Kubrickfan

Congrats as well dummpy. May you have enough fun with SPs to post a thousand more!

I'm coming a bit late to this thread, but I know that no shows can be very deflating to the ladies, especially those that are visiting. I recall when Charlotte Sinclair was in Ottawa a few months ago that she had a couple no shows/last minute cancellations, including one that was I think a 4 hour dinner date. Our visit together was as positive and pleasant as always, but you could see in her eyes that it hurt ... that's a TON of money. The couple times I have had to cancel over the last 18 months was always with at least 18-24 hours notice and always only for an extremely good reason. This is not like cancelling your hotel room at the Marriott.

I like Pete's response, only for the reason that it reminded me I once dated a girl a long time ago who really thought one of the seven dwarfs was named "Dumpy." (not related to our own lovable dummpy) I just use my real first name ... makes things a lot easier. My last name, photos (dont forget my "photo as a precursor" thread) and other personally identifiable information are a definite "no go."

I'm glad to see that this thread has developed without mentioning the names of specific dancers. That would not, IMO, be a good thing and could make life really difficult for the ladies involved. Anyways, I still think this is a pretty rare occurance although I could be naive.

That's interesting, but I wonder how that statistic is derived? I certainly dont remember that question on the check-out form. :shock:

Why someone would want to use obscene and demanding language in an introduction note to anyone is beyond me, but especially a lady. Its so easy to be polite, and its always paid back.

CK and ladies -- I am a bit confused as to what the "sting" is. If an appointment is made over the phone, was the "sting" element to get the ladies to talk business, so to speak, while in a public place (the parking lot)? I assume that would constitute "solicitation" since its in a public place, whereas an e-mail or phone conversation, or a conversation in a private would not? I thought that private conversations were perfectly legal, or at least not illegal. Thanks and take care.

There is definitely a way to separate the fun and business side of things with good communication. I had an "adventure" with an SP not that long ago where, after our visit together, she joined me at a nearby strip club. This was entirely initiated by her in the course of just discussing our plans for the rest of the evening (she "likes" both girls and boys, as it turns out ... smile), and there was certainly an understanding it was off the clock and just for fun. As it was an outcall visit, I first walked her back to her hotel so she could change into street clothes, and then we went into the club together as a "couple," so to speak. The only dicey part was when she was when she got carded, and the bouncer stated her real first name. Boy, did I ever feel old. We had a great time, and I actually left before she did. In fairness, this is someone that I hit if off with very well, and I would never asked her to do this on my own.

Cat -- What a wonderful, very visual and very true analogy! I realize everyone's comments were focused on SP's ... I dont mean to pull us off-topic, but strip clubs are certainly potentially very dangerous places if you are "lookin' for love," so to speak.

I think a lot of guys, either because they are young, or because they are older and yet have "inexperienced hearts," so to speak, can get mixed up and its possible for a lady to take advantage of that. I have definitely NOT seen it with the SPs I have seen, but ... and not to pull the thread off topic, but I have definitely seen it at the strip clubs among the regular visitors. Some of the more experienced dancers know how to take advantage of that, although I dont blame them for trying to earn a living, nor do I think the dancer goes in with any sort of evil intent. And the guy has to be responsible for his own behavior. Where it gets complicated is when a few dances turn into more visits at $200 - $400 a night, and most of the pleasant conversation and smiles turn into discussion of all the trials and tribulations in the dancer's life. Those may all be real issues, but I respectfully assert that clients can, and do, get taken advantage of.

For me, the answer is easy ... yes. At some point down the road I will likely stop travelling to Ottawa on business (or at least do so a lot less often), and when that happens, I'm pretty much done. I hope to stay in touch with some of the people I have gotten to know, online at least.

A few more sayings to add to the list: For Guys: Dont dip you pen into the company ink (my father actually taught me this one). For Gals: Dont get your meat where you get your bread. :-) Closest I came, many years ago, was when the absolutely most attractive woman in my department let me snap her garter belt.

I dont think it would hurt to ask if they would like you to take a shower first .... that way, they have the choice.

Very best wishes to you.

I got propositioned once at Barb's by a dancer. After a few dances, she simply asked whether "I was interested in some company later." According to another dancer, she ended up getting fired for having FS in one of the booths with a customer ... this was before the walls were lowered per the new Bylaw requirements. Apparently they didn't interrupt the event, but she was fired on her way out of the CR. If I was going to a strip club with a "takeout" objective, I'd be prepared to invest a lot of time and money, probably unsucessfully.

Barbs is wonderful ... much better than spending the evening in your hotel room watching reruns. Divine used to be at Barb's. Personally I enjoy visiting wtih Lea and Maude.

I'm not an incall guy, and I always shower right before the lady arrives at my hotel room, so showering has never been an issue for me. However, if the issue ever came up ... being shy, I would probably come out with my pants on and the towel over my shoulders. I wouldn't worry about this too much, and Emma certainly would be an authority on the subject. Remember, whatever you put on isn't likely to stay on for very long (smile).

This whole string started because a well-respected (and I'm sure absolutely wonderful ... smile) SP requested a photo from me. Personally, that is, and always will be, a non-starter for me for privacy reasons. However, I respect the right of any SP to ask for that. As to dummpy's requests, I would think one criterion could be the client's cerb name (or name on other escort boards). At least that way, a new SP could get more comfortable by reading the potential clients posts. It wont help mitigate the "OMG I know you" issue (geez, wouldn't that be embarrassing). But I would recommend it to any lady who is concerned about security (and they all should be to some extent), even if the guy gives them a photo.

I had the opportunity to visit again, for the third time, with Charlotte Sinclair during her September, 2008 visit to Ottawa. We had a great visit ... as already stated by other reviewers on other boards, Charlotte sets the standard for GFE, period. She is a very bright, animated lady with a very postive attitude and she can speak intelligently on any number of topics. The photos on her website are quite accurate ... she has long dark black hair and is quite lovely. She is not one to put on an act and she seems quite sincere, both in her conversation and her lovemaking. Charlotte has "graduated" to Independent status at French Kiss Society, a well-respected agency in Montreal that I beleive is run by the ladies themselves. You can learn more about her on her own website or on the FKS website. Just a bit of specifics as to our visit ... On this last visit (an outcall visit), she arrived in an all black outfit, black stockings, black heels and ... as I soon discovered (smile) ... no panties. Very sexy and very, very exciting! We shared some wine and cheese and great conversation followed by some very sensual private time. I cant imagine anyone making a client more comfortable than Charlotte. I will certainly be repeating when the opportunity presents itself. Thanks Charlotte!

Emma -- You participated in my "photo" message string from a few days ago. I am an occasional visitor to Ottawa on business (I was just there about a week ago) and I like your description of Ottawa as not too big and not too small. I'm from a fairly large city in the US and I think Ottawa is a great city. The airport is really easy, most of the drivers are nice and in the warmer evenings, I always feel safe walking down Sparks or by Parliament or wandering around the Byward Market ... all of which is pretty easy from my hotel. Maybe a few panhandlers, but that's about it. Glad you had a good visit.

In the evening, just casual is fine, maybe just a bit sexy. During the day, business casual with maybe a more slightly opened blouse and a half inch higher heel just for fun. After all, they have to get through the hotel lobby without getting the "once over" from the front desk.

Since this thread is all my fault :), I just wanted to add some final comments unless things get hopping again. My initial post was based on an actual experience that happened a day or two prior to my posting. I was surprised by the request, but I had no idea whether this was a more common request than I realized because, frankly, I dont have that many experiences under my belt. So, I thought it would make a good topic for the courtesan discussion and that hopefully I'd get a few client and SP comments. Loneskater was right ... I had no idea I would get so many great responses. I'm glad that the thread seems to have caused clients and SPs to understand each other a bit better, and that's a good thing. We were able to keep to the subject pretty much without yelling at each other or trying to guess who the SP is. That's good as well. When these ladies walk into a hotel room not their own, to meet a client that they have never seen before, they are making a tremendous leap of faith and I respect that immensely. I am happiest if they feel comfortable and safe, although I doubt that's possible for any lady the first time they meet a new client. Possibly they will feel safer with a client photo (either for their physical security or a sense that their identity is less likely to be disclosed), and I will never question this. However, its not something I will ever be comfortable doing out of my own sense of personal security. For the benefit of the ladies that want this, I'm glad to see there are guys willing to supply a photo. Whether this is something that will grow as a requirement or not will be something for the market to decide. I really appreciate all the time and thought that everyone put into their posts ... many, many thanks!

Paige -- I take responsibility for the inital post. I have been careful to keep the lady's name out of the issue. I just thought it was an interesting question ... perfect for the general courtesan discussion. I agree with Lionheart and many others that, in summary, SPs have every right to make the request and clients have every right to say no. I have received a couple polite PMs from the lady involved and she had one point that I think is worth stressing and does make the argument more understandable. For us clients, we deal with this issue now and then when we try to make an appointment. For a SP, this is an issue they have to deal with every day they are working with new clients, not being certain if the next guy is going to get angry about something and take advantage of the photo. Its the same for us clients in reverse, but the point is it happens much more often to the SP. Just thought it was worth mentioning that.

Dummpy cant help himself, ... note his spelling of the word "but." :D

I dont want to pull this topic in another direction, but to the extent that one of the reasons is to screen LE, my visits are limited to outcall visits to my hotel, which I understand (hopefully correctly) are not illegal in Canada. So if its used as a screening technique for LE for outcall visits, it seems to be unnecessary. I know the lady I am referring to accepts incall visits, which I understand are more problematic and ... therefore ... maybe another reason to require photos. I also think a board nickname is of value if the SP and client participate on the boards and the client has a long posting record. Board nicknames can be "brand equity," for lack of a better description. (smile)