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I hate the .live.com sites... Need a real site.

Here is the link to PK on localescorts.ca for pink kitty and we are working on getting the info up on escortscanada.com as well. (Brooke is still showing as available on loalescorts so we will have that removed). NOTE: Ladies Bio's and info on localescorts and escorts-canada are being added shortly as well LOCALESCORTS: http://www.localescorts.ca/cgi-bin/adc?id=2555 ESCORTSCANADA: http://www.escorts-canada.com/pinkkitty

No, the post in question was deleted (it was 100%) I will consider reinstating the account after 30 days but this CAN NOT be tolerated (even by the best girls and this lady does appear to come highly recommended so I am not sure why she would even risk doing this... what it often is boils down to a agency, friend trying to help, roommate, co-worker, boyfriend, husband, etc... who logs in under a different account and things they are doing good by shill posting to draw more business for the lady. At times the ladies don't even know this is happening. I am not saying that is what happened here, I am just letting you know that is often the case (I have had many girls in the past before cerb tell me that this was going on)

Here is her EC link - http://www.escorts-canada.com/cgi-bin/ad?id=6947 Many of the ladies are slow at returning emails but she posts her phone number so give her a call. With the amount of spam and spam filters these days chances are your email ended up in her spam or junk folder. Remember these girls post the email address publicly so the SPAM BOTS (that collect email address's and use them for spam) pick up all publicly advertisers email address's and spam them to death! You may be right about being too busy but you won't know for sure unless you pick up the phone.

We always have online translators too such as "babblefish" ... it's not 100% accurate but enough that we usually know what's going on. http://babelfish.altavista.com/

The IP address shows that it was the same IP for both the shill post and the retraction post so I have suspended this account. On a good note... It looks like Alex has some nice customers who are not shill posting here and she does get excellent reviews. I am not sure why she would do this (or allow someone to do this from her computer) but until I receive a valid explanation my decision to suspend her account stands. I know it's tempting to post good stuff about yourself to draw some quick business but it's not excusable and will not be tolerated here.

At this time no "Rule book" exists for how agencies are operated, what they can charge and how they do things but thank you for your response and input on the subject. This post was intended to explain to the public what the "normal" is in this business (Averages) and not pointing a finger at any particular agency. From the general consensuses here on cerb your agency is run better then most and your comments are a direct reflection on this. I am glad you are not taking the normal 50% and I am glad you are considering the girls well being. Your post does confirm for everyone what the agencies are all about (management, security, advertising, scheduling and clerical duties). Those were the points I was trying to get across and to open peoples eyes so they realize it's not that easy or cheap to run a service. Most people don't realize the costs involved and most people don't realize that when they book through an agency the girl only gets say 100.00/hr of the money they are handing over (Often much less - especially after the driver gets paid). When the ladies go from working with an agency to working as independents they quickly find out that it costs a lot more then they "assumed" to keep the business running and is a lot more work so again this is why some of the ladies choose to continue to work for an agency and often just take a few good clients off on the side.... and a reason why agencies will loose 2 or 3 ladies at a time as they will group together, share costs and work independently as a group without an agency. At least you contribute here on the board and let people know what your all about, many agencies don't want any extra attention in matters like this. I doubt we will have any other comments from any other agencies on this thread... ...but we all know the other local agencies are reading this too and not saying anything.

If you spoke to the actual lady then it would be legal. If the agency sells a sex service however then they are "Living off the avails" and could be prosecuted as a pimp so they are not legally allowed to acknowledge in any way that sex is included in the price. See the agency is just suppose to be a "Reception service" for the entertainer (Booking agent) they are paid to take care of the advertising, phone calls, screening, drivers and accommodations (usually) and all other clerical work. They are not suppose to know what happens during the date. This is one of the reasons our sex laws are being challenged here in Canada as it would be much better if the agencies could admit to this and offer the ladies condoms, safe sex consulting and many other things... but the law makers don't want to make it easy for pimps so this gray area law helps the law be able to charge any agency (intention is obviously to give the police the power to bring down the true pimps but the public is so poorly educated when it comes to law in general that they often abuse this to look good in the public eye... yeah we busted XX number of illegal prostitution rings - just before election time... you all know the drill). Bottom line, the agencies can not legally sell sex. Look up the criminal code law (Section 212 - you can easily find it on line using goggle) and read it. You do not need to be a lawyer to read it, it's written in plain English and you will understand better when the agencies can not discuss sex acts. Jessika can speak here much more openly cause this is a anonymous chat forum and to prosecute her from something she said here would require the law to obtain a court and deliver it to our isp (Hosting company) and make them hand over the ip logs and then get another court order for her isp and make them hand over the logs as well and then compare them (Not likely since the logs are HUGE and this would just not be worth the effort and expense - especially since our ISP is intentionally in the USA and not in Canada). hope this helps.

You can legally discuss money in exchange for sex in Canada as long as you do it in private. Street walkers, public meeting places and even cell phones (but that is pushing it) are all considered public places. Once the doors are closed and no one is is around it's private and discussion can take place. In the USA it is illegal to discuss this anywhere except for where they have legal brothels.

PK does not have a website and the website they advertise on we do not allow links to (this includes instructions on how to find it and broken urls so that our censor system does not censor the link) If this continues I will be forced to bad all information about this agency. I have asked Dave at LocalEscorts to contact PK and offer them free advertising on www.localescorts.ca for a few months as they are obviously the most popular agency here on cerb and we desperatly need a website we can send people to but I will have no part in sending out traffic to the site they are currently advertising on. Now they have no reason to no have a valid listing to post here as Dave has agreed to advertise them all on localescorts for 6 months just to promote the ottawa section of the site. No more links or references to the other site please - thank you

I would disagree with that Dreamer. Usually a good inde girl will do better then an agency girl if they market themselves right. They may take less calls but let me explain a few things and give you all a little insight here. The agency tells the girls what the agency rate is and how much they will get (usually around 50% after the driver is paid sometimes less sometimes more) so they agree to do calls threw the agency at that rate because the agency promises to keep them busy, take care of bookings, take care of drivers or accommodations, take care of advertising, etc... Oh, and the agency will promise the girls they will make a few thousand a week. Well for an agency girl to make a few thousand a week they have to take on average 5 calls a day 7 days a week... OUCH! Come on guys... think about that! Often the agencies can not deliver on this promise... and even if they can that is a lot of work for someone in this business (Makes for poor service - especially for client number 4 and 5 that day! and that is average it could be 8 calls one day and 3 the next day) Often the girls wise up to this and go independent, take less calls per day, work when they want to, charge a slightly higher premium and give a better service cause they are happier and not worn out all the time. A lot of people don't trust agencies and find they get better service with the independent ladies. I know when I get paid more I work harder and when I am not tired and enjoy my job I work even better (No difference). Many agencies know guys don't trust the agencies so often they market the ladies as inde girls (Don't know personally if this happens much in Ottawa but cities like Vancouver, Winnipeg and Toronto it's very popular so I am sure it happens in Ottawa). I find the opposite in Montreal however, for some reason the agencies seam to control everything but we can save that for another thread as I will never understand the business in Montreal! No mater how you look at it the girl will eventually say "hey, I can make more money and work less if I do this without the agency". Some of them return when they realize that booking advertising, appointments, scheduling, emails, phone call questions, screening, rent, drivers, etc... really are a lot to handle on top of the actual JOB so often the girls will fall back to the agencies (and in slow times the girls go to the agencies and work for a few months - often scoop up some of the agencies regulars by passing private contact numbers)... If you notice the really good girls don't seam to stick with the agency... so the agency is constantly in need of new girls. They recruit new girls to the business and once the girls get wise on how it works... off they go. The only ones that stick around are the ones who are too unorganized to manage themselves and take comfort in the agency doing this for them. I see guys here all the time bitching cause the girl doesn't return emails or answer her phone, or misses appointments, etc... well now you know why. Remember most of these ladies do not have a degree in business management so you must expect some drawbacks. Now the greed... if the girl goes independent of an agency they must (1) take care of advertising expenses (Much more to advertise one girl then say 10 girls if you work out the per girl costs involved - especially in Ottawa with the SUN's prices!!) (2) they have to take care of scheduling and bookings (3) drivers (if they do outcalls) / Hotel or rental expenses if they do incalls (and this can be very costly if she is using the incall location all to herself) ... and the list goes on. So really you can't say it's greed. Do you not ever wonder why the agency staff turn around is soo high? Why do the girls you like to book with that agency always leave?? It's really not hard to figure out. Hope that sheds some light on this subject. Hopefully the guys who complain about prices, service, missed appointments, scheduling, returned emails, asking stupid time wasting questions to the ladies, etc... read this and realize why this stuff happens.

Yeah... ok. Why bother posting crap like this?

TIP: Don't trust the ads on Craigslist or any other free classified site (including the ads on escorts-canada in the free classifieds and the section here on cerb.ca even). When they are free ads with no accountability you will get lots of bait and switch ads and undesirables so be careful.

I think Carlos means they leave PK and go independent and charge 250.00 and he does not understand why they would raise the rates if they were no longer paying agency fee's. I could be wrong, Obviously Carols's first language is not English so he could be struggling with the translation here.

If your emails are as bad as this post they probably don't return them because they have NO IDEA what you are saying.!!

Since it's owned by ebay I was surprised it had one to begin with. This is no surprise to me.

Hi Pete and aa_allu Do you agree or disagree with Gary about the photos? Here is the link http://www.escorts-canada.com/cgi-bin/ad?id=3742

That is not a nice statement! Sounds like you had a bad experience but you can not round up all the escorts in a city and say they are all bad. Comments like this are not necessary or appreciated by anyone.

I see no evidence of shill posts by WTF for Evita here. I am suppose to not take sides (especially in heated discussions) so I won't but when you make a claim like this you should be able to back it up (and I don't mean links to other discussion boards! If your going to make that statement here you better have proof here that this is happening!) I removed anything that could be considered slanderous and will leave the thread just in case this person is actually harassing the ladies (and since I have no proof of that I am not assuming that this is true or false at this time). If anyone else has any comments please PM them to me if you do not wish to post them publicly.

Let's not forget he also posted a phone number so I just removed the entire post.

That's funny! Thanks for the link!! I am shocked that the undercover cop allowed himself to be touched then included that in his testimony. Very interesting.

I moved this to the proper area (It is Winnipeg right?)

Full service massage spa's are target in many cities for busts as they fall under the common bawdy house law. Some cities turn a blind eye to the HJ and even sometimes the BJ ones from the general consensus on these boards. Bottom line is, if they are offering sexual services then it is a bawdy house so beware a risk always exists. The level of risk would depend on the city... maybe someone with more info for Ottawa can add to this as I personal am not aware of any major problem with the MPs in Ottawa but then again I don't live in Ottawa.

A different approach on a in-call location. Even though common bawdy house is illegal still in Canada (A In-Call Location) the law turns a blind eye to it at times it seams unless a pimp is involved, public complaints or suspected drug problems. Living off the avails (Pimping) is very illegal as well as underage prostitution so will the law accept a in-call location that no one lives off the avails? These ladies in this story are working on a non-profit "Co-Op" brothel idea that is drawing up some interest. "Paterson said she and Casey are volunteering their time and effort to develop the brothel project. She said she won't be paid when it opens." - Quote from story Full story here: http://canadianpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5h7vzMj4A26uWmBGRRiF_kB0pvtBg

No idea. Sorry... they usually come back if they are serious advertisers