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Cristy -- I agree, but a PM or phone discussion asking for a confirmation of the rate At the time of booking seems prudent for both parties. That way there is no possibility of a misunderstanding. Most of the ladies take Canadian Tire dollars, right? ;)))))))))

It is certainly reasonable to argue that animals dont have the same sort of "natural rights," a la John Locke, than human beings have. But I'm sure many people on this board will disagree with that, and there is an argument that animals, also as God's creatures, have some of the same sort of natural rights. And even if animals dont have natural rights, they have what "rights" that are granted to them by virtue by the governments in the jurisdictions where they are located, correct? By "rights," I mean if there is a law that prevents a person from doing a certain thing to an animal, or proscribes that an animal has to be treated in a certain manner (properly fed and not violently assaulted, for instance). A goverment has the right, by consent of its citizens, to pass such laws, does it not? There are a lot of laws on the books that deal with how one treats their property. So I dont think you can say that just because an animal is "property" gives its owner the right to treat it in any manner it choses. And in this case the law is very clear. Again, the consent argument just doesn't work either IMO for reasons I already explained.

ostrich -- Dont leave! I, for one, really appreciate your posts on that "bad life decision" thread. I just think this is a pretty invalid argument and again the subject is at best creepy and at worse, illegal, at least to the extent it is advocating doing that sort of thing. Respectfully, let me try by accepting your premise: as long as the defendant takes a video and presents it to the judge that the animal wasn't fighting back, does the defendant win? Do you perform direct or cross-examination of the animal? This just gets silly and even ickier very fast.

I see no difference in reviews ... the ladies like them and its helps potential clients locate ladies. Just need to be careful not to go into too much detail.

skinflute -- Nicely done. That's something a gentleman would do and it would seem to show you care about that lady not just as a SP but as a human being. My only concern would be if there are two many guys hearing that story ... that might indicate its just a line being used on unwary customers. Giving the benefit of the doubt, the easiest solution is just for the lady to collect the fee up front, or to agree that the lady can hold onto something of value to the customer until the customer returns with the money.

First, taking a deep breath ... The legal principle of "consent," as you are using it, is one that can only be applied to humans, period. That rules out the dog, period. In many cases the state has chosen to limit the ability even for human beings to consent (minors, mentally disabled). I have no earthly clue what euthansia of animals has to do with being an argument in favor of bestiality but, please, enlighten us all. I, for one, would like to see this thread stay open just long enough for use to show ostrich how stupid his arguments are. And I even regret stating that way but this has to rank as one of the creepiest things I have read on cerb.

Agree with cometman. Glad to hear this was resolved on cerb. Dont let clowns like this get into your head. Best wishes.

Cato -- normally I dont comment on these sorts of threads, but I will make an exception for you ... congratulations!

I'll defer to the others on this board as you sound like a really nice person, and really sorry to hear that happened. However, I doubt I would come back ... its one thing to make a mistake, but to have that complicated exponentialy by being met at the door by a male roommate/significant other ... that's really tough. Personally, the one person in the world that I dont want to see or have anything to do with is a guy that lives with the lady in question ... that sucks all the mystery out for me, and it becomes almost a socio-biological reaction to stay away from that person as they are closely associated with someone else. I can live with that when its abstract, but not when he answers the door (smile). That would literally give me the shivers and stories like this remind me why I prefer outcall visits. If you are really interested in getting this client back, you may want to offer him a very special financial arrangement or other "perk" (dinner or something like that). Hope this helps and best wishes.

Have any of these ladies been able to grab the phone number being used? That might help locate the a**hole. Best wishes as always.

There is no evidence whatsoever that dunn's post wasn't authentic ... As WIT has correctly pointed out, he had been a member for quite a while, posted on many different topics and provided reviews. It's not logical at all ... and frankly bordering on ridiculous ... to say that he made it up or was just a throwing a message board "bomb," or anything like that. I think maybe because some of you don't like the message you are starting to attack the messenger. Maybe many here don't like what he had to say, and I think it's fair to criticize and comment on the points he raises, but don't make this personal. Please, please go back and read the original post ... his "warning," for lack of a better term, is directed at married guys. It seems to me to be from the heart and to that group, this is something they need to hear as a reality check now and then.

Agreed ... Completely. This is a great summary.

The OP's post is a reality check, and after thinking about it overnight, I REALLY appreciate it. It grabs you by the throat, as it should. And its important for anyone in a committed relationship to take to heart. I think many of you, especially the guys, are being really hard on the OP here. Many of you are parsing words and phrases, and I never think that's a good idea as the OP probably didn't put that level of thought into the post when he wrote it, not to mention that there is a lot of emotion in that post. Sure, he's blaming things a bit on cerb ... maybe ... but he seems to be taking responsibility and he looks to be in the middle of sorting all that out when he wrote the note. And I definitely disagree that he shouldn't come back and read the messages ... maybe that's helping him work through this, so I hope he does come back and take a look. I wish him the best.

Dunn's original post is a helpful reality check for a portion of the guys here on Cerb. How big a portion that is I have no idea. That being said, rock on!

I did a double take as well! Kinda funny. But Peachy's basic thought is a pure and good one. In fact, beyond simple politeness, such as opening doors, etc., we should all, as Emeril Lagasse says, "kick it up a notch" and try to help someone out who is struggling a bit.

Never done this. An intriguing idea, but I think that is going to be very dependent on "Chemistry" and the maturity of the lady. For instance, I would consider this difficult to do with a bubbly 21 year old that is chewing gum and twirling her hair around while she is talking to me. (smile)

See previous answer Post 18 ... A definite maybe, especially if it's a first visit. That's why it's a good idea for all the ladies to do a good job with their photos.

Yes .. stop in ... I think PK is at 245 Sparks Street (wink). Or is that the Bank of Canada? I get them confused all the time. :>) That doesn't seem like the most practical approach, especially if you are trying to maintain some anonymity. Angela's approach seems like a great idea.

There are a few independents that seem to be ok with this or actually prefer it, but maybe only if you have a strong online presence, maybe through cerb or another board, so that your name is trusted. The agencies certainly dont seem to like this much, although PK did accomodate me via pm once about 9 months ago (last time I used them).

One other thought ... it might be easiest to get started with a group of guys, but I have heard from the ladies on numerous occasions that their favorite situation is to approach a potential client while they are alone. That way, you dont have the dynamics you can get into with a lady walking up to a table of a bunch of guys. Also, its not always possible to attend with others if you are trying to maintain your anonymity. On the other hand, if you go with other guys from here they will likely know some of the ladies and can help "set you up," to to speak. Barbs is about as easy to get started at as any SC ... is not too big, and its set up to get as close to, or as far away from, the action as you want.

I get the impression, based on her cerb posts, that Sacha is probably the smartest person in any room into which she enters (smile), so I'm trying to read more into her question than I probably should. My answer is that it must be split into two questions, and you have to ask both: 1. Is there any relationship between the the perceived value of how good the time together was and the price? The answer is no, or very little, in my experience. I have had fantastic experiences at $180/hour and just OK experiences at $300/hour or more ... but I have definitely also had fantastic experiences with higher-priced encounters and not so great experiences with lower priced ones. Its all about chemistry, maturity, etc. etc. etc.. 2. Is there any relationship between the perceived value and the time spent marketing, advertising, interactions on cerb, etc. and the price? The answer is yes, absolutlely. If a lady here takes the time to market herself well, there is most definitely a value that a potential client will likely assign to that, and that increases the possible rate that lady can charge. This is a great topic and can provide some good information to the ladies, but one thing I want to make absolutely clear: As roger dodger said, and as I have said on numerous occasions, I am in awe of each and every lady on this forum... they are all angels in my mind. I would never, ever ... ever ... associate a decision about how a lady chooses to price her services with her "value" as a SP.

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I don't think it's getting heated, just people expressing their opinions strongly. Nothing wrong with that as long as its respectful IMO. BCB, there's a lot going on in your posts, issue wise ... Care to take those one at a time?

Agreed ... That's been true throughout the ages! Additional Comments: Thanks for the extra background. I guess we'll probably never know why Lany deleted her post, but if that's all there was to it, that's even weirder in my opinion. I'll leave the other specifics out of it, but I definitely stand by my opinion that no one here (except for our Mod., of course) is a self appointed censor of topics -- either to the original poster or others that might have an opinion -- as long as the poster is being respectful and the subject isn't illegal or otherwise out of bounds per Cerb rules. Like most everyone else, I want us to have a great board and encourage as much discussion as possible.