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We have tried for years to get the east coast advertisers on Escorts-Canada - it's a uphill battle. We just figure people out east prefer to use the newspapers still in the classifieds.... but if the guys are really starting to use the computers to research and search out the ladies I guess we need to direct more effort out that way again. We do take a more personal approach so when an ad is flagged/reported we do our best to find out the truth before shutting the ad down. If someone is using fake photos we ask the lady to verify her photos with us. If we receive reports of a scam running we usually know after a week as we would get a few reports a day usually if something bad is going on. With cerb it is another tool we can use to ensure the quality of the ads.

Jessica has verified her photos with me so I know that the photos in her album are real actual photos of her. Time will only tell if she chooses to stay on the good path but she is welcome to advertise here again. If the members here complain further about Jessica I will need to take more action on her account.

Yup, sight unseen is a risky thing to do.

I think alias's and personal email address's should represent you. (If your the fun type of person or the serious person it usually shows with a look at the email address name you have chosen) - I know if I see a email alias like [email protected] I know the person is probably laid back with a sence of humour so I can joke with them but [email protected] I would probably be much more business like with). I often wonder about some of the names guy's use here... for example "Fartfart" - who could take someone serious with an alias like that? (Sorry fartfart but that is the truth). If you look at the members list you will see what I mean.. many BAD alias's but most are just people reading and not contributing... but you never know if one day you want to jump in the conversation that choice is going to haunt you. On a escort board love2cum is rather appropriate but some may still assume things (level of maturity, etc..) but a simple look at your previous posts here and it shows you are a contibuting member so I can't see that effecting you much on cerb.

Not the warmest apology but I think many here will give you a second chance and will hold you to it... with a very close eye of course. TO OUR CERB MEMBERS: Jessica has agreed to verify her photos with me. Once she does this I will post a note here to let everyone know her photos have been verified. If for any reason she breaks her promise (that this will not happen again) I will have no choice but to ask her to leave and she will loose a very valuable (Free) advertising medium here. She does sound sincere however and everyone deserves a second chance (and some of these young ladies just need a little guidance to see how wonderful the business can be if the right doors are opened). JESSICA: I hope you read cat's message above and take her up on her offer if you need some advise... she is one of the most thoughtful ladies I have come across in this business and the guys love her so she would be a positive and an excellent resource if you need help or have questions.

Yes, Here is the link Seymour. http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=5683

I moved it and removed the link. I think that you will find a number of these ads are probably outdated as these sites usually keep the old expired ads to draw visitors in to purchase the membership. I do think the Monica ad is probably old and out dated.

LOL... finally someone noticed. - and it's not a review board! :???:

The SP area can be used for this and for your group one. Anyone who wastes the ladies time or is dangerous should go on the list. If they are going to put an end to this no-show problem Ottawa has then this is a way to combat it. I agree if you are sick that is a different story as long as you give some notice. What does happen however is that one lady will post a warning and other ladies will add comments either saying "yes, that has happened to me with this person" or "I did not have any problems with this person" and in some cases "This is a regular of mine and I never have problems with him" (So it is "Self policing" so that misinformation or people put on the list from a simple misunderstanding are often vouched for)... a number of the ladies will blacklist you if you make an appointment and cancel with short notice and if you don't even bother to call them you will be blacklisted for sure. Well, the playboy mansion does not have working girls so you are comparing apples and oranges here (Not to mention this is Canada). To answer your bawdy house question... Yes, it would be a bawdy house IF sex is being offered in this "Common" location in exchange for money. If it's a "Swingers" club and everyone is swapping partners with not financial gains it is legal. If it was a private members club where no one discussed sex for money at the location but you could leave with someone and discus this in private outside of the club that may be legal (but this is very gray area).

Sorry, I did put words in your mouth. You were only confirming her photos were real. My mistake. Anyway. she PM'd me and I have asked her to verify her photos with me. She claims she changed her name to avoid some unwanted people finding her but we all know that no matter what she does those people will always find her so she needs to find a better way to avoid them as changing her name just makes it look like she is trying to avoid bad reviews or getting caught with B&S. Now it's obvious some bad stuff was going on but if she does have other people after her then it would explain some of this but it's up to you all if you accept what she has to say or not. If she straigtens up her act and works at bettering her reputation the members here will go to bat for her (at least those who will see her after this and toftt). I also told her that if I get further reports of fake ads or changing names (Including ads on other sites like CL with other names) then she will not be welcome here as we don't want bait and switch (or any scams of any kind). She needs to stick with one name and build a good reputation. Hopefully cerb is valuable enough to her that she straigtens up and can move forward in a postive manner.

No, they are all her (100% - things like phone and references on CL have proven this) - the most comprehensive information can be found on Cowboy's blog here and between the screen shots and phone number compilations you can pretty much find the truth. Now maybe as Jessica she is turning over a new leaf already and if that is the case (as it appears you are happy with her Leyley) then that would be a good start but at this time we must caution everyone as she was involved with the bait and switch stuff so she will have to work extra hard to prove she has changed. Again, many of the ladies get into this business and are misguided as to the proper way to run your business. Scummy agencies, pimps and greedy people with no concern for others can corrupt someone who if shown a better way could be a asset to the business. Everyone deserves a second chance but at this time she has a lot to prove if she wants to show everyone she is no longer involved in bait and switch.

When reading a PM you will notice a new icon at the top right that looks like this if you click this it will report the PM to the moderators account(s) and will send us a copy so we can see what is being reported and who sent it to you. Some people have been reported as sending HATE messages by PM (We have deleted them of course) and others trying to slander people's reputation by passing lies about them in PM's so this will help put an end to this all. Reasons to report... 1) If you receive a PM that was unsolicited advertising someones services or even a product (related or not related to this business - it is still considered unsolicited advertising / AKA SPAM) 2) Hate mail about another members 3) Hate mail about a SP or negative comments about a SP that you did not ask for information about 4) Rude emails 5) Demanding or unreasonable PM's 6) Threats 7) Solicitation to work for an agency ... and anything else that is not appropriate.

We can only hope. I am not sure why someone would want to bait and switch a customer. The customer would be disappointed, feel cheated and they would be mad! Even if they stayed for the appointment it would not start the appointment off on the right foot. Who would want this kind of life? This business has so much good to offer why embrace the bad? You must really hate yourself and other people to think this is the best way to run your business and treat yourself and others. I can only hope that she reads this thread (and reads other area's of the site as well) to see that this business has so much more to offer to someone who embraces the business and maintains a high level of personal pride. Cat, thank you for your comments here. If we can help even 1 of the ladies who has been mislead it would be worth all this time and effort.

Ahh, I am now in the loop. It has been brought to my attention that.. hannah.banana ultimate_pleasure aka Jessica sweet_katie Are all the same person on cerb here. Now the ladies are allowed to change usernames/alias's but some members feel the reason for this could be to avoid a bad rep and that this person is responsible for some B&S ads on CL and other places. Since I can cross reference the IP's and I am aware that we had B&S problems on the sweet_katie account (and the IP does match as a exact IP match between all three accounts) I can confirm that this is all being done on the same computer. But... I am not simply going to BAN her for this as I think that would just be adding to the problem. I am going to suspend her at this time and ask for a explanation. I will then review her case and make a decision as I think sometimes they just need some better guidance. Some feedback would her will help more then simply ignoring her. I am sure if I was to just ban her and lock her out we would have another new account with a new alias and the problem would continue. Instead I am going to suggest to her to read the recommendations the members here have posted for the other ladies, see what the other ladies are doing RIGHT and use that to improve her own business. I will suggest that she pick one alias and start building a reputation based on quality service, fair practice and let her know that she will find it's much more profitable and a lot less work to just be a nice person and not try to bait and switch anyone. My suggestion will be to turn a new leaf, get some real photos, take the time to offer a quality service and then advertise it here (In other words use this site to see where she is going wrong and maybe re-invent herself in a positive way - simply shutting the door and calling her out will only anger her and push her further into thinking she needs to be undermined to succeed in this business). By banning her permanently I would not be doing anyone any justice and I would be adding to the problem, instead maybe our community here can assist her in finding where she is going wrong. I hope this helps but I know it's a long shot. For now I would suggest to everyone that they take caution when booking an appointment with this person as we do have a confirmation that this person has (and apparently is still) involved in bait and switch advertising unfortunately. I am moving this thread to the BAIT AND SWITCH area as it does not belong in the discussion area.

She signed this post as Jessica, am I missing something?

What I think Ottawa could us is a central booking system (with alias's and reputation levels - like Ebay for the sp's and hobbiests - where you can leave feedback on your booking). Many of the independant ladies have asked me about a online booking system over the years so Ottawa may be a good place for something like this. The booking system could be used as a way to increase safety for the SP's (to know that you are legit and not wasting her time, verify the client before making the appointment and also as a reminder system (call her and him to remind them of the appointment - much like many doctors offices and even libraries are doing these days) In turn it can be used opposite as well (to leave feedback on the SP) but it would need a dispute system and some sort of moderator. To verify the clients and SP's it could veryify phone and email when you sign-up the system gives you a PIN number then calls you and asks you to enter the PIN to verify your phone number. It could also send you a email verification as well to verify your email address. In the future when technology becomes available it could have voice print capabilities and much more. Changing phone numbers or emails would only force you to start from scratch again as a NEW member (Higher risk) and would also be a pain in the ass for anyone who is booking fake dates with the ladies and wasting the ladies time (This seams to happen a lot in Ottawa). When a booking is placed with the lady it would tell her if the guy has a verified email, a verified phone number and what his feedback count is... The system could still keep everyone annoynomous, it could screen guys for the ladies and also screen the ladies for the guys. It would need to be well thought out and able to keep the integrity... For instance in order to be able to leave negative feedback on a SP or Hobbiest the person leaving the feedback would need to have 5 postive feedbacks on his/her account (and to ensure the integrity of the system those 5 feedbacks should need to be from 5 different people who all have 5 or more postitive feedbacks each themselves). Or something like that.... I am not saying I want to build this system as I have no idea how popular it would be but if it's something that would be of interest and everyone thinks it would help we could work together to build it and I would surely help out. I think the reason stuff like this does not exist yet is because it would be pricey to build and not very profitable. Many of the ladies would pay a usage fee if the system is screening the guys for them but the usuage fee would need to be very afforable to make it worth wild for them, but with all the no-shows in Ottawa it could actually be a very valuable thing for them (and the guys). Just some idea's I had floating in my head.

Thanks, let me know if you find any others that need to be moved.

Thanks for the club update. I forgot about the smoking laws - I guess that would have a big impact too. Good point.

I will move it over. Thanks.

I did not add one before as most of the strip clubs have been going down hill for years and years now - sounds like Ottawa still has some good clubs. The strip club business in many cities has just dropped off and many clubs are closing and hurting. I figure it's due to higher and higher prices, drunk driving awareness and let's face it you spend 200.00 in 30 minutes in a club and walk away with blue balls in most cases so the millage is low compared to other places. I know the massage spa's in many cities are taking a lot more people's money then the strip clubs do these days. When the clubs started charging 6.00+ a drink (many having a mandatory drink rule to buy a drink every 30/45 minutes) and 20+ a song per dance I knew the industry was going to burn itself out. I still recall the party days where the clubs were packed, the dances were 5.00 a song and were done on the horseshoe private stages or the little dance stools the ladies would carry around (when the clubs were standing room only on weekends). I knew many of the ladies back then an they make MUCH more money back then at 5.00 a song then most do these days at 20.00 a song.... but things change. It will be an interesting read to see how the clubs are doing in Ottawa. The last time I took a club tour in Ottawa was about 1997 (I think) I remember barbarella diamons, bare fax and a place called the pink panther over in QC. I think we hit about 5 or 6 places that night but that is all I recall from those days. The QC clubs were so very different from the Ottawa clubs (they had private rooms in some of them) is that still the case?

Ask and you shall receive. LOL... Stripclub discussion forum now open (and this thread has been moved).

Please do not post phone numbers on the threads. If you wish to give it out let people know you will PM them the info if they wish. Thanks.

I think we are going to do it 4 times a year for now... I set a reminder to start it every 3 months so it gives the award more value and lots of time for people to SHINE.

Boo, no need to take that personally. I was using this as a reference to show yesguy123 and a-lone42long that new members are hard to trust (and why) as they have not proven themselves yet either. Michelle_MA does come highly recommended so using this as an example will not effect her popularity in any way as everyone knows she does not need anyone to SHILL post for her. I was just stating a fact as some new members take offense to the fact that they have no credibility when they come on as new members. My point was only that trust on these sites and reputation are earned. Comments were being made such as "Guilty until proven innocent" and I just wanted to correct them as it has nothing to do with Guilty or Innocent as it's a matter of trust and proving yourselves to the other members.

and yes, Michelle_MA comes highly recommended from many of our credible long term members here as you can see..