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I am fairly new to this board and hobby. And I just do not get this thread at all, I am an older guy, and my parents taught me to respect women. (they taught me to respect everyone, every race and every gender) Respect is very simple, listen and adhere to what is being told to you. If you respect women then crossing their boundaries should never ever happen! No matter what you may think, if it is discussed in previous exchanges and the answer is no, then quite frankly NO MEANS NO, and to violate that is akin to assault on any level. Even if it was not discussed, do not assume anything. Making assumptions simply means believing things are a certain way with little or no evidence that shows you are correct, and you can see at once how this can lead to terrible trouble. In Short, if not discussed don't do it, if discussed and not allowed, don't cross the line. SM007

This thread is really upsetting, and I want to thank all of the service providers (both massage attendants and escorts) that have participated in it. What saddens (and enrages) me most is that what some of the clients in this thread have admitted to doing is something that happens all of the time, even by 'well-intentioned' and 'good' guys. So many men, in general, 'test their luck', push boundaries, and assume they can 'give us compliments' (cat calls), 'touch us' without our consent (a form of sexual assault), or 'have sex with us' because we 'were asking for it' (rape). My boundaries are clearly stated on my website. I don't offer anal play on me, ever. Yet quite frequently as a man is going down on me he will lick my asshole without asking me first, or try to stick a finger in my ass while we are doing 69. When I react badly, they say "oh, but your asshole looks so inviting" or "oh, I didn't realize that", or "but it looked like you were enjoying it." This has happened with clients who have amazing references sometimes. Guys simply don't realize that it is NOT OK to do this without asking first. Furthermore, sometimes, when I've reacted badly, they've actually tried to do it again. In the times that this has happened I have stopped the session and simply stated "if you continue doing this, even after I've said no multiple times, I want you to realize that what you're doing constitutes sexual assault." They lose their boner and go home feeling like I'm an angry feminist, and I don't give a fuck. Any sex worker can offer any service they'd like, as long as those services are negotiated in advance and consensual. Don't assume complacency is consent. On my website I say I don't offer anal play on me, but if I didn't stop the client they would continue, and this is still a violation of my boundaries and constitutes sexual assault. Not all sex workers feel comfortable saying no to clients because they fear reprisal, bad reviews, or an escalation in the assault (licking my asshole could turn into raping me, if I protest too loudly). Please seek out ENTHUSIASTIC consent from sex workers you meet. Never "test your luck" or assume you can do things without pre-negotiating first. Also, don't assume that all sex workers are good at negotiating consent face-to-face. Make ALL of your desires known BEFORE meeting with your sex worker of choice. It took me a long time to feel powerful enough to say 'no' to men who were doing things to me that made me feel uncomfortable. Women, in general, aren't taught how to do this. Keep that in mind.

Well gentlemen, I have known Sasha May for the last few years and she is my go to. I treated myself to a Christmas gift today which included Jessy Celeste who I have never met before. What an experience, two beautiful ladies into each other as well as myself. Spent a couple of hours together enjoying each other, Jessy is easy to talk to and is a pleasure to be around. She is quite skilled. Sasha is the girlfriend everyone would want in their life if possible. Together they are a wonderful treat and if you have a chance I would highly recommend. Merry Christmas to all.

Finally bit the bullet. TOFTT. Sorry I did. Works out of the spa in PA. If they are her pics (which I doubt) they are from many years ago. Super rushed and mechanical. Won't repeat. http://thunderbay.backpage.ca/FemaleEscorts/french-canadien-babe-chloe-quirt3r-w-t-and-wild-24-7-local-girl/96754847

Honestly, MANY service providers put a LOT of effort into writing ad copy, keeping up-to-date and information-ladden websites, posting regularly to social media, keeping up an online presence precisely for this reason - to cast away any doubt as to our authenticity. Rather than giving us yet another task - namely chasing down a local newspaper and taking a decent selfie daily - perhaps potential clients could make a small effort and do some research? It takes much less time to google "CITY escort NAME" than it does to go find a newspaper, doll oneself up (because yes taking photos requires a certain level of maintaining appearances), take a photo, and post it every day. Just my two cents...

This thread was grossly hijacked. If you all would read the original post by "Lycrathong" as follows: "Looking for good recommendations on a massage with facesetting included. Preferably Asian." as posted in the massage section... CLEARLY stating he would like a massage in the massage section with a preferred additional service added. This used to be a heavily moderated act on this board what happened? I'm not disrespecting peoples arguments/points/narratives but why is Lycra being attacked here? The amount of projecting in this thread is unbelievable. DoM

i have noticed reviews/ads/posts by maybe 2 or 3 over the years (and by 'years' i mean over 10 years, and still only a total of 2 or 3) who have provided sub services, and they were always with a 3rd person monitoring the encounters.; this is safest for you as a client, and the provider, imo. It is also my personal opinion that no sp should ever provides these services, because it would attract a violent predatory and incompetent dominant-curious person who is clueless about consent, boundaries and limits everything you see in porn is not necessarily something that should be acted upon in real life, and to me the absolute last thing any sp should be doing is offering it, advertising it, or going thru with it, unless they were the sub of a BDSM couple and the M part is there every step of the way.

The ignore function on this site.

I don't see a need too in my opinion. I work hard to keep my site, my twitter and my ads recent and accurate. I am not hunting down a paper to take a selfie with it daily. That is just too much. My opinion is, if you are that concerned, move on to another lady. I want my clients to feel comfortable, but I will only go so far. Some of that responsibility is on the client. Do tin-eye and google image searches, read reviews, etc. I put in my time and effort as much as I can, and I hope you do as well. I am actually very impressed and attracted to men who take the time to read my site and my ads. It shows me the appreciation for my efforts and I like that. Those guys are the ones who get the extra attention from me. Instead of a pic of BP with a paper that everyone sees, they get a private pic emailed to them out of the blue with a special little sexy note. Now I know not everyone is like me, but do you want generic or do you want something different. Sometimes taking the time yourself, brings about the greater reward.

Shot in the dark here but it would take allot of trust for an SP to engage in this. They are very vulnerable meeting us and the introduction of rougher play would only be entertained after a level of trust has been established. I just cant imagine and SP offering it on a first meeting. Just my thoughts and fully admit i mihht be wrong.

It might make things easier if most clients actually read anything worded in a backpage ad. ;) Rather than chasing down a local newspaper, most of us thought a website would fix that pesky "Is she real?" wonderment. All teasing aside, some kind of verification would certainly help but the issue is that girls who don't have a website usually aren't inclined to do so... smiles, cat

Hi there, thank you for checking my ad. You will not be disappointed with my A+++ massage... My name is Vivian. I'm 28 years old. Gorgeous, I am a classy looking Lady with long black hair, seductive cat eyes ...., beautiful silky soft, tanned skin. workout body with all the right curves in the right places. You have finally met your dreamgirl . I greet you at the door with a lovely smile then lead you to the massage room...I will start with a deep soothing tissue massage to relax all your muscles then follow with a soft touch to invigorate your whole body then the fun time ... It will be the most relaxing, creative and passionate session for you ever. So amazing that you cannot help yourself from thinking about it and want to come back for more! breathtakingvivian.com http://www.lyla.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=92146 For relaxing massage $40/30m $50/45m $70/60m appointment only, call/text me at 6137121200 mon to sat 10am to 7pm.

I spent an hour chatting with Chantelle upstairs about the changes she has planned for the CR area. Opening the upstairs bar, fixing the booths, cleaning the ductwork, painting, lighting, possible changes to the stage-level mirrors downstairs and lowering the platforms on either side of the stage to ground level, different sheer curtains, all manner of interesting ideas. We were riffing off of each other's energy and had a blast discussing ideas. She was glad to hear my input on several levels. She is in the process of replacing all of the VIP room furniture, pictured below. It looks very sturdy, and I got the chance to try out the shoe chair. It's pretty amazing for lap dancing. Thanks again, Robyn. That natty white couch is gone, and the Senator's chair is one of the last to go. Thank god. For all those people complaining about the lack of updates to any club in the area, they're already here with more on the way.

When people keep their hands out of my hair, I really like them and keeps me focused on other things during it time together.. Lol. I get it professionally done 3 times a week so I can look my best.

The most triggering thing for bros who came up here with personal attacks is the realization that a rapist/sex offender is not the big boogey man hiding in dark alleys waiting for a prey. No darling, the bad guy is you who "test their luck" or who are "sorry after the fact". When you push/don't respect sexual boundaries: you are a sexual predator. When you engage in a certain sexual act without having first obtain permission: that is a sexual assault. When you insist on sexual favours by saying other ladies do, or "I'll give you a great review: that's sexual coercion. If you are going to fight me on this, at last please make an effort to not sound like a rapist apologist. Also, please try to make it not all about your ego.

It's really not so much about the woman "being pleased" as it is clients trying to get more services than they're paying for (you're paying for a massage afterall, not the intimacy of a GFE companion).. We really don't get into Sex Work solely so guys can try to give us orgasms you know, lol.

Someone can totally correct me if I'm wrong, but-- I'm pretty sure that's not your typical massage service and is something you'll probably have to look to an escort or fetish provider for.

Happy Birthday MsManda, I hope you enjoy your day !

Thanks....

Sensous Katherine will be visiting your area next week . Would you like a massage ? Something a bit more perhaps? Your reliable and fiery redhead always delivers complete satisfaction . I don't have heavenly measurements, but ones that are downright devilish!!! Get in touch please to set up our time . Katherine www.sensouskatherine.com 902 410 8678

SPs: please respect our boundaries, don't rape/assault us. Lycrathong: but what about my ego though? HAS ANYONE THOUGHT ABOUT MY EGO IN THIS DISCUSSION?!

When you thread the limits of serious physical violence, it would be a situation where having a third person in the room can be useful to monitor the activity and intervene if needed. And mostly when both sides are exploring their physical limits.

Happy birthday sweet lady.

I think someone commented on this ad before. Look at the European electrical outlets and check TinEye. I suspect your conclusion will be that it's "too good to be true". http://m.chastnoe.net/big_photo/625-photo-9-ljubitelskaja_jerotika.html

Happy Birthday you gorgeous lady. Have a wonderful day !!

I hope you have an amazing day beautiful.

I am going to chime in once more on this subject. YOU may not think that you smell but others may think otherwise. Even having just showered most people start to develope perspiration within minutes. Now, back to the pheromones discussion. My life partner does not smell bad to me ever but he may absolutely disgust my best friend. let's face it, it's inexpensive and takes 2 seconds to apply. PLEASE!!!!!!!! Just do it

Well at least the thread created some good debate, and brought forth some serious concerns from SPs and MAs. The thread got a bit off topic from the posts original inquiry. I understand and agree with the ladies point of view on consent, and I obviously was inquiring about the service being consensual. That being said, SPs going out of their way to make it clear to clients that they aren't pleasured by a client, more so the money, won't help generate any extra business in my opinion. Many men who see SPs believe the woman actually enjoys spending time with them. Some know its only business, some believe theres more of a connection. Just saying

It's starting to sound like a kidnap and ransom situation.

Happy Birthday MsManda! Have yourself an incredible day!!! :D

Happy Birthday MsManda have a good one

A full tank of gas at $1.03 per litre...hadn't seen that price for a while and couldn't drive past without stopping.

I just got out of the CR with Robyn. She's a new girl here who used to dance at the Sundowner in Niagara Falls. She's friendly and cute as a bug and knows her way around the booth. She has a few things to unlearn and new knowledge of how things work at Barefax to use instead, but a very pleasant companion. She is planning to spend a lot of time here and is in the process of setting up a move from Toronto. She is an all natural mocha-coloured cutie who is going to turn a few heads with her very practiced and energetic stage show. You can't help but notice her. She's electric.

Seen her and she is awesome! Don't have a lot to add, she's amazing to look at and warm and friendly. Great service. Her ad is gone right now but she said she's working again soon.

Starts with texts. If I get something flirty or extra personalized it tells me the time is going to be special and just makes the lead up more exciting (presumably after a time is officially booked or it's a regular...I realize it's not something one could do with every random inquiry). A hug and kiss at the beginning. Again, makes a lovely start and connection. What really can get me going is if the lady makes a request. What I mean is if she's clearly enjoying and as into the time as I am that she's feeling her own needs and wants them satisfied. I mean, who doesn't get a rush out of feeling like you're pleasing? While I'm not going to complain about being pampered, I'll take a session that feels more mutual any day...maybe twice a day.

That rush right before you open the door. The excitement and nervousness all in one. I always speak to them on the phone and already have gained an idea and go with my instincts whether to book with them or not but still when I open the door..in that one fleeting moment feels like a wave.

There are comments in this thread that have me thinking me on a consensual level. I would like to add my thoughts as an MA. Services do vary with different providers and these questions should be asked beforehand. Once they have been discussed, they should always be respected. There is no debate to be had on this subject. I did have a non consensual experience while doing a reverse body slide when I first started, even though I outlined my limitations before meeting. This applies in person as well and never to be assumed. It's a violation I have not forgotten. You never know how it can affect someone if you just take your "chances".

"Backfired on you" like you didn't bother to obtain her consent first? When you go to the stripclub and get a private dance, do you also assume that you can put your mouth on her genitals because she has it at 2 inches of your face and that you have previously told her that you like to lick pussy? Does the fact that you have stated your preferences makes you entitled to them? You do realize that you just self-admitted to have committed a sexual assault, right?

Ok Ive changed my mind on just one point... I cant put a price on integrity. To everyone who says, 'He won, get over it.' Are you kidding me? Do you not care about freedom and democracy? That sort of complacent attitude has been the beginning of almost every single dictatorship, totalitarian regime, oligarchy... you name it.. in history. So by that rationale, should the people of Nazi Germany just gotten over it? Or was it a good thing that some of them didn't just accept this new reality and risked their lives to help take it down? Should the people of North Korea just 'get over it'? Should we who dislike C-36 just get over it? Or should we do something to change things we feel that infringe on our rights? Should we not have a voice and start a dialogue with each other to weigh our options on how we can better our lives? Should women who have had their clits hacked off at age 7 just get over it cuz their government allows it and that's that? Or is it a good thing that they rise up and fight against it. Should I as an Anglo Quebecer just get over the fact that people can not communicate with health care professionals, police and government workers because the OLF won? Or do I have the right to stand up and say, hey this is my country and my province too and I have the right to the laws that are in place? Should Scotland have just gotten over it and allowed British soldiers to have 'first dibs' at raping their young wives before the groom can even see her after their union? I can go on and on. And you may say that I am comparing life and death matters to life in America... ok lets examine that for a moment. First of all, as I said, totalitarian regimes barely ever take over, overnight. It took the Nazis party several attempts before they had enough seats that hitler could carry out his disgusting plans. (Oh fun fact. One of the things the Nazi party did during campaigns was spread false news stories and once everyone got a little confused they then cried 'Leuten Presser' (forgive me if my German sucks) to any report that described the truth about what the Nazis were up to. Guess what that means in German; Give up? LYING PRESS! Sound familiar? Anyway back to my rant which Ill probably kick myself for but freedom is everything to me) Where was I? Ah yes... so first point in my comparing all the atrocities of history to the USA. So, point 1. that's how this shit ALWAYS starts. and 2. Comparing life & death matters to the state of the American union. Well, considering issues such as HEALTH CARE, GUN CONTROL AND THE ENVIRONMENT and the stance this sociopath has on all these issues and more, oh yes, lets not forget the military industrial complex and all the lives that costs, he backs all these things more than any of his predecessors... these ARE matters of life and death. So if you don't care about peoples freedom and you are comfortable with an Orwellian party-member like complacency of 'whatever the party in control does is fine, just get over it' I suggest that perhaps if you care so little, then allow those of us who DO care to discuss and fight it however we like. NO I WILL NOT GET OVER IT! I WILL FIGHT IT WITH EVERY SIGNLE FIBER OF MY BEING. AND I DO NOT REQUIRE YOUR PEMISSION TO DO SO and sorry but you wont succeed at dismissing me into silence. Furthermore, I find it kind of odd how any one can be comfortable saying that about a country that isn't even theirs! But be ready. It has come out from several different sources (non anonymous sources) that Russia was only testing the waters with the American election. Those who are paying attention have been warned that the same 'Fake news' tactics and efforts to divide the nation will be implemented in elections for Germany, France, England and yes CANADA. When that happens, I hope at least for your own country you wont be telling anyone to just 'get over it' if a extreme winger (either wing) comes into power and tries to undermine our democracy, gut our health care, kill our soldiers, pollute our drinking water and arrest those who protest it. I hope what I have said here, or perhaps, someone else's words will have got you thinking about a few things that really matter. I am assuming if you are on here you at least enjoy the freedom of our laws regarding this industry, less as they now are. I'm sure you enjoy other freedoms as well. I hope you will guard those freedoms against those seeking to take them from you. I hope you will guard your money from an oligarchy trying to steal it. I do not say any of this with the hope to call out or shame. I am trying to reach you and I sincerely hope that you would try to have a talk with me should I ever say anything so dangerous and so against Canadian values. And yes, please stop shaming the American people. It was the LOWEST voter turn out in US voting history, per capita. Even so, trump STILL lost the popular vote. Also, please recognize that the most popular politician in the USA is BERNIE SANDERS, who is practically an honorary Canadian when it comes to his values. And this is despite the fact that the Clintons literally financed the DNC which was broke and spent a ridiculous amount of time and money (still do) attempting to smear him. EVEN SO he remains the most popular. The average American IS a progressive. If you need proof, take a gander at the comments in trumps twitter feed. Go to youtube and watch the clip of the recent attempt at voting through the tax bill. It was constantly interrupted by constituents protesting, screaming DONT KILL ME, KILL THIS BILL. Have a look at some town hall meetings, ALLLLLL the way back in March, where republicans screamed protests against these BS policies. This election was a carefully calculated scam and the people are PISSED. By mocking Americans and blaming them for the 1% that have stolen their country from them, you are NOT helping any more than the South Koreans who shun North Koreans thinking they are all like their regime when the truth is, they are the victims of that regime. This mess in the US all started in the 70s when the supreme court literally legalized lobbyist bribery by deeming it freedom of speech. I can explain what happened but it would take forever. The point I am making, is these matters are seldom so simple. But before even going into all its complexity, ask yourself, who is happy being miserable? Obviously, even the few supporters he/they have, have been DUPED! His base is of the most simple minded people who desire simple answers to complex problems. The people in the US were/are desperate for change. They ACTUALLY voted in Obama on that promised and got sodomized for it, now they are pissed. Then they are offered Hillary, the poster girl of what is wrong in that country and why they work 3 jobs and still cant survive and in comes Trump who parrots the same things Bernie did, Medicare for all, raise the min wage to 15$ p/hour, stop the military industrial complex which turns blood into money...he promised all that and ya most of us could tell he was lying. But never underestimate the power of desperation... again, its why so many voted in the Nazi party. They were willing to try anything out that said they would save them. I really hope I have given some of you something to think about. In order to understand a situation you first need to get the full facts and then you have to find out what other facts led to those facts and only then will you begin to get an idea of what the hell happened there. But what wont help is dismissing and assuming and blaming without seeking anything beyond simplicity. That's the mistake of the trump supporter and yet you mock them for it. And again, saying get over it, if that's all you have to contribute, you may want to re-examine the value of your contribution. Clearly, within seconds I went from self-preservation to standing up for what I feel is right and risking it all. If I lose any of my wonderful clients because of my words here, it will crush me, but as I said, I cant put a price on my integrity and if I can reach just one person, it will be worth any cost. America needs our help, not our judgement or our complacency. And for those who may mock my appearance of hypocrisy, by calling out those telling a country that isn't their own to get over it... I like to remain as unidentifiable as possible on here but lets just say, theres a good reason I care so much. If you don't, that's cool, it isn't your country (though you may want to examine the fact that that country's well-being and prosperity has a lot to do with our own), but please do not try to tell those of us who do care, not to and to just give up and/or blame the bottom 99% of the country for the crimes and scams of the top 1%. If you read this far, I thank you for your attention. If I offended anybody, it was not my intention, please chalk it up to my passion for freedom, it is not personal. My sole hope here is to reach out and exchange some of my ideas for the ones Ive been offered here. That's the point of a dialogue and freedom of speech is the first step in freedom, shutting it down is the first step toward tyranny. Have a good day everyone! Sending each and every one of you love Sincerely, JessyCeleste Concerned SP. (LOL)

Thanks Mod. This is a thougtful and fair approach

I was mostly kidding but sadly we cant post for Gatineau on most plaform so I put it in location if people only look pic and phone number and nothing else well it there problem I did my part.

Saw her for the second time today and plan on making it a bi-weekly thing amazing young woman definitely make sure you leave happy and satisfied .

It took three attempts, but I finally managed to meet this lady. SHE IS AWESOME! Well worth the effort to meet!

I have seen her in Edmonton a few times, unfortunately not since she had her additions made.

Has anyone ever tried anything like furyou.com or bushbalm.com?

Reading the thread "Best way to say no" to a stripper got me thinking about my recent trip to Ottawa. During my trip I visited the strip clubs 4 times, twice I went with co-workers, and twice I found myself killing time so I went alone. During these 4 visits I/we got varied responses from the girls. We got the girls who we weren't interested in and had to polietly send them away, we had some girls come over that we were happy to see so we spent some money on dances, but the most frustrating part was when you see a beautiful girl that you would love to get a dance from but you can't seem to get her to notice you. I am not a fan of simply walking over and bluntly asking for a dance. If you do that the girl will say yes but it's straight to the back room, she dances a couple songs and it's all over with barely a word said between you. I personally prefer a little bit of conversation maybe a little flirting before heading into the back, it just makes the expierence more pleasureable. So I ask, How do you get noticed by strippers in the club?

Yes. She is a very nice lady and fun to be with. I would recommend.

This has happened to me as well, and not just by text. Often I see this with email and pm inquiries as well. I understand that there are a lot of tire kickers out there who are just looking for conversation and may never actually book. Really, I understand that. I'm not looking for a pen pal, but a response that shows a bit of interest is nice. I don't even mind if it is a copy/paste answer with a quick customization. (that's what I would do.) Replies that are less than 3 words long (often shortened versions of words because 'you' takes way too long to type out) that don't even answer all of my questions make me loose interest quickly. I feel like I'm disturbing them by showing interest in them, and that is the wrong way for me to start. I have moved on in these situations on a few occasions.