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Again, I never asked for a photo, so I dont think the "you show me yours and I'll show you mine" argument applies here. I'm really happy to see so many different opinions, especially from the SPs, and especially a lot of good business sense as well. I tend to agree that the "serial killer" type suppositions are a bit far fetched. The ones posed today about concerns about running into someone the SP knows may be the closest to the real reason, but if a SP wants a photo as a condition, for whatever fear its helps address, its her right, just as it is for the potential client to say no. BTW, capitalman, no worries ... I think your points are valid.

Again, the SP did explain in general terms the reason for her request ... so that "we all have something to lose." Her words, and when I re-read them this morning, its sounds like a sincere explanation, possibly about her own concerns about being exposed as an SP? Not sure, but I think all the explanations I've seen so far have some credibility, although I'm a bit concerned that my name is now associated with a message string about weeding out weirdos, fat guys, and minorities (big smile). I'm none of the above, and I think I have a good posting record here and even more so on the other board with the same name.

The oddest part was that she mentioned in a follow up message that she had supplied her picture to me and that we would both then "have something to lose." Problem is, she never gave me her picture nor had I ever asked for one ... I was willing to meet her based solely on the recommendations on this board. So I wonder if it was a mix-up, but I dont want to waste her time by asking. I can see both sides too. The damage that would do, though, should the photo ever be disclosed makes it impossible to do. I also have never had any other SP ever request anything nearly as personal. By the way, I have had a couple PMs requesting a name and, out of respect for the lady, I would prefer not to provide that. By the way, to hunter 's point, it was going to be an outcall visit to a well-known downtown hotel.

I had an interesting request from a well-reviewed SP earlier this week ... as a condition for making an appointment, she wanted a photo of me. I had, in my initial inquiry, given her information on my height, weight, etc. (I'm nothing out of the ordinary, dimension wise (smile)). I was surprised when she wrote back, very politely, saying that she needed a photo of me before she would place an appointment. I mentioned this on PistolPete's "rant" message string, but i thought it worthy of its own topic. First, I want to make it VERY CLEAR that I respect the SP's right to make any condition whatsoever on an appointment, and that includes a photo. However, I would think this would be a non-starter for most guys, and it definitely is a non-starter for me. Any thoughts on this from clients or SPs?

I think I heard on Tuesday from the person who answered the phone at Honeyzworld that she was out of town. Hope that helps.

I'm drawing the line at sending photos of myself. I had this request from a well reviewed SP a day or two ago. Although I, sincerely, respect the right of SPs to place whatever conditions they want on a visit, sharing my photo is where I am drawing the line. That could end up associated with your terb name or e-mail address all over the internet, and it was made worse when the SP said the rationale was that "we all have something to lose." I may be taking the statement out of context, but that's kinda scary. As I stated in an earlier post on this thread, sharing your cerb name should provide some goodwill.

A question for the ladies ... is it helpful for you all to know what our cerb name is when we make an appointment? I know this is somewhat controversial (some guys want to be able to stay anonymous with their online names), but if you could go online and see that someone is a legit poster and is risking their online name by being a no-show, I think that would be helpful to you in controlling no-shows. If I know that someone is a contributor to these boards, I will usually mention my online name. Hopefully that way, if I am competing for a spot with "Joe Anonymous," I might have a better chance. ;) Same question for the guys ... would you be willing to give your online name discretely to a SP?

I have heard that from a couple of the out of town agencies. I think the first time FKS came to town (at least recently ... so this would have been a year ago), the lady left very early in her visit because she had like a 75% cancellation rate. That would seem to almost be statistically impossible unless there was some funny business going on as antlerman implies. I had to cancel two appointments due to changes in my travel itinerary. In both cases, I cancelled 24-48 hours in advance, and if I was pushed, I would have probably paid at least a portion of the fee (logistically that can be kinda tough).

Pete -- One other comment ... when you first mentioned that you had reviewed Sydney, I went to the alphabetical list under "S" and then "L," and I couldn't find the review. Most of the SP's appear to be listed by their names, so when you added "Gorgeous," at the beginning of her name, she becomes listed under "G." So, if someone is doing a alpha-type search, your review may not be found unless that person does a traditional search. Just a FYI ... probably no big deal, but you may want to see if its possible to modify the title.

Its good to see so many of the ladies posting on this topic. For me, the feelings of intimacy and closeness are as important, if not more important, than the physical part. If I can make a lady feel truly comfortable and relaxed, I'm going to feel much better about our time together, and I really hope she does as well. Touch is really important ... if I can start, or end, by giving the lady a nice massage, that usually helps establish a sense of closeness. However, I recall one experience I had in Montreal where I invited the lady to sit down and have a bit of wine and small talk; she just rolled her eyes and started getting undressed. That was a big turn off for me. The funny thing was, after the first round, she was very snuggly and intimate, and I had the pleasure to get to know her a bit better, so it ended up being a good experience overall. On the other hand, I have had absolutlely wonderful intimate experiences with Trish at Ottawa Playgirls, who I have seen by far more than any other lady ... great conversations, before and after, and just getting to know each other and what we like and dislike. Those are the best experiences.

Pete -- Again, I'm glad to see that someone on cerb picked up on Sydney's announcement. I wish I would have been in town as I would have loved to meet Sydney. As I mentioned to you already, even though I have never visited with her, I have communicated with her numerous times via e-mail, and she was always very polite and responsive. I did work with her to arrange two memorable visits with another one of FKS's ladies (Charlotte Sinclair) when Charlotte was in Ottawa. Your comments have only increased my hope that someday I will be able to meet with Sydney.

You are going to have to be more specific about who. Also, probably a good idea to use the search feature above to check on the name of the person you are thinking of.

I dont get it ... sounds like "push polling" to me. Who in their right mind would want a loud, indiscrete, obnoxious SP?

I'm not an incall guy, so this will likely never be an issue for me, but possibly one way to communicate this issue to the ladies is for them to imagine what is would be like if the roles were reversed. For instance, what if it was an outcall visit and I told the lady that my business associate would wait in the bathroom/other room until the end of the visit? Even if it was a suite, I doubt they would be very happy with me. :rolleyes: I really appreciate how responsive Jessica seems to be, however, to the feedback PK gets.

Let me try to keep this thread going a bit longer now that it is in the right place. I have also had a number of visits with Trish at Ottawa Playgirls. She is down to earth, good looking and very sensual. As I said on another board, I would definitely repeat, again and again!

ekimout -- Well done ... thanks for the information. Sounds like you made a positive impression on the ladies, and that certainly helps when you want to have great experiences.

Sorry Alexxxis, I saw you reply after I started my first reply ... that's very well put (especially the last line ;)). The thing is, I'm not going to discuss the issue at all ... I'm just going to rely on whatever the lady has stated about herself on her website or ad, so the more detail that is there, the better. Also, her reviews, if any, on cerb and terb, etc. Again, I could be taken advantage of, but that's preferable to the alternative IMHO, and ... at least so far, its always turned out fine.

CK and Katia -- CK, your point about e-mail details is a good one, and that's why I prefer to meet ladies or agencies that are good at responding online. Katia, your point is also a good one, and I have always had the money in an unsealed envelope and immediately and discretely point it out to the lady when she comes in. My point goes to the "details": I'd rather just rely on the ladies website or ad information and, if possible, a reference to "GFE." I suppose I could be taken advantage of, but I'd rather have my teeth drilled than discuss that after arrival, both because I am shy and, also, because I never want to be accused of soliciting a lady for a sexual act. Having a reasonably certain definition of GFE, or at least an explanation of what GFE means to a particular lady that is listed in their website or ad, is good for both the client and the lady. I did have one humorous/embarrassing situation arise in my first and only visit to Montreal last fall, I think due to the fact that I had underestimated the language barrier. As usual (usual is a relative term because I have only done this a handful of times -- smile), when the lady arrived, I pointed out the envelope and a small gift that I had left on a table, but she didn't seem to pay much attention, and we went on with our encounter. At the end of the visit, I didn't even notice that the envelope/gift was still there, and when I asked her if there was anything else I could get her before she left, she giggled in a serious way and said, "pay me!" I immediately again pointed out the envelope and gift, and she was very happy with both and left with a big hug and kiss, but I still felt terrible, and obviously she didn't understand English that well so she presumably had to go through the entire visit not knowing where the money was. That should never happen to a lady.

CK -- I cant disagree with that ... there's no substitute for good communication. But the last thing I want to do when I meet a new lady is to go through a business transaction, so to speak. I want to invite her in, sit down with a glass of wine and get to know her a bit, not discuss what's "on the menu," so to speak. As stupid as it may sound, I want it to be as real as possible. In my limited experience, going with a reputable agency and a well-reviewed lady is the best way to try to guarantee a good experience ... not just relying on whether the term GFE is used or not. Having more information on the website or advertisement is also helpful.

Katia -- A "2 by 4" is a piece of wood, 2" by 4" by 8 feet long. In this instance, it is a rude reference to the fact that Julie is saying the lady against which the comment was made has no "curves," so to speak. One "truth " on this board, and others, that I have seen over and over again is that someone NEVER gets ahead by insulting someone else.

Lionheart -- If you dont mind me asking, would you be the same person as the poster under the name "Lion Heart" on Merb.ca?

ouiman -- I'm fairly new to cerb, but I have more posts on terb using the same name. First, I want to wish anyone who is offering services of any (reasonable -- smile) sort the best of success. Alexxxis is a regular poster and I defer to her judgement on the "SP" point. But just a suggestion ... if you dont hear from Julie or Nathalie, there are a number of SPs who provide dancing and massage as part of their services. That way, if you like how things are developing, the "complete treatment" (wink) is still available to you. Good luck and BTW, Happy Easter everyone.

I also agree with Joy ... half the fun (wellll, maybe not half :rolleyes:) is doing some checking and research. Not exactly what you are referring to by "your situation," but for what its worth, after doing a lot of research, especially with reviews from some of the more respected posters both here and on another board (terb), I ended up choosing someone who was an absolute perfect first time experience for me. She was friendly, polite, well-spoken and very sexy all at the right points, so to speak. If you are polite and respectful, you are pretty certain to have a good time with a well-reviewed lady. Just read the reviews and look for things that sound good to you ... that's all I did. If you are a true "first timer, in every sense of the word, you may want to book more time so that you're not rushed. Good luck and happy hunting!

Caden -- Although I'm fairly new here, I have a number of posts on terb (and at least PKJessica knows me -- smile). For what its worth, I dont know why any guy would want to do anything other than make a lady feel as comfortable and safe as humanly possible, especially on a first visit. This is as tough enough of a job without having to put up with stuff like this. I realize this was a "weirdo"-type situation, but I suspect you are pretty creeped out by the whole thing. I have a LOT of respect for you all and the courage you all show given the situations you must find yourselves in. Its nice to have forums like these where the SPs can share this information and help each other out. Take care.

Don't Barb's and Barefax have a 19 year old minimum requirement?