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We heard you the first time on your thread here, and now you are at it again 8 days later? What are you trying to get out of those discussions?

Shit. You got me. You know how elite companions often don't have that many clients? I am, in fact, so utterly super-elite that I have... no clients at all! How's that for exclusivity?

I have seen this lady. Pictures are accurate and she is very pretty. Sadly allowed interaction was minimal. She was having her own party and broke off for a half time bong. I TOFTT. Decided not to accept the offer of FS at hourly rate +$M. Needless to say I would not repeat.

I'm sad to see Lydia left us while I was out for over a month. So many things happened while I was away. I will miss her very much even though I know she will visit once in a while. Thank you for being a big part of Lyla and I wish you the best of luck in your future endeavor.

He does sounds like he's very mature and emotionally intelligent. I don't roll that way, but if I did, I'd wanna do him, lol 🙂

After a re-read of this thread I was reminded of an upcoming date (yes it'll be post op but one I'm very much looking forward too) that I'm having so a deposit (2nd one) has been sent to the lady. And I've paid deposits (well in full) since 2011 (unless a lady doesn't take deposits) and never lost a deposit. So I'm going to continue paying companions by etransfer, including for this date. A Rambling From Someone Who Doesn't Hate This Industry RG

Okay hear me out because I may have spanked @Quietfun only 2 hours ago when I posted this in the similar post he made about 2 weeks ago but I may have to change my position somewhat because of what I experienced only 2 hours later Here's what I originally had to say on the topic: Sugar Kayne Posted 2 hours ago Its pretty simple.. I ask for deposits now because im done being scammed out of time and effort, as well as revealing the location of my discreet place of business. So many clients dont even bother to show up for appointments, or theyre new and get cold feet, or they suddenly have been called out of town for work right before the appointment. Im sorry you fell prey to hopefully a hard to spot fake, but the thing is: If you are no good at spotting fakes, you should learn how to spot them instead of expecing people to change their business model. Like, the entitlement!! Id be shocked if youve been scammed by a verified provider here that seems legit and has recommendations from various established client accounts. But even if it did happen that would be the rare exception and they wouldnt pull off such a scam for long here on lyla. If you dont want to do your homework, dont be upset you get a bad grade lol Others suggested seeing providers that dont ask for deposits. You couldve done that without posting. You just want special treatment and/or a place to complain. I do feel bad for some of the people who get scammed, like elderly and other vulnerable groups of people, but this industry is no worse than any other for scams. There are email scams, phone scams, tax scams, puppy scams, to name a few They often prey on the most vulnerable. You are unfairly blaming the industry, and the providers in it, for your own mistakes. You arent even complaining about scammers themselves, who arent actual providers!! Youre not here going "screw that introverted incel of a man who pretended to be a SW and tricked me, scammers should be punished by law" or anything. Youre really out here slamming the legit SWers for not making thenselves more vulnerable so you can avoid the risk of being scammed instead of just doing your research! No one has to give a deposit, but if most or all the providers are asking for one, is it that far fetched to think that we are doing so for a good reason? No, its not. I have to get ready when someone books, but they dont have to show up. Sure they dont get service but I cant get my time, effort or discretion back. It shouldnt cost those people NOTHING when it costs me so much. Maybe if I asked for 50 or even 100%, i could see that being reason for me as a provider to not follow through w an appointment, unless I was travelling. A nominal deposit ensures the providers time isnt wasted. I put a lot of time into being at my best for my clients and Id hate to stop doing so bc I cant afford the time to shower and primp anymore since no shows wasted all my time for the day. Travelling companions almost always ask for deposits, from new people, at least, and they seem to be doing just fine and so do their clients who do deposits. I dont think its an industry problem. Is it a CRA problem that scams pretend to be them? Correct me if im wrong, but I havent noticed them changing their policy due to scams. They put out public service announcements educating the public how to spot fakes. I cant charge your credit card like your doctor or dentist when you dont show up for your appointment or cancel last minute. I gotta do something, and not asking for a deposit and getting the barrage of no shows again, isnt the answer. Maybe you should write a post berating all the clients who book and dont show up instead; they are the ones who ruined it for you, not the service providers that are just trying to find legitimate clients. Posted 2 hours ago sorry for my bad copy n paste job. Here is the link to the original post I still stand by most of what I said but I got this wierd scam message my own self not 2 hours later lmao and even though it's easy to spot as fake, I feel compelled to admit that i seriously underestimated just how rampant the sheer volume of scams are. I definitely will, in fact, be re thinking my own deposit strategy because I can see both sides for sure there's way too many scams to require deposits indiscriminately.. there's a middle ground and I'll find one that works for me and my clients cause yeah here's the weird text thing I got I took a screenshot and attached. Hope it shows up

That's It.. I have had it with all the deposit scams.. i don't understand how so many SP's can expect a deposit when the clients are constantly being scammed

I noticed a post on "Leolist" that had intrigued me. I wanted to visit this lovely mature lady. I contacted her her and she said she required a deposit. She was not verified. I think verification very trustworthy. This site might consider it. I was not willing to take a chance, not only losing a few bucks, but being possibly embarrassed knocking on a strangers door which is 30 minutes from my home. I would like to get some feed back on this issue.

Hey - just wanted to pass on some info that the girl “half Asian Jade” that used to work in Halifax regularly has passed away out in Vancouver. I know some members here were big fans of her . I am not sure of all the details . I am assuming she OD’d based on what I read from one of her friends. just a friendly reminder to treat these ladies well fellas.

lol well if you're not willing to send a non-sexual pic of yourself proving that you're real, then you'll likely never get hired by me bc I require a meeting in person in a public space before any money is exchanged. Works every time. Anyway it'd be nice to book a lady in Truro, as I grew up there and the nostalgia might really add to the experience. It's a cozy town.

Every reputable person was new at some point, it's not always possible to "do your research". However, there are many, many great posts on this forum that help with discovering fake ads and minimizing the risk.

I have bought a unique toy for my favorite lady a few years ago and we use it once in a while or she will use it by herself. I know that there are a few different names for that toy and if I'm not mistaken it's called " The womanizer". It is not a vibrating toy like most but what it does is have a light suction with light vibration and it sucks on the tip pf the clit and will make the women go wild. Specially if your lady has clitoral orgasm more then vaginal. The best way to use it is to let her show you because you know us guys don't have a clue where every women her her spot. But once she shows you for hers you will remember it and play with it without the toy and please her a lot.

I want to know peoples craziest fetishes… your most secret fantasy! If you could do anything you’ve never done and wanted to what is it? Or is there something you do secretly alone or with a friend paid or not paid? What is your deepest, naughtiest desire? I’ll give a discount to my favourite answer 😈👑

I have always wanted to have a sexy girl in bed with me and have one of her friend come in the room without us knowing and ask if she could join the fun. Of course I want both of them to interact with each other and with me in the middle.

So finally decided to meet her and did last week. The girl is real and genuine. So can book with confidence. Experience is subjective so not commenting here.

One of my favorites for many reasons. Will still go with the mind 💖

Ahhh….Laura….sweet Laura. Laura is back in town for a couple of days and is not to be missed. Pretty with a smoking hot body, great skills and great service. She is smart and articulate. Quiet and reserved but once you get to know her she is a great conversationalist.

I think this thread is a venting thread. There's lots of lovely ladies in this thread that I'm sure would be willing to meet him (myself included) but the homework is what seems to be the kicker here. Booking a SW requires work... on both ends.

You should try his tongue 😉

There are two asian ladies Tina and Jasmine who have ads most days, usually around lunch time. Their pictures are definitely not accurate but their services are clean (showers and clean towels), interactive, friendly and reasonable.

Please, if someone has any suggestions about Asian girls, please let me know. I’m new to this city and really wanna find a Asian girl

I miss VIPOTG! Hoping with restriction removed, they will be back. They were the safest, most reliable option.

I can only say in my experience you can't trust the accuracy of pictures and profiles of most Asian girl postings. When VITPOG was around it was pretty good and there are a couple locals who post frequently . I met one and pictures posted bore little resemblance to whom I met . Again I'm not going to paint all with the same brush as there are Asian ladies who are legit and visit Halifax from time to time ie: Allie Zeon and Cindy Cindy

well... we do not have evidence that @Phaedrus is not a SW in this life 🤨 who knows ... may be he is a super elite super secret companion..... the kind they make movies on, with yachts & casinos may be he is the one they call when Shania Twain or Bryan Adams need love 😏 ... yeah ! I will roll with this narrative ! 😜 ~

So has anyone actually seen her lmao ??

I personally dislike all these acronyms

Party Friendly 🚩 YDYT.

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Well I have to say this is more then I expected ... I feel like I am down at the end of the world. Should you be able to make it down this way please keep me in mind. I am VERY INEXPERIENCE with all this and well sex too actual. Up front I will say I have some health issue ... I wear a cochlear implant, wearing it I have functionable hearing without it I have no hearing.

My pleasure to help. Helping you on this helps both sides of the entire industry too. Hopefully this info will help others avoid what you've endured. Oh I'm not challenging your decision. You do what's right for you. Unfortunately, what you say about the average is true and true for every group there is. And as others say, the more underground things are forced into the more sickos come along to exploit it. So this industry is one that suffers greatly as a result. On both sides. We all hear plenty of what SWs go through if they aren't aware of how to avoid trouble and only see good clients. If they are scamming you for deposits, most arent actually SPs. Catfish found out an onlyfans model was a man without conscience in his 30s or 40s who would use the names & pix of an actual OF model and simply scammed money from the guys with good hearts. This was his job he said and she wasnt the only SW he was exploiting and endangering to profit from. Here's a link to the episode: part 1: Part 2: WORST OF ALL: The show didnt even bother to blur out the SWs face! So guess what happened to her? She was exploited and screwed over even further. While she trusted her mom wouldnt go on OF and find her there, she sure as hell does watch OF ! Here's her reaction. Now she was ok in the end with her family knowing but she should not have that choice taken from her. A lot of us would be destroyed in their family life. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gFkF4RCyms I can list a bunch of other examples. As someone here had said, no reputable SW would risk her rep to make a small sum. So I wouldn't use those people to describe most SWs anymore than I would describe someone pretending to be a client who beats, rapes and robs the worker. He's not a client, he never was. She was never a SW. But even with those posing removed, you still will find psycopaths and sociopaths more often than groups that are in the open... and even there... is the average collections agent a good person? Is the average hairdresser or stock broker? As communities like this exist, one can definitely say that the reputable SPs do conduct themselves well as does the average hobbyist. But lyla is not Leolist, LeoList is not instagram/twitter and those arent the street corner. As you can see here, many hobbyists and SPs have enjoyed many years together, some for decades, some more. As I said, many SPs will wave the deposit fee if she is not just visiting and if you have references. Given how many scams you have encountered, you would have also experienced meeting with several SWs and as long as you were respectful, you should get a ref from more than one. Keep in mind, even if she wasn't necessarily someone you would see again, the point of a reference is only assured safety... so its not the same as when hobbyists review/recommend us. So don't hesitate to ask. Deposits weren't a thing until covid. It was extremely rare and when it did happen it was for far off outcalls or full day bookings. This only started because of inconsiderate behavior of many clients and bad behavior of non clients. Once it was established, ya, the vultures came out. So the fact it was only became the norm because of necessity (you can watch its progression starting from 2019 to witness the standard and then starting looking again around june/july 2020 onward... See how often it happened, see those lamenting they may have to start asking deposits... what you went through with scams, they went through except a hotel room is way more than a deposit. So to blame isnt helpful. or defame or make stats on groups that have little to do with each other. Just finding solutions & communicating is. I wish you luck in your ventures. Please, even without sending deposits, do your due diligence because losing a deposit is not the only thing that can go wrong for a hobbyist.

i honestly am so sick and tired of the scams.. Yup. And it seems like it's more now than ever before and no signs of slowing down. The one thing I despise about this industry is looking for a "new" regular. I currently have a "regular" that i've been seeing for 3 years and I've had one before her that I was seeing for 10 years but she moved away just before Covid started. So just one left. I have totally written off "online deposits" as instant 100% scams just to protect myself from a nightmare situation. Even if they aren't, I'm not willing to roll the dice and find out anymore. I'm too old to be playing in the minefield. I'll keep my current regular until she quits the biz and then it's retirement time. No regrets. It's better to be safe than sorry. A clean & safe exit is a good exit. Just like that Kenny Rogers song said : "You gotta know when to hold 'em / know when to fold 'em / know when to walk away..." #NoRegrets 😎

Is there a way to make a post that only lyla members can view? I have something to say but only want members to see it for discretion's sake. Possible?

Has anyone seen her

True, I guess as being fairly new to this it's a tough call with how many don't use Lyla, and how many fake posts are on leolist. I mean the pic doesn't have to show your face. But yeah maybe it's a bad idea.

Get her to take of picture of her touching her nose or ear. That's a great way to find out fakes if you are already talking with them over text :)

Have not seen her for a few months but would agree pics are real and she is a sweetheart.

Yes she is real, and she is beautiful and has a great personality as well. No disappointments.

Rom, I have to disagree. If I’m reviewing a auto mechanic I am not reviewing him for how great he makes potato soup, I’m reviewing him on the skills I have hired him for. If you are an escort by choice people should be able to review your escort services and if you work at a rub and tug people should be able to review your rubbing services as well as your tugging services, all of them. This respect the privacy holly mother of god crap makes no sense. The choice was made to be in that “profession”. I understand if someone found out and posted their real name, home address or something private but to use their fake name with info on services, why not?

Kinda, no, hell yes. The DND does put a damper on some stuff. I can see it's purpose, though. There seems to be new places opening up all the time, so there is new talent coming in. The biggest problem is the rules actively discourage participation. It's impossible to give an honest review. Have a bad experience? All you can do is sit back and watch another guy TOFTT because you can't post a review. If there is a known bad MP, all they have to do is change their name and they get a clean slate to take advantage of even more customers. WTF? We can't warn or recommend due to it possibly outing the offender. It's complete bullshit. The only allowed purpose of this site is to shill for providers so they can claim to be "well reviewed". Well homie don't play dat game. If I can't post a deserved bad review, I won't post a recommendation either. Not about to have this site benefit from my effort while censoring me for telling the truth. So for anyone asking "Has anyone tried xxxxxx?" The answer is probably yes. You'll just have to ask elsewhere if you want an honest answer instead of the site sanctioned "AAA+++ 5-Stars! Great eBayer! Worth double the price!".

It's just the slow death knell for this Winnipeg sub. The restrictions and rules have driven most of the discussion over to the other ERB. There use to be a thriving discussion on here between clients and providers. Don't see it coming back any time soon.

I do see both sides of it. There are so many "deposit scammers" out there that I can understand why some guys run from deposits as fast as they can. I hear it all the time. On the other side of it though, if it were my business, I'd absolutely consider requiring deposits. Time is their product and if it is wasted, they lose it forever. Just remember that there is a huge difference between booking an unknown from LL, and booking with an established lady. You don't need to develop hard and fast rules that apply to both situations. The bottom line is that if she has invested years developing a reputation that is her livelihood, then she is not going to risk that over a $50-$100 deposit. Would you risk your career and reputation over 50 bucks? I would not. It just wouldn't make any financial sense. That said, if you can't find any other information on her (verified of not), then I'd move on. The challenge on our end is being willing to spend a little bit of time doing research to be able to tell the difference. In most cases it is obvious.

It was told to me by other ladies that black "agents" do NOT want other black men around their girls. Why? Because they may have the ability to take "their girls" away. It's some sort of code. We can all decide to pretty this up in so many words but that is a fact. As for being racist, some of these women have no choice who they want to see and if they did, I'm sure they wouldn't put that out there in an ad. When I used to be in Toronto, I'd see many Asians saying "No Asian men" particularly in spa settings when they'd advertise. Why? They probably knew the same people in the same Asian community and didn't want them to know of their secret job in a massage parlor. Secondly, this is a job like no other. We as escorts have the right who we want to see and who we don't wish to see. Our bodies, our choice. If a man doesn't treat a woman properly, then game over. If that person happens to be of a certain ethnicity and it keeps happening over and over again with negotiating or poor behaviour or time wasters, ask why is this happening? Perhaps its's a cultural influence and how they were raised to treat women in their country. Getting back to the "No Black men" issue and seeing so many ads stating this, no doubt they have a black agent or manager running the show.

Sorry to say but the color of your skin does not determine the size of your package!

It's not necessarily a racist thing. If a lady's agent or SO is black, he/she may not want other black men to visit, which is why they explicitly put it in the ad. This also applies to other races where the lady may not feel comfortable seeing men from her community. I used to know an Asian lady who was not comfortable seeing Asian men. I am not sure if it appears tacky to actually put it in the ad, but at least they're being honest. The type of service we are offering is that of intimacy and whatever reason we choose not to see certain people, is really no one's business. For example, I am no longer entertaining clients under 30 because as a rule I have found it to be more trouble than it's worth. I still have a few younger ones that I let see me because they are the exception to the rule. But that was only because their initial contact was more than a "Hey" or "Yo escort lady, I wanna git with u" type of text.

Been a number of heated threads on this topic already and no matter what anyone answers it never is the correct answer it seems JMO but no need to bring back a heated discussion on the subject, here are a few threads on the subject http://www.lyla.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=181140&highlight=blacks http://www.lyla.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=151618 http://www.lyla.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=143689 RG

Seems a bit harsh no? All he did was ask a simple question and you seem to have just dismissed it as common sense. To actually contribute to the thread productively, just do as was mentioned. If you think there might be a preference in race, just casually add it into your introduction and proceed from there. As far as I have seen, not many sps/ma's do this, but there is always the odd one that might. Happy hunting

I think a lot of you replying have never seen the level of effort going into these scams. Im assuming a lot of you live in the major cities where there is literally dozens or even hundreds of women providing services. These scams go beyond being verified on LL. Some of them have twitter accounts, instsgrams etc. I have even been hustled by ads that have reviews on CAF. I have been hustled by ads that have websites.. and because i look for an outcall. I have even been hustled by legitimate providers. That's the absolute worst when they laugh because they already have "regulars" and hustling someone for outcall deposit is nothing to them and wont affect their bottom line. It's not as cut and dry as a lot of you make it seem but I do appreciate the suggestions