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Discovery channel had a whole documentary on this guy.. it looked like he was turning into a tree.

We just need to kick start the room. A few of the ladies who are not affraid to use the web cams could really kick off this feature. If the ladies use the room for text/audio or video on a regular basis the room will get busy. Right now we have about 15 people who have logged into the room today. Most of the members stay logged in for a while to see if anyone is going to pop in and then leave... don't be discouraged as this is normal when a chat room launches. I know sometimes the chat window hangs when connecting (We are trying to solve that problem but if you close the window and log back in it will usually connect). What we may do is open the room to viewers on escorts-canada / localescorts / etc... and see if we can draw more people into the room on a more regular basis. We are going to try to get rid of the connection hang first however.

I think I found a photo of cowboy's home computer! This explains a lot! ;)

I don't mind postings like this as long as they are genuine and not posted more then one. I would however suggest some examples of sites you have done for some other ladies? A website of your own perhaps? etc.. Most of the ladies know that they can acquire free sites such as the rare-escorts sites so you really need to show someone what the difference is with a unique custom site (more control over marketing, design, function, etc...) - also it's hard to compete with free.

Here is the direct link http://www.escorts-canada.com/cgi-bin/ad?id=6308 (just click the "LINK TO THIS AD" button on the actual ad on EC to acquire a direct link you can post)

Thanks for jumping in here Cowboy... Joe King: We appreciate you posting the B&S info here. What we want to avoid here are two things. (1) we don't want to send people who are new to the business to CL as 90% of the ads (or more) are bait and switch so it could really make them loose faith in online advertising (and the industry in general) if the first lady they meet turns out to be nothing like the photo. (2) Bait and switch agencies change phone numbers as much as fake agency names (and ladies names) so posting a phone number on a board like this could cause someone in the future to get crank calls or calls asking for service. This causes angry people to contact us and yell a lot. The way I edited it (Phone: 604-5**-2*27) solves this problem as people can easily identify the number in the ad.

Welcome to the site Miranda!

The ladies often ask to have the ads taken down for various reasons (or) they let the ad expire and have not renewed it yet. If that was her only contact chances are she is taking a little summer break (many of the ladies do that in the summer months).

I moved this out of the recommendation area

Agree, I put in a support ticket with the company who is working on this with us. Hopefully they can help resolve this. If it stalls on the connecting screen just close the window and try again (it will log in eventually - hopefully this is something that can be fixed easily)

4 days left to nominate someone then the vote poll goes up once again!

You can get her direct link by clicking on the button on the ladies page and you would post the "or use this url" link at the bottom of the information window... Here it is http://www.escorts-canada.com/cgi-bin/ad?id=4593

DON'T SIGN IT and DON'T SHOW THEM YOUR BILL Even if you show them your bill they immediately record your account number and sign you up (Many without a signature). Worst thing is the rate may be lower or locked in but the fine print may hide some monthly fee's and a period of 90 days to cancel. My book keeper thought she was doing us a favor and showed the sales guy our bill one day when he showed up at the office (when I was not in)... He calculated a savings of a few thousand hundred a year and she fell for it... the guy signed us up (without my signature) and two months later we got a surprise! A 180.00 extra fee showed up on the bill. I immediately called the utility company and they said "Did you sign up with another reseller or show them your bill?" I said no and the utility company said I would need to contact them and gave me the contact information. I demanded that they remove this from my bill and they said that they can not remove it, only the company listed can remove it (even though I pay these guys for the bill)? Yes .. fu@ked up eh!? My book keeper then fessed up and admitted to showing the bill to the sales guy and I told her she had to deal with it. It took her about 10 calls over about 6 months, she was hung up on about 4 times after being on hold for long periods of time (all to annoy you and to make canceling even harder) they promised to cancel it a number of times during that period and never did ... and it was well over 800.00+ in extra charges. She never did get it canceled we just happen to be moving offices and was able to cancel the utility bill. I think the company way called ontario energy savings or something like that. My tip if you signed up with any of these guys and are now locked in... cancel your utility bill and put it in your wife/best friend/parents/uncles/etc... name (someone with a different last name) and tell them you moved... it's next to impossible to get out of these things. I personally would have never signed or even shown the guy the bill.

It is brand new and will take a while to catch on but anyone who has interest in something like this should visit often and stick around for a while to get the chat going. Also to encourage the ladies I made a specific calendar that allows them to announce when they plan to be the chat (especially with video and/or audio) it can be like a Q&A time for the service provider and I think could really catch on.

Nothing raunchy or sexual Emma, in fact if anyone is reported to be harassing any of the sp's for nudity or cam sex they will be banned from the chat (maybe the site). I made a post about it here that explains it all... http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=4673 It's just another way you can market your services and also enjoy the community we have here.

We now have a video and audio chat room! The video and audio is optional of course and you can choose who can see you! You can make private rooms as well but we discourage any nudity in the rooms (that is better in person). For all the service providers who would like to announce a time that you will be available for video chat or audio chat please do by clicking the icon on the front page. (It is a calendar specifically for announcing chat appearances!) Ladies: The guys would love to see and hear from any of the ladies at anytime (The room is always open so please drop by and see who's online at any time) however if you announce a specific times it will be easier for you all to get together. It's a great marketing tool if you choose to use it and lots of fun for everyone as well. Guys: Please do not ask the ladies to get naked (or the guys who may be brave enough to use the cam system). The room is for chat and not cybersex or anything vulgar. If you are caught or reported asking for webcam sex or anything like that you will be banned. Your cerb membership is linked to the chat room so if you get banned from the chat room for being rude or distasteful you may be banned from the entire site. Everyone: The room will be empty a lot of the time as people pop in and out regularly. We just installed this 30 minutes ago and already 8 people have popped in and left. Stick around, leave yourself logged in for a while and wait for others to join. The room will not be busy all the time. Book a time on the calendar to let others know when you plan to be around (include a subject even that you wish to discuss). Features: The new chat room is full of features, spend some time to read the help and also check out the features! You can send images, drawings, audio, video and so much more. It has smilies, colors, fonts, and the list goes on...

She is a member here and I am 99% sure this is not a shill. She use to go under a different name (have been asked not to say it for personal reasons) and was very well reviewed (Recommended) so the chance of this being a shill is very low. Here is a link to her ad: http://www.escorts-canada.com/cgi-bin/ad?id=3010

I agree, it's not right. I am just letting everyone know the reasons I am told from the ladies and the agencies I confront about this and passing the info on to you guys. Remember I have dealt with this problem for MANY many MANY many years now. (At least 10 times a month). I remember last year .... a montreal agency tried to put up a whack of fake ads on EC and I called him and asked him point blank on the phone what he was doing. He straight out said "we own the copyrights to the photos, we purchased the royalty rights to publish them and print them from a website" and he got very mad when I told him that if the photos are not real genuine photos we of the actual ladies available we would not post them. He said the ladies refused to have photos online and these photos brought him more business anyway. I said "but it's wrong and your baiting and switching your customers with fake photos and generic descriptions"... he sees nothing wrong with it as he said "it would be to expensive to put up ads for all the ladies and the point of the ads it to get the guys to call then they would sell the available ladies to the guys while they had the guy on the phone, You can send anyone close to the photo and these guys don't have a clue". We of course refused to put these photos up and he never did advertise with us but since he was willing to pay for A LOT of ads with us I assume his agency was pretty big and just one giant bait and switch scam. I get calls and emails all the time from the Asian ones... just look at the front page of terb now... OMG my eyes hurt with all the flashy asian banners - all look the same. This is 10's or Thousands of dollars in revenue to put up all these ads (WE REFUSE THEM ALL) that is why it pisses me off so much when someone makes a idiot comment like "the ad is still running because of the money" - Bullshit... it's because we give the ladies an opportunity to come clean and educate them and persuade them into doing the right thing. No, I don't think it's right or acceptable in any way... but I am smart enough to know why it happens. Marketing is very important in any business and if you have a crappy as seen on tv product but market it right with fancy images you make millions. Pet Rock? Most of the brand name stuff we buy is no better then the no-name stuff but we are willingly pay more as the marketing makes us think it's better. I don't like it anymore then you guys. Honest (That is why we have a bait and switch area here to rat people out for doing it. But the real reason I have the bait and switch area here is to detour the bait and switch people from joining cerb.ca and posting bait and switch photos - it appears to be a very smart thing as we have very little problem here with that).... but the problem would not exist if they were not making money doing it... so you guys have to send the ladies away when they bait and switch you (and if enough of you do the agencies will stop as they will loose girls and loose money) if you guys accept the booking then you loose and encourage them to keep doing it. My guess is Cowboy.... if the person is using fake photos she does not have any intention of being in the business very long (most of the women do not at first).... and also many women do this as they do not have lots of options to pay the bills. You do not need a education to be a escort, you can set your own working hours, you do not have to work for someone else, you can make the same money as a well educated university graduate (and then some) and in a pinch you can have all your bills paid off. This is the perfect business for a someone looking for a quick fix to financial difficulties and a perfect business for someone who does not want to do it full time for a living but put some extra money in her pocket. That is how many of the ladies get into this business. Others see friends making good money and try it out and very few get into it saying "I would like to choose prostitution as my career choice" (Sure some do, but even the ones who would admit to this would probably admit that it was not the first career choice).

I removed the comments about the ATM machines as usually they are put in by third party companies. I know from personal experience that the percentage and transaction fee's can be set (one or the other but at what ever level you want as long as you have the screen warn the customer of the amount before approving the transaction). I agree 10% is harsh but we had 10% on cash advances before the machine and we have 10% on the machine as well. It's pretty standard in that environment. Hit a machine before going so you do not need to pay the 10% or more... if you don't then you are paying a convenience charge for using it (same as they do in the clubs). I doubt they have the massage spa name on the bank records either... maybe a ontario corp number? I would be shocked if even a address was showing up but that may be mandatory??

At 5'5'' and 145lbs she is a bigger girl so part of the reason could be self conscious / esteem (I am just guessing as I don't know for sure) What I really think it is what I mentioned above. This seams to be the biggest reason I get when I ask them point blank why they did that. They simply do not want someone they know to accidentally find her doing this work (You know... father, friend, brother, horny uncle, next door neighbor, etc..) most of you guys would not put up your real name here or a real photo of yourself in your profile for the same reasons (you would not want others to know you are part of this world as it's not socially acceptable in many circles).

Don't vote here - wait till the poll is posted on the 14th and make your vote count... Being nominated is the important thing here as it shows that others value your contribution. Picking a winner doesn't start till the 14th when the poll goes live with all the nominations.

She has verified her new photos with us (it was the only way we would allow her to post her ad again on escorts-canada). We explained how bad it is to put up fake photos and how it damages the business. I really don't think the new independents realize how wrong this is and I think the fear of being found be someone who knows them supersedes the reasoning for using photos of someone else they find online with the same body type that they feel they can pass off as them. Now I am not making excuses (it's wrong, I hate it and I do scold them every time. But I also take the time to explain why it is so wrong and why it is so bad to do it. We do not allow negative posts here but we do have a bait and switch section on here so that is a pretty good indication as to how I feel about this as it is false marketing and just deceitful and wrong). Let's hope she learned her lesson but it's hard to re-establish any credibility once this is brought to everyone's attention! Thanks again to Cowboy Kenny for nipping another one in the but.

This is a big problem with street level prostitution (mostly) and the discussion boards are more for escorts/callgirls (Very different) but I am sure open discussions to bring the real prostitution problems to light are good as sites like these educate the public to the differences. Many people outside of the business only know of the stereotypes and think anyone who sells sexual services must be streetwalkers, on drugs and have pimps. We all know that this is very far from the truth. We also know that much of the street level prostitution is powered by drugs, pimps and all sorts of bad things that damage the reputation of all sex workers. The media has not interest in telling it as it is (Does not make for good news) so I guess it's our responsibility to educate the public and supply this information to anyone willing to read and educate themselves.

This thread is a shill thread as these users who posted here are all the same person! Troy_B, Ben_HX, $inCity, With further investigation we also found the following harleyman aaa_Sabrina All these account will be removed. I left some of the posts so you could all see what was going on. This is not acceptable.

Not confirmed but that was not the reason for the thread to be removed. The owner of the company who was mentioned asked us to remove the posts about her company. When the ladies ask us to remove posts pertaining to them we review the posts and if they have a valid reason to remove them then we do so. She claimed the posts were false (again not confirmed either way).