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She advertised her escort services with the same number she's been using (for a long time) for her personal life?

So I went to visit Hailey the other day. http://halifax.backpage.ca/FemaleEscorts/bombshell-blonde-barbie-doll-hailey-highly-reviewed-recommended-on-lyla/2789428 I've seen a few reviews on her, and that she is in a little bit of a questionable neighbourhood. That is true but as said by others the building is fine and her apartment is clean and nice. She is a total pornstar package. Her pics are completely ligit. If you like the spinner type then you will love her. Hailey gets very into it and likes to put on a good show for her guests. I was there for 30mins and she made it worth every minute. I would recommend her to any one wondering if shes as she seems on BP. If you want further details feel free to PM me. Take care.

She's not great looking and terrible at her job I just left an hour appointment early because I couldn't stand to be there any longer, and her friend was there b4 and after I left my appointment.. talk about discreet..on a plus note her friend looked worth seeing but I'm never going to repeat that horrible experience again .. but like said might try her friend she was atlease sexy looking lol

I guess I agree with the advice that has been offered above but I'll add a different perspective. While an awkward dynamic might get in the way of your delivery business (could be sort of sexy turn-on too! lol) I think that discretion is somewhat assured by the 'MAD' (mutually assured destruction) principle. Not completely 'assured' - that is reserved for death and taxes. There is another possibility: maybe she is unaware that a number has been used for both businesses. She may not fully comprehend the long term memory of the internet or just goofed up posting an add - two or three glasses of wine can make me impulsive and silly! lol She might really appreciate the heads-up that she has cross-linked her businesses and you both get to have some fun while making her aware. I had something similar happen with a very active and well reviewed member here - her email account for escorting somehow got linked to her personal email and her name would appear when I went to reply to her. I warned her but didn't hear back (turned out she didn't want to acknowledge anything over email) so I went to visit her again and ensure she was taking action to fix this. She really appreciated my concern and discretion and we had an absolutely lovely time. I think she is semi-retired now but writing this has inspired me to arrange another visit if she's still working.

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Good suggestions Kilt Boy - the more work the picture thieves have to do to use your pictures the less likely they'll be stolen. Not that it's any consolation Blonde Doll, but don't forget to be flattered that she stole your picks!

Putting your name in the photos is a great step, but is obviously not enough. Add your city and phone number as well.

I'd pull a U-turn and explore elsewhere. I want to keep an airtight seal between my hobby life and my regular life. On the flipside, who says that lady doesn't have an incall place and wants to keep her living place confidential? Some ladies are very sensitive (with obvious reasons) about this... Contacting her for services would be skating on very thin ice, in mho.

Stopped in Friday 12/22 to spread some Christmas Cheer with those I have spent a lot of time with off and on this year. Only four or five dancers present around 7pm. So l played tag between the mandatory stage requirements. Still a good time. All the best to Barbs dancers, staff and patrons. See yah next year.

While potentially a hot (but cliche - sorry) scenario, I would avoid. Keep it simple, professional & cordial. Things could get complicated if for example, you both expect concessions from each other on your services. While enjoyable to think about - it may be just that ... "enjoyable".

Do you really want to get in an awkward situation and then wish you could go back in time? It's a tough decision to make, first you already know how she looks and she knows you, will it always stay a comfortable situation when you will see her in the future in your professional life? If you decide to go ahead with it which I would not myself, I would advise her that things would remain the same as before when you meet her on your delivery route.

I highly recommend Madison, she claims to be the best mouth in the city and after a couple of visits with her I have a agree. She is orally gifted and really tries to be the best at what she does. Best blow job I have had, she made me cum twice the first time I was with her.

Hmmmmm... I would avoid. Don't mix up thing, in case you end up with an issue. It's a big risk!

Maybe if you go ahead with it and don't say anything, maybe she won't say anything either! That could be exciting, but since you don't know her reaction, a little risky too. (Those things left unsaid..)

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Yes, it's a scam site. Let me guess, they have escorts that are NOT busted if you want to join/pay their site.

It is not the first time that you bring up entitlement. In the Facesitting thread, you even said that SPs are reacting to the issue out of jealousy. If you want to talk in a civilized manner, that would be great if you keep the misogynistic stereotypes out of the discussion. As the SP who hijacked the Facesitting thread to call out the problematic, here's my point of view: I am an escort, I offer full service and my rates are established accordingly. MAs and Dancers will generally charge much less than an escort, yet they physically work A LOT harder. Giving a full body massage for an hour or dance all evening on a stage is physically highly demanding, a lot more than just sex and pillow talks. Escorts do a great deal of emotional labour, but so are the MAs and Dancers. Yet they choose this area of the sex industry regardless. Why? Physical boundaries, avoid stigma associated with full service workers, don't like to be touched by strangers, their SO not comfortable with their partner offering full service, physical limitations, etc. As an escort who's minimal introduction starts at $800, it doesn't add up in my head why a MA would charge $150 or so to work her ass off, only to end up providing the service of a SP. I think it is highly unfair to them. No, I don't think anyone is stealing labour from me. I have mentioned in the Facesitting thread that everyone are entitled to provide services they are comfortable with, but Cat made me changed my mind: if a MA wants to provide more than a HJ, she should not be doing so in a massage parlour, but in a hotel room. New, unexperienced MAs who just joined the business probably think it's the industry standard to offer extras. I therefore don't think massage providers do offer them out of greed and/or selfishness.

Ya, I was talking about Federal Law, not the Ottawa or Ontario regulations. I know that some places are officially sanctioned by the City and others have worked around that. The fact that the two are wildly inconsistent simply reflects how screwed up the whole sorry mess has become. The problem here is that we live in the world we're in, and we have to deal with human nature as it is. There are plenty of decent people out there, but there are enough assholes to be a problem, and that won't change. That issue is by no means unique to this industry. We have to collectively figure out what to do about it. To go off on a slight tangent for a moment... from my perspective, one of the most striking things about all we've heard since Weinstein is that general and non-specific descriptions of abuse have been replaced by specific ones. The power of that transition is not to be underestimated: a specific accusation by one person against another, even if it isn't then followed by many others backing it up to demonstrate a pattern of behaviour, is far more persuasive than generic statements that really bad stuff happens. That transition can't happen here as the board rules prevent it, but... I get the impression that the latter part of your paragraph above alludes to the possibility of providers pursuing prosecutions against clients for sexual assault, or worse. Is that right? If so - and being fully aware of that old saw about being careful what you wish for - would it be a very bad thing if that shoe dropped? It would *really* send the message that no, you can't do this, and there will be consequences if you try it, and the days when you could get away with it are over. I'm sure that would change the calculus for those who may feel inclined to try. And it would replace the general descriptions of abuse with specific ones. Of course, that's not something to be done lightly, and the law of unintended consequences undoubtedly applies, but I can see how it could be to the industry's long-term benefit. Additional Comments: Bearing that in mind... Perhaps we also need to try and get away from terms like "full service". Clearly defining boundaries is great... but it relies on everyone understanding the same thing by the words used, and if that isn't happening then there will be problems even if everyone's trying to do the right thing. Please, nobody try and hijack this thread with a debate about what GFE means.

@phaedrus - Yes, in Ontario at least the legal standing is that HE is legal in a spa but the spa needs a municipal business license which are limited in number and grandfathered in. This is why private members clubs have started. There was a spa who took on the legal fight and won years ago. I agree its in human nature to push and be self centered but it doesn't mean we have to. We can do better and we need to. Anyone who believes that their wants/needs trump all else consistently contribute to the abuse SWs experience as a whole. Each and everyone in the industry needs to realize that or else things will turn. Out providers will eventually start considering legal options. I've sat and listened to multiple no brand Dancers and MAs discuss it and the truth is that these women make up the bulk of workers in the industry. It would only take a small number of these women cooperating with LE to ensure industry wide disruption due to legal entanglements. Trust me when I say it's being seriously considered here in Ottawa so LE may be highly motivated to start book throwing. @WIR I'm unsure where the conversation here could be considered uncivilized. Perhaps if you point it out, those who have offended would I'm sure be happy to apologize. Of course Phaedrus was clear, concise and on point. He is an exceptionally considerate, articulate and self aware man. I would expect no less from him in any conversation and we have had more conversations over the years than I can count. As for your comment regarding MAs contributing here, perhaps you are unaware of the way the spas work. Most MAs don't participate on the review boards accept to post ads, it's the owner/managers that are active and I don't expect any of them to step in here given their unethical business practices. I'd be surprised if 15% of MAs have ever read anything other than their own review threads. Providers choose Spas to maintain their anonymity, having an online presence in the sex trade is at best uncomfortable for them, participating in threads isn't one of their pastimes. I think what you are missing is that if any provider chooses to offer services, they are welcome to do it. They just should have the decency to respect the service divides. Any contract worker that provides extras are escorts so why don't they just go work for an escort agency? It makes no sense. Please trust me when I say this service bleed is resulting in acts that are in fact sexual assaults on a daily basis and rest assured, there will be backlash sooner than later. I'm unsure why you can't grasp that what I'm saying is that service bleeds has led to sex workers being regularly assaulted in these venues. You can't deny my claim and I can actually back it up with proof. I'm trying to inform this community that there need to be changes because there could be serious legal fall out coming. Why you insist you are standing on the high ground is disconcerting and speaks to the attitudes that lead to this problem to begin with. Being the problem is a truth whether you choose to see it or not. Even if you haven't crossed a boundary, your attitude empowers those that do. I appreciate you are entitled to your opinion just as it's my right to explain why your opinion contributes to the violence workers experience in this industry. As for the judgement statement, the fact that I am in this industry and I'm immersed in it wholly means if I can't speak to the aspects of the sex trade that are dangerous, who then can? Who is suppose to try to protect and ensure workers aren't violated but the workers themselves? Are clients to be our protectors, the voice of reason here? Many could be, judging from the pms I've received; they understand what I've been saying but I don't have anything to be ashamed of being a sex worker and being non judgemental doesn't mean "anything goes". Rapists, sexual harassers and boundary pushers aren't the weird, creepy guy living in secluded safety of his mothers basement. It's anyone who thinks their behaviour is acceptable after being told it isn't and anyone dismissing or denying violence is happening after being told that it is happening. I think that's a fairly simple concept to grasp. And I'm trying to tell you, it's happening. I'm unsure how to make it any more clear. smiles, cat Additional Comments: This is exactly the issue, it's a good read... http://www.myajc.com/news/local/cheetah-dancers-allege-sexual-assault-top-atlanta-strip-club/6udoC3nhtw2JXJM9uzv3vJ/

I work as an SP who offers massage services and have worked in a SC. I am going to agree with Cat. I really wish that while I was working in the SC, I was respected enough by clients and management, to ensure that only SC services were offered and received. The ladies who offered "take-out" made it so much harder for us who did not want to offer FS or BBBJs. Clients would always push boundaries and say "so-so" does it. Management would not care so long as LE didn't find out. Other then that, they did not do a thing to prevent it. If those ladies wanted to escort, they should have just done it like every other escort. When I offer a MA session, I will not allow SP services. Other then some light kissing and maybe a show of my breasts, it is a full massage with HE only. I won't even go as far as a BS because I think if you want the full MA experience you should go to a MPA for it. Sadly, clients, ladies and agents/management are never going to agree and therefore there will be "spas" that are basically incall agencies and "take-out" from SC. And SPs can certainly offer some of the related services of SC or MPA but for me, from me, it is a limited experience because if you want that full experience, I feel you should go where those are offered. I only offer a sample of those as well as my main FS SP session. Having said all that, the facesitting thread brought to light a major issue. Not necessarily about who should be doing what in the business. What was concerning is men feeling that they can "test the limits" by sticking their tongue on a lady's vagina without prior consent. The idea that the best way to get consent is by doing first instead of asking first is the main issue in my opinion. It seems really simple to me - if you want to try something with a SP, MA, or dancer - YOU ASK FIRST. Full stop. You don't try the physical act and wait to be told no. I think that is the shift that needs to happen in society. It has to change from trying and waiting for a no to asking and waiting to receive a yes.

The Whorephobia that the concept of a hybrid MA embraces is ludicrous and undermines the human rights we are fighting so hard to achieve. An MA that offers any services other than manual release is in fact an Escort, plain and simple. If it goes in a hole, any hole, that is full service. We are all sexworkers, there is no shame in being a full service provider. The issue I have here is ethics, SWs doing things that undermine their peers safety and security. As I explained, an escort (any provider that offers any kind of full service) can offer any services she is comfortable with but it's illegal and unethical to offer them in either a strip club, a massage parlour or club. Nicolette Vaughan clearly explains that in the facesitting thread that she offers both but she works alone and protects each service as individual offerings. I in fact, offer both; with a separate massage spa and a playroom for full service. As a independent escorts, that option isn't a problem because we are not undermining other providers either in price or adding the pressure to provide services outside of the service divide because we work alone AND we are full service escorts. Offering massage or dance isn't a problem as long as we consent to providing the services. Some of the opinions expressed in the OP and in part 2 of the subsequent post are suggesting if a client wants SP services (whatever comprises such) to only see an SP. If a client wants a massage to go to a MP and if one wants erotic dancing go to a Strip Club. I'm curious if any of these providers who posted on the previous thread feel at all targeted or agree with the OP's comments of being a part of or the problem itself? I don't see any reason anyone would feel targeted unless they know they are bleeding barrier divides (providing full service in spas and clubs) thus putting their peers in compromising situations. And if they are knowingly doing that, then they should be reflecting on their business practices and ethical position. They are on the wrong side of this and I'd be happy to sit down with pen and paper and show them exactly why. I guess another comment I don't quite agree with or fail to understand is the rational thinking behind the message stating MP owners/operators should fight for legal right or obtain a permit for providing anything more than a manual release. I may be unknowing so does such a permit exist? Do any SPs possess any type of permit for services they offer and render? Lastly, is the OP suggesting if a Provider offers massage sessions they should only offer this type of session at MPs, so no independent MAs or SPs should offer massage and SPs and MAs shouldn't offer Strip Tease? No, there is no permit to legally operate a brothel. It's illegal in every aspect. It would require criminal charges and pushing it through to a CSS challenge like Terry Bedford did. Then we would need to pray that the gov't in power made it legal instead of taking liberties away like they did with C36. So, the Spas and PMClubs allow full service while masquerading as legal enterprises when in fact what they are doing is illegal. They know what's happening and who it's happening with but they turn a blind eye. Only massage with manual release is legal in massage parlours and clubs. From a legal standpoint, owners who allow full service on site are endangering all of their contract workers if one of the workers is performing full service on site. Everyone in the location can be charged within common brothel laws; even the MA's who don't offer services and clients who don't receive them will charged as if they did and have to fight the charges in court to prove otherwise. From an ethical stance, owners are endangering their MA only providers ethically and legally. Even if they were to cover the legal costs of such fiasco, how do they repair the damage done with having a criminal record? They can't, you can't make the record of the charges disappear. But my concern isn't about the legal, it's about the day in day out abuse that SWs endure because of unethical clients and providers. Legally, independents can work independently and share space in small groups without issue for now but no one can own a business contracting workers and operating full service incall which includes strip clubs, spas and clubs. So, it's really quite simple. Independent sex workers can offer whatever services they are comfortable offering as long as they are in an independent location. Club contract workers, Dancers and MAs should offer what their location is legally in business to do. If a Dancer or MA wants to offer a client full service, take it off site into a separate location at an appropriate time. Not in the champaign rooms, not in the spa massage rooms. I hope this helps. smiles, cat

While the desire to ''get the most bang for the buck'' is understandable and legitimate, it should never involve pressuring or manipulating a provider to work outside of her comfort zone and boundaries, and must always involve clear and informed consent. It used to be that hockey players could just about kill each other on the ice, because it was considered a game, and as such outside of the purview of criminal prosecution as it was interpreted until relatively recently. As we all now know, the interpretation of the same Criminal Code today has resulted in a small number of hockey players being charged with assault. Following the ongoing Tsunami started by the Weinstein affair about sexual harassment of mostly women and what may be considered adequate consent; the societal goalposts have moved significantly on these issues. We can assume that the courts will interpret the laws on sexual assault and reasonable consent more stringently in line with the movement of public opinion in that same direction. The interpretation of laws by men and women who sit on the bench are guided by legal precedent, but also somewhat by the majority views of the population. I would guess that if we had taken the same survey of a random sampling of Canadian adults this time last year as we would today today, the views against those who sexually assault women have hardened significantly in that short period of time. And I would argue that the movement on that issue continues to move toward against any form of sexual harassment or assault. One only has to look at the Anti-harassment codes in the federal government, where an unwanted touching of a colleagues shoulder may result in a loss of employment. And such codes do not consider the intend of the accused when he touched his secretary's shoulder '' as a gesture of appreciation'', but more on how that gesture made the woman feel and whether she had consented to that specific touch prior to it happening. We can argue that the code makes it far too easy for false accusations to be made, but that is the direction such codes, regulations and laws are being written and interpreted. We can choose to ignore the shifting of these tectonic plates governing relations between men and women and act however we deem appropropriate, but the risks of such an approach are increasing quickly. So testing or pushing boundaries with a provider to see how far we can get, may now open that client being charged and convicted for sexual assault. But, more importantly, from an ethical point of view, the payment of money for sexual services should not in any way change the way we view consent and respect in our relations with SW's . Drawing on the arguments made by Cat in this regard, nothing should be assumed by a client when meeting a provider and unambiguous consent must be sought and obtained before doing something not already clearly agreed to. And even if agreed to beforehand, a provider may decide during the meeting to restrict certain services for a number of reasons, hence the expression YMMV. I would argue, that we men are able to know when we are about to go too far with a SP, MP or dancer. I can usually sense it by body language and facial expressions. I have known providers to give a physical signal, such as turning away or impeding access, which should be a clear enough signal we have already gone too far. But by that time the harm has been done, and a provider may legitimately feel that we have acted disrespectfully. Now, as clients we are happy when a provider is enthusiastic and shows warmth and genuine affection. But if disrespectful behaviour by clients occurs as little as 10% of all SP's and MP's appointments, let's say for argument; the emotional burden and suffering from being disrespected day after day, over a long period of time, not knowing when it will happen next, by potentially hundreds of different men; may have a cumulative effect that will force some women to quit the business, others to break down physically or emotionally, and for the majority to become hardened and more wary from these negative experiences. I don't know how we as clients can expect all SW's to be carefree, enthusiastic, and always horny and raring to go, if we know that they are subjected to demeaning behaviour on a daily basis. I don't know anyone who is subjected to disrespect in their workplace, if only by one person of authority, over a period of time who does not suffer greatly from a lack of self-esteem and and end up either severely depressed, forced to leave their job or worse. And this type of client-provider abuse must be serious and pervasive. One has just to look at the tweets of random providers to see how bad the situation is. As clients, we either bite the bullet, accept this is today's reality and actively do something to stop it, or we can continue to be a big part of the problem. While I would never think of the majority of men or male members of this board to be disrespectful in the way I have described, but we can still be active and part of the solution by supporting SW's rights and improved working and health care conditions, and by calling out other men who brag about how they pushed a vulnerable provider to provide the maximum mileage at the minimal cost and got all kinds of extras that she initially said she didn't provide. They should no longer find any website, bar, club house, locker room, water cooler or man cave where such pride in committing sexual assault will be tolerated, never mind encouraged. It will take guts and commitment, but change sometimes come one conversation or tiny action at a time. And for those of us who admit to have been disrespectful and taking advantage of the situation with SW's in the past, it is never too late to make amends and promise ourselves to do the honorable thing from now on.