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Q: WHY THE LADIES DON'T TELL THE MEMBERS HERE WHO DID THE NO SHOW AND WHY THEY DO NOT ALWAYS POST IN THE SP ONLY AREA ABOUT THIS... A: It's Simple... Most of the guys who would stand a lady up without calling would not hesitate to slander the lady in a discussion board/forum. If the lady told anyone who he was and what he did or got him suspended from cerb for doing this he would probably cause a problem for her. Q: WHY DOES THIS HAPPEN IN OTTAWA SO MUCH? Well. I don't have an answer but I do have a theory. From talking to a lot of the ladies over the years it seams that many Ottawa ladies do not have a really high level of screening. What I mean is some of the ladies will take bookings from "Private Numbers", "Pay Phones", "Blocked Numbers", etc... Also the ladies sometimes do not call back to confirm the booking so they do not verify the phone numbers. Most of the ladies in other cities require a call back number (valid one that they screen by calling the client right back on and sometimes before the appointment as well just to confirm. The ladies mostly do this for security as it makes sure that if they were ever robbed or hurt by a violent customer them they would have something to give the police and most ladies also make a log of the contact number and time of the appointment so if something was to happen to them the police would find this and have a solid lead. This is also a very good way to prevent no-shows. If the guy wastes the girls time she could put you on any of the SP BLACKLISTS (like we have in the SP ONLY area). If she did not confirm your number however or you used a blocked number she really has nothing to go on... and she will probably have this happen MUCH MORE OFTEN. A guy will think twice before standing up a girl if she has his REAL contact number! She can also call his phone and say "Where are you we had a date?" some sp's have even been known to keep calling and calling a few times each hour until someone picks up (This could land people in trouble and I would never suggest a SP do this - it has happened however as I have heard of this happening more then once). On the FLIP SIDE Unfortunately giving out real contact info has more risk and some guys just are not willing to take that chance... It's very rare and I would hope it never happens with anyone who has been recommended here for sure but the bait and switch people I would suspect that they would have no problem causing an issue if you left after realizing you were bait and switched. Some guys have been black mailed by BAD SP's ... I actually met a woman a number of years ago when I was programming software for adult pay-per-minute chat who was a EX-escort and went to jail for blackmailing a customer. It was a well known public figure and she and some of her friends blackmailed him. I was told the whole story and was rather disgusted but she actually said a number of times that she was very asshamed for doing this and she deserved to go to jail (she was remorceful and sorry she did it but still it did happen). So I can see why certain people would not want this to happen. What could be done that would help I think? A thrid pary screening system has too much liability to charge a per-call screening as you could be living off the avails but a licensed software program that is automated and is "Licenced per month" would be legal. I tossed the idea of putting something together like this but I am way to busy to do this right now myself and everyone here is way too busy as well with everything else we have going on but it would be a good project for any of you PHP guys as a open source software system called Asterisk can do not of this and with a little PHP code this could easily be done (Probably in under a week). The idea... 1) The guy makes a booking by internet (or) calls and the lady gives him a number to call to verify his phone number and appointment time. The service provider would need to use a webpage or touch tone phone to enter her availability into the system so when he calls to make the appointment it would know if that time is available or not. 2) The system gives the guy a PIN code and calls back the guys number right away after the booking is made and confirms the guys number by him entering the 3 digit pin code. 3) The computer then calls the SP to inform her of the confirmed booking and verified call back number. 4) The computer then calls her 1 hour before the booking to reminder her of the appointment. If for any reason she can not make it she can enter a button on her phone to say she must postpone the meeting by XX minutes/hours/indefinitely 5) Then the computer calls the guy with a "Generic Reminder Call" like "This is a reminder that you have a meeting at 3:30pm today if you are still able to attend please confirm your attendance by pressing 1 or if you will be absent today for this meeting please press 2 and you will need to call and reschedule at a later date. if you received this call in error please press 9" (Make the call sound like a recruitment call for a business opportunity seminar or something even) (or) if the lady can not make it the system would say something like "the appointment has been pushed back until XXX would you be able to attend today (press 1) or would you like to cancel (press 2) or would like to reschedule (press 3) and the system could discreetly adjust booking times if necessary between the two people just by this process of "offer/counter offer" for time. 4) Once the appointment is confirmed or denied the SP is then called back to tell her that the client has confirmed. 5) As a bonus to the lady she can have the system call her at the start of the appointment and then again at the end - so she does not need to keep track of time as a end of appointment reminder and so it appears that an agency is calling to verify that the start of the appointment is going smooth (Some agencies call to see if the lady is secure and does not need a quick escape). It could have lots of possibilities but anyone owning this system other then the lady herself could potentially be considered "living off the avails" as it would be doing pretty much what any agency/receptionist does so in order to do this the developer would not be able to charge a "Per call" fee or a "Monthly Usage" fee easily (without really knowing the legalities) - the only way around it would be to "License" the software usage to them. So it gets complicated and could be a legal mess. But it still would be a GREAT idea ( I think )

I am not pulling this... I keep telling everyone how much of a problem this is in Ottawa compared to the rest of the country. You guys who are doing this are making the ladies leave (and the visiting SP's are not coming back as often or at all)... also this DRIVES the hourly rates up as someone has to pay for that loss of time!! Only an idiot would use his CERB member name and then pull shit like this as the ladies will go into the SP ONLY area and let ALL the other ladies know about it!

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This is something that is better to email or even PM to her. Posting requests like this publicly is not the way to set up an appointment.

I am sure it was in "Jest" but I removed her name just to avoid any misinterpretation!

I have never been to John school but I suspect they teach by fear and statistics for STD/STI and VIOLENCE are much higher when dealing with streatwalkers. I would suspect that it's a HEATH issue more then anything but again... I am just guessing here.

So many members here are going to jump on you for this post I think and I want to reply before that happens! First: Your on your own with your Moral Dilemma as you need to get over that or you won't enjoy your visits. You should not feel "Dirty" or have any other hangup like that. Now.... I am not sure how old you are (I don't want to offend you but the post reads like you are very young - possibly too young to be on this site and maybe searching for some answers)... I say this because of the wording (for example: "just grab her boobs and get to it the moment she enters the motel door")... If you just grab someones breasts I think you would probably be starting off on the wrong foot and may not appreciate what comes next! - First rule is you treat the ladies with respect as they are not some object you are paying for. So on with your questions.... Q: do i pay her cash before we start or half now and half after. or full amount now adn say i give yo extra if i am satisfied. A: You pay the lady upfront the full amount (Nothing less) and some ladies will ask you to have it in a envelop and tell you where to place it in the room in advance (when you make the booking). If you enjoy your time then tipping is a VERY nice thing to do. Some people tip upfront as well when they know the lady is genuine (and sometimes if some early chemistry is in the air - you will find thread on this subject here if you search for it) Q: do u just jump right to the sex? or do you talk for a bit, or drink something. If it's your first time with an escort I think you may want to let her know this. Be polite and respectable. Most of the ladies would prefer that you take a shower first (if you search you will find a thread on this as well) some guys come out naked, undies, etc.. but the ladies like a bathrobe from the sounds of it. Finally... you do not NEED sex. You most likely have a hand and if lucky you have two of them! Having sex with a partner is just a nice bonus. Your feeling dirty comment worries me and I think maybe you have some religious or moral upbringing hang ups that you really need to overcome before you consider this as an option for you. I am sure some of the ladies and some of the guys here will add to this - I hope they go easy on you!

The prices are lower in Montreal because the MUCH LARGER volume of ladies working and they have a serious price war go on where they would all keep dropping prices lower and lower to keep the business coming in. We lost many of our advertisers during this time on escorts-canada as the ladies and the agencies just could not afford to pay for advertising at the end of it. It is once again on the rise, the ladies and agencies can only survive so long doing this foolish stuff. I know you guys want cheap rates and high quality but trust me Montreal is NOT the normal for this business and Ottawa is pretty much where it is at for the rest of the country in regards to rates. Calgary seams to be the highest (but again - less ladies and a very high demand from guys who are making really good money). Ottawa has lots of money as we all know. Many people in government and the I.T. industry live in Ottawa and make very good money. The ladies will price themselves usually just like Paige just explained. If they are too busy at the current rate they increase the rates (supply and demand) when it slows down (and it does) then the ladies lower the prices if they find they are not as busy as they need to be. Also with all the NO SHOWS in Ottawa (Ottawa has a bad reputation for this - and it is very disrespectful) well... the ladies from Montreal probably don't want to come visit (like many other traveling ladies) - I don't know why this happens so much in Ottawa and I don't have a solution to fix it but BOY DO I HEAR ABOUT IT A LOT! If my time was wasted constantly I sure would leave and find somewhere else to work (or) charge more to compensate for the wasted time and make it worth wild.

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I believe that is only if they choose to give you that option. I have heard of this happening in a few cities with street proposition busts (involving a john soliciting a undercover police officer) but not with the common bawdy house busts. Maybe someone else has some better insight to this?

Who? What? HUH? Are you asking if I think law enforcement reviews online advertising?? If so this is my answer... A: Yes, I think law enforcement looks at the ads but I think when they do they are looking for specific things. Those being (1) underage girls (2) Illegal Brothels (3) pimping I also think that in cities where they have municipal escort licenses they use the internet to find ladies. I NEED TO STRESS THAT BY-LAW OFFICERS ARE NOT POLICE - THEY ARE THE SAME AS METER MAIDS - THEY CAN HAND OUT BY-LAW TICKETS ONLY - NOT ARREST YOU AND NOT PUT YOU IN JAIL. IF YOU DO NOT PAY THE BY-LAW TICKET THEY WILL SEND A COLLECTIONS AGENCY AFTER YOU HOWEVER! Don't let the word LAW in BY-LAW or the word OFFICER scare you are these are NOT POLICE OFFICERS (Some of them think they are and would threaten you with silly things like putting you in jail as they often think the ladies are gullible and pushovers!) We know for sure this happens with BY-LAW in Winnipeg as the by-law enforcement officers (Not police) mentioned this to a few of the clients while harassing them to get a license... and Calgary one of the ladies fought her by-law ticket and challenged it in court. Our website was brought up and the courts ruled in her favor and she said ... I am not a escort by the cities definition, I am a prostitute who sells sex for money. She advertises as a "Service Provider" and in her advertisement she says clearly that "I am not an escort, I am a prostitute" and this is the very reason the judge ruled in her favor. TIP: If you get a by-law ticket you can challenge it in front of a REAL judge (one who knows the laws and knows that prostitution when doing outcalls in private is legal) if you tell the judge that you are not a "Escort" by the definition the city uses and that you are actually a prostitute working independently from any agency then you will most likely get off the ticket and don't have to worry about those pesky collection agents. If everyone would challenge these tickets maybe the by-law officers would realize that they can not be pimps and can not license prostitution like they want to. I think that actual law enforcement (Real Police) here in Canada have better things to do then to go after the Independent ladies... but recently it has been rumored that they are doing this in some places (I have not heard of anyone being arrested yet outside of the one case in Winnipeg so maybe it's just rumored as many people in this business are very paranoid of such things and sometimes the imagination and assumptions come across as actual fact). Sometimes a lady will get a suspicious call and tell everyone to watch out and start a little chain reaction (or should I say chain-over-reaction - but then again it's better safe then sorry!) Unless you are doing in-calls and have really HIGH traffic (enough to make your neighbors realize what you are doing) then you probably will not get public complaints. If someone does complain then the police have an obligation to investigate you and charge you but if your just staying low key your not hurting anyone and your supping a service that everyone knows is in demand (and I consider it personally as a needed service in this world). I think law enforcement keeps a close eye on Agencies as they don't want anyone pimping the ladies. Most police are people like you and I... down to earth and reasonable... many of them I am sure see the ladies themselves! I can not see them going online and hunting down the ladies without cause (but it could happen if you get some over zealous person trying to get some recognition from the public maybe?). We have all heard the rumors of the police making a booking at a hotel and trying to get you to talk about sex for money in the lobby/hotel bar/hallway or in some public place. Why they would do this is beyond me but you all just need to know enough to not talk about ANYTHING outside of the hotel room!... If the person asks to meet in the lobby you say "Sorry, I will come to your room directly and if you invite me into your room we can close the door and disucss things in person in private" if your silly enough to agree to meet someone in the lobby and you slip up and discuss sex in any way your probably going to get arrested for public solicitation. Prostitution in private (including discussing sex for money in private) is legal but if you do it in public your in trouble... this law was made to combat street prostitution and public solicitation on the streets.... it would take a real jerk to use this to entrap the escorts but we know a lady in Winnipeg was arrested for this so it could happen anywhere. From my understanding the municipality in Winnipeg pressured the police to do this (I would think it was the by-law guys raising a big stink)

I think the police would investigate it and then speak with a legal adviser to see if they are breaking any laws. Keep in mind that the Asian massage spa's are getting rounded up all over the country because they are known to force the ladies to work (and offer sexual acts) against the ladies will. They are often controlled by organized crime from my understanding and if that is the case I agree that the police need to shut these places down. As for the NON-Asian places that get busted it's probably because of complaints from the public (or) they are offering full service or bj's (not just massage when you add those extra's). That is just my opinion however.

That court case about the swingers clubs and private clubs kind of set a new precedence that it was legal to have a club where paid members can interact with each other and sex or sexual acts inside the club with two members would be legal. The swingers clubs have "Hosts" that work with the company (bring drinks, welcome guests, etc...) but I do think that if the "Host" was caught excepting money for any sexual contact it would be legal. I have never been to CMJ but I suspect the receptionist collects your visiting fee and your host never touches money. I would also assume the hosts are listed as members as well so they can INTERACT with other members. (but do not quote me on this as I am just guessing here how they are working around the laws). As for the By-Laws they are a private club (Probably no signage outside the building and they are not open to the public technically - you must pay for a membership first to use the club... this should beat the by-law) The thing is if the "Hosts" are profiting from doing anything sexual with the members then the common bawdy house issue could still be a problem... but if they stick to massage only (no sex/bj/etc... excluding hj as that could be considered massage still) then they should be ok (I think) with the laws... but don't quote me on that...

Hmmm, your math is out but of course your going to increase your risk. Every time you walk in the door you have a 1:11680 chance of being one of the unlucky people. If you go 52 times a year over two years you would have gone in 104 times so you would increase your risk factor to 1:112 chance you will be in the place when it gets busted. Now 1:112 is really still pretty low really but obviously much more risky.

The criminal code law clearly says "Anyone found IN a common bawdy house" (this includes the receptionist, people asking questions at the front desk, people in the rooms, etc... EVERYONE). And anyone "Charged" with a criminal code offense the newspapers can freely print.... and they do.

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What about it? Your asking like you don't know the answer?? Was it a sexual act? or was it theraputic? Maybe both and that would the the argument so many places let is slide. Are the ladies being forced to work? Well that now becomes something our country would just not allow as that crosses the line. Bill Clinton got away with a BJ technically (because it was not full our sex) but did he really get away with it? Being made public that is? Of course the license does not allow nudity or hand jobs (very gray area) defined as "sexual contact" but one would argue that sexual contact is therapeutic... and that only intercourse is a sex act... this is why these things get thrown out of court. If you get caught in a place having sex however then your screwed in more ways then one... but what are the odds of that? Really.... Let's do the math ... say the place has been open 2 years without being busted and is open 7 days a week 12 hours a day... the average visit is 45 minutes and the place just got busted.... chances of your being in the place when it got busted based on these numbers is 1 : 11680 (so the chances of being in the place when they get busted are very low so maybe this is why the risk is acceptable to many people). I am sure however that this risk is not acceptable for many people who have a lot to loose if a name was to be published in a paper... so by the police doing this they do lower the level of business these places get significanly I would suspect.

I know the ASIAN parlors are getting hit across the country as they are known to be sex slave bawdy houses where the women are forced to work against their will (at least that is what I have been told). Other places get busted from complaints from the community or just to keep everyone in check. Read my post above... Anything more then this (them naked and rubbing you, your touching them, bj's, sex, daty, digits, etc...) is all illegal as the place goes from being a "massage spa" to a "common bawdy house" and that is very much illegal in Canada under the criminal code. No license exists to make this legal!

It says "bawdy houses" so they were having sex or performing sex acts. A body rub license allows non registered massage therapists to massage you. The massage of the genitals is very much in the gray area. Anything more then this (them naked and rubbing you, your touching them, bj's, sex, daty, digits, etc...) is all illegal as the place goes from being a "massage spa" to a "common bawdy house" and that is very much illegal in Canada under the criminal code. If you are caught in a bawdy house when it is raided you will be charged as a patron and the ladies will be charged as attendants. Any men working or the owner will be charged off living off the avails and keeping a common bawdy house. They are all criminal charges. The police release ALL the names to the newspapers for print cause nothing scares the average person more then your co-workers (or family) finding out you were caught in a prostitution sting.

.. yup... but it has a lot of truth to it. Money changing hands makes for good economy (especially spending money locally and buying products made in the country). If everyone gets scared and starts to horde money that will only make the bottom fall out sooner and much harder - and no one really knows for sure if we will fall off the cliff when the US does... some of us like to believe that we don't have to follow what the US does (wishful thinking? - Maybe but does anyone really know for sure?). I am not suggesting that everyone go on shopping spree's!! I am not stupid and I do have money put away (just in case) but don't change your lifestyle unless you are really concerned with your situation and if you have a really big nest egg then maybe some real estate or a new car would be a nice treat (you will probably get a very good deal) .... and you know the car is going to be worthless in 5 years but the real estate will always spring back in time. How many of us wish we bought realestate the last time this happened? We all know someone who bought a cottage back then for 40 grand and sold it for 400 grand or a house for 80 grand and sold it for 300 or more just 10 years later... I know at least 20 people who came away very well off... but on the other hand I know a few people who lost everything back in the 80's too... so you need to do your homework. The last thing you want is your mortgage to come due during a recession and the bank saying that they no longer want to hold your mortgage but history says that interest rates will sky rocket so lock in long term is the advise I got... I locked in for 5 years just in case. I have no idea what is going to happen... maybe some of our Ottawa members are financial forecasters and can share some thought?

Well.. the bait and switch people really don't get it. Integrity is important to you and I (and the majority of members here) but people without integrity will do whatever they can to profit and rip people off without and regard for the overall impact they are having on this industry. Each person who is bait and switched and let down by misleading ads and false photos just lose confidence in the entire industry as a whole. I have heard comments like "Those are just models - none of those photos are actually the women who will show up at your door" and these bait and switch ads just reinforce that mentality. The legit ladies I am sure are sick of the phone calls saying "Ok, how do you really look in person" and "Can you send me some real photos" (implying that the ones on the ads are fake) - We have had ladies STOP advertising with us because of comments like this from visitors to ads they have with us. Now they are finding cerb and trying to post cover ups (I said they would find other ways to combat the issues) - I just never said they would be smart about it.

Feel free to PM me I would be happy to help.

Never give cc info. period

You lost me with that comment as stolen photos (taking someone else's photos and passing them off as your own) are fake. Anyway I agree with Cowboy... this seams very obvious to me as well with the registration today and straight to this post. That is why you do not have an active account any longer.