max of 2 guests per day to visit, if that. I will think for a few days and possibly up my visitor booking age restriction to possibly 24+ but anyone I currently see under that will not be under that restriction and are still welcomed to see me. I'm easy to talk and communicate with and I am open to hearing any potential clients concerns and work with them but gheeshhhh! I think a change is in the future with age restriction for new clients. I usually don't deal with this BS but I guess I was due! Sorry for the rant but I just had to let it out....

Yes this is her, I seen her the other day. tipping is 30 and 60 ontop of the massage.

Need to escape for a moment .. relaxation is deserved and I can make it happen .. 709-771-2707 call or text for a booking in my private upscale spa with me Hours of Operation is 8 am to 8 pm .. note : NO blocked or private calls answered or any calls after 8 pm .. a nice hot bath to get your muscles ready to have my talented hands knead away the knots from within or maybe use bamboo, muscle rollers, or various other items to help you feel better .. the room is at the exact temperature .. the lotion is real non scented and full of natures goodness to moisturize .. and let's give your feet, hands, scalp, and face needed attention from winters harsh abuse .. heck let's soak your feet in a heated foot spa and have a mini pedi .. I promise you an appointment like no other .. and there is more to learn and explore .. let's see where this adventure will take us .. maybe all the way .. xo Spa website http://www.softtouchspa4u.wix.com/e r o t i c or my personal website http://www.autumnraine4u.com

Was only at the Silver Dollar once a few years ago... while I enjoyed myself I was not all that impressed. The Brass Dance Pole would be an interesting addition to a ladies incall location though.. Just my Opinion Sent from my Passport using Tapatalk

There's alot of garbage being layered onto certain sex workers in the industry. There's a dichotomy between the image of the put together worker, self-assured, autonomous, and in control...no mental health or self-esteem issues...acting as her own woman, strong as hell. And, then there's the worker with no business skills, not knowing her worth, with low self-esteem, willing to do God knows what with her body....drugged out, controlled by a pimp, and needing to be managed for her own good. Or, left to her own devices while the rest of "us" supposedly figure out what is 'truly' of benefit to our industry overall. And, then, there's statements being made about who has seen more of the 'exploited', 'messed-up', unfortunate 'ignorant' types', and how that allows one to make potentially more insightful judgement calls about the need to minimum pricing and regulatory measures....and the right to construct prostitute typologies I might add. The dichotomy (between the healthy, competent and knowing sex worker, and the screwed up, pimped druggie with no economic sense) and the prostitute typologizing are what I want to bite into here. And, I'll use personal narrative to illustrate some of these aspects, but keeping in mind the broader connections between our lives...that all of the pieces do not have to match up perfectly to provide insight....that personal stories can be applied in such a manner as to not blanket or overgeneralize a discussion, or over-personalize a debate to the point where discussion becomes impossible. These are the things I have in mind as I share. I started in this industry at 17 years old. The choices, as I experienced them, were tough and few and I was highly motivated to get out of poverty and an abusive living environment, which was obviously distressing. Within a year I found a decent agency manager to work for. I had very little business knowledge to start with: what to charge?, what was a fair cut to give to a manager?, what services to provide?, what services was I comfortable with providing?....how might my financial needs and motivations, my life immediate circumstances, trump some of these considerations over others? ...and, believe me, sometimes I have made choices that have left me feeling like shit....sometimes the choices didn't feel like fair choices....sometimes, I was layering on self-judgement that didn't need to be there about the choices...hmmm, I wonder where all of that judgement comes from? My earlier years in the industry allowed me to observe my manager and all of the tasks she carried out to run a business, many of which I was too busy to want to do myself, some of which I lacked the social and economic capital and personal organization to do, and others aspects I just needed time to think on if ever I wanted to become an independent (screening clients etc.). I experienced the work as exhausting, frustrating and stigmatizing at times, but also as stimulating and fun (always meeting new people, sharing stories, learning about the psychology of sex), and flexible in terms of how portable the work is, and being able to make larger amounts of money in shorter periods of time. In a relatively small Northern Ontario community, I gave a third of every hourly fee I made to my manager. At the time, the going rate for a bustling and established escort agency was $150 an hour. After I paid my agency fee, and my taxi fare (it was all outcall based), and based on the example of a one hour date, my take away without any other expenses considered (condoms, clothing, grooming etc.) was about $80. This is considerably less than I command now as someone who works independently, in another region, and a decade later. But, I was more than ok with those terms...accepted them and they worked just fine for me, and were highly preferable relative to the other work that was available to me at the time. Thinking back to that situation, if I could have finagled low overhead and the right incall setup, I could have charged $80 an hour and made out just as well or better (think no travel time to appointments), but goodness knows then I would have been labeled by others in the industry as a 'low end' ignoramus. Interesting. Long story short, sex work arose as a highly constrained AND also an ideal and flexible economic option for me. It took time, opportunities to connect with other workers, and reading related literature (not easy to find at the time) for me to begin to make sense of things....to carve out various options for myself, to politicize what it means to be a sex worker, and to challenge my own internalized assumptions about 'whores', while also challenging dominant social ideas about sex workers, both demonizing and infantilizing. The learning curve has been steep and complex. And, my life options, my formal education, my business savvy, my self-awareness, and my sexual development have evolved. Having made a foray back into the industry several months ago (after a long pause away, but still engaging in related activism all the while), I find myself in a different phase as a sexual labourer. I work for myself, set my own rates, and screen my own clients, and, over time, I've had more opportunities to become a part of the sex working community, to fight for our rights, and to benefit from the rich relationships it holds I also take time to remember the whole journey, the teenager that was me, and I have had moments where I've been struck by her ingenuity. Whatever I lacked in business or economic smarts, I made up for in volumes with the savvy that can only come with street smarts...off the cuff, quick thinking, and tremendous resourcefulness. Few people would take the time to fascinate over the narrative of socially and economically marginalized woman if she is working for pennies at the local Tim Horton's....with a Manager on her all the time like a fire breathing dragon...thankless customers, running her ass off, barely covering the rent, leaving little or no time for her to pursue, or dream about other life options. And, few would make so many qualifying remarks if she struggled in her sense of self, maybe even struggling with depression, or an intimate partner who abuses her physically, financially. Why? Because we gloss over that kind of marginalization: cuz she's working for the man, towing the line of normalcy....her purported "dysfunction" is a familiar, benign kind. [And, yes, I am gesturing at the role of internalized whore stigma in this thread masquerading as disinterested concern and professional rhetoric over industry standards.] So, why is it acceptable to make all kinds of qualifying remarks about sex workers who may charge less than others?....who may be following a business model that makes sense for them?...who may be working for a manager who takes a cut, maybe even an unfair cut of their earnings?...who may struggle in his or her sense of self. What about the role of decrim?...about upholding the legal rights of sex workers to switch managers or leave the industry without fear of retribution (providing legal recourse and a climate of social support for him/her to do so)....just one of a number of examples where we can make changes without fixating on the pathology of individual choice, or lack thereof. What about we make space for the understanding that there will always be sex workers who will never fit into the mould of the happy, healthy hooker, and to count these members of our community in as equally insightful and valuable. It's not too hard, considering that some of the biggest leaders in the sex workers rights movement are people who have been street involved, who are or who have been drug users, and, yes, trauma survivors. A number of these people, all women, are some of my closest friends and confidants. We do not all identity with the same struggles, with the same privileges and oppressions, or industry experiences, but we see each other as equals and colleagues nonetheless. It's also been mentioned that there are workers who really aren't wanting to do the work but have few other options. Let's fight for those increased options....while also recognizing that there are plenty of folks in the mainstream workforce who hate their shitty jobs, don't know how else they will pay their bills, and can't seem to get their foot in the door what with all of the nepotism out there. Let's advocate for their increased options too eh? When we dichotomize and qualify sex worker identity in the manner I've seen happen in this thread, there is tremendous erasure that occurs; erasure of the parts of ourselves, our private moments which are deemed unsavory, shameful, desperate; erasure of the ongoing vulnerabilities we experience in the industry(, because regardless of what we charge or where we work, we all experience a level of vulnerability); and erasure of the contributions of fellow sex workers who have and continue to fight for our rights. I love being a sex worker, and I see the work as skilled and honorable work (as my vocation), yet, sometimes, I still am left feeling like shit...sometimes I feel confused. I carry all of my life history with me, beautiful and ugly. But, hey, don't we all? Isn't this ok? What happens when, for some of us, it is not ok? ...what then is the role of totalizing statements about certain people's lives, their work?....does it not function as a mechanism for distancing?...for asserting a sense of personal entitlement and relative legitimacy? what happens when we resemble a stereotype?....what happens when we face the pain of resembling a stereotype? ...what happens to us when the person who resembles the stereotypes is held in our minds eye as a respected colleague?. Hmmm, what then?

I also saw Yasmin recently. My impression was similar to that of the OP, though I would describe her more as a curvy GND than a spinner; her personality is very nice and sincere and she doesn't treat you like a number. She seems very level-headed. BBBJ skills are second to none with a slow and sensual technique. I would repeat. Yasmin works out of a condo shared with some other girls, and they all cooperate and from what I can tell they get along well, there's no pimp. They seem to be a bunch of nice well organized girls just putting themselves through school. Interesting footnote to this is that under the Nordic law this beneficial arrangement would make criminals out of the landlord providing the safe accomodation, the clients paying for the tuition, and I guess the girls too for keeping a bawdy house.

If a client refused to put the envelope down at the beginning of an encounter, I would ask him to leave. Someone holding money over my head for me to perform for them is not a way to make an encounter enjoyable. It would make me feel like he is playing power games. I ask my clients to put the money down before we take our clothes off. You get that out of the way, because do you want your girl worrying the whole time that you aren't going to pay her? It's something I hated at the spas too. THere it was standard to pay after, and guess what, there were a few men who enjoyed my service only to tell me after, 'OOPS, forgot my wallet! Don't worry, I'll come back'. Who wants to guess if they did? Stop comparing us to mechanics. Yeesh. If you are paying a woman to get naked for you, for her to perform intimate sexual acts for you, you give her the respect to pay her first. Do not power-trip and refuse to pay until she performs. I can't even believe someone would think this is acceptable.

Guys haven't been fooled into thinking this is the 'norm', this actually is the norm. It changes the dynamic when the sp is afraid she is providing the service to someone (new or regular) who may not pay her. I am not sure how that 'dynamic' is going to be a good thing. An sp who isn't going to provide certain services, isn't going to provide whether you prepay or post pay, and what are you going to do if you don't get what you believe she promised? Not pay the fee you agreed to pay when you made the appointment? Are you going to have her shout and berate you when you decide you aren't going to pay her what she told you was the rate before you made the appointment? Are you prepared for her to follow you out of the building, take down your license plate, and post your name, # and car on the internet because you ripped her off? or are you simply going to pay her the fee in full. And if you are going to do that at the end, why not just do it at the beginning, and get an sp who is not tense and afraid that she is going to be, yet again, ripped off? I wonder how you think you can get away with that, when someone is charging for her time, and you spent the time with her in full lol To me, the only sps who are ripped off are the ones who accept post pay, and the only guys who are going to rip off sps, look specifically for sps who take payment after. One of the worst things any reviewer can do to any sp, especially if she is new, is mention in the review that she takes post payment. The only exception that i find acceptable to sps who do a post payment method are sps who work in a spa, massage parlour, with others, because the client comes in knowing she has backup, the place has security cameras, and so on. I still think it is a bad idea, and mp attendants still get ripped off due to this sort of policy, but at least there is more than one vulnerable sp in the place with a client who has decided to not pay. Additional Comments: Not every business is like this business tho, and for that matter, many estimates from a mechanic, for example, rarely matches what you end up paying even tho the work done is the same work agreed upon lol. It doesn't matter if they take and put away the payment. It doesn't always matter what they said (or texted or emailed) prior to the booking. You are meeting a new sp, and assuming she did the booking, it might not be true, or it might be she doesn't connect you with the questions she answered before. She might be confusing you with the guy who didn't want DFK. So what you do is face to face prior to handing over the money, is go thru that list of things that got you to the door. Most sps in your area have a money for time set up, not a money for specific services set up, so if you get your time, there is no opening to ask for a rebate. If you don't get your time, or there was an extra charge to go from GFE to PSE (which I take from accompanied showers, DFK and toys could be the case), then you could ask for that amount back. If she doesn't upcharge for toy show, then no, there isn't any amount you can ask back because you have not been charged a particular specific fee for that. you see where I am going with this? Communication gets you to the door, but once you are inside that door with a new provider that you don't know how credible her promises were, you just run thru them again face to face minutes before sessions starts. She can't avoid not providing something, if she promises it directly to you, she can't be confused about who she is seeing who was asking to do more, and who asked to do less, for example.

First and foremost, YMMV is a factor in all encounters. And what is agreed to in a email or a PM is what she offers in her encounters and may be willing to do. Sometimes YMMV is spelled out in a lady's website, but sometimes it is implied. But most experienced in this lifestyle understand that an encounter with a lady, underlying all menu options she provides, is a YMMV factor. Yes, those menu options are services she provides. But not all the time and not to everyone. Example. DFK might be offered. But if you show up having bad breath, consider yourself lucky to even get a peck on the cheek. And no, she didn't break any promises IMHO. Or she might allow digits, but if you show up looking like you changed oil on your car, don't expect digits, and again, IMHO, she didn't break any promises Be realistic in your expectations too. A lady may offer MSOG. Me for example, at 52, one SOG I'm happy. But if I request MSOG and only get one SOG should I get a discount, no. A lady may have a long list of menu items offered but that doesn't mean each and every item can physically be done in one encounter And finally there is one other thing. You are not paying for services. You are paying for a lady's time. What happens during that time together is between two consenting adults. So understanding that, and the YMMV factor, the best option is to be a gentleman (including paying in full, good hygiene, showing up on time) and you'll find YMMV will have a positive meaning for you. And what happens between you two consenting adults will be something positive and memorable A rambling from a gentleman for who YMMV has been a positive term and has had positive and memorable encounters RG

The first thing to do is communicate well during the appointment. Maybe she's forgotten some of your favourite details. No problem; bring up the topic of the missing bits with a smile and a laugh, and guide her and the session on the course you had discussed. If you haven't established friendly, positive back-and-forth communication with your provider, then that's your first problem right there. Then again maybe there's some reason why, now that the moment is upon you both, she doesn't really feel comfortable following through. Again, communication during the session is key. Raise the subject in a friendly way to make sure she hasn't forgotten, and if she's not comfortable with X, work together to find another way to have fun that works for both of you. But ultimately, if all of your discussions to resolve the problem fail, then you need to remember that the contract between the client and provider is solely for time spent together in which things will probably happen, but there's never a guarantee. She's a human being, not a vending machine; your money gives you no claim over her body. So all of those details you discussed are requests, but there's never an ironclad guarantee they'll be fulfilled. If you ultimately aren't satisfied with a session, and your conversation with the provider hasn't resolved that to your satisfaction, then just don't go back. Chasing after your money with "but you didn't do X! Give me Y dollars back!" is crass and fruitless. And, last of all: don't compare sex work to other industries. The comparison is always misleading when it comes to these types of up-close human interactions. Your SP is not your mechanic.