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She was here for her monthly 3rd week visit just stayed low as she had way to many clients to catch up with. For anyone that missed her I believe she is back again the third week of March!! She is an absolute doll and a it is privileged to spend time with her.

I have to agree with this one, you are not going to find many people here that have issue with the profession. That being said if the lady were afraid of being "outed" by a client it probably would not happen, unless it was a jealous client. I have a bit of an unusual history in my life and by the second or third date I lay it all on the table, that way my potential SO can make a decision about proceeding or not. In my current relationship I am feeling extremely guilty because I thought that this was all behind me when we agreed to marry and I have not been able to walk away, from either the life or the marriage. My current wife knows all about my past experiences however she also believes that I have turned a new leaf with her, it is the first time in my life that I have been dishonest and it is killing me. The relationship is between you and your partner, no one else. I wish my kids only had this to worry about, there are so many other things that bug me so much more. My 2 pet peeves are drugs and laziness, both run rampant among my step kids! At lease if they were dating an SP they would be earning a living and not be sponging off me. Our fabric is what makes us who we are, I would not be were I am in life or the person I am if I had not followed the path I have, it's what makes us interesting. Everyone has some skeletons in the closet.

Well I don't know how environmentally friendly any of the options truly are. I don't usually take coffee to go, cause I can wait until I get there to get one. So I always get the "for Here" cup, but they have to wash them and there is the detergent etc... I took an interest course not to long ago in the new green construction and LEED program and now I am much further confused. However one thing I am firm believer in is tradition and our National Identity and I will for the sake of the tradition and all things Canadian purchase at least one Roll up the Rim cup before the season if over!

One year closer to being a dirty old man!!! I still owe a few from this summer, now I have get you one for your B-day too!

I think you will find that they are very busy to get involved in this type of posting but we may get one or 2 to add something over the next few days. If this post gets flooded than they can have there on section if not than I think we can agree that entire category for this kind of stuff would be a waist.

Trying to tidy up my end of things; Miss. Maria, I think you now have a good idea of why you dislike negotiation so much, you have some strategies to get around the negotiator if you choose to do more than simply ignore, and you have made it clear to anyone considering your services that anything covered on your web site is not negotiable. You now have a choice to be open to special request and other forms of more subtle negotiations, if you choose to be. For the rest of you, I am sorry if I have offended you with my ideas of sex for money, I have come to terms with the money and sex part personally and I don?t run from the money side I believe I am being benevolent to these ladies as they need my support, and they are being benevolent to me as I am now old and ugly and can?t get it for free like I used too!!! We all have our personal strategies and ways of coping with the money vs the service thing. Let?s not start to pick on anyone because their way is different than ours, even if we believe that they are dead wrong in there approach. This board was built on differences of opinions, the last thing we need to do is start alienating people. As any of you who have met me or read other posts on the subject of gratuities and proper compensation know, I am in the majority of us that believe that these types of negotiations are very bad for the visit.

The irony is this device has no export potential! When was the last time you saw roll up the rim in Mexico? Uniquely Canadian to stay Uniquely Canadian!

Over time I am sure that you have had unusual requests, funny incidents and strange anecdotes, as well as real good turn ons. Many of the members here on cerb want to experience some of these situations vicariously through this forum! Can any of you indulge us with a fun or memorable event? I want to thank the ladies that contributed so much to the threads last summer close in nature to this one; http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=4263 I think this time around we could shoot for some of the better more mood enhancing things that have happened, or fantasies that you SP's may have!! but if there are more funny stories they will work to for sure :)

We could call that SP Forum instead of Penthouse Forum, Dreamer tried through a series of threads to get the ladies to open up about best or funniest or most bizarre experiences. Again it is a difficult situation because the ladies may or may not be comfortable repeating the adventure, and they need to have the time and be in the mood to add a story. We can try an experiment. I have just add a post.

Clearly I now nothing about marketing? I guess I am just lucky. All I am saying is that a percentage of people will have a nagging need to negotiate or ensure that they are not over paying, I do believe that it is around 25% as I have actually been in marketing and sales for 25 years and that seems to be the average ratio in other industries that I have been involved in, of course other than the MBA I have little formal training in sales I have just needed to be successful to put food on the table, and BMW's in the driveway. However what ever the number, it is an overlooked portion of the market. Ya the majority of us are happy to produce the requested amount and usually a little extra as a thank you, and the majority of SP's don't want to have to deal with the negotiators. The thread was a request from an SP to be ignored by the negotiators and all I am saying is lets not be so quick to rule them out. Also if you can move from Social values to monetary values and back again and bring the client with you than you will be unstoppable. Part of understanding the social values is understanding the the gift is not usually equal value i.e. a good meal is disproportionately worth more than the average bottle of wine, it is a token as opposed to a value. Insisting on a value vs a token is a 2 way street. SP's that are fine with 300 but become indignant with 200 are feeding the fire, if I brought a crappy bottle of wine vs an expensive bottle would I be any the less a guest? I knew an Asian lady that never asked for an amount she simply requested a token of appreciation and left it up to the gentlemen to decide what was right, if the amount was to low she did not repeat, she was extremely polite about the entire transaction. Sorry if my thoughts are rebellious and outrageous but I really do believe that some will negotiate and I think it is around 25% however I am certainly not interested in debating the % and even at 5% it is still a market? I think the point that there is a fine line between love and money is a good point and it certainly is my point when I say that if you can move from one mode to the other seamlessly and bring the client with you, you will have great success. I really am not interested in theories about why we negotiate or the differences between a social interaction or a monetary one, and definitely not interested in debating the social values at play here. I am just saying I have met ladies that have ways of overcoming this without simply ignoring the potential client, and it is possible. If you think it is not possible and not worth it than that is fine to. I know that I do make a conscious decision on who I see based on the price, service level, and my available cash, I have made offers outside of the normal offerings (longer engagements, special requests) , and I would never dream of offering a lady less than she asked. These are facts I can say with certainty. If you think I am not a typical client and you want to believe that most clients don't consider the monetary requirements than that is fine, but at some level the price is a consideration I believe for many hobbyists. And it is most certainly a consideration for the vast majority of SP's, I wish there was an SP out there that would consider a bottle of wine a fair consideration!

You should keep it in your pants waving those things around at other guys can start a rumor!!

You will have a blast I am sure, and I am sure you won't have any problems getting the bookings!! Good luck and as Kyra_TO mentioned there are lots of different places to promote advertise and get good advice, this is one of the best sites but I would not limit your trip to this site alone.

Ya and I have seen the cups in your office!! If anyone deserves a new Toyota it's you.

Borat Borat Borat!! when my wife was dancing this is the kind of stuff she toted around, very cool stuff. http://www.showgirlcostumes.com/

I like my coffee black so try to avoid Timmies like the plague (the coffee is actually horrible). Of course a triple tall Americano should have some kind of an incentive with it!! How can they charge $2-7 for coffee? Now winning a soccermum that would be a treat!! and I would by the coffee just for the cup!!

In Canada we have adapted to a level of the price is the price, and certainly 75% of the men out there understand this, some of us usually tip as well if the session was really a good value. And if the idea of negotiating does not appeal to you than don't, most ladies won't. However if you can master the art you will make more money for less work and have a larger target market that's all. Last time I was at a spa they had 2 or three pages of Options!!! And the list went form like $50-400. Because I know how negotiating can ruin the mood I never do it, if the ladies rates are unclear (and often the price seems to change daily) then I clarify but never rebut the price that is quoted. I am then faced with a selection to choose from 4-5 ladies that could satisfy my needs at any one time and I choose the best value based on performance to price. In Ottawa anyway there is enough competition to comparison shop, and that is the Canadian way :). However some gentlemen do get confused why one lady is at 200 and another at 400 for in their minds comparable services, rather than take the 200 they may ask the 400 lady about 200. This is not the smartest thing for the hobbyist to do but it is an opportunity for the 400 lady to try and get a client if she wants the business, and how she responds will determine that. Money is money and I don't think any lady on this board really believes that they can be "bought" for a few hundred dollars, you have made a conscientious decision to offer this service for many thousands of dollars collecting a few hundred at a time, don't take it personally is all I am saying and you will make more. The long time pros in this business know how to separate the negotiating from the intimacy. Self esteem and your worth is not tied to how much someone will pay for your time or how many thousands you can make in a week, it is different for everyone, but tying it to a monetary value will always kill your self worth. Consider the construction worker who is only making $30 an hour, he or she does not feel like an inferior person because they are settling for a small pay cheque, our values are far more complex than the price per hour. The day you start to let someone affect your self esteem for a few hundred dollars is the start of that slippery slop to depression. Have you ever had sex for free? If so that is the minimum that you have accepted, beyond that it becomes supply and demand, if someone comes along and offers anything more than that than they are serious in there minds. If someone offers 100 and you have a line around the block with 400 in there hands than clearly the answer is ?I am sorry hun but you have been out bid?, or if you are prepared to pay the rates I have stated I will honour them however there is a waiting list, if you want a priority booking I suggest you offer more than my suggested minimum. All of these things tell the negotiator that they are getting the best price, and that is really the fear, ?OMG if I pay 400 and some guys are only paying 200 than I am a fool?. If you make it clear that the price is fair and you are in demand than they will either move to the option B girl that is 200 or pay the 400. If business is slow you can always say half hour BJ only and you have a date. I know I am risking life and limb and wrath of SP?s, however it is a business and many oh so many of you claim that you love your work i.e. love sex. So in the eyes of many you are being paid for something you love to do and would do anyway so they have a hard time putting there finger on the monetary aspect, in this same thread we are discussing the tremendous privilege we have in visiting with each other, the monetary tribute seems rather token even at 4 or 500 to this privilege, so with the donation already being an unequal amount what is a few hundred plus or minus? The money and the act need to separate transactions, if you are going to be in the business long term.

Oh for sure there A-holes out there that don't have respect for women or some that just don't respect people in general. You will weed them out along the way, just don't let the first discussion of a discount piss you off, be polite and forceful and suggest a compromise that you can live with and would work for them. This will seem strange but I saw a lady in thee mid 90's and she charged like a taxi cab, it was by the 5 mins!! and as the clock went up your bill went up, plus she charged for different activities it was rather complicated but she was not a conventional lady and I usually ended up paying 120-140 for a satisfying 25 mins, however a few times I went over the top and took 2 hours :) there was a discount on by the hour so it worked out to like 250?? I think by keeping it very complicated she could change the rules on the fly and no one could negotiate, you could name your price and she would give the options! She never named the price out right, it was always "what do you want and how much are you prepared to spend".

There are about 25% of people out there that have a need to negotiate it is in there very being. Take advantage of the situation and create an a la catre menu for those types, let them pick and chose and negotiate for a group rate, then after they have their fun recommend the Table de Hote all inclusive package, you will have taken all the fight out of them and they pay up. For many this is just a game, if you play back you will win because all the other ladies simply hit the ignore button. You can also turn the tables on these guys, ask them what they want to pay and what they expect and negotiate it backwards, "sure you can have a 200 session, it will be one of the best 30 mins of your life, when should I expect you?" But words like "NO, NEVER, NOT" will be mood killers for sure. Just my 2 cents worth.

I do like the newest member section!! It gives us a chance to scan the newbies, especially the latest ladies!!!

Damn A that's a cool site!! and second just how much spare time do you have??

and the translation would be BBBJ Four 80

:D yup they are not as resilient as cows! when it comes to taking a tip that is!! But seriously a good mix of personal gifts that they want and cash is the best balance! know your SP and give her gifts that she can use and wants. If they like animal prints get them animal prints, if they work out get them work out gear, if they are girly girls get them cool fragrances. I sometimes but my favorite SP gifts for me too but I am stupid enough to think that they appreciate them, how many swim suits does a girl need? how many vibrators or bottles of massage oil? Ya I get em but they are for me not here. Take the time to learn there shoe size and dress size, look around their place and see if there is anything missing. Bedding is always a hit too.

I think that the negative rep points are to be reserved for shill posters and people who pop on the site to cause trouble, it is a warning to the rest of us that this person probably has dishonorable intentions. Anything else is a add or ignore situation. The place were I think the rep points might not be needed is on the main page top 10 list, this is redundant as the top ten rep users are already going to be trusted sources and it may just make the other 100+ strong contributors a little resentful. My 2 cents worth.

This is already available, I have seen several SP's who have "researched me" through my postings, those that post are easy to get to know, those that don't, don't for a reason. I have had other SP's who did not want to see me because I have seen to many ladies, so the review thing will sabotage guys that like to play "your the only SP I see game" One persons trash is anothers treasure I am sure I am not every SP's ideal client and I know that just as with us there is not accounting for personal taste the same applies to the ladies. And then how do the SP's know who to review and who not to review? I think the only thing of interest to the ladies is the bad date list and this is in the SP only section if I am not mistaken. This proposed section simply will not work, what do you want 1000+ recomendations of us?? who will read it??

FYI the BBBJ plates were kept in Toronto, saw one there last fall. I think it would be cool to have gotten BBBJ 480 :)