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Ok, I obviously need to explain this. PSE, GFE, ROBOTIC, MECHANICAL, ETC... These are STYLES of service and not actual SERVICES offered like DFK, CIM, BBBJ, ETC... I have witnessed most of these terms online since the beginning... and this is the best advise I can give you on these terms... The term "GFE" (Girl Friend Experience) started because some of the ladies were being referred to as "Mechanical" (get the job done as quick as possible, very robotic, no interest shown, etc...). The GFE term came about as being the opposite to "Mechanical" meaning the experience is warm and inviting with the fantasy of actual sexual attraction, comfort and interest shown. More of a caring and erotic service. Usually kissing, caressing and a sexual interest was shown to the client to make him feel comfortable and to make the experience more enjoyable (even if it was not genuine it was displayed as an act and part of the fantasy and experience). Kind of like a new relationship where you romp every night and explore each other. Bottom line however is... it is NOT a mechanical feeling or the dead corpse as someone so gracefully referred to it back in the day! A GFE service also is not someone who is a "clock watcher" (This doesn't mean you can overstay your welcome however). I would NOT expect anything more then this when you see this term. Anything else added to this term has it's own abbreviations such as DFK, BBBJ, COF, Etc... so you can not assume these things are included when you see GFE. If they are offered you should see them along side the GFE. PSE (Porn Star Experience) was started to simply say "Above and beyond the normal service". Usually means very enthusiastic, multiple positions and such things as COF or CIM or GREEK (But you would need to clarify this as it could exclude these things as again it's just a generalization of the style of service and not the actual services offered. Pretty much what you would see in the xxx hardcore movies (It DOES NOT mean sex without a condom) For those of you who think GFE and PSE mean more then what I have said above... My advise to you is that your just setting yourself up for disappointment. Do not assume things are included as these ARE NOT specific services! These terms are generalizations as to "the style" of service you can expect to receive and NOT the actual services offered.

I deleted the responses as they were negative reviews and one SHILL post. At this time she is not recommended by the users here. If you disagree with this PM me and let me know but at this time we have received some unwanted bad reviews that we do not wish to post here.

I moved it

My reply was just to clarify (I would hate to have someone read the thread and assume that a by-law was some how connected to a criminal code) the by-law enforcement officers in many cities scare the ladies, they act and say things that are intended to scare them. I feel it's important to let the ladies know that by-law and criminal law are VERY different. By-Law offenses have no criminal record or jail time and Jillian is absolutely right that the city uses (abuses) these powers to try to cope with anything they think is a "public nuisance" such as escorts, street walkers, pan handlers, and so on. They make people believe that these by-laws are actually real LAW's and really it's just a way for the politicians to say "Look we are trying to deal with this - see what we have done" to all the people who complain about such things. I would think that 95% of the people who consider escorts a nuisance are religious activists with moral hangups about the sex trade and I would guess that less then 5% are people who live close to a incall location and realize what all the in and out traffic is (A reason why incall locations are still illegal). People are opposed to the industry for other reasons (moral reasons mostly) but I can't see these others thinking it is a nuisance. I believe what is happening is streetwalkers are being grouped in with the escorts ... We all know that is not the case! Sure they have the same job but the environment but most of the population does not realize that "streetwalkers" and "Escorts" are very very different. The property owners, business owners and general public are exposed to the streetwalkers all the time in specific area's and I am sure they continually call and visit mp's and raise a fuss about this - demanding that action be taken to fix it.

I posted my reasons in my first response JohnD. It was to make it very clear that this was NOT acceptable here!

This does sound like a shill post so I am going to leave it for now.

Yes, they do but they can not make these by-laws based on "Moral" reasons. They must be fair and just and must have a valid reason. Smoking in the presence of others endangers those other people unwillingly. This is not a "Moral" reason but a public safety concern. By-Laws are NOT part of the criminal code. You can not go to jail for breaking a by-law. The resources a municipality has to collect by-law fines are as follows. Additional court and administrative costs Collection enforcement Licence suspension Involvement by 3rd party collection agencies Credit problems In other words they can take your license if you paid for one, they can continue to fine you and they can send a collection agency after you if you refuse to pay the fines and that would mess up your credit. By-Law offenses are not criminal code and it does not go on your police record. They offered her a choice of a charge or a 3 day "Hooker Camp" where she is sent off to a resort with streetwalkers and councilors. As most of the ladies do she took the 3 day vacation to avoid the criminal charge and court. So very true! And you must unite and work together! That is the last thing they want (and expect). You must educate yourselves and each other and stand up for your rights, know your criminal code laws as knowledge is power in this world.

Can we drop the gangs and mafia comments please. It's bad enough that the business has a dark side (all business's do) but comments like that just feed the already negative stereotype and only account for a small portion of the business and very little within the online world of service providers.

Some municipalities are defining the word "Escort" improperly here in Canada! In municipal by-law's some cities here in Canada have defined the word "Escort" as a person who goes on paid dates but does not participate in sexual acts with clients in exchange for money. They do this as they want to license escorts but they do not want to accept that the escorts are having sex for the money (that would make them pimps and pimping or "living off the avails" is illegal in Canada). We all know that the term "Escort" is a person who is a "Sexual service provider" also known as such things as a "Call girl", "Courtesan", "Prostitute", "hooker", "Whore", "Harlot", and many other names. Many of the names are demeaning and not respectful as we all know so the ladies choose to use better words such as "Escort" so that they are not grouped in with the women who solicit sex illegally on the street (Also illegal in Canada). In Canada being paid for sex is legal and paying for sex is also legal. What is not legal is pimping, underage of 18, public solicitation / communicating / procuring for the purpose of sex and keeping a bawdy-house. Your common "out-call" service provider who does not solicit in public, does not have a pimp, is of legal age and charges for sex is not breaking the law! So why can they not call themselves a "Escort" in some municipalities? Because the municipality writes these by-laws defining the word "Escort" to mean something that it is not! Most municipalities do this to try to get rid of the ladies. Many of you think they do this because they want to make money off the girls... but that is not true! They don't want the girls in the cities at all. They want to force them to move to another city or quit being a prostitute all together. They use any revenue made from the licenses to further police (and I say police but remember they are not real police they are paid city officials that are actually by-law enforcement and can not charge anyone with a criminal code charge - as much as some will try to make you believe they have this power) Some cities are going to even greater lengths by asking the local police to accompany the by-law officers and try to entrap a few ladies into public solicitation (so that they can stir some fear in the ladies). Yes, they are actually doing this! You can read a thread here on cerb where one lady was tricked into going for a drink at the bar in the lobby of the hotel where she met her date... the date tried to talk to her about sex acts and next thing you know she was being arrested. Yes this is entrapment and she did know better... but I guess she felt the conversation was private enough and he was a good actor (she paid the price) but this is low! She did not want to go to the bar to have a drink with this person and he pretty much demanded it just so he could trick her and charge her. Nice eh! Makes me sick too! A note to the municipalities, We know many by-law guys and probably city officials read sites like this. You should as this should be a big fear for you. Bulling people is fun until all the people you bully get together and form a community and rise up against you! The definition of a ESCORT is "a person who provides a SEXUAL SERVICE to a customer and exchanges SEX for MONEY" - For your information... this is LEGAL in Canada! Just because you make a by-law that redefines the word "ESCORT" to suit your needs it will not hold up in court! You can not pass a by-law based on your MORAL REASONS and you can not charge a ESCORT a LICENSE FEE knowing that they have sex for money as this makes your city a PIMP and you are in turn LIVING OFF THE AVAILS OF PROSTITUTION and you are breaking the law!! With the INTERNET and communities like this one here on CERB the ladies are starting to UNITE and work together! Activist groups are now challenging the laws in court that take rights away from sex trade workers - don't think that this will not trickle down to the municipalities who are also taking away legal rights of people! It will not be long till you bully the ladies enough in your city that they unite and challenge your moral based by-law in court. It will end up costing your city a fair amount of money and one nasty slap on the hand to tell you that you can not take rights away from people who are not breaking the law (just because you don't like what they do for a living!) You should take the advise of your town lawyers who have probably told you that passing a by-law like this can backfire, it's only a matter of time before the ladies unite against you (any many men support them - every day more are supporting the ladies publicly as well as it's not so taboo any more to employee the services of a sex trade worker. It is the oldest profession as you know! Keep in mind that with todays technology (the internet) it's much easier to communicate and form communities (Like this one) you and other cities could bully the ladies in the past (knowing they would not group together) but you are very wrong if you think that will continue in this day and age... it simply will not hold true! Bottom line... No matter what you do you will not get rid of prostitution in your city - Too much need and demand for it - let's face it... if no demand existed you would not have such a large number of ladies working in the profession now would you!?!

Did I miss something here? Someone fill me in!

In this case it's a poorly managed club obviously... but the policy of the customer always being right went out the door years ago! Too many people over the years took advantage of that policy and as much as companies want to make you feel like you are right... when push comes to shove most companies no longer hold that policy. If you really think you live in a world where the customer is always right you are sadly very mistaken. Pop that bubble and realize even if you are right no one cares most of the time! Some companies can weed out the people trying to abuse the policy and do try to please the customer if possible but most customers these days that claim "the customer is always right" are usually the cheap customers looking to screw someone (not true in this case but very often that is the case) If you find a company that pitches this policy (wallie-mart for instance) it is because they make sooo much money they can afford to be screwed (and they are even smartening up about that now-a-days because too many people are abusing that policy. You live in a capitalist society where profit is number one and customer support is a the bottom of the list (and usually sucks) ... all the money goes into advertising and very little goes into training and support.... in fact I am on hold right now as I type this thread (with Rogers) have been for 3.5 hours now and I have talked to about 7 people as our email accounts were all canceled today without warning and no one can fix this so far. This is about the 6th hour in the last 2 days with Rogers... I have been hung up on twice, told the wrong information about 10 times and literally been fu@ked around and not in any enjoyable way! (You all know exactly what I mean as everyone here I am sure has had the pleasure of the 1 hour hold just to be disconnected or transfered again to someone else!!! Or worse some idiot who pushes the wrong button and makes life that much more difficult for everyone! It's just the way it is. This guy at the stripclub... do you think the bouncer or dj cares? It's not his place... do you think the club owner gives a shit? No... Chances are it was put on the site with good intentions and as every good intention in business someone (or a number of people) with out of province ID's abused the no-cover policy and they just said fuck it everyone pays cover from now on. Or it could have been put on the site with ill intention to get you to the door and most people would just pay the cover and say ok and not be cheap about a 7.00 cover... so few people these days would hold ground over 7.00 that this is possible. Bottom line... they don't care and they have no reason to care.... Have you heard the saying "You show me a business where the customer is always right and I will show you a business that will be closed in less then 3 years" this has replaced the "customer is always right" saying. If you open a business in this day and age and claim the customer is always right you (and your good intentions) will be poor and jobless very quickly.

I find this comment to be rude and has no place here on cerb!! It was a reply to some photos that were posted of another lady with a positive recommendation by one of the members here. Julie felt the need to comment "sexy, looks like a 2 by 4 ..." in response to the ladies photos. I moved it to it's own thread instead of deleting it as I appreciate Cowboy and Dummpy's quick reply to it. This comment was rude and unnecessary but since Julie felt the need to comment about another ladies photo's in this way I am going to leave the thread active so everyone can see it and judge her for themselves. Personally anyone who makes a comment like this about another human being I personally would not want anything to do with them. Others here I am sure feel the same. Julie, if you do not have anything nice to say... please do not say anything at all.

I changed the remarks above to remove anything really negative. I know everyone wants to warn others when they have a bad experience... I just don't want to see them in the public threads! Can we keep the comments out of the public area. If you feel the need to warn someone post a reply like "Check your PM" and send them information privately. I changed the above comments to "Not Recommended" as obviously some concern exists about this person but I am on the fence right now about even posting the comment "Not Recommended" as it could still be used to damage someone's business who does not deserve this. If you see someone post "Check your PM" and you had a good time with the lady... please vouch for her and take the time to let people know! or people will assume the worst. So... just to be clear! Use the PM system to warn others about your bad experiences if you feel the need. If someone publicly asks for information about someone you feel a comment must be made about then please post a reply saying "Check you PM" and let them know privately. Then we all know what the "Check you PM" means and can ask that user for more information privately if you have further questions about that lady.

IF I have to remove posts like this again I am going to delete the people involved. NO FIGHTING! Period. If you have a problem with someone and feel the need to flame each other publicly - do it elsewhere! That includes the cat fights and the guys throwing in nasty comments! LAST WARNING FOR EVERYONE INVOLVED HERE.

LOL... I wasn't fishing for a complement. LOL... but thanks.

It's a ongoing fight to keep people like this off the board. They register a account and rapidly post spam all over the board in hopes that some people view it before the moderator can remove it. (Just a glimpse of what the mods on these boards have to deal with day to day)

No, I must stay neutral obviously. I am sure some of the members can add some info. I think she is touring so make sure you ask in the cities she has been if that is the case.

http://www.escorts-canada.com/cgi-bin/ad?id=7105 (*this is her right?)

The fact that you have not heard anything may be a sign.

Please don't post your negative reviews here as I just have to delete them and post a infaction on you for doing it. What happened here is exactly what we need to happen. A few of the regulars step in and vouch that the recommendation is legit. By sticking up for the lady it reconfirms the original recommendation and adds value to the board. The same however happens when someone posts a real fake post (Many of the regulars will PM me to let me know it's fake) If you disagree with someone's glowing review and you had a very different experience with her you can PM me. I won't pull it based on one PM (well maybe if it's from a few people who I feel are very reputable) but if enough of you say "This is BS" to me I will remove it. It really is pointless to post "Your a newbie why should be believe you" every time someone new contributes. If it's legit you could insult someone that would be a valuable member here. This is where you may choose to pass or TOFTT and find out first hand.

You know... a group sit down with a lawyer may be a good idea. I bet most of the ladies in Winnipeg who advertise online have legal questions! If someone took the time to find a lawyer who knows this law well in Winnipeg and pitch a "group" rate for a few hours to ask questions he/she would give you a rate and then you just need everyone to contribute. I know first hand that in Toronto they have a strip club owners association that does this type of thing. They have a yearly membership fee (it's non-profit) and they meet to discuss laws and use the fee's to pay for legal consulting and even court battles. You also have such groups as "Exotic Dancers Rights Association of Canada" and even sex workers have groups like spoc (Sex professionals of Canada http://www.spoc.ca/) who are fighting for better rights for sex workers. Now you may not agree with changing the law (as we all know that could go either way and backfire on everyone) but most groups for sex workers just want a safer working environment and some better guidelines made so no one takes anyone else's rights away from them. Now SPOC is challenging the criminal code here in Canada (April 2008 is the court date) and they are fighting the bawdy house, avails and communication laws in court. They have valid points as to why they wish to protest the law as they wish to make it safer but the criminal court of Canada could simply say... "Your right, it's unsafe we need stricter laws" and make things worse for the ladies or open up more gray area's that can be exploited by bad people. I am hoping for the best as our supreme court judges try very hard not to pass laws based on moral reasons and human rights and public safety is valued very high ... but you never know!

I am not censoring it as CL (in this thread) but we don't want to direct anyone to it who does not know about it already. This is a highly censored board. We are not running it like other sites. We do not allow negative reviews, negative comments, fights/flames, etc... and we do not allow links to other directories and we have a list of BAD sites we censor as well. CL is one of them. Free sites are bad! You can see from the threads here! They encourage all the bait and switch companies to post... people are putting up fake ads with other legit girls photos... people are putting up fake ads with ex-girlfriends phone numbers... etc... etc... (Many bad things happen on these free sites - cause it's free!) Very little chance that these things would happen on a paid directory .. so the paid directories get better quality ads and they are able to weed out the bad apples. I feel no reason why we should want to promote sites like that here so the censors will stay in place and anyone circumventing the censors will get the boot. Thanks.

Your welcome. Thanks for the comments.

Bumped.......

It's censored as we do not want to encourage people to visit and learn about it. Really your better off not knowing. lol