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Johnny, I looked back at your earlier posts too, and I think part of the difficulty with them is it doesn't come across like you've clearly stated in prior communication your intention to proceed with certain activities. You say things such as letting a lady know that you "like to please", "I state before that I enjoy it", and "I never state it has to happen". I'm not sure that's the same as asking if an activity is allowed. And phrased like that, I don't think the onus is on the lady to say it isn't or assume you have an agreement. Especially since clearly many MA's think it not part of their profile. Can you see how MA's--who have chosen specifically to offer an MA experience--may rightfully assume they don't have to proactively say No? That implying you like something and not getting a No is not the same as getting a Yes? Based on what people are saying, some MA's may indeed be open to discussing/allowing more. But clearly many do not and view such activities as outside their role. If indeed the line is blurred, is it not that much more important to be certain beforehand rather than potentially misread the situation? I think the issue here is you believe you have asked permission and been given consent, but that is not clear. Even in your own words it sounded like you thought it was, at best, implied. Comments like "if a lady leads me to it...", and "I've always taken it as an invitation especially if I told her I like it..." or "There have been times when the lady said during the booking 'no' so I wouldn't even dream of tempting my luck". Can you see how that comes across as not having clear consent or prior agreement, for otherwise how would it ever be "tempting your luck?" Why need to wonder if it was an invitation? How would it ever "backfire?" Maybe this is not how you meant it. Maybe it was a poor choice of words. But phrased the way you did it's easy to see how it reads as pushing boundaries and not "false advertisement".

In all fairness to Lycrathong, it was these comments that were made that had me react. They are from another member. This thread may have gone off topic, but these remarks concerned me. It may make some feel uncomfortable, but it needs to be addressed. 'Well I apologize if I offended anyone. In my personal opinion, if a lady performing a body slide has her lady parts on all the way on my face and lips, i've always taken it as an invitation especially if I told her I like that. Honestly, it only backfired on me once so far." As well as.... "Quite frankly, there are also some MA that take bodyslide so far, that one has to wonder if thats not what she is asking for." When I first started, I had no idea what a body slide was or how to even do one. It took time to learn to move my body this way. Sure enough though, along came someone knowing this, and asked me to preform a reverse body slide during our session. I was awkward to say the very least. Before I knew it, he tried to hold me in place and take advantage. There have been other events, but that one stands out the most in predatory behavior. It's unfortunate, but does exist. Since I do come from a time before the new definitions were put in place, I would describe my session as the standard. I had never heard of a Hybrid MA until this past year. My understanding of Hybrid MA is that more may be offered, but not to be expected. The question was for an MA offers xxxx. Shouldn't a provider at least have the opportunity to make this decision in person? What if oral health is not up to standard? Is she still expected to provide this service, because she consented beforehand? Will he give a reference? If a name is mentioned in a public thread, will others now expect this? There is so much to consider for the provider to ensure her health and well being. I may be old fashioned, but whatever happened to meeting someone first, respect her guidelines, and then to inquire if she's open to more for the next visit? It's a little extra effort, but isn't it worth it in the long run? Many thanks to the gentleman that have contributed to this delicate subject. It takes courage to take a stand to what others may brush under the rug.

Well said.

If you ever encounter any sort of problems with anyone while working, anything ranging from sexual assault to theft, intimidation, abuse, harassment, threats, stalking or anything else, and want to talk directly to a female officer who will listen and help (if you want it), here is the name of an Ottawa officer who has been helpful to sex workers in the past: Sergeant Patricia Ferguson Sexual Assault Section Tel. 613-236-1222, ext. 5463 Or, to anonymously report to the police any kind of bad behaviour you've experienced: Bad Date Line Call 1-800-303-5407 - anonymously. http://www.ottawapolice.ca/en/ServingOttawa/SectionsAndUnits/saca/baddateline.aspx From Ottawa Police Services: Working in the sex trade can make you a vulnerable target, and predators count on the fact that you may not report crimes against you. We need your help to identify and track serial and predatory offenders. The anonymous reporting system is for individuals victimized while engaging in the sex trade. By calling the toll free number (1-800-303-5407), you will be prompted to leave a message regarding the details of your assault along with as much of an offender description as possible. Information gathered could be the missing link needed in identifying a serial predator. The anonymous and free Bad Date Line gives you an opportunity to report sexual and physical assault without revealing your identity. For more information about the Ottawa Bad Date Line, download their pamphlet (PDF, 206k). The Ottawa Police Service understands the desire of victims to remain anonymous and supports the Bad Date Line in an effort to identify potential serial offenders preying upon victims who they believe will not report the attack to police. The Bad Date Line does not subscribe to caller ID and no attempts will be made to identify callers. It is preferred that victims contact police directly to report an assault so that a proper investigation can be conducted and ensure a predator is removed from the street. Ottawa Police treat all victims fairly and equitably. If you wish to speak with an officer regarding an assault or receive more information regarding the investigation process, you may contact the Sexual Assault Unit directly at 613-236-1222, ext. 5944.

As someone who has always respected your voice, experience and insight, I look forward to part two.

It is a criminal offence to purchase sexual services in this country. Full stop. Until that changes, 'clients' - who are overwhelmingly men - expose themselves to risks that could have life changing consequences and perhaps that factors into a subconscious desire for some to want to get the most bang for their buck while minimizing their exposure to perceived risk. Just a thought.

Happy birthday Ms. Manda. Bet you are glad you were not not born two weeks later or you would only get half the gifts! Enjoy your special day, spoil yourself and let everyone spoil you too!

Happy Birthday :)

Happy birthday Ms Manda!

I believe I prefer morning if possible. I believe most men perform better in the morning as the body removes a lot of toxins while you are a sleep and allows the man to last longer and think better in how to maneuver.

She is a member here as well: https://www.lyla.com/vbulletin/member.php?u=114784 Attractive pics. Seems like she lives in New Brunswick but travels here regularly.

Happy belated birthday MsManda. Hope you had an amazing day. Mikey

Fun, fun, fun with Catherine is all I can say. Loves to kiss and make you feel right good. Go see her. I can't wait for my next visit.

I feel that while Lyla was affected by legal changes, it has successfully adapted and continues to thrive despite those changes, as it continues to meet the needs of the vast majority of its members. Yes there were some inevitable growing pains for the board when the new and faulty legislation was introduced to control sex work. New rules were quickly introduced on the board, restricting the use of certain vocabulary and postings explicitly referring to sexual acts. Yes, we lost a few members along the way. And yes a number of other members became more circumspect or reticent to post their recommendations and other views. Initially the pendulum had a negative effect on the board as it swung towards caution and less openness between members, but as in other life situations when major change occurs quickly, the pendulum has begun to swing back gradually towards renewed openness and sharing between members. The one exception might be, that it is only a minority of members who now share recommendations about their experiences with SPs and MPs they have visited. That is an unfortunate and worrying trend for Lyla's future growth potential; as recommendations are perhaps one of the key elements drawing new members to the board for the first time. But, Lyla has survived and found new strength thanks to the common sense leadership at the top by our tireless and infinitely patient Mod and by the hundreds of its members who support him/or her and his advisors. Growing pains do not happen without, well ''pain'', disagreements and frustration along the way; but these things gradually have a way of working themselves out, as they have done amazingly well on our board. Client members continue to realize that Lyla is the only place on the internet where they can easily find many many beautiful and reputable SPs, MPs and dancers of all shapes and sizes; offering services just about any man could dream of. Most of these providers have positive recommendations under their belts (on in their sexy panties) and provide a wealth of information about themselves, their services and their personalities. You can also get to know them by reading their useful threads and postings on Lyla. Other sites, which I will leave unnamed, are expanding minefields of frauds, misrepresentation, B&S, money down the drain, mountains of regrets and seas of frustration for their many clients, known for their incessant whining and gnashing of teeth about how they were deceived and robbed of their hard earned income. It's like the guy, stumbling down the steps of a seedy bar in the wrong side of town, at 3 in the morning, who decides to take a leisurely shortcut down the darkest alley around; who when he is mugged and has his wallet stolen complains bitterly to his buddies tear drops spoiling his full mug of cheap beer. Boo hoo! And all the queries and discussion about such disreputable sites on our board is largely negative and unfortunately takes away the well-deserved and more logically attention, which we should be investing towards the legitimate and reputable providers who are members of Lyla. Not just our attention and interest, but our ongoing patronage too! In the past I have also contributed to the discussion about those other sites on Lyla, but I will cease to do so now! Lyla is also unique and irreplaceable for its members for another important reason. It is the last bastion of respectful, frank and civil communications and information sharing between sex workers and their clients that I know of in Canada. While discussions get out of line once in awhile on Lyla, I have found that to be the rare exception and not the rule. When things get a little too personal or out of whack; invariably a member will step in diplomatically to call for a truce and a return to harmonious and friendly relations. And mysteriously and magically -- poof, the tiff is over. Lyla is a recommendation board and not a review board as we all know, which sets it apart from all of its other review based competitors. While some members would prefer the green light to speak up about negative and/or disappointing experiences; a view I first held when I joined the board; after a few years of observation, participation and reflection about the day to day and long-term of goings-on of the board; I am now convinced it was a very wise decision by the founders of board to discourage negative content and commentary. This simple and yet radical decision has ensured that the board and its content did not degenerate into the cesspool other sites have become with their constant backbiting, personal attacks, open hostility, disrespect and extreme misogyny towards sex workers. Lyla is the only such board I have found on the net, which while not perfect by any means; collectively strives for a higher level of civility and camaraderie that is sadly in decline in almost every corner of our society! It is also a wonderful and diverse resource of helpful information for clients and providers alike, about sexuality, humour, real life experiences; as well as advice on movies, food, accommodation, travel, technology...and on and on. Every day I go on the board, I am gobsmacked by the intelligent, thoughtful, informative and altruistic commentary by many senior members and by others doing their small part in making this a better, safer and informative place for all than it already is. I have learned tremendously from you all and from your generous contributions, and I thank you all sincerely for this gift! Long live Lyla I say! Don't focus on its few and insignificant defects and instead celebrate the overwhelmingly positive and progressive influence it continues to have in improving the understanding, respect and common interests between our many beautiful and amazing SPs, MPs and dancers; and the majority of us extremely handsome, charming and irresistible creatures of the male species! Nor do I wish to ignore by the preceding comment, the many other permutations and combinations of sexual and/or sensual intercourse and expression, nor the equally charming, intelligent and exceptional human beings involved in such pleasant advanced mathematics! ''Vive Lyla....Vive Lyla Libre!''...as Charlie DeGal once declared from a Quebec city balcony in the 1960ies....or something to that effect!

she's legit ! easy location to find. pics are very accurate ! will say this ( I'm a dog lover ) she has a puppy and Megan does put her puppy in her kennel.... still a little on the loud side... cute puppy too !

Caterina, the spirit of your post is very well said and your points absolutely valid, but in Lycrathong's defense I don't think he personally argued or even meant to imply a woman's absolute right to her body or her restrictions should be compromised for the sake of business. There seemed to be a number of conversations going on, and I believe he was responding to a couple sentences in one specific post. Whether that poster meant to imply enjoyment played no part and it is only about the money I don't want to theorize about, as I don't mean to distract things from what is a worthwhile conversation. There is a very important discussion happening here, but I think some comments and posters are perhaps getting crossed, and to be fair to Lycrathrong I don't think it was any of his posts that implied doing anything without prior and explicit consent. More generally: This thread started with one quarry and evolved into something more. I don't think that is necessarily a bad thing, as there are issues ladies face on a daily basis that--as much as us guys may wish to think otherwise--we can be blind to. When so many people speak up about an issue it's worth taking a step back from what your gut response might be and try to listen to the intent of the argument and the experiences being shared. As hard as it can be not to feel defensive or attacked, one can try to understand the frustration women are feeling and rightfully expressing. Self reflection and consideration of these kind of issues is important, especially for those of us that take part in this. Hopefully we can keep listening to each other with empathy, to really hear and try to appreciate the experiences and frustration being shared. And to do better.

I am fairly new to this board and hobby. And I just do not get this thread at all, I am an older guy, and my parents taught me to respect women. (they taught me to respect everyone, every race and every gender) Respect is very simple, listen and adhere to what is being told to you. If you respect women then crossing their boundaries should never ever happen! No matter what you may think, if it is discussed in previous exchanges and the answer is no, then quite frankly NO MEANS NO, and to violate that is akin to assault on any level. Even if it was not discussed, do not assume anything. Making assumptions simply means believing things are a certain way with little or no evidence that shows you are correct, and you can see at once how this can lead to terrible trouble. In Short, if not discussed don't do it, if discussed and not allowed, don't cross the line. SM007

The most triggering thing for bros who came up here with personal attacks is the realization that a rapist/sex offender is not the big boogey man hiding in dark alleys waiting for a prey. No darling, the bad guy is you who "test their luck" or who are "sorry after the fact". When you push/don't respect sexual boundaries: you are a sexual predator. When you engage in a certain sexual act without having first obtain permission: that is a sexual assault. When you insist on sexual favours by saying other ladies do, or "I'll give you a great review: that's sexual coercion. If you are going to fight me on this, at last please make an effort to not sound like a rapist apologist. Also, please try to make it not all about your ego.

This thread is really upsetting, and I want to thank all of the service providers (both massage attendants and escorts) that have participated in it. What saddens (and enrages) me most is that what some of the clients in this thread have admitted to doing is something that happens all of the time, even by 'well-intentioned' and 'good' guys. So many men, in general, 'test their luck', push boundaries, and assume they can 'give us compliments' (cat calls), 'touch us' without our consent (a form of sexual assault), or 'have sex with us' because we 'were asking for it' (rape). My boundaries are clearly stated on my website. I don't offer anal play on me, ever. Yet quite frequently as a man is going down on me he will lick my asshole without asking me first, or try to stick a finger in my ass while we are doing 69. When I react badly, they say "oh, but your asshole looks so inviting" or "oh, I didn't realize that", or "but it looked like you were enjoying it." This has happened with clients who have amazing references sometimes. Guys simply don't realize that it is NOT OK to do this without asking first. Furthermore, sometimes, when I've reacted badly, they've actually tried to do it again. In the times that this has happened I have stopped the session and simply stated "if you continue doing this, even after I've said no multiple times, I want you to realize that what you're doing constitutes sexual assault." They lose their boner and go home feeling like I'm an angry feminist, and I don't give a fuck. Any sex worker can offer any service they'd like, as long as those services are negotiated in advance and consensual. Don't assume complacency is consent. On my website I say I don't offer anal play on me, but if I didn't stop the client they would continue, and this is still a violation of my boundaries and constitutes sexual assault. Not all sex workers feel comfortable saying no to clients because they fear reprisal, bad reviews, or an escalation in the assault (licking my asshole could turn into raping me, if I protest too loudly). Please seek out ENTHUSIASTIC consent from sex workers you meet. Never "test your luck" or assume you can do things without pre-negotiating first. Also, don't assume that all sex workers are good at negotiating consent face-to-face. Make ALL of your desires known BEFORE meeting with your sex worker of choice. It took me a long time to feel powerful enough to say 'no' to men who were doing things to me that made me feel uncomfortable. Women, in general, aren't taught how to do this. Keep that in mind.

I have to agree with Mature Angela. Stating that she is a popular provider will only pique people's curiosity and it isn't helpful to her if this information becomes public knowledge associated with her. It will only bring her further down, the absolute last thing she needs. I'm speaking from experience, almost 8 years clean. I think it's pretty great that you are so understanding of her situation, but let's be honest... Most clients are NOT and in my experience fellow SPs can be even worse. If her name is outed, she will most likely never escape the stigma attached with addiction whether she gets clean for a long period of time or not. Therefore I don't feel that this is an appropriate thread for this board in particular. Also... addiction is addiction. There is no type that is better or worse.

I think that there is something hot and sexy about seeing a woman in her fluffy PJ'S or a simple see thru baby doll. Here is an example:

Assuming I know who you're talking about (and I think I do): she's indy, and therefore entirely at liberty to provide whatever services she pleases. A MA working in a spa is probably subject to more in the way of rules about what she should and shouldn't do, although I'm sure it varies significantly. If you don't want to touch that one with a 50-foot pole, there was no need to bring it up in the first place. And yet you did...

I don't need coffee, but morning fun without food makes me super cranky.. As a tiny person who can never seem to gain enough weight, I need the food for the energy, lol. ;)

This is an interesting post. :) I guess there are "morning people" and then there are the "later people". I have always considered myself a morning person. Is there no greater way to start your day then spending some quality time with a lovely woman enjoying one of the most pleasurable workouts one can have? It has been my experience that finding someone to for an early appointment is difficult. It is not something that is usually included in the ad. When contacted, I am usually told that the first appointment is 11 am or later. There certainly may be a marketing opportunity here. I also agree that a client cannot expect the presentation at a 7 am appointment to be the same as a 9 pm appointment. One would expect that some effort would be put into presenting ones self to a client but I would not expect full blown makeup and hair with evening gown and high heels. Remember, some people cannot function at all in the morning until they have that first coffee. I am not one of them but I do understand.

"Backfired on you" like you didn't bother to obtain her consent first? When you go to the stripclub and get a private dance, do you also assume that you can put your mouth on her genitals because she has it at 2 inches of your face and that you have previously told her that you like to lick pussy? Does the fact that you have stated your preferences makes you entitled to them? You do realize that you just self-admitted to have committed a sexual assault, right?

I replied Yes but actually I should have said Yes but on the weekend only. Mind you that if I would ever see a lady during a weekday morning breakfast would be great too !

Someone can totally correct me if I'm wrong, but-- I'm pretty sure that's not your typical massage service and is something you'll probably have to look to an escort or fetish provider for.

"not just something to rush through before work" was really all I meant. A lot of guys don't like being rushed through a date, makes them feel like we're only doing it for the money, and I'm just not a fan of being rushed through a date either. Personally, it makes me feel kinda whoreish (& while I don't mind being one, I'm not so much into spending time with people who make me feel like one.. well, in a bad way anyways, lol.) ;) Those are obviously just my personal feelings and preferences though- and I'm not claiming or assuming other Companions/Sex Workers share my thoughts or feelings on such, I only 100% know my own feelings and what's best for me.

There are several places for breakfast here, many open early during the week.. Capital Diner, Eddy's, The Scone Witch, Jacks, Wilf & Adas, Elgin St Diner, Gina's Cafe, Bread and Sons, Coras and Bramasole Diner.. just to name a few off the top of my head. Honestly though, I was thinking of breakfast/morning dates like an actual date.. not just something to rush through before work.

What exactly are you implying? ..

Weekday breakfast options in Ottawa are a little limited for early risers, when I worked at 7am I would occasionally get breakfast before. Perkins, Denny's and Al's were the only places open at 6am.

Visited this SP 2 weeks ago. Had great experience she told me that she visits kingston area , and she is from Toronto. Cant seem to find her and her phone number is not in service..any idea if she changed name or number and working? https://www.adultlook.com/p/2615888?skip_terms=1 HEr old ad is active in backpage in toronto area but not in kingston area http://toronto.postfastr.com/FemaleEscorts/incalls-only-markham-hwy7-satisfy-ur-craving-toe-curling-mouth-watering-mind-bl-ing-skills/90682467

I just saw your ad over in the other board and really liked that you offered social options for meetings over lunch and dinner, though breakfast is by far my favorite meal of the day. Yes for sure! I also would not expect a made-up face over breakfast, in fact I've always preferred the 'less-is-more' approach to makeup. Great idea! Sent from my SGH-I747M using Tapatalk

I definitely did offer in the past some early morning dates between 6-10am with a minimum from 90 minutes at a discount WITH brekkie included. I stop offering it cause too many people show up without even a coffee. and too many people expecting full make up and dressing. Im not waking up at 430 to put a full face a make up But personally I still love when people see me at early at like 8 am

Great topic! I love early mornings . If I am acquainted with you I am ready at 7 AM.

Sex, it's the breakfast of champions. That's all I have to say. I totally enjoy having breakfast with a fine lady and I would book a date for breakfast for sure.

I am fully in favour of breakfast dates. Is there a better way to start off the day than in the company of a lovely person, engaged in where ever our conversation takes us?

I as well enjoy an early morning walk, I work from home and am usually up at 530, which gives me an early start on the day. I can get plenty accomplished in the first hour and then a nice walk. By 7:30 I am ready for a nice breakfast and ready to get on with the day. Very Good Idea Parker

I vote a resounding YES to this. I'm an early riser by nature and although I can set my own hours, I generally like to be working at 7AM. Being up early means there is time to go in a little later if I like, so that I can enjoy things like a leisurely breakfast, or a walk, or any other activity. Great idea Parker. :)

Interesting question, in fact this is one of my favorite activities.

The beauty of a kiss. Oh how I love to kiss when the moment presents itself. Ideally, I prefer the spontaneity of the unexpected between myself and my partner. If I find the one I'm with a little shy, I initiate by leaning in and perhaps a brush on the lips to see if it's reciprocated. Tender kisses feel like whispers of the breath and enhance the closeness between two people. In general I don't mind if I am asked ahead, but do prefer to just embrace the moment when we meet. The kiss is the welcome and the parting. Understanding body language and communication are key. Mind you, that's just my thoughts on kissing. With the right partner, it's wonderful.