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Good day gents! Its been multiple time where clients ask for their providers to give and /or receive bb oral/fs Can we stop a second and think about this.... We are in 2018. We are all adults. Yes you can catch and give std with oral sex. Maybe you are clean ... Or were as your provider wasnt. Or maybe you just passed it on to your provider...or your wife. Can we stop being blind to whats out there and think of the consequences of a simple act of pleasure ? Please, dont ask for "just an exception" or " come on im clean " . we (and i speak for all my ladies out there playing safe) we have decided to priorize our health. Respect us. Here is an educational link http://www.ashasexualhealth.org/stdsstis/oral-sex-stis/ Stay sexy and always play safe xox

Good morning , Rambler is right, Backpage is where most go looking other than here . Unless you have money for other paid sites its very good. Getting known on here will also help. Get involved in conversations and present yourself consistently. When you do meet someone new be prepared and ready to give the best possible service you can. Do this every time you see someone . If you don't feel well or are not up to scratch decline a date. Its better to decline than disappoint , you probably won't get repeat guests. Establish with yourself how you want to run your business and don't back down on your solid decisions. If you are not sure exactly who or what you want sit here and watch . Pick some ladies you admire . Don't copy them but take lessons . When you are ready then start posting . Patience is the key. This is not a get rich fast train. Also take care of your health and body . Don't burn yourself out. If you want to build a business that is actually a career self care and respect is key. Best of luck with your decisions.

Wait, wait, wait. Sorry, I know I am becoming the bain of your existence here but I can't just let this ridiculousness go on. Jumping on the bandwagon? So anyone who does not agree with you is "demonizing you"? Really? Can't be that you are behaving the way people are saying. You have how many people in this thread alone telling you how your attitude towards us is arrogant, passive aggressive and in some case just downright rude and condescending and yet you say you are being demonized? No sweetie, you are being called out. There is a difference. Secondly, no you don't respect the screening process at all and you do object to it. The first part of ALL screening is getting personal information such as real name and real phone number. The reference, board handle, work verification, that is all a choice for the escort to extend her screening, but the screening starts with PERSONAL INFORMATION. Debating that, saying that personal information sharing should be a last resort, when in fact it is the FIRST, is objecting to it. How does that not compute? Third, you are also giving those rubbish excuses. You are a good client because got invited back to see other escorts? I am sorry to say but I personally, and I am not alone, have you on my Do Not Book list. Simply from your post history. You are a person, I would decline. That is how screening works. You say you are a good guy, would be a good client but I personally do not think so. Maybe you are with others, but you would not be with me. Escorting and screening are not just about physical safety. It is about emotional and mental health, safety and comfortability. I think you are arrogant, misogynistic and I truly feel you are or have some type of narcissistic personality issues. Reading your post on this and other topics as given me a glimpse into your mind and I would never book with you. Don't worry, you don't have tell me you would not book with me either. I already know. You don't like me. You don't like strong women who counter you. So it is equal in that regard. It is just proof that the "but I am good guy" line is a rubbish excuse, just like the author of the article said. I would get into the rest, but Cat covered it. She hit the nail on the head with your lack of providing anything relative other than your objections and disdain.

I've read your comments, word for word and you never once gave logical and viable alternatives to providing personal information that has actual accountability in any of your posts that you claim to have. You actually never provide anything asked of you to further the conversation, like statistics of violence against clients (which you claim is a genuine risk in todays industry) or ways to facilitate business transactions in this industry that meets both sides needs which you again, claimed to have. The fact you reiterate you get invited back screams "I'm a good guy!!!" Men who need to tell women they're good guys usually aren't so I do question your statement of respect and appreciation of women. You prefer women that are willing to negate keeping themselves safe which indicates you target women that probably struggle with self worth and self respect. Typical nice guy behaviour. ;) From what I can see, waterat doesn't quote you at all, let alone misquote or take you out of context. He obviously read your comments, doesn't demonize you; he simply disagreed with you. Telling him "you better post something better than a few misinterpreted or out of context comments!" is again not furthering the conversation given it didn't apply to his actual post but attacked him for simply speaking his truth. Once again, the insight is fascinating... smiles, cat

There have been a couple of threads about this in the last couple of months. If you'd read them - as most of the folks who replied here have - you wouldn't be surprised at all.

I also agree, I'd drop Halifax Playmates a line and see if they mesh with what you're looking for. My understanding is that they're a group of ladies that share an incall, and (?) possibly share a phone. They have a website, Halifaxplaymates.com . Also agree, I don't think they're so much as an agency (which to me implies manager or mama-san) so much as a group of ladies who have banded together. When I've contacted them via text, it's always been the ladies I have dealt with. Please be very, very careful in choosing an "agency" and make sure they're reputable. Halifax made the news again today, re: exploitation. Talk to some of Halifax's established ladies and get the inside scoop from them. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/human-trafficking-sex-trade-nova-scotia-halifax-young-girls-1.4552673

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Just to add my 2 cents here, I have read this thread with great interest. I believe the Business entity is entitled to set up the business model they choose and if we do not want to conform to that business model, it is pretty easy to just move on. I will use an example of my experience to explain what I am trying to say. Huge Golf fan, was taking my nephew to the driving range and the business chose not to offer payment via Debit or Credit, cash only business. They have a Debit machine on site and I could have chosen to use my debit card in the machine, for a fee and make the price of a bucket of Balls $3 more. But as there is another driving range down the street that has the same pricing, and does allow debit purchases I chose to leave the facility I was at and move down the road to a different location that conducted their business in a way that I choose to conduct my business. I hope this is clear in that I am saying I will always try to conduct business with an entity via their rules, and if I am not willing to follow those rules I will just move on and find a business of the same type that will be as I choose. I will never expect a business to change their modus operendi to suit me, but will find a business that does suit me. In conclusion, respect the business models as they are and your customer experience will be well received by the Businesses in question. You are the client and it is up to you to follow the rules, not vice versa. Respect is earned and not a right. SM

Brass Club is probably your best bet as it's likely to be within walking distance of either work or your hotel if you're here on business. If you prefer someone independent, Mia is in Centretown (a slightly longer walk, or a short taxi/uber ride). There are probably others too.

@ gregsand let it go man ! you're not going to 'win' this debate nor should you.

Gregsand I'm hoping you don't respond to my post though I realize you may, given your posting pattern. I have no idea whether many will agree with me but given the positive approach here on lyla I would hope there are some. I'm not neutral. I agree with the ladies' posts. If you carefully read the posts the message is quite straightforward and clear. Screening: Just do it. Or move on. I've only been seeing sex workers for a little over 7 years and I've only been asked once to provide a reference (6 years ago). The ladies I visit are almost exclusively lyla members so it is easy for me to get a sense of their approach and reputation but I always marvel at their calm and poise when this stranger (me) shows up at their door. They are strong women and I respect and appreciate them. Cheers.

This ad here? http://thunderbay.backpage.ca/FemaleEscorts/sexy-young-brunette-available-to-make-youre-dreams-and-desires-a-reality/108377967 If you follow the link provided in the add it will bring you to her facebooks page.... If you then google her name you will find these articles. https://www.google.ca/search?ei=WkmUWqS4D4LgjwP5pIS4Dw&q=renee+graves+robbery&oq=renee+graves+robbery&gs_l=psy-ab.3...10286.11372.0.11667.8.8.0.0.0.0.164.815.0j6.6.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..2.5.650...0j0i22i30k1j33i160k1j33i21k1.0.sfqKAiF6ruo a little sketchy for me.

I always find it amusing when slobyists come on boards and say things like "wait, but, but, but, you need to listen to why I disagree with the way you want to run your business. I've been seeing providers for 25 years and I know everything about the industry". Until the slobyists put their picture online, post an ad and start taking calls, they have no idea how it is to be on this side of the business. Stop lobbying for providers to do things your way. If she wants to screen fully, it's her choice. If you don't like that method, move on. If you find her reasons rubbish, move on. Quit complaining about YOUR RISKS. I get it, you mistrust providers. I've been raped, assaulted, robbed, mistreated, my safety treatened. Even knowing their real name, where they worked, where they lived, it hadn't protected me. I was alone with a man who choose to disregard me and my right to be safe. Never once have I used the information inappropriately. Quit whining over why YOU feel we should not follow a system that at least gives us some options in the event things go south. I even had someone who refused to give me his name and insisted his online board presence was sufficient. I didn't care less, told him my rules. He begged me for months yet refused to give even the slightest bit of information. I'm not a heavy screener and will work with the client to find something that works for both of us. However, the moment someone tries to get me to bend the rules for them, the result was ALWAYS the same. I was raped I was assaulted I was robbed My safety was compromised All because the guy said his safety and security was more valuable then mine. This didn't happen just once. It's a real issue for providers. I despise it when slobyists try to tell me or my sisters how to run our business. You don't like it, get the fuck off my runway. There's a dozen other guys who treat me with respect, love and adoration. They follow my rules and would never jeopardize their opportunity to see me. Peace and love.

Prior to C36, it was completely legal for the client. The laws were weighted and enforced against the provider and clients still balked at verifying even tho they were not at risk of LE laying charges. Yes, referrals can work but I know for a fact that clients can behave differently depending on who they are seeing. I've learned several of my ATF guests have had extensive bad date listings after the fact. I'm exceedingly hesitant to give a referral, not because I want to stand in anyones way of having fun but because I don't want my reputation damaged within the SP community if one of the men misbehaves. And it happens more than anyone cares to admit. The referral system doesn't work effectively because there isn't enough information on hand to hold clients accountable if things go very left. All that can happen is he doesn't use the provider he violated as a referral. He just moves on, continuing to use the couple of referrals where he behaves. It's calculated and cold but a fact none the less. Paid services in the US are in fact a nightmare for many providers should be a clear indication that it's a dice roll. Providers throw in referral acceptance to try and appease the online review gods imo but you can't file assault charges with an "Yes I saw him and he was ok." email, let alone a phone call. I will only take referrals from providers I've met in person and even then, I'm still on high alert the entire time. Not a great way to have fun given the circumstance at hand. The sites designed to ensnare are obvious to anyone who does modicum of due diligence. I don't know of a single provider who requires a credit card up front; there are numerous options if she is asking for a deposit here in Canada. Identity theft happens at point of purchase and sexworkers with cc merchant accounts protect them like they are Hope Diamond given how difficult they are to get. Blackmailed? This one actually makes me laugh because there is so much more risk of it coming from someone inside the clients inner circle or from a mistress than from his provider. I'd love to see the crime stats on that one. 99% of the time, a client outs themselves by not being careful with their communications. Previous procurer? I actually had to google this and can't see how it applies here in Canada. Yes, there may be details kept but LE can't come in and arrest us for what we do, let alone go thru our records without a search warrant and I have yet to hear of a situation where LE tried to get to our clients thru us. It isn't happening because they have no legal grounds to do it. I have had many SOs find my information however, causing untold grief. What isn't understood is that verification in Canada is about safety, not keeping LE out. We have little to no defence in the event a client becomes aggressive, violent or robs us. It needs to be understood that our safety is paramount and how a provider chooses to verify is a personal risk assessment choice and shouldn't be questioned. If you don't want to provide the information she requires, don't contact her but also don't disparage providers that choose to place boundaries they feel comfortable with. I also think clients on the boards need to stop fear mongering and trying to scare new comers. C36 has already done a bang up job at chasing away new clients, scaring the ones that actually decide to take the plunge with false data is simply making the industry more tenuous as a whole. Let them do their own risk assessments, they're fully grown men and can make decisions for themselves about what they are or are not comfortable with... smiles, cat

Wait? So we have to understand your side of the coin AND make that system better for you? For what you like better? BTW - you do realize this was written by an Austrailain SP, where it is legal to work as an escort. They are still screening over there too. Legal has nothing to do with harm. Sorry So no. Her body first and foremost. SHE makes the rules for her and if that works for both of you, great! If not, move on. Men seriously need to stop telling women how to screen. You like the SP reference system better. Ok, so? Maybe that doesn't work for others. Can't always be about you, or what you want. We get it doesn't work for all of you. That is okay. We accept that, why can't you? When something goes wrong for you, it is lost money, lost time and could be a lost wife/family or a normal job. When things go wrong for us, it is all that PLUS possible loss of LIFE, on top of physical harms. So I am sorry but it is a no-brainer. Your right to get your d$ wet will never trump a lady and her right to live and not be murdered. I wish men could give me the numbers of how many men last year were screwed over by an escort outting their personal information? I know we can give you numbers of how many sex workers were killed. Hobbyist, {don't know why you insist on using the term lobbyists as it means something different} have their tools, and we have ours. Sometimes that matches up, sometimes it does not. Look at the screening just like services. If you like DFk and she doesn't do it, you move on. Do you keep going up on boards complaining that a woman you want to see doesn't do DFK? No, you move on. I am done "HAVING TO UNDERSTAND THE OTHER SIDE" of the coin. Because let's be real, I can pull up a dozen threads from the last 3 months on a variety of different boards on this very topic, and in most of them, men are not at all understanding our side of the coin. It is nothing more than women trying to politely explain our reasons for screening, different options to get screened, how to help newcomers, etc etc. while being bitched at by non-understanding men. This is litterally my second thread on this subject today. and the last response I got was that I am apparently admitting to overdoing MY screening because I can refer a lady similar to me who requires less. Yup, you read that right folks. Stupidity holds no bounds. Sorry, but most men are not looking to work with providers on a safe middle ground for both sides. Most men are looking to say their name is john, with a text app and $80.00 and wanting to put it all on us when they don't get it that easy and for that price. So no. We don't have to understand anymore. We are in control of ourselves and if you don't like it, move on to the next. We are perfectly happy with that. It is not an insult to us, it is not a threat to us. By all means, spend your money elsewhere. But don't worry, you won't get the same rude, insulting and disrespectful responses from us when you do, like we get from many men when they don't get their way, yourself included.

When writing a pm, email or texting, please do not send one liners! Many times, it come across as being rude. Ive been on the recieving end of this threw txting, hence the reason why I do not text anymore to make a 1st appointment! WE can not hear your tone of voice, so when you send something like this: "WHEN CAN I SEE YOU?" It just sounds rude. First off, INTRODUCE yourself! Say hello, how are you, I am Mr.XXX. The reason why you are emailing or pm'ing: I am interested in meeting with you on this date and time for this long. A little about yourself, if your comfortable saying anything, some ladies actually request that you do, some don't. Then sign off... Looking forward to hearing from you, Until we meet, or what ever. When you write an actual pm or email, we WILL respond! When I see something that is not like the above described, I dont even want to put in the effort to respond, since you did not take the effort to say more than 3 or 4 words to me! And I am sure I am not the only lady that feels like that! And most importantly!! Read her Ads, website and profile!! They are very imformative. Hence the reason why we put so much effort into them! The effort your going to put in by pm'ing "Whats your rates?", "What time do you start?", or the big question, "What do you look like?" will be alot less than clicking your mouse on the link to her website/profile! You just look very lazy and disrespectful! We are not asking you to write an autobiography about yourself or a novel! 5-6 lines is not asking for much! I know some men are men of very few words, but if you cant take a few minutes to learn about us and say more then a few words, then imagin how we think the encounter will go with you?! Starting an email/pm politely can and will get you a better or if any encounter with your choosen SP/MA! ****************** I've searched and could not find a thread about etiquette on pm'ing, but found this thread, which only shows you how to START a pm: http://cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=15861 If I missed it someone let me know and Ill ask the Mod to add this post to it! Thanks, Tiffany Amber xoxo

Car insurance. ugh.... I hate adulting.

That is a great way to handle it! Much better than going YELP, Reddit and other sites complaining about why the driving range doesn't allow the payment pay that you want, stating how they are purposely making your life hell because you had to waste time and gas, how you nephew got all distraught and scared he would never be able to smack a ball and whatever other lame rubbish that could be thrown in there. I think that is the big thing that most of us escorts are trying to say when these threads come up. If it doesn't work for you, just move on. Bringing up thread after thread after thread with the same tired excuses simply shows a lack of respect for us and in quite a few cases, it is a bullying attempt to get escorts to change ways that help ensure their safety.

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A new cellphone (Moto G5). It appears to be a great phone. I say appears to be because it will not be activated until March 24th. That is because I wanted to keep my old number (since I have had it for at least 16 years). Hmmm.... sounds fishy to me.... Oh well, that gives me plenty of time to get aquatinted with it since I have never owned a smartphone before. :icon_biggrin:

Brass Club is right downtown. As far as I know, you don't bring any body to your room. You look at ads for ladies who do outcalls and they come to you. And don't mix MA's with Sp's. Look thru ads for who is advertising and see if they have any recommendations. Dancers dance, MA's give great massages and SP's provide full service.

Don't cry that it's over, smile that it happened.

Aw that sucks honey when you guys are paying real cash to advertise on a site for business and you're getting poor or no customer service for tech issues. Hopefully they'll get on the ball, especially if you've been getting some good response from it.

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This a simple choice for the client if he or she wants to see a certain provider than you have to follow their screening process. The screening process is in place for the providers safety and to ensure they are comfortable when you arrive at their door or your room door. If you do not want to follow that providers screening process than move on to another provider who has a screening process your comfortable with and see them...

Getting back to the topic. Reasons why I screen. On a daily basis, I receive random inquiries from those that have no intention of booking. They are bored, want to fulfill a fantasy but don't intend to actually pay, or just like wasting my time. I adore new inquiries that are serious. However, if they have sent a couple dozen email and don't actually book, I consider them time wasters. I also receive inquiries from some who only want to collect my address. They pretend to be serious, then after getting the address, they vanish. So, now comes the scary part. There is someone out there that knows where I live, but I have no idea who they are. So when a strange new vehicle drives by my place at 2am, I don't know if it's the guy earlier who got my address and then didn't show up. The pic collectors. They use different means to contact me, claiming they want to see me, but want to make sure my pics are real. They want a face picture but balk when I ask to see theirs first. So, you really want me to send you a picture of my face, so you can go show your buddies? Post me on the dirty? Find my social media account to let my friends know? So you can stalk me and I have no idea who you are? Hotel/residence calls. I've had guys hiding in closets, multiple guys at the location, hidden cameras, guys in the other room who think hell you're here, if I give you an extra 20 will you do us both? Or, my favorite. The address doesn't exist, they are not in the hotel room and down the hall and just want to see a whore knocking on someone else's door. They get great kicks out of this. They don't want to give the actual address and will meet me at the highway exit and I can hop into their vehicle and he can drive me there. Their explanation is that's it's too hard to find. Yea right, I'm really going to go somewhere and not have an actual location. By the time the cops find my body, the scavengers have picked my bones clean, and there no way to determine who I went to see. I need a number I can call you at in the event something changes. Emergency, illness etc. I've only had to cancel twice and I made it up to him, but I need a working number to contact you. Or I need to call you to say "you're at the wrong address". I've blocked them because they want unsafe services. Even one who took his condom off and tried to pin me down. He had sore balls I'm sure, but had the audacity to try to see me again from a private number. I recognized his voice so was able to avoid a murder. Cause in reality, as an Irish Aries, I have a shovel AND a bag of lime. It ain't happening. These are just some of the reason I screen. I don't really care if you like it or not. I've had a steady presence online for 9 years. If I was the type that wants to do you harm, it would be reported by now. So, again, if you don't like the screening methods, move along. I don't really care about your reasons. I have my reason and quite frankly I don't owe anyone an explanation. Don't tell me how to run my business. I do quite well thank you.

If you feel that we are being hard on you for being more concerned about bringing up the lower risks to men when we are discussing the higher risks to women and therefore the need to screen, then you go ahead and take only that from these last 3 pages. Really shows where your head is at. But I will ask since you have repeatedly said it now, where in that article was the "tone" was not to your liking? Where was the author being rude, insulting, or anything that you accuse her of? I mean other than using the word rubbish, which was used in comparison to our risks. She was polite, shared a horrible story of what was done to her, and then went on to debunk some of the rubbish excuses used with her. Which when compared to our safety, some of the excuses are actually complete rubbish. It seems that is your big beef. That she wrote an article about her own experiences and her own opinions on her own site and she used the word rubbish. And because of that, you feel the need to dismiss or diminish our need to talk about safety for us, by reiterating over and over your lower risk level. Honestly, that is like the lone white guy explaining to a room full of black men, that one scary time he got pulled over by the police. And you wonder why people think and feel the way they do about you? Really? I didn't think it was that hard to figure out but to help, I will let you in on the secret then. Your narcissism is showing.

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I'm sorry, perhaps I'm a little slow but what does an RMT have to do with the sex industry or sex workers? How can we apply that business model to our own? To me it makes no sense and is not relevant or helpful to this conversation. If you don't have applicable examples of how to creatively implement ways of working safely for a sex worker and helping clients in getting services from a sex worker, then don't allude to having such ideas on a community sex work board. I find it's misleading and simply serves to confuse the issue and the readers. Congrats on you being able to entice your RMT into offering services tho. That's certainly a unicorn to display in your zoo. The industry has changed dramatically in the last 10 years and at break neck speed in the last 5 years. You want to time travel back to 1998 to try to justify your resistance is again, not relevant to this conversation or to the security risks we face now, in this moment in time. It's important to stay current with what is real in the industry today. You state you've had extended conversations with well reviewed and newcomers but you don't clarify you've compensated them for their time investment, which means more free emotional labour on the part of the provider. The number of clients that contact us "just to talk" is overwhelming because 99% of those men never book. Do you expect us to invest even more time than we already do chatting up those who reach out without any inclination they are going to book? Most of these men are bored and just want to us to entertain them. If you think that a genuine professional is going to find that is an acceptable screening method, it indicates delusional inclinations and is absurd. Good for you for being able to take advantage of a providers attention and time then actually booking with them. How many have you "chatted with" and never bothered to compensate them? This is quite fascinating, the entitlement is real and very telling... smiles, cat

I never dismissed your risk, but you don't need to call an escort. As stated, it is a luxury item for you. Take your risks or don't but you are making implications in your posts that I and other escorts are somehow responsible to make your risk level one that you can handle. With, maybe unbeknownst to you, comments that undermine what risk level I am willing to take. Plus, it is really hard to agree to disagree when you do indeed imply that my way of doing business is wrong. How many times do we read, like below, the threat of lost income, lost client? How many times are we all lumped in with that one escort that may have done something to a person one time 20 moons ago? It is all in attempts to dissuade a system that is helping us lower our risk level. You admit that more violent actions happen to women so I have to ask, why can we not sort out our risk level before we get to the lower risk level issue that you as men have while purchasing a luxury. Why the need to insert your risk level at all at this point in the topic of discussion? And I will even take it further and remind you that you and your fellow HOBBYISTS, not lobbyists, have boards like this one to do so much research that is almost laughable that you expect such an unequal sharing of information. This is not an "anonymous" business. That is a misconception. Privacy and anonymity are not exclusive in this case. As I have stated, I have clients come into my personal private home. Where I live alone as a single woman. My clients come in and sit in my living room, they look around my house at my family pictures, art and decor from around the world, they discuss with me things about my life. This is all open to them. This is all a sharing of information. It is equal. That is the service I offer. You think I am going to be stupid enough to offer that to "john" with text app # 555-555-5555 because he assures me he is a good client? LMAO Come on now. Except we are not having a discussion. You are making passive aggressive threats of lost business to ensure your needs are met. That is not a discussion. That is an attempt at power and control. I am not losing you as a client because you were never my client to begin with. Remember, a client is not an actual client unless he has actually seen the woman and repeats. Which means that he is accepting of her screening. The point of most screening is to ensure that 90% of uselessness, don't make it past the door. The other 90% are not compatible anyway. I "lose clients" on a regular because I am too old, too fat, too expensive, too unavailable, too {insert next issue here}. The list goes on an on. I am not compatible with so many hobbyists, so what? And I will say that your argument is rubbish as well because if we applied that same logic to service level, then you will see how all these "discussions" are more about pushing a standard that men want that intern leaves an escort open to harm. Would it be fair to continue to have these "discussions" about say GREEK, or CIM WS for example? If day after day men complained about how their needs for release in a woman's mouth are not being met. How for how much they pay they should be able to release where they want? How there is a risk to pregnancy so escorts should ensure the client is comfortable by disposing of said sperm internally instead of leaving it in a condom. Because escorts will want to use that get pregnant and blackmail their clients. LOL, It is all rubbish. It is all complaining because it is not what you want, when you want, how you want. That mentality comes from a place in people that I find, I want nothing to do with. I want my clients to feel comfortable. I love the feeling of knowing and holding their trust, and being able to develop that trusting relationship with them. If that can't happen, I wish you well often with a referral for someone else to try. Do you want to know what I get back most of the time? Some sort of Fuck you, or being called a bitch or cunt or some other insult being tossed at me. All that tells me was that I made the right choice to stick to my guns and screen. Because it works. It works for my business regardless of whether you don't think so. Screening is a system that works. Which is why more women are doing it and being successful at it. Will I maybe miss out on a possible good guy? Sure, but you are equally missing out on a possible great escort? So again I am left with asking, so what? Am I safe? Am I seeing the clients that I want to see? Are the clients that are seeing me, comfortable with me and enjoying their time with me? Am I with a client who equally wants me to feel safe and comfortable? These are the questions I feel are worth asking and discussing. Not why won't you just see me with a text app, because I am a good client to have and you can take my word for it? Ummm, I think not. Thanks.

Care to elaborate on how you define a legal business framework (or front) and on creative ways to safe work and get services? Sharing of information is critical in this industry and I'm definitely interested in your above statement. As for throwing someone under the bus, it's not a criticism but an actual warning. If a provider is willing to circumvent her normal screening, there is a reason. Does she find herself in a $ crunch and have to decide between her safety and paying the rent? Is she driven by an addiction? Does she make arrangements to have someone in the room next door in case of emergency? There is something going on and any man who is willing to take advantage is predatory in my opinion. Predators is why we screen. Predators can't be weeded out ahead of time, we can't guarantee our safety simply with information. The only real justice we may be entitled to after we are found strangled to death is a real name and real information. Our ability to keep those who have harmed others and are escalating their violence out of our space is key and in this day of anonymous accessibility, it's imperative we try our best to minimize the risk. Like Jessica, I don't like to brand all men who don't want to verify as predatory, rapists, thieves and potential murderers but this willingness to bitch, moan, complain and justify all the reasons we are wrong for verifying is disconcerting. Men default to the idea that anyone trying to verify has sinister motives, perhaps they are simply mirroring something within that providers should take serious note of... smiles, cat Additional Comments: And in this is where the problem lies. The only way to ensure our safety is if we stand together and insist on our safety. The day would come quickly if providers realized that... smiles, cat

Its mind boggling that this thread has become what it is. What we offer is not a necessity but a luxury. Dont wanna play by the rules then move on. Yes Tempted it is a business but just like any other private business the business owner decides how to conduct their business and if it adversely affects their income they will reevaluate their practices. But at the end of the day you cant please everyone nor should you try to. If i own a store and refuse to sell apples but Joe keeps complaining that i dont does that mean i have to sell apples? Joe can go next door for his flipping apples. Ugh i am frustrated beyond all belief at some of the xomments posted on this thread....its almost a how dare you say that outloud tyle of reaction K peace y'all

By all means, please provide these statistics. I'd love to go over them in comparison to the assaults, rapes and murder stats of sex workers and do a risk comparison so we can start using accurate data to inform people... smiles, cat

I haven't seen any reviews here, but there are some reviews over on escortbabylon.com about this provider.

Why not simply see an SP that does massage? This city is full of SPs that have full massage studios and are every bit as experienced as an MA in the art of sensual massage. MAs are massage attendants BECAUSE they don't want to be full service providers and provide sexual services. Please, show some respect for a providers chosen industry boundaries. smiles, cat

Today I would like to nominate Vicky Lopez has goddess of the day, http://www.lyla.com/vbulletin/member.php?u=125749 She is everything that she describe herself and I could add to her introduction but I think that if you want to know more about this fine lady you should find out for yourself.

YMMV means that certain aspects of the encounter are up in the air until a provider meets the client. It can certainly apply to specific services when taking into account oral hygiene, overall hygiene etc. Poor dental care rules out kissing, dfk and *** for me. There are several other activities that I will not consent to until I meet someone. I've always said that there isn't a game I don't like to play, just people I won't play them with. I won't know whether or not they are a worthy play partner until I meet them so YMMV is always a factor. It's why I refuse to engage in menu type discussions prior to a visit. If all the boxes are checked in terms of hygiene and the chemistry is there, an intense session could very well happen depending on an SP's head space. If she's genuinely professional, you will have an intense session regardless of her mental focus or even if she doesn't like you. This is a job and "liking" isn't a prerequisite for doing it well. smiles, cat

Vivian is on vacation till the end of Feb. She's one fine lady and should not be missed.

You are entirely correct Gregsand. This board does not guarantee anything . However its the best dice roll gentlemen have . Ladies profit as well . If someone inquires here I immediately look at his post history, what he has to say and well, make an initial decision . Gentleman have the same benefit. A personal example for me is that I am opinionated and sometimes loud. Some gents want quiet and demure . By reading my posts they get to know me pretty concisely and make an informed decision . A short ad with a few pictures doesn't tell a lot. Other places you do you best and trust your judgement. By many accounts here lots are getting burned . I might be mistaken but I think years ago we had to refer to Backpage as the "other place ". Now its been pointed out to me by WIR that Backpage is a fine site . ( don't quote me on this exactly. ) I advertise there and so do many other ladies that are long standing . One of the problems is with all these Hollywood starlets that claim perfection , 100 percent satisfaction , etc, etc. Perhaps some claims are true , but mostly not. What do we do to change all this ? I have no idea. I do long for the days when I received nice letters of introduction from gents and I was mostly certain they were going to be fine guests. I joined this board in 2009 and you hardly ever heard of the scandals that now occur to someone everyday. Things have changed a lot since the Bill and censorship came. Lots of old members left or don't contribute anymore. You can never turn time back so we will continue to struggle with the issue of who is "legit " and who is not. Or we could re invent ourselves here and enjoy the community we once had. Senior people led and helped new ladies and new members carve their way. I am very proud to say Lyla gave me the reputation I have today. ( Good or Bad) I earned it and where else can we have an opportunity like that and for free ?

Jenni and Francesca at vibe, let me know how your search goes and if you end up having other recommendations

As today is Valentine's Day and I know she has had a very rough couple of days and could use some much needed cheering up. So I would like nominate Lilith Delacour for CERB Goddess of the Day... Happy Valentine's Day

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