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This thread is really upsetting, and I want to thank all of the service providers (both massage attendants and escorts) that have participated in it. What saddens (and enrages) me most is that what some of the clients in this thread have admitted to doing is something that happens all of the time, even by 'well-intentioned' and 'good' guys. So many men, in general, 'test their luck', push boundaries, and assume they can 'give us compliments' (cat calls), 'touch us' without our consent (a form of sexual assault), or 'have sex with us' because we 'were asking for it' (rape). My boundaries are clearly stated on my website. I don't offer anal play on me, ever. Yet quite frequently as a man is going down on me he will lick my asshole without asking me first, or try to stick a finger in my ass while we are doing 69. When I react badly, they say "oh, but your asshole looks so inviting" or "oh, I didn't realize that", or "but it looked like you were enjoying it." This has happened with clients who have amazing references sometimes. Guys simply don't realize that it is NOT OK to do this without asking first. Furthermore, sometimes, when I've reacted badly, they've actually tried to do it again. In the times that this has happened I have stopped the session and simply stated "if you continue doing this, even after I've said no multiple times, I want you to realize that what you're doing constitutes sexual assault." They lose their boner and go home feeling like I'm an angry feminist, and I don't give a fuck. Any sex worker can offer any service they'd like, as long as those services are negotiated in advance and consensual. Don't assume complacency is consent. On my website I say I don't offer anal play on me, but if I didn't stop the client they would continue, and this is still a violation of my boundaries and constitutes sexual assault. Not all sex workers feel comfortable saying no to clients because they fear reprisal, bad reviews, or an escalation in the assault (licking my asshole could turn into raping me, if I protest too loudly). Please seek out ENTHUSIASTIC consent from sex workers you meet. Never "test your luck" or assume you can do things without pre-negotiating first. Also, don't assume that all sex workers are good at negotiating consent face-to-face. Make ALL of your desires known BEFORE meeting with your sex worker of choice. It took me a long time to feel powerful enough to say 'no' to men who were doing things to me that made me feel uncomfortable. Women, in general, aren't taught how to do this. Keep that in mind.

The most triggering thing for bros who came up here with personal attacks is the realization that a rapist/sex offender is not the big boogey man hiding in dark alleys waiting for a prey. No darling, the bad guy is you who "test their luck" or who are "sorry after the fact". When you push/don't respect sexual boundaries: you are a sexual predator. When you engage in a certain sexual act without having first obtain permission: that is a sexual assault. When you insist on sexual favours by saying other ladies do, or "I'll give you a great review: that's sexual coercion. If you are going to fight me on this, at last please make an effort to not sound like a rapist apologist. Also, please try to make it not all about your ego.

There are comments in this thread that have me thinking me on a consensual level. I would like to add my thoughts as an MA. Services do vary with different providers and these questions should be asked beforehand. Once they have been discussed, they should always be respected. There is no debate to be had on this subject. I did have a non consensual experience while doing a reverse body slide when I first started, even though I outlined my limitations before meeting. This applies in person as well and never to be assumed. It's a violation I have not forgotten. You never know how it can affect someone if you just take your "chances".

I offer massage with various extras and endings . I also offer full companionship. My massage packages are clearly spelled out to a client and my donation is less for massage that for companionship. When someone tries to get extra service in a massage that I don't offer I immediately think this person is trying to get more service for less donation. There is no muddy water here. You have chosen one experience and you know exactly what you are receiving . Luckily for me most clients are respectful. Those who come for massage usually want the luxury of laying back and being pampered, that's why they choose this service.

"Backfired on you" like you didn't bother to obtain her consent first? When you go to the stripclub and get a private dance, do you also assume that you can put your mouth on her genitals because she has it at 2 inches of your face and that you have previously told her that you like to lick pussy? Does the fact that you have stated your preferences makes you entitled to them? You do realize that you just self-admitted to have committed a sexual assault, right?

I offer body slides in my massage sessions . I can assure that I am not asking for anything. I am delivering service , to please you as we agreed upon. Why do you think or wonder if a lady is asking for anything more? What leads you to believe this I ask with all respect ?

I have to agree with Mature Angela. Stating that she is a popular provider will only pique people's curiosity and it isn't helpful to her if this information becomes public knowledge associated with her. It will only bring her further down, the absolute last thing she needs. I'm speaking from experience, almost 8 years clean. I think it's pretty great that you are so understanding of her situation, but let's be honest... Most clients are NOT and in my experience fellow SPs can be even worse. If her name is outed, she will most likely never escape the stigma attached with addiction whether she gets clean for a long period of time or not. Therefore I don't feel that this is an appropriate thread for this board in particular. Also... addiction is addiction. There is no type that is better or worse.

you are known Mystique, although i never had yet the pleasure of seeing you. i considered lately but only saw adds in the rub section. It is unfortunate that some..hmmm, how shall i say..hagglers, cheapskates? try to barter your wages. This industry is not a dollarama. I've heard some dudes try to get as little as 20$ off??? really, if you are so strung out that you have to barter for 20$ then you have no business seeking SP's. I've always been of the thought that rates should not be negotiable. If you want to see a lady, then accept her restrictions and rates and be respectful. It's really puzzling to me to try to figure out why one would barter rates. Seems to me that if you manage it then you set yourself up for an hour (or HH) that will only bring the minimal out of the lady because she will feel demeaned or worse that you are just cheap and don't deserve much attention. If on the other hand, you respect all she asks, are nice, clean, presentable etc...you might find on occasion that a little extra TLC will go your way. Just my 2 cents. But i digress, i've heard often that Ottawa appears to be the city of hagglers which is unfortunate and puts us in a dim light. Are guys here that cheap? Or maybe they are thinking of the next 2 beers they'll buy at the strip club, who knows.

Starts with texts. If I get something flirty or extra personalized it tells me the time is going to be special and just makes the lead up more exciting (presumably after a time is officially booked or it's a regular...I realize it's not something one could do with every random inquiry). A hug and kiss at the beginning. Again, makes a lovely start and connection. What really can get me going is if the lady makes a request. What I mean is if she's clearly enjoying and as into the time as I am that she's feeling her own needs and wants them satisfied. I mean, who doesn't get a rush out of feeling like you're pleasing? While I'm not going to complain about being pampered, I'll take a session that feels more mutual any day...maybe twice a day.

That rush right before you open the door. The excitement and nervousness all in one. I always speak to them on the phone and already have gained an idea and go with my instincts whether to book with them or not but still when I open the door..in that one fleeting moment feels like a wave.

My issue is not about who offers what in terms of services, obviously. I have been clear about that. My issue is the lack of explicit consent with your professional. You can stretch this as much as you want with mental gymnastic, the facts remains that's not ok to put your mouth on someone's genitals WITHOUT first obtaining their consent, REGARDLESS of their profession. Strippers, MAs or Escorts. Your post feels defensive. I understand that my words will force some to reflect on their own behaviour, which can be quite triggering once you realize a thing or two. That's ok, take all the time you need.

You were the one saying "she was asking for it", no? That sort of attitude isn't worth a discussion, no matter how justified you think you are.. These women aren't just holes for you to fill, they're actual people.

It seems to me that Backpage has had it's final days. I rarely receive callbacks from there, and find that most of the people lingering there try to haggle me for my donations. This is unfortunate, to say the least, for a girl who wants to go back to the world of touring. This means, that on my (tentative) upcoming tour, I have no idea how to advertise effectively. I'm considering doing guest appearances at agencies or spas, but that leaves a lot to be desired as I would have to hope that my experience with these people I've never met will be positive. I've learnt in the past that this is often not the case. Are there any suggestions the Cerbies could give me in regards to how I might make myself known in the areas given the current state of backpage? Are there different websites or forums you use?

Hey fellow ummm Lyla-ers? Lyla-ites? What are we called? LylaLovers! there we go! As some of you know, I rarely venture into the general threads here and did today because I wanted to post a thank you to MOD for getting lyla back up & running with a renewed security certificate in no time. Many of us, myself included, were not comfortable coming here without it. I often do for other sites when I see that but given the nature of this site and the potential for what could go wrong, I didn't want to take any risks. Lyla is the only site that I advertise on. Its a fantastic community and the only place I feel represents me in the way I want to market myself, to find the type of hobbyist I like to spend time with. Not that I ever take lyla for granted but visiting Ottawa without it was rather disconcerting. On twitter, many were worried how long it would take for lyla to be safe again. I assured everyone that mod is hardcore and is surely all over addressing it, he hasn't failed us yet and sure enough, my faith was proven er... whats the word... well you know, I was right to have ffaith lol. ( I'm afraid I may have left all my wit in my last post, which is why I entitled this one, 'what I really wanted to say was...' I ventured to the General Discussion to thank mod but unfortunately checked out a thread I should not have and broke my all-too-often-broken-rule on remaining apolitical and non-controversial. Sigh. Anyway, thank you mod for your swift action! You rock!!!! Jessy xoxo xxx

I am fairly new to this board and hobby. And I just do not get this thread at all, I am an older guy, and my parents taught me to respect women. (they taught me to respect everyone, every race and every gender) Respect is very simple, listen and adhere to what is being told to you. If you respect women then crossing their boundaries should never ever happen! No matter what you may think, if it is discussed in previous exchanges and the answer is no, then quite frankly NO MEANS NO, and to violate that is akin to assault on any level. Even if it was not discussed, do not assume anything. Making assumptions simply means believing things are a certain way with little or no evidence that shows you are correct, and you can see at once how this can lead to terrible trouble. In Short, if not discussed don't do it, if discussed and not allowed, don't cross the line. SM007

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As a service provider pre-bookings make sense, particularly for those of us with careers and busy lives...I'm sure we all have lives and organizing a time away a little bit of fun and excitement is the only way we can make it work :)

This discussion took a turn pretty quick. I think there are some misunderstandings going on here. I have nothing of substance to add to the discussion. Just felt the need to point that out.

This may sound a little strange, but would it make sense for people posting services on BP to include a picture of them that features the current edition of the newspaper from the city in which they are located? This would take an extra 5 minutes, but think of how many potential issues this one simple act would instantly put to rest (i.e. authenticity of photos, age of photos, actual location, etc.).

It's really not so much about the woman "being pleased" as it is clients trying to get more services than they're paying for (you're paying for a massage afterall, not the intimacy of a GFE companion).. We really don't get into Sex Work solely so guys can try to give us orgasms you know, lol.

"not just something to rush through before work" was really all I meant. A lot of guys don't like being rushed through a date, makes them feel like we're only doing it for the money, and I'm just not a fan of being rushed through a date either. Personally, it makes me feel kinda whoreish (& while I don't mind being one, I'm not so much into spending time with people who make me feel like one.. well, in a bad way anyways, lol.) ;) Those are obviously just my personal feelings and preferences though- and I'm not claiming or assuming other Companions/Sex Workers share my thoughts or feelings on such, I only 100% know my own feelings and what's best for me.

I believe she comes down from Montreal; you may be able to find more information about her in a Montreal discussion forum.

I haven't visited yet. From what I've been informed, it is affiliated with ALO. The location is just into the Manotick area and is intended to cater to multi-hour and overnight visits. See their Twitter @themansion613

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It's not a valid request in a day and age when you can see what she looks like via a quick Google search and you don't need LYLA to find a good looking therapist. Don't get me wrong, I don't mind being with a good looking therapist. But if her skills are subpar and techniques are confusing(like with some holistic therapies) I won't waste time and money on her. And once I find a good one, I won't risk giving her contact informations to a complete stranger. If you want an MA or an SP use LYLA. If you want an RMT, just Google "massage therapist Ottawa" and do your homework.

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Anyone busted recently ?? Still Shu and Krystal. ?? Any updates. Etc would be appreciated .

I've also heard this a lot from other providers. While I sometimes have same-day availability, I definitely don't mind gents who like to book further in advance! It not only gives me lots of time to be rested, refreshed & get any extra goodies, but it's super helpful when I'm planning my week, when to do chores and errands.. makes everything run easier and smoother. I actually seem to have the opposite problem with short-notice bookings though, the majority of my cancellations/no shows come from last-minute bookings and the only 'Addy Collectors'* who have made it through my screening have been very short-notice bookings. *For anyone unfamiliar with the term, here's a little insider info for y'all. ;) There's typically two types of Address Collectors; One is a person who sits on Google Earth and puts a ridiculous amount of effort into pretending to be nearby in an attempt to get a ladies address.. The Other does actually show up, but acts extremely off putting for a stranger you just let into your home. He barely looks at you and rarely takes more than a step or two in past the front door before he starts claiming that you're not the girl in your photos or that you're a fake or a liar, (it usually comes off as unstable to the point where, if he wasn't already leaving as soon as he came in- you'd be asking him to leave anyways, lol,) while being as loud and obnoxious as possible. These types of people aren't very common, but can seriously creep us out/ruin a good mood.. This is why sometimes following something silly like, 'please park in this specific spot' can be super important to putting us at ease. xoxo

In keeping with the spirit of this board, I don't think it's appropriate to post this because you will have people messaging you to find out who this is. Having been there yourself, you should know that until someone is ready to quit, there is not much you can really do.

I know she has reviews on here and I know she is a member. That's exactly why I went to see her. U know how u get all excited mixed up with nervousness before u finally go see the lady. But when u get there, no more communications, u wait and think maybe she just need a few more minutes but after u called 5 times and she picked up one of the calls but only music playing on the other side. When this happened, it really leaves nothing but sourness, and if ur reading this I am trying to help u avoid this feeling with this specific girl. We talked last week and agreed to meet last Sunday night but then when Sunday came no more replies. Last night she txted me, great, I showered, went to the bank and drove 30 min to her motel. I txted her before I left and when I was on my way, but when I got there 4 mins before our set time 9pm, u know the rest. I went on backpage again and found that 20 mins before our arranged meeting time she posted on backpage again, there were a couple of people seemingly talking about and watching me while I was waiting. I had high hopes, but this is what happened. And the exact same situation happnened not once, but twice. First time was two weeks ago. Anyone who opened this link thinking "how can she be..." I know exactly how you feel, maybe u would have gone back the second time like me, and thats what this post is all about. I doubt she had any bad intentions, even tho it's hard to convince myself. Oh, she replied an hr later "hey sweetie", and then "Sorry I was waiting for u..." right after my countless "I'm here", "u need a few minutes?" and 5 calls. Ya, she gave me this bs the first time too lol I asked for the room number to come by, no more reply and that's the end of the story. Judge for yourself, I still wanna believe she is a good girl. http://halifax.backpage.ca/FemaleEscorts/your-favorite-blonde-barbie-doll-forget-her-pick-me-specials-438-794-0567/2546210