Kubrickfan

For what its worth, for the guys, often the Vetiver scents have a soapy, clean smell. A good example is Creed Vetiver if you can find it, and a minimal amount can smell very clean if you apply it over a clean body. Of course, the clean body concept is quite important (smile).

WrinkledInTime, thanks for the clarification ... In the US I believe you generally have to show damages, which I know is irrelevant here, but I am a US lawyer ... sorry for the confusion. Just trying to advance the discussion. But, on the other hand, unless there are actual damages, or some other form of damages available under Canadian law, what's the point? I guess she can get an injunction or some sort requiring the board to remove the comment and prohibiting the poster from making other libellous statements. I understand part of the issue here is probably that Valerie does not want to let the poster get away with libel and to make an example of him, and good for her in that regard.

There are a few things that appear to be going on here that it is probably worth trying to clarify. First, if she sued for libel and slander, she has to prove that the poster stated something to be a fact, that the poster knew it was not a fact, and that she was damaged by that. It would have nothing to do with a DNR policy. No one can simply announce to the world, "dont review me" and then sue people who dont comply. If that were true, every crappy provder of services (no implication intended) of any sort would make such an announcement and could never be held to account for their services. On the other hand, Valerie can say, "if you want to have a visit with me, you have to agree not to review me." If the client goes ahead with the appointment and posts a review, she would have a complaint for breach of contract, not libel and slander. At least in the US (and assuming prostitution was legal in the same manner as it is in the US), she would have a very hard time suing the board unless the board knew the fact to also not be true. She could try to prove it by sending a note to the board, and demanding they remove the post, which would certainly be a wise idea for the board to do. Most courts (at least in the US) have found publishers of material, which is everyone from newspapers to message boards, cant be held liable for libel unless, again, they know the information to be untrue. I fully support a right of an SP to have such a policy, and this board's efforts to enforce the policy, but I just wanted to clarify that I dont think libel and slander has anything to do with a DNR policy.

Kiddo, I thought we decided YOU were the best kisser. ;) I guess I could start another thread ... "on draining precious bodily fluids." :D BTW, the most accurate reference for a real Stanley Kubrick fan is "the life essence:" "women sense my power, and they seek the life essence. I do not avoid women, Mandrake, but I do deny them my essence." quoting Col. Jack D. Ripper in the movie Dr. Strangelove.

As I'm sure you already know, its not quite like booking a hotel room or a car (smile). Your best bet for an appointment booked well in advance is probably one of the independent SPs who regularly post here. I always have the impression that the local agencies don't really have a view of things more than a few days in advance. This tends to be more of a "here in the moment" business. One idea: since you seem to know about when you are visiting, I suggest you simply PM one or two of the ladies that you are really interested in and see if they can accomodate your timing. Some of the ladies might really appreciate it. Bear in mind that since you are newer here, you might have to be a bit patient with their responses.

The funniest thing would be if you give your cerb handle, you have a lot of posts, and the lady turns you down. Uggggh, that would be a sad day ... kinda like having "digital body odor." ;) As to the post, I cant agree more ... the regular posters (both guys and gals) here work pretty hard at it for the most part, and the trust/respect issue goes both ways by benefitting both parties.

Amelia/Emma -- Thanks. I took another look, and you are right. Stated that way, its almost a statement of intimidation or control ... "you know you love me, even if you dont admit it." At best its playing mind games on a very sensitive topic. Its also nice to hear you all can have feelings for your clients without those feelings being demanded. Thinking about it, its easy to see that just reading the threads on cerb and your responses. And hopefully all the guys (or at least most) treat you all like royalty, not because they are trying to "save" you, but because they are nice guys and gentlemen.

I'm probably taking this comment a bit out of context, but the point about "having feelings ... never will" sounds, respectfully, pretty harsh to me, especially for someone I have seen on numerous occasions who seems to enjoy the company and conversation. A bit of cordiality, combined with a sense of caring and interest ... in the context that its still an SP/client relationship ... would seem to be a good thing, would it not?

I thought I'd mention something that I noticed the other day that really shocked me and made me feel a bit older. All of us remember "September 11" (2001). Its one of those days that ... at least for Americans like me and for many of our friends in Canada and around the world, that you remember for the rest of your life ... you remember where you were when you heard the news and what you did that day. Its burned into our memories forever, and it never seems that long ago to me. I imagine a lot of us (probably a majority?) own iPods and regularly use them ... they have become one of those devices that define our generation and define has many or most of the computer generation purchase and listen to music. We carry them around like a body part. (smile) I think I saw that Apple has sold around a 250 million iPods worldwide since they were introduced. And now, the feeling old part ... On September 11, there were NO iPods ... in fact, Steve Jobs of Apple wouldn't introduce them until late October, 2001 to a somewhat skeptical audience. :o:o If nothing else, its a great example of how adoption rates for new technology (from radios, to TVs, to computers, etc.) have been getting shorter and shorter. By the way, its fun to go watch the youtube video of Jobs introduction of the iPod to a small, somewhat skeptical crowd and see just how prescient it was. Here's a link to one of the videos:

Sheesh ... I should have thought of that ... my apologies. By the way, I think the actual line is "precious bodily fluids?" Now I'm going to have to go watch it. ;)

Great advice Charlotte. Also, I'm glad to hear the five o'clock shadow and the close shave comments aren't directed at the XX sex ... otherwise, I'm going to have to take a closer look at your duo partners. :lol::lol:

Huh? I dont get it.?

Well, now that we resolved the "be upfront about no kissing" issue, I agree with CK that its time to update the "best kissers" threads. ;) For me, that means Annessa, Trish from OPG, Charlotte from FKS and Cameron (but she doesn't like to be talked about).

Is Divine (tall blond, formerly at Barbs) still there? I think that's where she went after leaving Barb's, but its been a while. Nice kid.

I always try to get a hotel room with a couch and a coffe table ... usually that's pretty easy to arrange. If its someone I haven't seen before, I try to be careful to make sure they are very comfortable with the situation. Best way to do this is to offer a beverage or a glass of wine, and sometimes a cheese and fruit plate as it seems like a lot of you ladies show up starving! :wink:

Who can possibly not be anxious when they are meeting someone new for the first time, especially given the activities that are likely to occur during the visit (smile)? I'm getting into this thread a bit late here, but I think it would be hard not to be anxious. I remember my first visit with an SP ... no matter how much I planned, I was a nervous wreck. But I think it helps with the exhiliration of the moment, and its always turned out well.

The proper etiquette, I believe, is to continue to have a conversation with the customer until the end of the current song (usually sitting on this lap) and then start with the next song. One way to deal with this issue is (if you trust her) to give her the money up front. Most of the established ladies in the club aren't going to try to take advantage of you.

Its good to see both the ladies and the guys agreeing about this topic ... its just not the same without kissing. I just wish I didn't have to ask the question upfront, and I would respectfully ask the ladies that if they have a black and white "no kissing" rule that they let the guys know upfront.

I was thinking some of the ladies could offer to do this for the hotels for free and then, during the bed warming process, offer customers a list of "options." ;)

Here you go ladies ... a new business model: http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Strange-News/Holiday-Inn-Launched-Human-Bed-Warming-Service-Starting-In-London-Kensington/Article/201001315528844?f=rss Think of the possibilities! :wink::wink: BTW as to the picture ... the left side is OK but the right side is kinda icky. :wink:

I obviously agree with most of the guys about the importance of kissing to have a great experience, and I certainly agree with any lady that wants to reserve the right to "adapt" to the situation. In other words, the ladies should always have a right to a YMMV policy. My question was, if a lady has a strict "no kissing " policy, as this is an important issue for the guys, should she (or her agency) disclose that upfront as an informal rule? I guess this might be a bit easier on a website or ad, and I guess its true that the guy can always ask the question.

I was reading on another board about a situation where a client had a visit from an SP and, after payment was "delivered," the client discovered that, although she was a very personable, the SP had a "no kissing rule." The primary concern of the client was that there was no indication of this ahead of time (on the agency website) and it was a major damper on his happiness with the visit. My point isn't to re-hash that issue here, but rather to ask how important is kissing, and the usual sensuality and closeness that goes with kissing, a fundamental part of the deal? For me, its absolutely vital ... it isn't fun unless there's some kissing. When done well, there is no better way to explore another human being and to commence or extend a wonderful encounter. I can, however, understand an SP taking a YMMV apprach if the client shows up unclean or otherwise "unkissable." For that reason, should it be a requirement, or at least an "unwritten rule," that an SP or their agency give the client a bit of advance warning if kissing is going to, as a rule, be a problem?

SA -- Sorry ... I have been tied up since my first repsonse, but it looks like you are getting a lot of good advice. It was good to see Alexa's response as it is interesting to consider this problem in reverse as it is a new way for you to consider the issue. You have been very brave to discuss this issue openly here, but its one that many of us older guys think about a lot, so its a really good thread. The good news is that you seem to have your options available in that you are not in a committed relationship. From your responses, I think you know the answer to your question. Give it a try through a dating service, mutual friends or co-workers, but make sure its a genuine commitment to give it a try. Best wishes.

SA -- I think some of the answers you seek lie within the statements you make. For instance, you say that you have always been attracted to the 19-25 year old group of ladies. But you state it as a conclusion ... why exactly are you attracted to that age group? I think you need to understand that, and I think as you look at the issue more closely you will find that is helpful to working through this issue. I would say that it is common for clients, or guys that like hanging out with younger women that they are trying to find or preserve their own youth. Also, have you ever had a committed or long-term relationship with someone of that age group? I would guess not, but I could be wrong. What were the dynamics with that 22-year old that wanted to move in? Was it mostly financial, or was the girl seeking a level of security? Was she looking for a more stable person in her life? The good news is that as you discover the "whys," you can seek out people closer to your age (or at least within 10 years) that possess those qualities as your likelihood of success is going to be much higher IMHO.

I would think things like this could be arranged once you know the escort and/or the stripper well enough, and things like this have been discussed on this board. I was fortunate enough to spend some time at Barb's with one of the well-known ladies on cerb, but it was more of a spur of the moment thing, it was at her suggestion, and it was well after a level of trust had been established.