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Ya, I was talking about Federal Law, not the Ottawa or Ontario regulations. I know that some places are officially sanctioned by the City and others have worked around that. The fact that the two are wildly inconsistent simply reflects how screwed up the whole sorry mess has become. The problem here is that we live in the world we're in, and we have to deal with human nature as it is. There are plenty of decent people out there, but there are enough assholes to be a problem, and that won't change. That issue is by no means unique to this industry. We have to collectively figure out what to do about it. To go off on a slight tangent for a moment... from my perspective, one of the most striking things about all we've heard since Weinstein is that general and non-specific descriptions of abuse have been replaced by specific ones. The power of that transition is not to be underestimated: a specific accusation by one person against another, even if it isn't then followed by many others backing it up to demonstrate a pattern of behaviour, is far more persuasive than generic statements that really bad stuff happens. That transition can't happen here as the board rules prevent it, but... I get the impression that the latter part of your paragraph above alludes to the possibility of providers pursuing prosecutions against clients for sexual assault, or worse. Is that right? If so - and being fully aware of that old saw about being careful what you wish for - would it be a very bad thing if that shoe dropped? It would *really* send the message that no, you can't do this, and there will be consequences if you try it, and the days when you could get away with it are over. I'm sure that would change the calculus for those who may feel inclined to try. And it would replace the general descriptions of abuse with specific ones. Of course, that's not something to be done lightly, and the law of unintended consequences undoubtedly applies, but I can see how it could be to the industry's long-term benefit. Additional Comments: Bearing that in mind... Perhaps we also need to try and get away from terms like "full service". Clearly defining boundaries is great... but it relies on everyone understanding the same thing by the words used, and if that isn't happening then there will be problems even if everyone's trying to do the right thing. Please, nobody try and hijack this thread with a debate about what GFE means.

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Thank you Cat for bringing up this important conversation. I still remember when I provided massage rates. I would explain to a client that this was a happy ending. One client in particular said "I don't want intercourse" a number of times. So I thought he understood. However, as I was massaging him, he lifted his head up and licked my pussy. I stood back to use body language that this was not ok. As I again went to massage him, he did it again. I stopped and said "it looks like you want full service. Daty is not included." He again said "I don't want intercourse". So, his opinion is that full service means intercourse. My opinion is full service means any of my openings. Mouth, pussy or anus. I stopped saying no Greek and spelling out "no anal services" because so many thought that meant their penis. However their finger or tongue were ok. There is a push from clients for more and more for less and less. I do notice that the prolific reviewers typically rarely are ideal clients. It feels to me anyway that there are those that view sw's as a piece of meat they can use as they wish. Ideal clients are clear on boundaries. Consent must always be enthusiastic and continual. On both sides. So many providers grit their teeth and don't speak up during a session where the client has crossed the boundary. I've seen this myself, so know it happens. As a client, please make sure boundaries are clearly defined BEFORE the session begins. As a provider, please don't allow clients to get services from you that you don't want to provide. You have the right and obligation to say no. Clients must also speak out when they hear other guys say things that are clearly not ok.

I simply do not understand why anyone who would want to meet someone who would want to offer an unsafe service nor someone who would devalue themselves by offering themselves by negotiating their advertised rates. Yes....red flags! But if certain punters are willing to take the risk then these women will continue this dangerous practice and expect the rest of us to conform. It's simple...block the jerks who contact yòu that do not have respect for what you offer and move on. I know it's frustrating and I understand your plight but some people just need to push the boundaries to feel that they àre in control. Sad.

Hi lady and gent, Is it me or low baler and people asking for bare sex is more and more frequent? Is it me who is becoming less patient or it becoming a real problem? Just today I block 5 person from asking bare sex or/and barging...on top of people not reading ad !!! Sorry guess just need to vent a little.

I totally agree have been an SP for many years off and on. But in the last year this negotiations and or asking for Bare everything has become out of control. I have never been asked these two questions so much but in the past year. My guess to why is once one lady offered it than it all began to fall apart. This industry was a diamond on a ruff before it became so main stream. Now i do understand if a SP wants to give a regular client a deal once and a while but for someone you never seen before to ask you to cut your already reasonable rate in half is ridiculous. It really is becoming so frustrating but hopefully as time goes on we can fix things to accommodate the rest of us who still take pride in what we offer and do a good job at it. Sorry rant over!

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The big orange bigot has his moment in the sun. I expect the experience is about to get more interesting.

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I'm not looking for or intending any type of back and forth unless in a civilized manner. Phaedrus made ultra valid points on his post in regards to exotic love. His points are well stated and well written in a very respectful manner that would make even Plato proud. I realize MAs who don't offer more than a HE may also agree with the points made by the OP and in the subsequent post. Other than that, I only see SPs posting on this thread having an issue with who offers what services. I will use this term in the most respectful manner possible, sincerely. Why does it appear that only SPs are seemingly the ones feeling entitled to offering what they feel are SP only services yet at the same time feel they can offer massage and strip tease? Even SPs do/offer/render HEs yet opinions are being made that this is all MAs should offer. I don't agree and I've only had two MA visits. Like Phaedrus stated; if this makes me a "bad person", a part of or the problem itself in thinking this way, so be it. :) We are all entitled to our opinions. My personal belief on all of this is that between fully consenting legal adults, regardless of gender and number of participants (in or outside of the industry), will never be free of opinions but should be free of public judgement. In the end, as previously stated by GoinDown, who are any of us, all being in this industry, to publicly judge anyone.

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Those of us who have websites, twitter and instagram often post it in our ads. I don't want defensive clients who are nervous and "terrified" if I am real or not because they've made poor choices before. It's not a nice power dynamic having to convince and prove you are real to very skeptical and scared potential clients. If someone can't tell that I'm real when I have pro photos, selfies, my website, my twitter, and instagram in my ad then they aren't the client for me. I have plenty of gents who are happy to find that I am real and clicking another link in the ad really isn't that much work. Most people do not bother to look at every single photo in the ad either because they're browsing on their phone. So going out and buying a paper to take a pic every day to try and get the few lazy guys who won't click a website or be able to discern someone real vs a fake ad seems like a low ROI.

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He never stopped campaigning and spends more time on Twitter and golf courses than actually working on his policies. If he won, not sure anyone told him. LOL

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