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Just because you pay for our time doesn't give you the right to disrespect us or treat us any way you feel And I also have that right to not see you if I feel uncomfortable or the vibe just isn't right! I'm attracted to manners, respect and common courtesy...alot of guys seems to lack these lately

When you text for information... Do you remember the good manners your mother taught you? Do you begin with, "Hello". Or better yet, "Hello. How are you?". And when you get a response... Is a list, of basic information, all you need to make a decision? In other words. Does poor grammar and incomplete sentences ever factor into your descion? Straight to buisness? I still wonder.... Sacha 613.315.9969

Thanks to all that replied to the thread and took the time to pm me privately. All your input and well thought-out advice is highly appreciated... After much thought, I'll be starting at Barefax on Monday Dayshift (noon)... See you there ;)

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What doesn't help is people like Sue McGarvie and her "Ducklings" group. She presents herself as a world renown sex therapist but to a crowd of more than hundreds, she completely dismissed the seriousness of STI! She's like: ok, for the paranoia surrounding swinging and open relationships: there's only 79 cases of Syphilis (or similar figures) per year, so your chances to catch it are what, Ottawa's population is almost a million now so... And if you had it, its super easy to treat. Talk about disinformation and creating reckless beliefs! And that obviates chlamydia which often goes without symptoms but has terrible consequences on reproduction health. Or herpes which is uncurable, painful loaded with stigma. Ok controlable in many cases but still a gift one could do without. Unfortunately, many people think that because their house was never flooded, they should not take the insurance option and lament they are ruined when it rains for 10 days straight and sewer backup fload their basement.

You could ask, while you're face down, something like: "I really appreciate your massages. They are really (soothing, relaxing, energizing, destressing ...) and satisfying. That being said, do you always do strictly therapeutic relaxation massages? Wait for answer: if yes: say Thank you for clarifying. No harm done and she should feel safe. If answer is a question such as "what do you mean", you may ask "well are you open to add on a more sensual or erotic note?" (I would love that a lot more than Do you do extra !) If answer is no, I do other stuff too or the like, then go with the flow!

Understanding that it's a text, poor grammar and incomplete sentences will not affect my decision at all. But I prefer when it is well written and complete sentences. It's a preference, not capital to make a decision. Also, there is the language barrier to considerate, not everybody is bilingual... me being French and still making mistakes in English, I can't base my decisions on poor grammar of other. That being said, the approach remains very important and being strait to the point is not the way I like it. Being a huge fan of the GFE, I lean toward a more soft, polite and respectful approach that will give a certain direction to the experience with the girl. In French we say "On n'a jamais une deuxième chance de faire une première impression". If I contact you, the initial text will provide a short introduction like: "Hello Sacha, I'm The D., I hope you're doing well. I saw your ad on blabla-website, I think you can be a nice person for me to meet..." and then I'll ask for whatever info not already provide on your website that I need to know. If everything is already cover, I'll ask for your availability for a particular time. All that in the initial post... If I already meet you and I know you will recognize me right away, I usually go by a "Hi Sacha", then I will wait for a text-back. If you reply with "Hi The D." That means we are on the same page... Then I will go with the next questions, who, most likely will be "How are you? Do you have some availabilities for tomorrow around 6pm?" I have to say (I know it's not the same topic...), I hate asking for information in a text. I prefer when the lady has a website with all the info already in it, or an ad that will cover the vaste majority of what needs to be known. Contacts by texts, for me, should be more for availabilities and to confirm appointments.

I can confirm that she, as in Kylie, is 100% REAL. I've met AND worked with her doing duos. I am real, there's no debate about that. Confirmed by Lyla and this thread. I am confirming her legitimacy so let's end this. She is young and is still learning how to navigate her way in this industry and tailor her business. I think she only saw that idiot defending her and was blinded to his disrespectful remarks towards other SPs. Give her a break, she's young and new. I know how hard it can be to hold your tongue.

Actually, strippers aren't "hired" by clubs, not since, a while ago, someone figured out it was more profitable to make them work as self-employed client of their establishments. In reality, they pay the club (the so called DJ fee), in exchange for the right to use the premises. But anyway, my point is that there's no efficient way to do background check before letting someone work there, and it's not like any girl will admit she's dishonest. You can't just "not hire girls who steal". All you can do is tell her she can't work there anymore, IF she has a history of problems with customers. But then again, even that's not simple, because many guys won't want to make a fuss for 20$ so the club might not realize there's anything wrong for a while. Also, remember, some customers can lie too so you can't necessarily get rid of her after the first incident. Personally, I'm divided on this. On one side, the idea of having an objective person monitor the song counts isn't the worst idea they could have come up with. The only thing that bothers me is the fact that that person's salary has to be covered by the customer. With the parking, the cover charge, the overpriced drinks, the tips (cover charge girl, waitress, bathroom guy handing you a towel), and now this, I feel Ottawa is in the process of becoming more like some clubs in Montreal, where you also have to pay the bouncer to lead you to your place, etc. In the end, it all adds up. And that's before you pay for any dance.

A lady I met not so long ago told me that she likes visiting Ottawa because the gents here are so nice and polite. Of course she only advertise on here and we are all nice guys like that here(I hope).

Anyone who shows up with stubbly whiskers is not kissing me. I have disposable razors and shaving cream at hand . If you don't want to use them not much kissing here. We should not have to be all scratched up as we may have another visitor.

I don't take dances at Pigale because I had girls rip me off there. And now they have a stupidity tax at the Fax? lol Wow. Maybe don't hire girls who steal?

You jest Notch with your opening funny . :) I'm almost 50 and I do sometimes get charming greetings such as this . I shake my head and delete . Then maybe the next day I get something from the same Romeo like this . ????? Years ago I would try and explain why I didn't answer. Now I figure if you are at least legal age its not my job to try and civilize people .

Can we get back to turn off for a man?

I'm 50 years old and I thought that because I'm looking for a younger girl that I had to start by "Yo baby, what's up sugar bum" and then "How bout I come over with my sausage and feed you?". Isn't that the way the young generation do it? Ok! Lets be serious now, I always start by saying "Hi (her name here), I hope you are having a wonderful day, I saw your ad and I'm checking to see if you are available anytime between 6am and 8am today? Then I wait for a response and then I will describe myself or ask for more details like her location. For me grammar is not that important or abbreviation either. If she uses C, U, L8tr, LOL etc it don't bother me.

I think it's the best way to approach the question.

I like to think I have good manners. I like an idea of restrictions. I like to know availability (in ad). I like to know approx location (in ad). Good grammar is important. I don't need new pics every few months but once a year would be nice.

If not attracted to ladies with tattoos that's fine some like the natural look nothing wrong with that but to assume she is trying to cover up a bad habit or past mistake is not always the case, tattoos are artistic and sometimes used to represent something meaningful And I chose to use 'smelly banana' instead of being explicit in response to the comment made about a lady's private area not smelling nice!

Was simply enjoying your ""smelly banana" comment. LOL

I always start with "hey ....... < insert name here" how are you. I then ask my questions. Always polite. And on the flip side I usually appreciate a real answer as opposed to a copy/paste answer. I know that providers must get a gagillion messages a day, but just my opinion.

I think something needs to be said here. The original post cannot be edited after 24 hours. So the poster cannot go back to page 1 and edit, or delete.

Hi there, thank you for checking my ad. You will not be disappointed with my A+++ massage... My name is Vivian. I'm 28 years old. Gorgeous, I am a classy looking Lady with long black hair, seductive cat eyes ...., beautiful silky soft, tanned skin. workout body with all the right curves in the right places. You have finally met your dream girl... .I great you at the door with a lovely smile then lead you to the massage room...I will start with a deep soothing tissue massage to relax all your muscles then follow with a soft touch to invigorate your whole body then the fun time ... It will be the most relaxing, creative and passionate session for you ever. So amazing that you cannot help yourself from thinking about it and want to come back for more! http://www.lyla.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=92146 For relaxing massage $40/30m $50/45m $70/60m appointment only, call/text me at 6l3 7l2 l2OO mon to sat 10am to 7pm.

Gentlemen, Allow me to introduce myself. Im Rebecca, the cute girl next door you have dream about, once in your life. Im 27 years old, french Canadian from Montréal with an adorable accent. I stand 5'4 with curvy build, long dark hair and nice handful of perky tits. My juicy pink lipz will amaze you in more than one way. My warm and friendly personality will put you at ease just with a smile by opening the door. Kiss? Cuddle? Light caress? Or something a little more spicy? I love it all. Take a look at what others have to say about me.. http://www.lyla.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=40938 At my place donation... Limited time specials for lyla's members only! 100HH 180H 280 90MIN 340 2H Located in the SOUTHEND by the airport... 613-315-6354

She had problems with that to the point she posted a pic of her ID in her Lyla profile to help clarify after it was brought up in a thread about her. I also first saw her on Fetlife. She wasn't using the site as advertising for escorting at first, but when that changed and I saw she was working in Halifax, I just had to hire her after seeing her Fetlife pics. She was literally the second girl I ever hired (Vandal Vyxen being the first). She then moved to Toronto and fast forward a year later, I hired her again when she returned to Halifax.

I don't understand your reasoning on your choice of words for "walking pin cushion". It seems like a passive insult to those who enjoy piercings. I understand the first part of your statement. That is completely acceptable to say that you are not a fan of piercings and prefer not to see women who have them. However, I question why you felt the need to add to that opinion with such a snide comment. As for the second bolded area, I also feel that is a little over the top. Considering that is not why most people get sleeve tattoos. To imply drug use to all that have sleeves, is pretty insulting to those who simply enjoy tattoos. I just felt these two comments needed to be pointed out for what they were. Passive insults to women for no reason. At none that I can see. I know this is a Turn-offs for men thread, but that type of behaviour can certainly be classified as a turn off for women. In case anyone wanted an example from the other side.

The Playmate is a nice friendly place that seems to allow the dancers the liberty to do as much or little as they like.

The fundraiser was a huge success! Thank you to everyone who came! xo

I posted earlier more as warning to male members whom do not wish to meet an under age provider or deal with the local authorities. I am happy to see your concern for the girl. Like I said earlier the proper agencies have been contacted. I believe they have programs in place to guide her in making better decisions. We are a small community under age providers are not typical in Kingston. Issues like this are dealt with quickly. I hope I did not confuse or bore you too much earlier. Thank you for the Conway link. An oldie but a goodie! As they say ;) He is great, one of my fav's.

Ha, Ha . I'm pretty good for any age! Be careful. :)

Had the pleasure of meeting Dawn at Go Go and had a great time upstairs. Just the kind of dances I like, slow and close. She's very attractive with small peirced boobs, long legs, great butt. Will see her again.

Have tried to book both with no success , any info please / Thank you

HI! Has anyone seen Eva at Body Basics? Her pics look amazing!

The beauty of a kiss. Oh how I love to kiss when the moment presents itself. Ideally, I prefer the spontaneity of the unexpected between myself and my partner. If I find the one I'm with a little shy, I initiate by leaning in and perhaps a brush on the lips to see if it's reciprocated. Tender kisses feel like whispers of the breath and enhance the closeness between two people. In general I don't mind if I am asked ahead, but do prefer to just embrace the moment when we meet. The kiss is the welcome and the parting. Understanding body language and communication are key. Mind you, that's just my thoughts on kissing. With the right partner, it's wonderful.

There are not a lot of options in Ottawa. I agree that the Bare Fax and Barb's are your best options. :)

Her pics are amazing

You speak of ginger. Find her at bodybasics3000

Clients should keep the "Captain-Save-a-Ho" schitck for their inner voice. SPs do not need "fatherly lectures" on how unsafe their business is or that they can't do this forever. We understand this and do not need to be told. That is not a client's concern no matter how close a client thinks they've gotten with the SP. There is a fine line between caring about someone and lecturing them. It is hypocritical and more or less a put down especially after that client has partaken in supporting industry activities and more or less to ease their possible guilty conscience for whatever reasons that are none of our business. Everyone follows their own path and if the mood is going to be ruined, it definitely will be with these types of comments. Lol.

To each their own of course, but I'm the opposite. My favourite encounters are those where it's clear the lady is getting just as much enjoyment and is as engaged as I am. I actually love it when a lady makes a request or suggestion because it shows she's truly interested and finding pleasure in what we're doing. As for turn-offs, I've been pretty lucky, but feeling rushed is never fun. And though rare, there's been a couple times where a lady has quizzed me on other ladies or offered negative opinions about them. While I like some conversation, that's not a topic I enjoy and seems to go against the idea of discretion (not to say all such questions are uncomfortable...but those with a malicious bent to them, if that makes sense).

A turn-off for me is a man having subtle on his face and irritating my face when he kisses me.

Also interested to know about Allie or her partner. Specifically for massage, but any info is appreciated.