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have you asked the manager or owner to look up the cameras of the club for you ? nuden will look up the camera, look at when she came see you , if you gave her a bill , and all the story it could have been easily resolved... no need to tarnish the club here with a warning post that they won t read, by telling them you re giving them a warning, when you're clearly NOT a simple phonecall, ask for the owner, tell the situation, he will come back to you with answers and IF the lady took your 20$, she will be gone you can be sure of that because they are honest people sorry to sound rude, but i defend my club . you state : " I could've persued it with management there but I thought if I posted the warning here for all to see and Nuden lost business because of it then Nuden management would wake up and have the problem addressed so I'm posting the warning here" that's rude, so you want us dancers to loose business too because of a simple situation that could be resolved with 2 minutes of your time? not impressed, i tought this was a positive board

I got my very first reco yesterday. You should have seen the smile on my face, I was teeming. In an industry that is so cut throat, and over saturated, having someone recommend you sets you up above the rest. Being fairly new to this industry, and having a reco after a month of very hard work, it feels good. I never thought that I would get one, I figured I would be bottom feeding for the rest of my career. It's nice to have your work be noticed. It gives the gentlemen who viewed me as a -maybe- a chance to have a second thought and an idea of what time spent with me is really like.

this thread has gone too far There's NO such rule as to keep our panties on stage NOR that rule has been relaxed in some bars, it hasnt The industry is already slow, do you realise you could make us loose curious guys coming to see us by spreading such false rumours about a new rule that doesnt exist sorry to sound harsh but someone needed to say something this discussion goes in way too much useless details and suppositions ... we HAVE to remove our panties. If you're not satisfyed you can go complain to the manager and the lady will be fined 20$ , and probably will never speak to you again , and tell all the other girls who complained and they will gang up against you and everytime you ll step foot in a club youll be known as "the panties complainer" end of story

That's how we roll. Unless there is a rule that specificly requires we drop'em. Then it gets freaky. Additional Comments: Agreed. Personally, stage plays almost no role in who I choose for the CR; panties or no panties. Aside from general attractiveness, conversation, personality and compatibility are far more important and that is decided at the table. I also often request that a dancer go slow when in the CR. I typically stay awhile and want to let the dancer know she can take her time and get comfortable with me. This creates a comfortable environment that benefits both parties and I've never had a problem with boundaries. Fiinally, I'm not saying the 'no panty ' guys are all creeps. H&K seems like a good guy who really likes strip clubs. I just think they are losing their minds at the thought of vagina and seriously losing perspective and consideration for the dancers. Now I'm off to prance in my tighty whities for guardian.

Congratulations and never say bottom feeder. Consider yourself the same as everyone else!!

I was fortunate to spend a delicious half hour with Ms Bunny today. Short but sweet. Maybe too short? But we're all busy people, and she can achieve a lot in a short space of time, that's for sure. She is tattooed, has purple hair, and is as hot as all get out. As sweet to the taste as she is on the eyes. She'll have you moaning uncontrollably as warm waves of sensation flow through your body. An experience you'll think about long after it's over. Not to mention a lovely and convenient downtown location. The best time you'll ever have on top of an alligator, that's for sure...

It happens to us all! During the holidays, they may not be financially able to, perhaps they have interest in someone else or maybe they are too busy....there really is no right or wrong answer there could be many reasons why no one is calling or has booked! All you can do is try to keep money put to the side for rainy days and keep a positive outlook...tomorrow is another day

It is important to know at this moment the majority of nude dancers entertain audience with nude stage dancing. Only at a couple of bars the nude part of dancing has been relaxed. Also there are a proportion of dancers who go extra ways to entertain patrons on stage but putting efforts and energy into their dances. I am suggesting that those sitting next or close to stage or even far from stage please reward those ladies (or even all who entertain you with nude dances) with a small ($5 or $10) bill on stage for her during or right after her stage dance. Doing so for a few selected dancers wouldn't cost much and since different patrons have different preferences then many dancers will be encouraged to perform best and rewarded as well and wouldn't regard stage dancing as a have to performed task or waste of their time. Just a suggestion. I have always had problems with ladies not being paid by the bars for stage dancing and totally understand their (some) reluctance and feel very bad for those not making money in the clubs. It is not fair to work and not been paid.

Again, a very nice visit to the Mate (Sunday evening). Quiet, but the charming Brandy and Ruby were gracing the joint, so off to Lapland. I will reiterate earlier kudos for these lovely gals- honest to a fault (I suggested I'd had three initial dances with Brandy, but she corrected me, only two), both simply a credit to the profession and our species. Was not fixated on mileage, more interested in a semblance of affection and human contact (No - I'm not married!), and was not disappointed. After a horrifying evening of gambling, this was a bet that came in. Shot a game with Brandy, and true to form when trying to impress a pretty girl with my pool skills, did my best Helen Keller impression!

You guys do realize that there has always been the 3 song rule in the champagne room? Many new dancers won't get completely naked until the third song. If a veteran dancer employs that tactic than I think I'd rather spend my hard earned money elsewhere. Strip clubs are increasingly becoming obsolete because quite frankly they just charge too much compared to SP and MA's. If they now refuse to strip....you know...at a strip club, then forget it.

By chance or gift of fortune:), I just ran into one of my favourite girls ever, someone I haven't seen in over a year. We exchanged contact information so I'm hoping we now stay in touch.

I think it was decided that kissing could be considered 'non-sexual' ('cause you can kiss your kids and your mother and it's definitely not sexual, lol.) It's because technically a person could advertise they sell sexual services legally, but according to the law any third party (like this website,) who allows them to advertise 'through' them said sexual services is breaking the law, just as those wishing to buy the legal and legally advertised sexual service would be breaking the law... That hurt my head a little just trying to think it out. Hopefully some logical and level headed Liberals will look at these convoluted and ridiculously useless laws and, at the very least, write something clear, understandable and constitutional.

Even though I'm not a SP (although I play one on TV - sorry, bad 80's humor), I may be able to chime in with info I know. I've spent many-a-night texting with a friend who works regularly (I would usually drive her home, so I needed to know when she was wrapping up for the night, etc.). We would text throughout the nights and I got a pretty good feel for the flow of clients/when it was slow, etc. I can't count how many nights she would be upset and want to go home early because nobody was booking or even texting. I've seen her go full nights with only one client....seen slow weeks, etc. But I've also seen really busy nights, where she would go home early cause the night was so good. I've seen nights that even shocked her (and she isn't new to the business), they were that good. First off.....I will say, do not, in any way, take it personally (even though that's probably pretty hard to do) - do not allow slow times to mess with your mental physique. I've seen your pics on this site and can say you are very hot (and I'm one who usually goes for the spinner type). You ooze a certain unobtainable sexuality (I see it come through in your pics) - YOU'RE fine, trust this...... Now, as for why there may be slow times.... 1. End/Start of the month - bill time = less spending money. In the same vein, you may see a slow-down around "spending times" ......like when school supplies are being bought or Christmas. 2. Concentration of competing ads due to time of year. For instance, this nicer weather is bringing out more girls, expecting more business. Summer is busier than winter, etc. 3. Quality of competing ads - sometimes there will be an influx of girls coming from out of town/new girls, which draws clients away from local girls. The guys really like trying something new sometimes.....which leads me to..... 4. This business (like the bar/restaurant business) is pretty circular. I used to own a couple bars and had the same feelings I think you are displaying. Why was the bar so dead this month....what are we doing wrong?? If you spend any regular time in bars downtown, you will see this pattern of highly busy....then a taper-off, then back to busy. People like change in their entertainment and tend to follow others.....if a bar is the hot spot, it's the hotspot because it's the hotspot. If it's dead, it's because it isn't known as the hotspot of the month and people walk in and end up leaving cause there is nobody there. This slightly transfers over to the escort world in the sense that there are just up and down times, depending on many factors like good/bad reviews, newness to the business, etc. If it's bad for you now, it will get better....and there will be down times again. :) 5. Location plays a factor too. If you use one location over and over that isn't the best in guys eyes, you may not see as much repeat business or if you book a hotel that is lower-end, etc. On the flip side, sometimes staying in a different spot/higher end place will comfort the client more so, bringing in more business. Sometimes, after a clients sees you in a "good" location, they may be more apt to visit in a less than stellar location the next time. Perceptions/familiarity play a role. 6. How much you work. Obviously, if you are available/advertise all the time, there is no "rush" to try and see you and you will tend to feel the effects of the circular pattern more. If you work, say, one or two days a month, those days WILL usually be busy. The escort I lived with only worked/advertised a couple days a month. In the days in-between, she would be contacted by a lot of regular clients....the odd time she would do an outcall, but didn't prefer outcalls. I've seen guys pay $100 more or even double the regular price to get to see her in the off weeks. A lot of the times, when she would go back to work, she had many clients already waiting for her return or even pre-booked. Unavailability is good sometimes, but not an attractive plan when things are slow, sadly - but it has to be done from time to time. 7. Ads and pics!!! Some men have the attention span of an after-dinner mint. Once they see your ad one time, they immediately form an opinion/choice in their head. So, every time they see that same ad, they think the same thing. If they get a positive opinion, you're set, but if you get bumped down to the "maybe" section or even the "no way" section, you are kinda stuck there. Adding new pics/different ad wording can sometimes shake it up and give those maybe/no way guys a chance to rethink things. If your current ad is working fine, don't mess with it too much - I've seen ads on Backpage that haven't change at all in years. Those things may help explain down times, and here are some solutions I've seen used..... 1. Changing pics/ads/posting more ads. I know on Backpage, if you use the free ad option, I don't think your ad shows up in the Gallery view, which is the most popular section guys will go to. If you go to the "Date" section (where free ads run), you will see how many more ads there are vs the Gallery view. I believe to put up a full ad is like 4-5 bucks and you will have to pay that amount again to bump it up/make another post....but you will be viewed by a lot more potential clients. I'll tell ya.....until I read that you worked, I thought you were just a girl who liked posting on Lyla.....I go on Backpage/Lyla a lot and never saw your ad (I usually use Gallery view on BP). I had to kinda dig a bit to find you. :) 2. Changing rates/services. This usually happens when things are slow/competitive. If you see one girl offering "$80 specials", usually more will pop up doing the same thing. Like in all commerce, people want deals and sometimes you have to offer them - but that is your choice. Also, you may see girls pop up that are offering services they didn't before. There is one girl on BP who doesn't look like she struggles to find clients, but lately she has been offering a service she didn't before and it's a rather big jump type service. Maybe she evolved to doing that in her personal life and has added it to the menu now that she is comfortable with it, or........ maybe she is adding it to trump up more business? Most girls are pretty set in what they offer though and it would take a major change/lack of business for them to deviate from that. It's an option though.... 3. Providing an excellent service/Communications. If you are offering a great service, sometimes, ya just gotta stick with it and hope word spreads......conversely, if you find things are realllllly slow, it could stem back to the quality of the visit for the guys (not saying this is the case with you - I have never seen you). Some providers are, well, just not that good at what they do and word spreads and they slowly lose clientele. In cases like this, an option is trying another city/travel to where you are not well-known and milk that areas as much as you can and move on (hey, it happens lol). Other than those things, I guess patience is your best recourse of action most of the time. You will have down weeks....even months, but if you provide a good service, visibly get yourself out there, are somewhat consistent and keep a good attitude, the good times will come. Heck, there will probably be times you will look back on this thread and say, "How was I ever that slow???". :) :) Hope any/some of that helps!

Over the last few weeks I have noticed many threads by punters stating things like: -Any info on ...? (OP) Added posts contain: Saw her last week. Pics are real. She was great, will repeat. -Original Post states: Saw this lady today. Nice location. She was really nice. Loved her ***. We had a great time. Will see her again. Why are punters not filling out proper recommendations? If you have visited someone who deserves a reco, why not fill one out about them? Certain cities are struggling to find recos in their area. Some of these discussion threads are from visiting providers and if you enjoyed seeing them they may not return because no one is aware they are worth seeing since there is no reco about them. Besides sharing info about the industry recos is the main reason why this site was created in the first place, to share your positive experiences about providers. Recos don't need to be a full page. (Unless you want to share more.) Make them just two or three sentences if you prefer. It just keeps record of worth-while providers. Community!

Aside from my daily yoga and running, having a day-job helps a lot, (especially if you don't have a lot of savings.) Having to rely solely on this business to stay fed and such can be really, really difficult.. especially if you end up in a situation where you need the money- but the person contacting you sounds less than safe/desirable. I've found that making sure you don't end up in a situation where you have to take additional risks to get by can help a lot in keeping yourself safe and sane.

Great post Leviathan. Very informative. All of this is news to me. I wasn't aware that there were different ads showing depending on how you sort them. Seems like sorting by "date" shows all of the ads, while sorting by "top" (the default) gives you less. Sorting by "gallery" gives even fewer still (presumably because they are paid ads if I understand you). I have always sorted by gallery because hey, I'm visual. I recognize photos and determine very quickly if it's an ad I've seen before. (A system Leviathan also alluded to.) I always assumed that all of the ads would be there regardless of how they were sorted. I know differently now but I doubt most people do. I assume most people view the way I did, which might explain your slow spell. Honestly I don't think I had ever seen your bp ads. (I would have remembered them ;) ) You may want to seek the advice of other sp's who use bp to fully understand the ins and outs of best ways to get your ad seen. It seems far more complicated than I would have thought. Good luck Melanie. Great first recco by the way. That aught to help.

Ya - if you search Melanie or Bunny right now, it will bring up one ad....from May 7th. That same ad also shows up in the "Date" view under May 7th. :)

She is legit based out of AB... I have never seen her but was going to book her while she was here but schedules didn't align.... I have read multiple reviews on another site that all say positive things... only thing I will say is that those pics have been around for a very long time and she is not 33... I remember seeing ads around 2010 with those same pics but no review I have ever read did any of the guys ever complain about it.

Hi there, thank you for checking my ad. You will not be disappointed with my A+++ massage... My name is Vivian. I'm 28 years old. Gorgeous, i am a classy looking Lady with long black hair, seductive cat eyes ...., beautiful silky soft, tanned skin. work out body with all the right curves in the right places. You have finally met your dream girl... .I great you at the door with a lovely smile then lead you to the massage room...I will start with a deep soothing tissue massage to relax all your muscles then follow with a soft touch to invigorate your whole body then the fun time ... It will be the most relaxing, creative and passionate session for you ever. So amazing that you cannot help yourself from thinking about it and want to come back for more ! http://www.lyla.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=92146 For relaxing massage $40/30m $50/45m $70/60m appointment only, call/text me at 6l3 7l2 l2OO mon to sat 10am to 7pm

Thank you, casey, for finding and posting the link to this thread. It is probably the most thoughtful and insightful thread I have ever read on this website.

Do you know of one in Ottawa where you can actually do this? I've used most of the bitcoin/instacoin atms in Ottawa and Hull and at none of them can you turn bitcoins back into CAD or any actual currency. My experience with them is they're good for using Backpage and they're usable with my site provider, (wordpress) aside from that and hoping they stay strong (bitcoins actually lost a lot this winter, on my wallet they're trading under $1100 now,) they're pretty much useless.

A lot of guys that just want to see a naked woman other than their wife or gf, and some are maybe willing to risk the ultra cologne on them after champagne room, but you can bet those guys wont be heading back to the topless only bars because it defeats the purpose of their mission to see a naked woman other than their wife. Not every guy wants to see an SP or MA, just an actual naked woman they aren't in a relationship with.

Listening to people, who know little or nothing about it, discuss and dissect a difficult interpersonal situation affecting others.

Bill C-36 passed on September 29, 2014 and since then the number of websites involving the E word that the police have cracked down on equals ZERO! The police don't have the resources to deal with this idiotic bible thumper law the Conservatives brought in to please their base supporters. The Liberals are in power now and there is no political will to enforce this legislation. If the police were really going to do anything BP would be long gone by now. The only thing the police will ever enforce is street level activities and this is because the people who live in those areas complain to the police about it (and rightly so). People need to abide by the rules of this website, so listen to Parker. Just my 2 cents about this legislation and its consequences.

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I was trying to find someone new to see and have found a gorgeous lady that was posting for that day. I send her a text describing myself and what I was looking for as availability, she replied and told me all was fine and gave me the address and then I did not get anything else until I showed up and texted her. She is now asking for a deposit to secure our time, I tell her that I'm in the lobby and I'm ready. She says not before I give her the deposit. So i ask her if she is available or not, she says that she is, so what is the problem here? She says she will not book me until I send her money, I told her to give me the room # and I would give the money in her hand if she wants(I had the money in an envelope). After she started to argue with me I simply wished her a good rest of the day and weekend. I'm always nervous to give out money over the internet without having proof of what I will get in return(or not get for that matter) Another reason I do not wish to give out money that way is a paper trail(proof) and that my wife would find out and ask the W5.

Today I bought a big canvas for a new painting that I want to do... 30 inches by 40... I want to try something more challenging.... and big.

It was a quiet afternoon at Barbs as I was expecting (because of rain likely). I recognized the following dancers: Harley, Juice, Natasha, Joy, Jenna and two other ladies. About half a dozen to a dozen patrons. I had dances with Harley (already reviewed in a separate thread especially for her) and another lady who I used to take dances 2 years ago (Juice) a lovely young blonde late 20's or early 30's not sure and we chatted for a long while about various subjects before heading to Champagne room. Juice has a very fair skin (well she is a natural blonde) and very soft natural blonde hair and is quite intelligent. I found her compatible as she loves Hugs and Kisses. Both Harley and Juice gave very entertaining dances on stage even though it was very quiet and I felt that they deserved to be rewarded with private dances. Both dancers I spoke to also commented about lack of business recently so gentlemen please drop by this heaven and support the angels. The food (from upstairs) however is getting worse by day. I used to order from upstairs but will not anymore. I ordered stake last time (because Cheese burger was becoming like leather gloves) and it tasted nothing like stake and pizza this time (in which pepperoni was half burned and tasted awful). There were stage dancing with fair frequencies (having short breaks). All except one dancer entertained the patrons with nude dances on the stage.

Hunh? I think you need to go back and read your own posts. You not only specified policies, you clarified the type of policy. Popularity?! I almost never post and I posted against a clear majority. I couldn't care less about popularity, just found this thread particularly misguided and decided to speak up. You're pretty terrible at analogies and I think you missed some very clear and basic points. I'm sorry if my response upset you, but I think you need to give it all a little more thought.

Ya i am a barefoot tippy toe gal unless a request is made lol. Spent many years in the corporate world wearing heels. Now, whenever possible i am barefoot!!! Stiĺl own some killer heels though.

Been admiring Angel from the Brass Club for a while. She has great pictures and has been advertised as a Megan Fox look alike. A couple of weeks ago when I was at the Brass Club with another girl. This beautiful girl was going thru the hallway and stopped and waved at me. I thought it was someone else, but the girl I was with told me that it was Angel. Well later that evening when I was on Twitter I sent her a message saying who I was. And she replied that she thought I was handsome :) Since then we have twittered each other. I was told that she gave a RMT type massage, but that she did not kiss. That was a bit disappointing as I usually would not see a girl that did not like to kiss or cuddle. But one day she posted her face for a day on twitter and I thought she was gorgeous, better then Megan :) So I decided to see her in person one day. We have been teasing each other on twitter for a while. Yesterday I saw she was available so I booked her for my regular noon appointment. When I got to the club, the beautiful Jessica greeted me with a hug and kiss and lead me to one of the larger rooms with the double tables. We had a few minutes to chat and catch up on our lives as we had not had time to chat for a while. A few minutes later Angel entered the room. Now she is a very petite beautiful spinner. she had her hair down like I had requested. She did look a bit like Megan Fox, but I think she is more beautiful and has very sexy eyes. She also had luscious full lips. Too bad she didn't kiss :(. Well we sat and chatted for a while, about our pet collections. She loves animals like I do. But it ended up that my zoo was much larger then hers lol. Soon we started the showers and I undressed her. She is very slim but has nice natural breast and nice buns. Perfectly proportional for her size. We cleaned each other very nicely. And went back to the table where she gave me a nice firm RMT style massage as I requested. Then she asked if I wanted to give her a massage. I said yes and began massaging her very sexy body. She said that I was pretty good. Then it was my turn to get my massage on the front. This is where she is very skilled. Reverse massage was offered. and I had a nice view of her perfect bum. Mutual pleasure was allowed. I gave her Jello legs :) Her finish was very long and teasing. She seems to enjoy looking at herself and me in the large mirror next to us. I also enjoyed watching her in the mirror. She left me with a toe curling finish and I spent a few minutes quivering and twitching :). Then we took a quick shower to clean up and then chatted for a while. She is not a clock watcher. We both enjoyed our time together. And had many things to chat about. She enjoys working at the Brass Club and is good at what she does. I enjoyed looking at her beautiful face and body when she sat on me to massage my front. She told me she had a lot of regulars. I can see why. Now you are going to have to see for yourself. Now if I could only I could get a kiss from those lips :)

I can't say I have done an exhaustive or even representative sampling but I know I loose all track of time when Jessy Celeste's lips entice mine. She can and does express many different emotions through this delightful contact.

I think Lady Sophia feels differently. As well, I know for one, if I want to masturbate there are far better things for me to masturbate to like porn movies or clips (free all over the internet), porn mags and even Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Edition is better. IMO, if you masturbate over recommendations you're missing out on much better things to masturbate to. But hey, who am I to judge... To each their own.

I read, use and highly appreciate recco's. Yes, of course YMMV. Not everyone is going to have the same experience. It does tell you that the girl is real, not a scammer, and gives some idea of the type of experience to expect. I also have gotten to know some of the posters tastes which gives the recco from them more weight. There are a few members who I've learned to trust them when they give thumbs up, and that it's worth listening to. I have had many great experiences that I might not have if not for the recco of other members. I totally disagree with that statement. I'm here to find the good experiences. Not the bad ones. There are many sites that will help you find those. Not sure why you'd want to though. Just my thoughts

It also shows others that a provider has consistency in her standards. People always say to me " oh you have so many reco's already" but yes some are from long while ago and some new comers may think perhaps I have slipped in my caring ways. I too tire of the endless threads of "info..." cause there never seems to be feedback afterwords.

A recco does help a lot especially if you are new. Many years ago I was massage only and advertised in The Coast. One day some one asked me if it would be ok if he posted a Recco on Cerb. Not wanting to appear stupid I said , "sure". I had not idea what this was in the least. Then the phone started ringing and I was so busy I though I would have to expand and hire staff. Very perplexed but happy I wondered where all the people were coming from? The next time he visited he inquired if his recco helped . I then admitted I was very busy but had no idea what this Cerb was ? He explained and we laughed. I joined here in 2009 and I still remind him once in awhile that he "discovered" me . A recco is indeed subjective but can point the right people in the right direction.

I myself appreciate when someone leaves a reco especially if they enjoyed their time spent with me Not only does it help me it also helps other gentlemen when seeking a legit lady you don't have to get into every little explicit detail but ... your overall experience is enough!

Posting bad dates/phone numbers is prohibited in the public forum. Contact the mod to gain access to the SP area. Your posting history qualifies you to gain entrance to this area. While it's great to keep SPs informed of bad dates or no shows, your current customers may see this as a lack of discretion on your part. It would be advisable to delete these numbers and ask to gain access to the SP only forum where it is completely private. Discretion is everything in this business.

Always happy to jump in on these discussions.:) I like spinners, so here's my list. In no particular order, babes I've seen and who are still active: (This doesn't include everybody who should be acknowledged here...) Massage Blair Brass Harmony Brass Britney Brass Jackie Gilcrest Sadie Banks Sassy Cassie Victoriascrt Robyn Kelly CMJ Daniella CMJ sp's Jade613 (Most of my other favs don't seem to be around much) Dancers @ Barb's Phoenix Ariel Bridgette Nicole Carmen

^There's nothing wrong with going up to a dancer and asking her to join you at your table instead of going right to the CR -- that way you can build that mental connection.

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Yes, it's a new thing. We have had a LARGE increase in new members trying to SHILL post recommendations (Mostly asian ads that are known bait and switchers) so I just made a minimum to post a rec... that stops the lame shill accounts and also gives some credibility to those who make it to 5+ posts and 5+ days. I may make a page that explains the moderation period more clearly and set it so that all new members are asked to read the page. I just don't have time right now to set that all up

shit, my personal SP has left town and I am really depressed. I feel the same as when a great relationship has ended. It's been a month and I still feel a loss. We were getting together for intimate times a few times a week for years. I am hesitant to get a new regular SP as I don't want to open myself up to this feeling again. I used to be of the mind that having a closer relationship with an SP was a good thing but I now think that subconsciously I was fooling myself as to what type of relationship we really had. I would like to hear from members(SPs too!) who have had longer term relations. thanks everyone.

I love the responses to this thread! The fact that there has been so much caring and thought put into the replies, shows the tenderness at hand. Many of you realize that I don?t really fit into the SP box that most think of when one pictures the role of the SP in someone?s life, so I have a bit of a different take on the emotional aspects in this realm. This post is long, and on the reread I can?t find anything to delete, so accept my apology in advance for the length of this conscious stream of thought that follows. That said, what I say here may or may not apply to any and all. Playing devil?s advocate, I would like to ask, what is wrong with a broken heart? In our society we shun the things that have been labeled painful or hurtful. What is missed is that true emotional growth only comes from the challenges that we call pain. Loving, in my opinion, is always a good thing, even when I know it is going to end. Emotionally, as a society we are closed off most of the time. We shield our personal lives from our work, and vice versa. We keep our friends at arm?s length and build walls to ensure that we don?t have to deal with anything ?painful?. The answer is that we are programmed from childhood that anything negative is to be avoided at all costs. Children are soothed in a hurry when something normal and natural happens, instead of being allowed to experience the emotions and learn to process them. They become adults and spend their lives avoiding anything painful instead of experiencing life as it was meant to be lived. I love to watch the reactions when someone cries in public. Adults squirm in their seats and try and vacate as quickly as possible. Why? There is no reason to shift in our seats unless we intentionally caused the tears, and even then, unless it was a malicious intention why the discomfort? We all experience the broad range of emotions we are designed to feel. Without the hurt, how would we know what made us feel good? If it doesn?t rain, how do we truly learn to appreciate the sunshine? Why are we so afraid to love? I thrive on loving; it?s why I do what I do. I love the guests I have the honor of getting to know. Not the ?you need to leave your wife? kind of love, but the kind that is there unconditionally. Liking the qualities of someone, but loving the faults and watching as someone realizes how truly lovable they are, is my favorite aspect of what I do. I am usually the rebound girl, my guests come to me when the realization hits that life goes on after a D has hit, (death, divorce, desertion) and they are feeling lost and out of touch. Hobbyists make up a small portion of my day, the rest is filled with men who are moving forward and figuring out what?s next. They are the monogamous souls that really want a long term relationship but are not ready. They come to me to reassure themselves they can lie with another woman other than the one that is gone. What they learn is that the world continues to turn and they are going to be fine. I am not a traditional SP, I sometimes develop very intimate relationships with my guests. I give as much as they do. I never utter the words, because I know the effect words like that have, but it doesn?t change the emotions that are felt, and I have heard the precious words more often than I can count. Would I change it? Not a chance! It is needed to allow them to realize that they can still love. People confuse the chemical reaction of falling in love with real love and we are all susceptible. In my career I have two guests that I fell in love with. Both are still close friends that I maintain contact with almost daily. Fortunately common sense prevailed as we realized that the chemicals had taken over and were governing us. Were there tears? Of course! But we rode them out and the relationships morphed into something much deeper and dearer than the heart pounding, mind boggling sense that comes with the ?in love? mantra. I have had numerous marriage proposals, ring and financial statement in hand. They were the White Knights who were looking to save me from ?this life?, when I did not need saving. The other guests, I watch with wonder as they gain confidence and start to move towards finding what makes them happy. I have had the privilege of attending weddings that happened after guests reached the realization that they can love again, and move on. I govern myself with one rule, tell the truth about myself. The emotions that follow will happen; I experience them, learn from them and continue to grow. Don?t be afraid to cry or to laugh, to love and most important don?t be afraid to lose. It is an integral part of who we are as human beings and it is what makes us what we are. Catherine

Thanks Alex that was a very good post. For me I could easily fall in love with a couple of sp's but I will always pay. I do though have a couple of great friendships with my regular sp's I take them shopping and out for dinner or lunch before and after our sessions. I enjoy it and so do they but thats as far as it goes. Being recently seperated after a number of years of marriage I am definately not into the relationship thing and doubt I ever will be again. Driving to the city ever couple of weeks to get my oil changed works very very well for me. I don't have to date anyone and I get my needs taken care of for far far less money than I would spend trying to romance a woman that might or might not put out. Thank god for the boards and the girls I have met through them, has saved me a pile of money and grief compared to what I had before;)

many years ago i was not in this industry full time but did have one client.after a couple of months i felt i had fallen in love with him and told him i would not take payment anymore.it was a mistake i made with this person as i really did not know who he was.my heart was broken by him many times.what attracted me to him was that he was older and that he made me feel safe and taken care of.once i stopped taking payment all that changed...i will not even tell you what i lost but it was alot.my world was turned upside down.we went into business together and it was a nightmare.which is how i found myself in this industry fulltime a little over a year ago. perhaps the same thing has happened to other girls.i know for myself because of this past experience i never make the mistake of mixing business with personal pleasure.i choose to stay unattached until my time in this industry is done.i find that is the best way as i am not prepared to stop escorting at this time.there have been times when i felt a client of mine was perhaps liking me too much and if i feel that i run,as i feel it would be hard to have a relationship and also escort. so i believe that unless the girl stops taking money from you the feeling is not reciprocated.always remember it is a business transaction with hopefully both parties still having fun with each other.i think if someone was falling in love with their sp perhaps they should either talk to her about it if you are willing to accept her profession but if you are not the best thing would be to put some distance between you so your heart or hers will not be broken i hope this helps from an sp's point of you. ps.i myself could have easily fallen in love with a client of mine but after past experience am the wiser regards alex grenyait ox

My advice is to seek another SP immediately to get over your loss. Many fine ladies available. Look under the recomendation section! Perhaps even see them all! :)

I think that most humans are polyamorous (many loves) and it is entirely possible to fall in love with your SP. It has been my experience, in an intense moment, that both my SP and I have declared loving the other. When clearer heads prevail, we know what happened and then have to unruffle a little. I am with dummpy - the memories are precious and belong to me and the one it is shared with - SP, MP, girlfriend, wife, occasional lover - however, the transaction is a business transaction, regardless of how much emotion is tied to that transaction. Hey, I cried when I sold my old Norton motorcycle and it was never as good a ride as some of the amazing women I have met through my life. Things change and coping well is about having clarity and resilience. All the best.

When you make love with someone on a regular basis you become emotionally attached. That is a simple fact, however you need to understand that it is a relationship of convenience for both sides and one thing in life is for sure, everything changes. I hold a special place in my heart for so many ladies, ex girlfriends, ex wives, ex SP's. The memory is precious and no one can take that away. I know that somewhere in this great big world is someone who is my perfect mate, and I am looking under every rock and leaving no stone unturned to find them. However by definition it has to be completely mutual... can't live without them kinda thing. You may have fallen in love, however she obviously did not. It is natural to have feelings of lose when something that you take for granted is gone, it can be as simple as your favorite coffee cup breaking and for weeks your morning coffee is missing something. Humans hate change, and when things are forced upon us it is even worse. You have the chance for a new beginning.