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Outcalls to hotels that YOU as the hobbiest rent are probably the safest for everyone from both a legal and personal safety standpoint but that ads a hefty additional cost to the call.

Outcalls are legal - incalls are illegal but incalls with one lady working from that location are often tolerated in most cities (as long as no public complaints happen and no agency is involved). As long as it's a private place (your home or your hotel room) it's legal. Discussing sex in public is a NO NO so do not ask the lady to have a drink in the hotel bar and bring up anything related to the call, sex, money or her business (if you do expect her to leave). If you meet the lady in the hotel loby also be sure not to talk about sex until you get to the room and close the door. Paige may have been advised to do incalls from her own place (ALONE) as the police usually leave these ladies alone but this is indeed illegal (Read goleafsgo post above - the line that says a common bawdy-house is defined as a place that is used by one or more persons for the purpose of prostitution) this is right out of the criminal code and you do not need to have a phD do read this and understand it. I do hope she was told of the risks and was not lead to beleive that this is legal as it is not.... I could see why she would be advised to do this for her own safety and she is probably less likely to be charged for this if she is smart about it. Rest assured ... If the police get complaints from her neighbors about high traffic, complaints of suspicion of drugs or prostitution or any disturbances then they will investigate her and probably charge her for keeping a common bawdy house. From the recommendations here for Paige and her contributions here on cerb I would think she would be very safe. She seams very stable, clean and intellegent so she probably does not need to be too concerned with anything like this... The police do not seam to actively seek out indie ladies working by themselves unless public complaints are received so I would hope the police know that incall locations where one or two ladies work together is statistically more safe then outcalls as the lady never knows what she is walking in to when doing a outcall... then again some would argue that a sexual predator would know where you live or work when you do incalls.

I think you spelled Allegre wrong (I think it is Alegre is it not?) - means "happy camp"

I hope your just being polite. This person is NOT a nice man. Thankfully a lot of unstable people have a hard time holding back comments like this (no buffer) so it makes avoiding them more easy when they do this. Hopefully he does not read this so that he keeps making stupid mistakes like this so others are tipped off ahead of time as well like you were. Your first instinct is 99.9% of the time the right one! I wanted to mention that a phone number is not only very useful if your running late (Call and let your date know - traffic, car trouble, etc...) but it also provides you an extra level of safety. Even if you do not give out your phone number it is a good idea to get the clients number and ask permission to call and confirm the appointment by phone at a pre-arranged time (1 hour / 30 mins before the call) this will cut down on wasted trips and most importantly you can feel them out over the phone (Intoxicated, angry, crazy, mean, etc...) so you can weed out many unstable/dangerous people and avoid risk. I would suspect that people like this are even easier to pick out when talking with them on the phone. Also.. it's a good idea to get as much info as possible to be as safe as possible... in many cities the ladies will only take calls from unblocked phone numbers. Sure this does not guarantee your safety but every little bit helps. I am very glad to hear you avoided this person. That was a good call!

Oops., Sorry CK... LOL... I fixed that. Make sure you all vote when the poll goes up. We don't count the nominations as votes remember. Thanks.

What is this? This logo next to a users name signifies that this member contributes a lot of information on cerb that other member find valuable! Do you have someone you would like to nominate? You can PM us and we will add the person's name to the vote poll (or) post a thread in this section publicly. The only rule, you can not nominate yourself. You can nominate SP's or General Members but please do not nominate your favorite SP if she does not contribute in the discussions here on the site. Congratulations to the Current Members who hold this honor are... dreamer8 (General Member) Carole (Service Provider) Cowboy Kenny (General member) Nominate your favorite contributor now! The next poll will go online with all the members names who have been nominated on FRIDAY NOV 14th and the person with the top votes will receive the next award by the end of the month! Get your nominations in now! So far we have the following nominations... Cat Dummpy Ulixestrojan PistolPete I will keep adding to the list as the nominations come in. (Please do not nominate yourself or try to make fake accounts to vote for yourself - we had to kick 3 people off the board for this already!).

Since she uses a confirmed bait and switch photo we must move this thread to the bait and switch warning area.

This is Chris Landsdale (owner of Miss Nude Canada) who made this Recommendation for Kathleen. Chris is the owner of the Miss Nude Canada pageant (I have dealt with him personally over the years and he has an excellent reputation and he has run the Miss Nude Canada pageant for as long as I can remember). He is probably posting his website to show he has credability (not for advertising). I have no way to prove 100% that this is Chris actually posting but the photo on his profile is him and if you visit Kathleen's website you can see she is a valid SP (http://www.kathleen-canada.com) At this time I have no reason to think otherwise and I would like to welcome Chris to the board. If any of you have been to one of Chris's Miss Nude events you know how much fun they are and he brings the best of Canada's entertainers in to compete for this title.... but this info doesn't belong on Kathleen's recommendation if your interested or have info for others feel free to start a new thread.

The by-laws would be different from province to province (but the by-laws are not criminal - they are like a parking ticket). The criminal laws are "Criminal code of Canada" laws and are federal - These apply the same way across the country (However some area's police the laws differently as the laws can be interpreted very differently - you have to remember the police are not judges or even lawyers - they just pass the charges out and let the courts deal with it). I agree we need to watch what is posted here (maybe the private SP ONLY area would have been a better place for this thread) but then again the law needs to know that with the help of the internet the ladies (and the public in general) are becoming more knowledgeable of the laws and they will not be able to push the ladies around as much as they could in the past. I am sure people outside of this world of ours come visit as well (curiosity) and I am sure a number of them walk away with a different outlook of prostitution. Sites like this are helping to educate the public and to teach people that sex workers on the streets are different then escorts. I do hope that if the LE does visit this site that they take the time to really see what this world of ours is all about. If they could see how wonderful the people on this site are (Ladies and Hobbyists alike) I would hope they would realize that they are targeting the wrong people. A lot bigger fish are out who need to be fried! - The sex slave industry for instance (Mostly Asian from what I see) and the pimps on the streets need to be dealt with way before they even consider harassing any escorts. They need to know that these three area's of the sex industry are VERY DIFFERENT - sure they all exchange sex for money but the difference is the escorts are doing this under free will where the sex slave industry and the pimps running the ladies on the streets have a very different agenda. They are not going to get rid of any of those problems by targeting the escorts here. The Canadian law says it is legal to have sex for money if you do not solicit it in public, Ottawa is filled with street walkers so why on earth would they be trying to catch the escorts in hotel lobbies who are trying to follow the law? - Sounds like they have a bigger target in mind here (The Agencies) and maybe they got complaints and are following the complaints up (this happens from ladies who are fired at times and also from other agencies who are trying to cause problems - that happened in Niagara a few years ago when the agencies were fighting and got the police involved by calling the police on each other - year not to bright eh!) I don't blame the LE for going after the agencies that appear to be corrupt as I would hope they would want to protect the escorts as they would any other human being but I could see why they would investigate a agency as history shows many are under minded and try to operate above the law. The only way they can really investigate an agency is (1) send a undercover agent to work as an escort for the agency or (2) arrest a lady who works for the agency and scare her into giving them information by threatening to charge her. I really can not see any other reason for for them to waste time on the independent ladies and once they know the agency is doing things above the boards I would hope they move on. I would also suspect not many female undercover officers want to pose as a sex worker either so I can also see why they do the hotel lobby sting. The hotel lobby sting is VERY common across Canada by the way... I would almost guess they have a consultant or some book on "how to sting a escort agency" as this tactic is used everywhere.

You beat me to it! Have a fun night everyone! Happy Halloween

Private discussion regarding sex for money is legal in Canada but if you do it in public you are breaking the law! On public Streets, hotel lobby's, hotel bars, parking lots, hallway to the hotel room, etc... are all "Public Places" however the hotel room itself is NOT considered public (it is private). So if a guy asks a escort about sex or costs of service in the bar or even using terms like DATY or BBBJ then the girl needs to say "I am sorry, I do not do stuff like that" and she should "High Tail" it out of the hotel or public place and not look back. If a guy who is not LE is stupid enough to do this he needs to be left high and dry too! This is a way for the police to entrap the ladies. NOTE: If you discuss sex in public (even without mentioning prices) and then proceed to the private room and discuss money they can still charge you (and visa-versa -discuss money in public then in private discuss sex). Even by saying "I do not discuss those things in public" you can still be walking a fine line and could probably get charged but I am not 100% sure as that is just rumor. I know using terms like DATY and BBBJ etc... are just as bad as saying the actual sex terms or slang of any kind. Why do they do this? In some area's in Canada when they go after the independent ladies it's to try to convince them to quit the business. When they get caught the LE pressures the escort to go to "pro-school" for 3 days (Like social worker camp for prostitutes) to try to talk them into leaving the business and if the ladies agree to go to school they "Drop the charges". These schools are filled with street walkers who need to escape the drugs and pimps so I agree this is a positive thing but when the LE starts to target the legit escorts who are not junkies and are trying to work by the books they are really abusing the laws. Now in this case they probably are not after the lady (but they need her to bring the agency down). In order to charge a agency they must get one or more of the ladies to "Turn" on the agency and testify against them. They do this by saying "we will drop the charges against you if you spill the beans". They must say that they work for the agency (Technacally the agency needs to work for the ladies) they need to say the agency know sex is being exchanged for money (this way the agency is both the employer and knowingly living off the avails of prostitution)... they also look for agencies who run the opperation like pimps (telling the ladies when they must work, how many calls they must do, drug sales are common in bad agencies, etc... etc...) if the agency is running above the boards (Just booking calls, letting the ladies choose when they work, firring anyone found doing drugs, etc... - the cops will find out fron the lady and in most cities once the know the agency is not doing bad things they pretty much leave them alone - but that is not true in all cities) The solicitation law WAS intended to get street walkers off the streets, the LE BEND this law to go after legit escorts for the above reasons (Maybe more reasons exist but these are the only reasons I personally know of). If the lady does take it to court her name is released to the press once the charge is made and in most cases a story is published and the real name of the lady is published (maybe not in cities like vancouver or Toronto where this is not big news but winnipeg or Ottawa where they can damage some ladies name by publisising this it sometimes happens (as that is enough to scare most of the ladies into never taking this to court) .. yet another way to pressure the ladies into not taking it to court. If it goes to court it's usually thrown out... but then again the girl get's screwed cause of lawyer costs. (Another reason the ladies are pressured - it costs 1000's of dollars for a criminal lawyer even before you have your court date and the free legal council or defending yourself is not always the best choice) So many of the ladies would rather turn on the agencies and go to pro-school then to take it to court. It's very upsetting - It's wrong and it should be illegal for them to bend the law and use scare tactics.

Angela is on the Ottawa DNR list - she requested to not be reviewed here but you can still PM info when someone asks. OTTAWA DNR - Valerie (Aka - FunValerie) - Angela (Aka - angellas-tlc)

P.S. I moved this thread to the general discussion area.

We don't know what works till we try it. The Chat, the Social Group features, etc... they are also all "Techno geek plug-ins". I know not everyone will embrace all the features so my suggestion would be to use the features you like and the dead features that are not being used can be faded out to make room for others. Personally I like the best post system, it's a way to show someone that you found his or her post to be of value. Same with the valued member award (peer recognition brings small communities like this closer together). The chat room works but still has log-in problems for some people (Sorry but we will have to live with that for now if we want the video and audio at this time until a better solution is made available). So.. are they worth it? I like to think so, and the people who PM me to thank me for my effort seam to think so. I am sure you are not the only one who feels this way Capitalman but I do hope that you are in the minority here.

San Fransisco voting to legalize prostitution. Full Story: http://www.insidebayarea.com/sanmateocountytimes/ci_10770854

fortnight is every 14 days

The website you tried to post a link to is censored as we don't want to send anyone to that site (It is FULL of bait and switch - AKA FAKE ADS) - especially the asian ads. You will get an asian lady but not the one in the photo.

The RCMP has been cracking down on these sex slave operations all over Canada. If you have knowledge of this and want to do something then contact them with information.

It's alive! -- Finally! You know with all the technology we have these days you would think that a simple website could stay online. Especially when we go to such great lengths to make sure everything is backed up and redundant. We have redundant EVERYTHING with the escorts-canada site... we have redundant internet connections (In case one provider goes down the other takes over), battery backups good for 12 hours, diesel generator backup power good for 2 weeks (until the tanks need to be refilled) and we even have mirrored servers (if one is too busy or goes offline the other takes up the slack) ... but with all this redundancy the site still manages to go offline because some idiot kid (We call the script kiddies - usually kids learning how to hack servers) finds a new way (or reinvents a old way with a new twist) to crash a web server and bring down a site (and they like to target adult sites and high traffic sites of course). This idiot managed to bring everything down and lock us out of the servers.... it does not appear that he/she gained access to anything so no worries at this time about that. The big problem is we don't know exactly how it was done. All we have so far is his IP and a error log that says "reverse mapping checking getaddrinfo failed - POSSIBLE BREAK-IN ATTEMPT!" (Nice eh!? - but we also have his/her IP address so that should help with the logs) Well at least we know what happened we just don't know how it happened yet so we will be spending the rest of our weekend sifting thru log files and trying to find out how this was accomplished so that it does not happen again... So if you notice it offline again over the weekend it's probably just us trying to patch the vulnerability so it does not happen again. It was offline for 10 hours today because of this... and that is HUGE for us! I am actually embarrased that this has happened. On the topic of redundancy... We even have redundant internet connections at the office too (Bell DSL and Rogers cable) as both are unreliable... and sometimes they both go offline at the same time (Like today for about 5 minutes they were both out while we were tyring to fix this) - Murphy's Law!!! LOL... Anyway.. I am venting after a stressful day and prolonging my date with the server logs (trying to find out how this was done).

Not Mod.. this one is beyond me... the senior techs are on the case and they appear to be a little stumped. Still working on it... should make for a very unpleasant weekend for all of us if they can't fix it soon.

We are aware that the site is down. The problem is being worked on and will be back online as soon as possible. We do apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused but our support team is on the job and will get it back online as they can.

The fact that it does not say anything about being a TV/Shemale/tran/etc... on the actual website is a little concerning. I would hope that it is made very clear at the time of the booking as some men could become very violent if they expected a real woman when the pants came off. I know a lot of the guys don't read all the bio on the websites either (this is a very common complaint with the ladies as they get calls all the time asking them questions that are clearly stated on the website if the guys bothered to take the time to read them) so I could see the little comment at the bottom of the bio about the "Surprise" being overlooked or missunderstood.

I moved this to the general discussion area for you. It was not city specific.

Why are you looking online if this is all you care about?? You are not going to find what you are looking for here and you are just going to make people angry at you. Your first time will be a BAD experience if you do not raise your budget. Save your money and make sure your first experience is a good one. Your paying for a service, if you are smart about your choice you are not loosing anything, you are paying for quality. I am afraid at your current budget all you are going to find is street level prostitution and I would not recommend that as the heath risks, legal issues, danger issues, etc... far outweigh the money you will save. Do some homework, read the posts here and save your money until you can make your first experience count.

That is a confusing reply! Did you go in or not? Your reply includes comments like "Don't want to go in" meaning you have not gone yet then you say "found out she is not a MP and got myself embarrassed" meaning you did you go in and you got yourself embarrassed. English not your primary language by chance? I don't mean that in a disrespectful way, often people who are learning English sometimes confuse past/present terms like this. In this case your post could cause a problem for this company so I must ask that you clarify it.