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Hey everyone, I haven't posted in a long while but thought I'd share my experiences about sugar-dating as I have used the SA site for several years with great success. I have enjoyed about 30-40 incredible sugar baby relationships and the women were (for the most part) amazing, sweet, classy and some were ridiculously good looking. 80% of the time it was a hot fling that lasted 2-3 months and we end it on friendly terms. I never get upset or give someone a hard time. 20% of the time, we became long-term frisky friends, and more importantly, friends. Some of these ladies still keep in touch with me even though we are no longer intimate/moved away and just want to catch up. No money or gifts involved. Others will contact me from time to time looking to hook up and need a bit of help with expenses. I also have 3 occasional frisky friend relationships that have been ongoing for 2-3 years. The fun thing is that over time you can develop a black book of ladies that come back to you. You get to know the ladies well. Yes, there a flakes and fakes on the SA site and you have to weed them out. Many of your messages go without a response. What I have seen is that 10-20% of young women in my City become members at one point or another in their 18-27 stage. So many come and go. Most of them go on there for a week, see guys are idiots and move on. I suspect that many men don't know how to talk to women and just try to "buy" them (like property) and send them inappropriate vulgar messages offering sex for money. DON'T DO THAT!! I suspect these are the same fools that get blocked by MA/SP. Many of these ladies on SA are not MA, SP or seeking multiple partners. These are often students or ladies with full-time office or government jobs. Most of them close their SA accounts after we start an arrangement. I've had hundreds of them tell me they are just tired of young broke guys that are rude and cheat on them so they give up on traditional dating. If you can catch them in their first week online and show them you have class and will treat them well they often will accept to meet you for a drink. After that, it's about your skills, appearance and ability to connect. Also, this site works best for those aged 35-50 (unless you are older but have a youthful appearance and style). It's the honest truth. Many ladies have an age cutoff and you have competition. If a younger, more attractive, more generous guy comes along, you may lose out sometimes. I did my homework and operated a free female account on SA for a week before joining just to size-up my competition Usually, I buy a 3 month SA membership. I ask for a number & pics from all the ladies I am interested in and start texting within 48 hours or dump them as flakes. I get 20+ phone numbers and start to narrow down. I would end up meeting 8-10 ladies and choose 5, keeping a constant rotation. When I dropped to 2-3 women, I would open a new SA membership with different username and pics (**because some sugar babies get jealous and monitor your old account to see if you're active) and start the process again. If you are meeting a lot of ladies and not closing I think it's on you. I have a 50% success rate, which suits me fine. This site is worth it if you have time to engage women and can spare $2,000-$3,000+ a month. It is not like MA or SP where you just go for an hour. Most of the ladies would meet up for 2-6 hours and want both social (dates) and intimacy. Sometimes it can be a weekend away or even a week vacation together. Many ladies are willing to be your girlfriend for a week if you pay their way to a nice vacation in the sun or to Europe. Costs you $1000-$2,500 for a week of their time. Considering gifts and financial support, I operated in the average range of $200-$400 per meet. I don't pay or go for platonic; I have lots of friends. Usually, it takes 2-3 dates before we become frisky friends. It's a different approach though. It's not like giving cash in an envelope. Sometimes, it's cash. Sometimes, you hook up without any donations. Sometimes, it's overnight. Sometimes you make their car payment, you buy them gift cards, a laptop, new phone. Sometimes, you'll give them a ride or send them an Uber. These ladies often tell me they don't want to feel like an escort. Personally, I think it's BS because I like the MA/SP ladies too and I don't judge. But many of these SA girls are from different backgrounds and see it that way. I dated 2 ladies who were from wealthy families and their real-life daddies were lawyer/doctor/executive types. They were used to their dads giving them cash allowances and gift cards. Lol. If anyone here has had some luck on the SA site, PM me and perhaps we can bounce off some ideas. **P.S. These are simply my observations and experiences. Please... no haters or thread hijackers. The Wealthy Cowboy

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I've visited many cities and I've seen providers in Toronto (although not in a couple years so maybe things have changed). My experience is 90% of them allow DATY so if you are finding the opposite I suspect it reflects on you slightly (sorry). Make sure you're super clean, dress decently and brush your teeth, freshen your breath, don't book a quickie session. Try to make sure you have good chemistry like Greenteal said. As to them liking it. That's a lot to ask, I enjoy DATY myself and have have heard everything from compliments to being told I am doing it too hard, not hard enough, too fast, too slow, I do move around too much, I don't move around enough. I basically now I start with what I like, move to some different ones if not getting a response. If I get positive feedback I use that as a guide, if I get no feedback I use the style I like best until I've had my fill.

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Once again, irrelevant to my point. I never signed up for it. I am just pointing out that you're wrong about the business model.

We seem to have our wires crossed. The comment which you responded to stated: "Well to be completely honest, those websites should charge what ever anyone is willing to pay, that's economics." Your response to this was: ""there are at least 5 to 1 women to men ratio", meaning most men are not willing to pay that amount" This (along with you mentioning a degree in economics) leads me to believe we are discussing the economics of the business model and not the ethics of the company. As such, my response pointed out that the high women to men ratio is a selling feature of the website and that encouraging a closer women to men ratio would be a poor business decision. Is it fair to sugar babies? Maybe not. Is it economically sound? Yes. On a related note, I would be curious if there is a source for this 5:1 ratio and how inactive accounts and scammers are weeded out when determining that ratio.

Sorry, this happened to you .. did he expect you to have the heart nose and animal ears like in your video? Couldn't resist. Yes, you should have taken the money..