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Drakas, I hope you were just trying to be funny. All women are queens? We gotta respect all women? This is total BS!! Women are human beings. We do not need to respect all human beings. Some human beings are horrible. This includes women. It also includes men. Respect is earned. It is not something that is simply granted to you because you happen to have a specific gender.

Honestly, Rambler, I would never do any of the things that you are describing in your post. I am always clean and sober for any encounter of this kind. I would never negotiate or short a woman. I behave always in an ethical way. I also like to keep my commitments. Unfortunately, I have to listen to my instincts. In the future, I will not carry through if something doesn't feel right. It's tough in the situation I was in. No idea if this woman is volatile, has someone watching her, etc. Backing out could be just as, or more dangerous than carrying through. Anyhow, there are two sides to this, Ladies. Complain all you want about the men; there are a big chunk of women in this business who are just as bad. Again, I am new to this and have a lot to learn.

Greenteal, this was a long term member of Lyla. Admittedly, few comments written about her, but ... We certainly, can't count on long term members of this site being of good quality. OK, I'm new to this, lesson learned! You also have a nice weekend.

You're right about the date. The November I mistakenly selected was that of one of the last poster. Sorry, I would love to share this experience with specifics. How do I help the rest of you to avoid my bad experience when I am not allowed to post a negative review? Of course, I am learning from my experiences, nonetheless, I feel it appropriate to communicate the insanity of some of the whining I read from the escorts. Practice what you preach, ladies! In fact, that is probably one important observation to make the next time: any woman who expresses some kind of complaint or demand on a guys behaviour in advertising is likely a red flag.

Back in November I posted a thread about a miscommunication I had with an Escort that expected me to greet her in the lobby of the hotel. Of course, a few of you, in particular a few escorts on this forum, chastised me for the way I handled myself. Ok, lesson learned, it was a first for me. For the longest time, I felt badly about this, until my most recent experience. Over and over I read about you ladies having difficulty with the guys that contact you, play you, fail to follow through, etc. Ok, fair enough. So, I just had an experience with a woman who just completely misrepresented herself. Probably about 15 years older than the age reported on her ad. Pictures that in no way matched up with her actual appearance because of this age gap. I went through with it only because I was really hopeful that her massage skills after 10 years might be ok. That part was moderate. During the entire hour she was complaining about how awful guys are with her. So ladies, how does this compute? You want to be treated honestly, respectfully, etc., and then you pull a stunt like that? Is it any wonder that many guys treat you like trash?? It truly is a crap shoot. I will from this point forwards back out of an appointment in a flash with zero notice if there is even a hint that something isn't right!!

Holy ... sugar! OK then. Enough. Please, stay out of this. Really sorry escorts get bullied. Really sorry women get bullied. Man, life really sucks. It's so so hard! We ALL deal with "sugar" ( sorry for the silly expression - don't want to be accused of bad language again). Stop feeling sorry for yourself!! Anyhow, the key point here is communication. I screwed up using poorly chosen words that were interpreted incorrectly. I also screwed up because I was ignorant and didn't know the protocol. I also hate the written word in this situation and wish the escorts wouldn't rely so heavily on text only. Speaking to a person over the phone can clear up almost everything!

There wasn't time for that. It was complete surprise. One minute I'm quietly waiting for her upstairs with refreshments and a bottle of wine waiting for her. The next minute I receive this text from her to get her downstairs. I was shocked and didn't know how to handle it.

Thank you. That is definitely for the best.

I will never deal with a text only escort again. Now I know what is expected in a hotel visit. Lesson learned. Please, people when you reply to those of us who are inexperienced in one way or another, being condescending and judgemental deserves nothing less than a "piss off" remark. I was trying to learn. I didn't deserve all of these negative comments from her. Now let's move on.

Wow! You have problems. You’ve read way to much into this and blindly passed judgement. Piss off! Here’s the text conversation : her: I’m here but you have to come get me. me: why? What’s the problem? Front desk won’t let you up? That’s awkward. Not really wanting to be identified like that. her: ok hun it’s ok I left. No worries me: ??? Very peculiar thats is all I had to work with. Nothing more. I asked at the beginning it was normal protocol to meet in lobby since I’d never been in this situation before. However I don’t deserve your abrupt judgement nor did I deserve her abrupt reaction . She could have easily softened this, explained the problem and helped me to understand so the date would be possible. Therefore, I owe her nothing! So so sorry that other guys have played you. I was totally sincere.

“Game playing”? I think you’re judging me on the basis of your own negative issues. I was never given a chance to deal with it properly. I expressed surprise and discomfort but this is not “chickening out”. If you can’t handle a client questioning you, and instead build a negative attitude, as you apparently have, then I think you’re in the wrong business . Oh, and how do I compensate a person who simply disappears? Sorry, I think you’re really expressing your own bad attitude. Furthermore, if you’ve established a policy where you’re only doing outcalls, you’re forcing me to provide place. Please, communicate your expectations in advance. Don’t assume I know all your rules.

I think that if you're going to require this of me, if I were a client of yours, I would expect you to communicate this to me in advance. Simply surprising me with it at the moment of your arrival, is a bit much. You are wrong to assume that your clients know and understand your protocol. You should communicate what you expect.

There was no opportunity for communication. She left the moment I expressed even a bit of apprehension.

Exactly, this would have been fine for me, but there was zero communication from her. Only, an abrupt insistence that I meet her downstairs, and as I said above, she had already left before I had a chance to negotiate.

I was never given the opportunity to do anything. I simply asked, have you been stopped in the lobby? I then said that I find this rather awkward. There was no opportunity for further discussion only a blunt, "It ok, honey, I left."

Yesterday, was the first time that I've attempted an outcall visit at a hotel room. I've never met this lady before. It was a first time visit with a known and reviewed member of this forum 10 minutes before her scheduled arrival at the Holiday Inn, I received a text telling me that I needed to meet her in the lobby and then take her to my room. I rejected this. I was fearful because, as I understand it, the new laws make it legal for her but illegal for us. I didn't want to identify myself in the lobby with the front desk clerk. She left without visiting me. Amy I wrong? Is meeting in the lobby first normal protocol? Thanks.

I understand. I feel kind of badly after seeing nude pictures of her. It seems wrong now to approach her at the door with a delivery, see her in person, repeat that nude picture in my mind, and she doesn't get any compensation for it. Not fair, but it's probably not right to draw attention to the ad because as you and others have said, she likely wants to keep her civilian life separate. Oh well, I guess this isn't really my problem so long as I leave it alone now and don't pursue it. Each of you women who choose this occupation are taking a risk that you will be discovered by people you'd rather not discover you. The fact that I have discovered "you", isn't my fault. Additional Comments: No, I don't know this girl. I'm being fooled. Time to expose her. http://ottawa.backpage.ca/FemaleEscorts/sexy-blonde-jenna-incal-outcall-6139005113-downtown/93249272 http://ottawa.backpage.ca/FemaleEscorts/let-s-break-all-the-rules-today-not-much-restrictions-wild-and-pretty/99579567 Note the seated girl with the bra. Note the name change. This is also the third phone number as I mentioned above. This is all BS!!!

To be honest, I am no longer certain its her. The age and body type certainly matches up, and I was relying on the fact that the phone numbers match up. However, as of yesterday she was advertising with a THIRD number. So, either this is a scam, or she's read my posting here and decided to change her phone number. It's actually possible that my client now owns the phone number previously used by this SP.

Apparently, yes. After noticing the match up on my contact list, I did some googling. I see now that she has advertised with two different numbers. The newest number appeared on a Backpage ad a couple of days ago. Anyhow, I appreciate everybody's advice. I'll just quietly go about my delivery business with her without drawing attention to what I've discovered. Thanks!

Last night, I was about to contact an SP. However, as I keyed her number into my phone, a pre-existing contact popped up on my phone! I already know her. She's MY customer. I run a small delivery service business, and I have delivered to her several times. We already know each other and have a pre-exising, semi-flirty, but still a business relationship. On one hand, this is great. I already know her. I know her pictures are real. I know she lives in a positive environment etc. Certainly, she knows that I am safe for her. I'd certainly enjoy availing myself of the services that she provides, but ... Is this appropriate? Should I contact her and acknowledge who I am, or should I simply let this one go and pretend that I know nothing about her livelihood?

Meaghan, I think you're missing the point I was trying to make. Being open right from the very beginning about your restrictions is perhaps a good idea. However, to openly offer a bare service as a first and only reply to a question about this woman's availability, is not being open. It tells me that she is a very risky woman. In other words, I think there is a movement of SPs who are trying to get an edge on their competition by openly offering these bare services. Yes, there is demand for that service, but the demand is being encouraged by the supply.

I have noticed a significant increase in the number of women who only want a text message to arrange an appointment. I sent an enquiry the other day, and her only reply was abbreviated message: ****: $**. I didn't event ask for this. I simply asked if she was available in the morning. After all, this is ideally what I am looking for: a clean girl, who hasn't been up all night servicing guys, and likes to get an early start at 9 am. This seems to be a tricky request. I think this problem is largely created by the service provider. If enough service providers provide the service, then it will be demanded. If enough women advertise $** for 15 minutes, well ... what do you really expect?

Urrrr... I would humbly disagree. I am actually getting rather irritated in the CR. The extras are becoming too plentiful, and I don't like having to resist the temptation when I am already plyed with a few extra pints of beer. Its really hard to say no when I'm horny and drunk! :) :)

I've been a long term lurker here and thought I would finally start my own thread. I keep wanting to make use of some of the many service providers available and... well... never actually do it. This may seem like a very odd question, but I'll take the risk. Unlike a lot of guys when they get older who seem to get better and better endurance to the point where it actually becomes frustrating for them, I have the opposite problem - it happens too quickly. I notice that many of the massage providers advertising talk about "edging". It occurred to me that using a service like this might help me to retrain myself. Is this a logical way of thinking or am off base? If this is a logical way of thinking, can I please receive PM's from service providers in the Ottawa area offering this service? Thanks.