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Negotiating is one of my professional areas of expertise (large construction and/or service contracts, sponsorships, labour contracts etc.). Most (not all) of what is being described and discussed in this thread is better characterized as haggling or asking for a price discount, not true negotiation. Negotiation involves an exchange of interests, building a relationship for the future and multiple variables that can be grouped in different ways to create value for both parties. Sp services would be akin to personal/consulting services contracts. In these service contracts hourly rates are not negotiated. What is negotiated is how much time, effort and quality is expected in the service provided or product delivered. Even then, there is a service threshold below which a company will not go just to obtain revenue. This is because the quality of service will be below their standards and will affect their reputation and future business. With the exception of a Sugar Daddy arrangement, there doesn't seem to be much room for an sp to negotiate the quality and quantity of service while maintaining their service standards and hourly fee. Here are a few examples of discount, haggling and negotiating. Price Discount A price discount usually involves a percentage or flat fee discount off the usual price in an attempt to increase volume (e.g. summer specials, early bird discount). The seller sets the discount rate, announces its terms and the length of time it's available. Some sp's advertise these discounts. Others may provide price discounts if they have received a retainer (cash in advance) for multiple sessions. The client doesn't "negotiate" you pay the advertised special rate. Haggling Haggling works for sellers when there is no posted price or the posted price is higher than what they normally accept. The seller tries to get the maximum amount of money from each client. (Think Moroccan market). The client asks the price or offers an amount. The seller responds with a price which is higher than they were offered and is in fact higher than what they usually accept. Back and forth for a while. An unsophisticated client will pay more than others. So gentlemen, be careful what you ask for! In addition in an Internet age the various prices will get around and damage the sp's business. Some men will be upset they paid more than others, while others will now only pay the lowest price they've seen quoted by other clients. Haggling works for a purchaser when the price is fixed but there are overhead costs (e.g delivery, installation etc) which are built into the business and the seller has some flexibility to "negotiate " those costs. While sp's have overhead costs, there aren't a whole lot of flexible costs that they can discount, without it coming directly out of their purse. I suppose if you wanted to try their make up on, they might indulge that for no extra charge lol. But don't touch their shoes or stockings lol Forbes magazine describes haggling as short-sighted "Which is emotionally charged, combative... that leads to low-quality solutions and results in lose-lose outcomes." Negotiation Here's an example of defining the terms of a Sugar Daddy relationship which involves true negotiation, but which I don't believe can apply to a 30 minute to multi-hour appointment with an sp. A client approaches an sp about formalizing a Sugar Daddy relationship. They discuss whether it will be an exclusive relationship, the net income the sp expects to make, the frequency and type of services which will be provided. How much payment will be cash and how much will be Value in Kind (e.g. housing, grooming, clothes, travel etc). How much cash income does the sp need (car payments, tuition, entertainment etc.) Let's take one element, housing. Maybe the Sugar Daddy offers a high end condo that he owns to offset some of his cash fees to the sp. Maybe the sp doesn't want to move. Maybe if she moves, she wants a lease to guarantee a one year occupancy and 2 months notice in case the relationship doesn't work out. Maybe the Suggar Daddy wants to assign a $3000/month market value to the condo as part of his cash and Value in Kind offer. The sp responds that even if it's worth $3000, since she's only paying $1000 a month rent now, she can't afford to lose an additional $2000 income just to live in greater luxury. My point is that there's a complexity to "negotiations". There are lots of variables in play. Each party describes their interests, but they also try to understand the other party's interests and satisfy them. They also want to build a long term relationship with a win/win solution. Asking for a discount on a one hour session or offering the $200 bucks you've got is not negotiation. Personally Personally, although I'm very comfortable negotiating, I don't try to negotiate, haggle or ask for a discount from service providers. I understand, accept and appreciate that the service providers I see, and most of those posting in this thread, operate on a fixed price model which is common for most goods and services in North America. Just accept and respect that. On a lighter note... If you've made it this far. When I typed "Maybe the Sugar Daddy offers a high end condo" autocorrect changed "condo" to "condom" lol

[quote name=SamanthaEvans; If someone is going to commit an illegal act' date=' he's not entitled to attempt to convince, pressure or inveigle someone else to do it, too.[/quote] Samantha, if we were playing Scrabble I would hope you get a triple word score for "inveigle" ;-)

Ha ha Good one Berlin! I don't think I've got a definitive answer. Here are my initial thoughts. I think that subsection e) should be read in the context of the previous and subsequent subsections all of which address pimping and/or coercion. A recommendation wouldn't seem to be similar in nature to any of the other offences listed. Returning to the original question I've never heard of a conviction for online or print advertising. Given that, a conviction for an online recommendation would be even more unlikely.

The short answer is that since prostitution is legal in Canada, providing recommendations with details is also legal. You're describing a legal event that took place. End of story.

I've enjoyed MMFF and MFFF. In those scenarios I can honestly say we were having sex "together". Another person added to the mix and I think we could all still manage to have "hands on" fun ;-) In larger sessions of 8-12 other male and female partners I think the phrase that comes to mind is "My reach exceeded my grasp" ;-) Those were great sessions, but I wouldn't say I was having sex with everyone "together" and that they were "partners". We were having sex simultaneously and swapping different combinations in the same room. Mind you the voyeurism and exhibitionism in those cases was great... and I suppose that counts as sex too ;-)

[I]This story brings to mind the phrase "The left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing." This article discusses a new directive to New York police regarding "possession of condoms", which is a blow for common sense and public health. For those who are not familiar with Canadian prostitution laws, please note this story has no legal relevance to Canada where prostitution is legal. I'm just posting this because even in the U.S. where attitudes towards sex and prostitution can be very archaic and moralistic, this is evidence that in some areas responsible sexual practices and public health are understood to be more important than law enforcement.[/I] [B]Police in Brooklyn Are Told Not to Seize Condoms of Prostitutes[/B] New York Times By J. DAVID GOODMAN It has been a paradox of New York City government long assailed by aid groups for sex workers: the Health Department hands out millions of condoms to stem the spread of deadly diseases, while the Police Department collects condoms as evidence in arrests for prostitution. Now in Brooklyn, prosecutors have a message for the police: stop taking the condoms. In a letter sent last week to Commissioner Raymond W. Kelly, the Brooklyn district attorney, Charles J. Hynes, said his office would not use possession of condoms as evidence of prostitution or loitering for the purpose of prostitution. â??Accordingly,â? Mr. Hynes wrote in the letter, dated Friday, â??the collection and vouchering of condoms as evidence by members of your departmentâ? in such cases in Brooklyn â??should immediately cease.â? Advocates for sex workers have argued that officersâ?? use of condoms to support their arrests discouraged prostitutes from using condoms, presenting a public health risk. A 2012 report by the group Human Rights Watch found that such arrests sowed a fear of carrying condoms among sex workers. Asked about Mr. Hynesâ??s call for policing changes, the Police Departmentâ??s chief spokesman, Paul J. Browne, said the department agreed that â??it is not necessary to seize condoms as evidence of the intent of an individual to engage in prostitution.â? But Mr. Browne added: â??We do not rule out their evidentiary value when going after pimps and sex traffickers. If there is a bowlful of condoms in a massage parlor, we want our officers to be able to seize them as evidence against the trafficker.â? While prosecutors are generally wary of excluding whole categories of evidence, there is a growing consensus that condoms should not be part of prostitution cases that do not involve sex trafficking. Prosecutors in Manhattan, Queens and the Bronx said that while their offices had no formal policies in place, in practice condoms were rarely if ever introduced in prostitution cases. â??Because of public health policy considerations, it is now the practice of the Manhattan D.A.â??s office not to introduce condoms as evidence in individual loitering for prostitution or prostitution cases,â?said Erin M. Duggan, the chief spokeswoman for the office. But the cityâ??s district attorneys â?? including Mr. Hynes in Brooklyn â?? said they would continue to view condoms as potential evidence in trafficking cases. (Sex trafficking, a felony charge, is often brought against pimps.) A vast majority of the nearly 2,500 arrests for misdemeanor prostitution in the city last year â?? including more than 600 in Brooklyn â?? never make it to trial and many are resolved at arraignment, said Steven Banks, the chief lawyer for the Legal Aid Society, with cases dismissed or suspects released after accepting pleas for time served after a night in jail. â??Our front-line staff see these sorts of charges every day,â? he said. The new policy in Brooklyn mirrors, in part, one adopted in February in Nassau County and comes amid continued efforts in Albany to pass a bill, first introduced in 1999, that would prohibit condoms from being used as evidence in criminal court, including in sex trafficking cases. Nassau prosecutors already reject condoms as evidence, even in more serious cases. â??It was very important to me to also extend the ban to traffickers,â? said Kathleen M. Rice, the Nassau County district attorney. Without it, she said, â??traffickers will refuse to hand out condoms to their workers and in fact prohibit their use,â? putting the victims of trafficking at risk. Indeed, for many advocates in New York City, Mr. Hynesâ??s policy shift, while welcome, does not go far enough. â??People ask me how many condoms is it legal to carry,â? said Andrea Ritchie, a lawyer with Streetwise and Safe. â??I tell them that thereâ??s no law against carrying condoms, but itâ??s true that police and prosecutors will use them as evidence. Thatâ??s why weâ??re pushing for state legislation.â?

The National Survey of Sexual Health and Behavior conducted in the U.S. was published in 2010. It's the largest and most comprehensive sexual survey conducted to date, with 5800 participants between the ages of 14-94. Here are 3 interesting findings related to female orgasims. The first one of course isn't surprising. The second one is good to know. The third one is very interesting. 1. About 85% of men report that their partner had an orgasm at the most recent sexual event; this compares to the 64% of women who report having had an orgasm at their most recent sexual event. (A difference that is too large to be accounted for by some of the men having had male partners at their most recent event.) 2.Men are more likely to orgasm when sex includes vaginal intercourse; women are more likely to orgasm when they engage in a variety of sex acts and when oral sex or vaginal intercourse is included. When all five basic (sex) acts identified by the study (penile-vaginal intercourse or PVI, solo masturbation, mutual masturbation, oral sex and anal sex) are included in a session the women report having orgasims 90% of the time. 3. A higher percentage of women reported having an orgasm during their last sexual encounter when their partner was a nonrelationship partner (81% of women) as compared with a relationship partner (58% of women)."

For the moment I'll take it at face value that you do have Asperger Syndrome. It would certainly be one explanation for your odd behaviour on this Board and the generally insensitive and painfully awkward/innappropriate nature of your posts. Assuming you do have Aspergers I'd suggest you stop posting. You're in way over your social abilities. Just read and learn. All of your questions can be answered by reading the posts in the New to this? Things you should know... section. Here's the link: http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=207 If you decide to see an sp, in addition to explaining that you are a virgin, you should also mention that you have Aspergers and what this means. Otherwise I don't see your session going well. There is a lot of subtle social interaction and communication that occurs in a sexual encounter that you will have difficulty with. On the other hand maybe you are a troll. In the end it doesn't matter whether you are a troll or have Aspergers. Your posts are not a constructive contribution and you will likely eventually be banned from the Board if you continue them. If you do have Aspergers, take my advice and refrain from posting and just read and learn.

You describe this as the "ultimate" escort. Here are a few synonyms for "ultimate" that may end up describing your ultimate "unhappy ending". Extreme... Final... Last... Terminal... and Ending.

[I]This is the third and final article I've posted on R&D in next generation condoms. This R&D is not exactly for a new condom, but it is a next generation technology for birth control and STD protection. This nanofibre technology is for vaginal application.[/I] [B]Electrically Spun Fabric Offers Dual Defense Against Pregnancy, HIV[/B] By Hannah Hickey News and Information November 30, 2012 University of Washington The only way to protect against HIV and unintended pregnancy today is the condom. Itâ??s an effective technology, but not appropriate or popular in all situations. A University of Washington team has developed a versatile platform to simultaneously offer contraception and prevent HIV. Electrically spun cloth with nanometer-sized fibers can dissolve to release drugs, providing a platform for cheap, discrete and reversible protection. The research was published this week in the Public Library of Scienceâ??s open-access journal PLoS One. The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation last month awarded the UW researchers almost $1 million to pursue the technology. â??Our dream is to create a product women can use to protect themselves from HIV infection and unintended pregnancy,â? said corresponding author Kim Woodrow, a UW assistant professor of bioengineering. â??We have the drugs to do that. Itâ??s really about delivering them in a way that makes them more potent, and allows a woman to want to use it.â? Electrospinning uses an electric field to catapult a charged fluid jet through air to create very fine, nanometer-scale fibers. The fibers can be manipulated to control the materialâ??s solubility, strength and even geometry. Because of this versatility, fibers may be better at delivering medicine than existing technologies such as gels, tablets or pills. No high temperatures are involved, so the method is suitable for heat-sensitive molecules. The fabric can also incorporate large molecules, such as proteins and antibodies, that are hard to deliver through other methods. At a lab meeting last year, Woodrow presented the concept, and co-authors Emily Krogstad and Cameron Ball, both first-year graduate students, pursued the idea. They first dissolved polymers approved by the Food and Drug Administration and antiretroviral drugs used to treat HIV to create a gooey solution that passes through a syringe. As the stream encounters the electric field it stretches to create thin fibers measuring 100 to several thousand nanometers that whip through the air and eventually stick to a collecting plate (one nanometer is about one 25-millionth of an inch). The final material is a stretchy fabric that can physically block sperm or release chemical contraceptives and antivirals. "This method allows controlled release of multiple compounds,â? Ball said. â??We were able to tune the fibers to have different release properties.â? One of the fabrics they made dissolves within minutes, potentially offering users immediate, discrete protection against unwanted pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases. Another dissolves gradually over a few days, providing an option for sustained delivery, more like the birth-control pill, to provide contraception and guard against HIV. The fabric could incorporate many fibers to guard against many different sexually transmitted infections, or include more than one anti-HIV drug to protect against drug-resistant strains (and discourage drug-resistant strains from emerging). Mixed fibers could be designed to release drugs at different times to increase their potency, like the prime-boost method used in vaccines. The electrospun cloth could be inserted directly in the body or be used as a coating on vaginal rings or other products. Electrospinning has existed for decades, but itâ??s only recently been automated to make it practical for applications such as filtration and tissue engineering. This is the first study to use nanofibers for vaginal drug delivery. While this technology is more discrete than a condom, and potentially more versatile than pills or plastic or rubber devices, researchers say there is no single right answer. â??At the time of sex, are people going to actually use it? Thatâ??s where having multiple options really comes into play,â? Krogstad said. â??Depending on cultural background and personal preferences, certain populations may differ in terms of what form of technology makes the most sense for them.â? The team is focusing on places like Africa where HIV is most common, but the technology could be used in the U.S. or other countries to offer birth control while also preventing one or more sexually transmitted diseases. The research to date was funded by the National Institutes of Health and the UWâ??s Center for AIDS Research. The other co-author on the paper is Thanyanan Chaowanachan, a UW postdoctoral researcher and longtime HIV expert. The team will use the new Gates Foundation grant to evaluate the versatility and feasibility of their system. The group will hire more research staff and buy an electrospinning machine to make butcher-paper sized sheets. The expanded team will spend a year testing combinations that deliver two antiretroviral drugs used to treat HIV and a hormonal contraceptive, and then six months scaling up production of the most promising materials. [url]http://www.washington.edu/news/2012/11/30/electrically-spun-fabric-offers-dual-defense-against-pregnancy-hiv/[/url]

[I]I've attached a link to the original article as well as the company website. The company website shows prototypes of the penile, vaginal and anal models collapsed and extended.[/I] [B]Origami Condoms Radically Redesigns Almost Century-Old Latex Protection[/B] Catherine New: Huffington Post Posted: 04/08/2013 10:31 am EDT | Updated: 04/08/2013 2:01 Let's face it, for many people the classic latex condom is an unsensational product at best. And for nearly a century, no one really bothered to make that basic design any better. But now a small business called Origami Condoms says it is ready to reinvent the condom and make it more appealing to use by taking a design tip from the Japanese art of paper folding. The secret? An accordion-like design. "The latex condom was strictly protection. No one liked using it," Origami Condoms' creator and company founder, Danny Resnic, told The Huffington Post. "We are trying to create a condom that feels great and is much closer to the real deal to encourage people to use them." Traditional condom makers have long been trying to make the existing condom design more appealing with textures and even flavors. But Origami Condoms' breakthrough style -- which has condoms folded up rather than rolled up like its predecessors -- acts as a loose-fitting sheath when it's in use and moves with the natural movement of the body. That means both participants will experience a lot more sensation during sex, Resnic said. The company, which is based in Marina del Rey, Calif., has already snagged the attention of sexual health proponents as well as other major latex condom manufacturers who are interested in licensing the design, according to Resnic. Last month the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation called out the new condom company as a leading innovator for sexual health on its blog. "Origami Condoms provides an excellent example of a private enterprise focused on new condom design to promote consistent use by emphasizing the sexual experience," the blog post reads. The foundation is also offering $100,000 to innovators to redesign the condom as part of a campaign for global health initiatives. But interested parties may still have to wait awhile to get their hands on these innovative rubbers. Origami's condoms are still in clinical testing and will not be available for purchase until early 2015 at the soonest, Resnic said. The condom designs must first go through rigorous multi-phase testing before the company can apply for approval from the Food and Drug Administration. Part of what makes the new design possible is its departure from latex, which is prone to breaking. Instead, Origami's condoms are made from super-supple silicone, which allows the condom to be folded rather than rolled and to withstand more vigorous movement without tearing. (Check out the company's video for a demonstration of how they work.) The danger of a torn condoms is something Resnic knows about only too well. In 1993 he was infected with HIV after a condom broke, he said. That event led Resnic, who has a professional background in design, to look at all the ways the traditional condom could be improved. The new Origami Condoms design is not just about safety and pleasure, but also about speed, he said. In test groups, the new Origami Condoms could be put on in less than three seconds -- much faster than a traditional condom, which must be unrolled. Origami is also working on a redesign of the female condom, which has faltered in popularity since it launched two decades ago. The company has also created the first condom to be designed exclusively for use in anal intercourse, Resnic said. These designs are also going through clinical testing. The company has already received more than $3 million in funding for research and development, according to Resnic, and starting later this month, it will launch a fundraiser for an advertising campaign. Even if these newfangled condoms do find their way to market, they won't be cheap or subtle. Unlike today's condoms, which can be squeezed into a wallet, these will be packaged in golf-ball-sized pods. The company has not yet set a price point, but the condoms are likely to cost more than today's goods. In one study conducted by Origami, participants said they would pay more than $7 per condom. Resnic is convinced that people will be willing to pay for the experience of using one. "Itâ??s a shift from protection to pleasure. Our focus is on making condom experience more pleasurable than anyone imagined possible," he said. "We almost didnâ??t want to call it a condom." [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/08/origami-condoms_n_3020314.html?icid=hp_search_art[/url] [url]http://www.origamicondoms.com/[/url]

[I]The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation have sponsored a design competition to fund research to develop the "next generation of condoms". Their funding in other public health areas such as malaria prevention and portable toilets has been very effective so this is something to keep an eye on. The following text is the original proposal call. One of the interesting design challenges is to design condoms which actually enhance sensation in order to increase use. Since the initial proposal call some designs have been funded for additional R&D. I'll post a couple threads on two innovative designs that are in the R&D stage. These are the Origami Condom (penile, vaginal and anal designs) and nanofibres for vaginal application. [/I] [B]TOPIC: Develop the Next Generation of Condom Grand Challenges Explorations Round 11 March 2013[/B] [B]Opportunity[/B] Male condoms are cheap, easy to manufacture, easy to distribute, and available globally, including in resource poor settings, through numerous well developed distribution channels. The current rate of global production is 15 billion units/year with an estimated 750 million users and a steadily growing market. Condoms have almost universal product recognition. There are few places on earth where condoms are not recognized or not available. When used properly, they reliably protect females from pregnancy and both partners from numerous STIs, including HIV transmission, making them a prime example of a multi-purpose prevention technology (MPT). Their use does not require a prescription, a skilled health provider or in fact any healthcare provider or healthcare delivery system. There are no adverse events associated with their use, a statement that cannot be made for any other contraceptive or STI-preventive product. They are user controlled, user applied devices that are simple to use and easily transported. These characteristics make male condoms the perfect MPT product, especially for low resource settings. The one major drawback to more universal use of male condoms is the lack of perceived incentive for consistent use. The primary drawback from the male perspective is that condoms decrease pleasure as compared to no condom, creating a trade-off that many men find unacceptable, particularly given that the decisions about use must be made just prior to intercourse. Is it possible to develop a product without this stigma, or better, one that is felt to enhance pleasure? If so, would such a product lead to substantial benefits for global health, both in terms of reducing the incidence of unplanned pregnancies and in prevention of infection with HIV or other STIs? Likewise, female condoms can be an effective method for prevention of unplanned pregnancy or HIV infection, but suffer from some of the same liabilities as male condoms, require proper insertion training and are substantially more expensive than their male counterparts. While negotiating use of female condoms may be easier than male condoms, this need for negotiation precisely illustrates the barrier preventing greater use that we seek to address through this call. [B]The Challenge:[/B] Condoms have been in use for about 400 years yet they have undergone very little technological improvement in the past 50 years. The primary improvement has been the use of latex as the primary material and quality control measures which allow for quality testing of each individual condom. Material science and our understanding of neurobiology has undergone revolutionary transformation in the last decade yet that knowledge has not been applied to improve the product attributes of one of the most ubiquitous and potentially underutilized products on earth. New concept designs with new materials can be prototyped and tested quickly. Large-scale human clinical trials are not required. Manufacturing capacity, marketing, and distribution channels are already in place. We are looking for a Next Generation Condom that significantly preserves or enhances pleasure, in order to improve uptake and regular use. Additional concepts that might increase uptake include attributes that increase ease-of-use for male and female condoms, for example better packaging or designs that are easier to properly apply. In addition, attributes that address and overcome cultural barriers are also desired. Proposals must (i) have a testable hypothesis, (ii) include an associated plan for how the idea would be tested or validated, and (iii) yield interpretable and unambiguous data in Phase I, in order to be considered for Phase II funding. A few examples of work that would be considered for funding: Application of safe new materials that may preserve or enhance sensation; Development and testing of new condom shapes/designs that may provide an improved user experience; Application of knowledge from other fields (e.g. neurobiology, vascular biology) to new strategies for improving condom desirability. We will not consider funding for: Exclusively non-technological, social, or educational interventions; Testing of existing commercially available products; Proposals without a clearly articulated hypothesis or plan for testing the proposed productâ??s value in overcoming adherence issues; Concepts that are inherently too expensive for a developing world setting; Concepts that would sacrifice the value of condoms for prevention of either unplanned pregnancy or HIV infection. [url]http://www.grandchallenges.org/explorations/topics/pages/nextgenerationcondomround11.aspx[/url]

I think there's a typo in the second paragraph that affects the meaning of the author's argument... which I agree is much better than the average Globe journalist. The word "subjective" should be substituted for "objective". [I]"Sex work is illegal because it is largely viewed as immoral and degrading, but morality is objective [B][U]subjective [/U][/B] and societyâ??s opinion on what is â??rightâ? and â??wrongâ? is constantly shifting."[/I] In the recent Supreme Court of Canada hearing for example, the anti prostitution arguments from intervenors in the case were based upon the subjective belief that prostitution is morally wrong. The pro prostitution arguments were based upon objective evidence demonstrating the harm that current prostitution laws have upon the lives of sex workers.

[I]Apparently the Chinese legal system is struggling with their prostitution laws as well. It looks like their definition of prostitution was written by Bill Clinton... no intercourse = no sex = no prostitution. Well, let's hope there's a happy ending to this story. (How could I resist ;-) ) [/I] [B]In Rare Debate, Chinaâ??s Courts, Police Argue Whether â??Happy Endingâ?? Sexual Services Are Legal[/B] GILLIAN WONG BEIJING â?? The Associated Press Published Friday, Jun. 28 2013, 7:30 AM EDT Last updated Friday, Jun. 28 2013, 7:33 AM EDT Chinaâ??s law enforcers are having an unusually public debate about a delicate topic: Do paid sexual services known as â??happy endingsâ? at massage parlours count as crimes if they donâ??t involve actual sexual intercourse? While prostitution is illegal in China, its boundaries are being discussed with rare candour by courts, police and state media â?? even the usually stodgy flagship newspaper of the Communist Party. â??Various places have different standards for whether masturbation services are a crime; judicial interpretation urgently needed,â? read a headline of the Peopleâ??s Daily newspaper, which usually spends its time lecturing party members about discipline or obscure ideological issues. The debate centres on sexual services provided by employees of usually low-end massage parlours or hair salons, advertised to customers with colorful phrases such as â??hitting the airplaneâ? and â??breast massage.â? While common in Beijing and many other Chinese cities, the services became part of a conspicuous national conversation only this week, following newspaper reports about a crackdown that fizzled in southern Guangdong province. Police in the city of Foshan arrested hair salon staff for providing sexual services, only to have prostitution charges against them overturned by a local court. A precedent apparently was set last year when the Foshan Intermediate Peopleâ??s Court threw out a verdict against a group of salon staff, including three managers who had been sentenced to five yearsâ?? imprisonment for â??organizing prostitution.â? Now courts, police, prosecutors, lawyers and academics are being quoted discussing oral sex and other types of sexual services facilitated by body parts excluding genitals, typically taboo topics that have captured the publicâ??s attention. The question is whether such services can be considered prostitution if there is no intercourse. Technically, no â?? at least according to the highest court in Guangdong province, which says such services fall outside the legal definition of prostitution. On its official microblog, the court pressed the legislature to clear up the matter, saying that although no law bars such services, they â??significantly damage social order and have a certain degree of social harm.â? The high court in eastern Zhejiang reportedly concurs that if there is no intercourse, thereâ??s no prostitution, but police in the capital Beijing, southern Guiyang and elsewhere disagree. The discrepancy in views is unusual in a society where police, prosecutors and courts are often seen as working in lock-step with one another. The debate also highlights how much more open urban Chinese have become in their attitudes toward sex, as prosperity rises and government controls on personal freedoms ease. Attitudes remain more traditional in the countryside. Sociologist and sex expert Li Yinhe said the debate showed the country has come a long way since two decades ago, when displays of public affection and even dancing with members of the opposite sex could be punished. â??The whole social atmosphere has changed. Even in the 1980s the crackdowns were very strong, very severe,â? Li said. â??... In the past, organizing prostitution used to be punishable by death.â? She took in the unexpected court verdict with mock horror, saying, â??This is simply too subversive.â?

73 Your results indicate that you are fairly comfortable experimenting sexually, and generally enjoy exploring different options on the great palette of sex. You are often willing to expand your repertoire and are quite skilled at using your creative instincts in the bedroom. Your approach is playful and fun. Amongst mutually consenting adults, your bedroom manner pulsates with life and love!

Thanks for all of your thoughtful and playful contributions Gabriella.

Good point. The Supreme Court decision striking down abortion laws is another relevant example of the Court using the Charter to defend individual freedoms on a polarizing social issue.

Hi Cristy, Empty83 has identified the key questions to ask yourself so that you and your trainer can identify some goals and establish an exercise program. As for who to select as a trainer, I'd suggest 2 things: 1) The trainer should have a training certification. There are lots of people, who call themselves trainers, but other than doing their own exercise program (usually building muscle bulk exclusively), they don't have a clue as to how to design a program, monitor a client's progress and motivate someone. They may even cause harm. I've attached a link which addresses certification and personal development for trainers. Even though it's for trainers, it's useful for clients and includes links to the major fitness certification organizations. 2) If you go to one of the major gyms such as Goodlife, Dalhousie, Canada Games Centre, Sportsplex etc. you'll not only get a certified trainer, but you'll also be assured that their performance as a trainer is being monitored by their employer. After all it's one thing to get the piece of paper, it's another to put the knowledge into practice with a client. It's also helpful that they can call on the expertise and advice of other trainers when necessary. The only other thing I'd add is that some people are gym monkeys, but most people aren't. In addition to getting a trainer and starting a fitness program, it's good to find physical activities that you enjoy doing and can do regularly with others that don't necessarily require you to go to the gym. Good luck and I hope you have fun! http://www.theptdc.com/2011/11/top-personal-training-certifications-canada/

Plato has already provided an excellent commentary on this. What I'd like to add is that we should remember that prostitution (the exchange of money or other compensation for sex) in Canada is not a criminal act. It is legal. Nothing in the Supreme Court of Canada's decision will change that legal fact. When we talk about "decriminalization" of prostitution in Canada we're referring to the activities associated with it (bawdy houses, solicitation, living off the avails etc). In other words, "decriminalization" in Canada doesn't deal with the "what" it addresses the "how". Since prostitution is already legal, if there is an issue of discrimination it already falls under Provincial Human Rights legislation which generally prevents people or corporations from discrimination "based on a characteristic or perceived characteristic". As Plato pointed out the Charter of Rights and Freedoms protects "individual" political, civil and linguistic rights from being violated by excessive and unreasonable "government laws". The Supreme Court decision won't suddenly introduce discrimination as a new issue. Additional Comments: There's quite a significant difference between a Criminal Code violation and a municipal bylaw violation for a zoning or licensing infraction. A criminal conviction related to current prostitution laws can result in jail time. That's hardship enough for the person convicted, but it also has an impact upon family/dependants. It can result in children being placed in foster care or affect child custody cases. A criminal record will arise in criminal records checks for employment, thereby limiting future employment and income opportunities. In other words a criminal conviction follows you for the rest of your life at significant financial and emotional cost to an sp and their family A municipal bylaw infraction on the other hand is like a parking ticket. It won't recriminalize sp's. You pay the fine and it doesn't result in a criminal record. You carry on with your life. In the most extreme instances it might result in an injunction or cease and desist order requiring you to move the business and obtain the appropriate permits/licenses. That's inconvenient, but a huge advance over the current legal situation. Municipalities will try to restrict and specify where prostitution services can take place. That's what zoning laws do. For sp's working discretely by themselves from home, a rented apartment or doing outcalls, municipal zoning bylaws and licenses aren't really going to change anything even if municipalitues prohibit prostitution services as a "home based business" or "home occupation". Sp's will carry on with their business under the radar, regardless of bylaws and there won't be any "crackdowns" by municipal bylaw officers. Bylaw investigations will only occur if there's sufficient activity to draw the attention and complaints of neighbours. No different than now really. No harm no foul. Brothels will be where the real zoning debate will occur. If you look at where and how strip clubs and massage parlours are currently permitted in your municipality that will give you a pretty good idea of where and how brothels will be permitted.

Marvin Gaye - What's Going On http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ph0aELhsQoc By the way, this is a rare live version of Marvin singing at the Motown Anniversary. It shows what a fantastic singer he is... his range, expressiveness, tone, smooth to raspy, improvising on the melody. When I close my eyes and dream that I can sing (I can't :( ) this is what I'd want to sound like. Robbie Robertson - Show Down at Big Sky Bruce Cockburn - If I Had A Rocket Launcher Bruce Cockburn - It's Going Down Slow Bob Marley - War/No More Trouble

For those on the run who may not have time to read everything I've copied below, I'll cut to the chase. The Oral Cancer Foundation states "We wish to be clear. Infection with even a high risk HPV virus does not mean that you will develop oral cancer. Most people's immune systems will clear the infection before a malignancy has the opportunity to occur." Michael Douglas is correct that there is a growing relationship between HPV and oral cancer. However he's incorrect in stating that it's likely to be the cause of his cancer. Michael Douglas' greatest risk factors were smoking, alcohol and age. For those under 50, HPV may be replacing tobacco as the leading risk factor. However, only about 1% of those infected with HPV will develop cancer. ________________________________________________________________ The following quotes are taken from The Oral Cancer Foundation, which advocates for research, patient support and public education. "Tobacco use in all its forms is number one on the list of risk factors in individuals over 50. Historically at least 75% of those diagnosed at 50 and older have been tobacco users... When you combine tobacco with heavy use of alcohol, your risk is significantly increased, as the two act synergistically (together). Those who both smoke and drink, have a 15 times greater risk of developing oral cancer than others." "Historically the majority of people are over the age of 40 at the time of discovery, it is now occurring more frequently in those under this age. Exact causes for those affected at a younger age are now becoming clearer in peer reviewed research, revealing a viral etiology (cause), the human papilloma virus number 16." "It is the foundation's belief, based on recent revelations in peer reviewed published data in the last few years, that in people under the age of 50, HPV16 may even be replacing tobacco as the primary causative agent in the initiation of the disease process." "The human papilloma virus, particularly HPV16, has been definitively implicated in oral cancers, particularly those that occur in the back of the mouth... HPV is a common, sexually transmitted virus, which infects about 40 million Americans today. There are over 130 strains of HPV, the majority of which are thought to be harmless. Most Americans will have some version of HPV in their lifetimes, and even be exposed to the oncogenic / cancer causing versions of it. But only approximately 1% of those infected, have a lack of immune response to the HPV16 strain which is a primary causative agent in cervical cancer (with HPV18 ), cancers of the anus and penis, and now is a known cause of oral cancer as well... It does not appear that the HPV16 viral cause acts synergistically (together) with tobacco or alcohol...HPV16 represents a completely unique and independent disease process." "So we wish to be clear. Infection with even a high risk HPV virus does not mean that you will develop oral cancer. Most people's immune systems will clear the infection before a malignancy has the opportunity to occur. It is likely that the changes in sexual behaviors of young adults over the last few decades, and which are continuing today, are increasing the spread of HPV, and the oncogenic (cancerous) versions of it."

Elvis Costello's Shipbuilding http://wyszukiwarkamp3.eu/video/IuPrrdRzlxc/elvis-costello-shipbuilding

Here's a column by Dan Savage, with input from a former New York male escort, on the current market demand from women for male escorts versus the demand fom gay men for male escorts. The column was published exactly a year ago so it should reflect the current market. Q I'm a straight male from southern California and I really want to be a straight male escort. The problem is the industry is shrouded with deceptive "agencies" that take advantage of the situation. Also, it's not like there's a Male Escort 101 course that I can take to learn how to avoid these traps. I don't know if you can help, but I really want to get into this industry, hopefully through a reputable agency. Do you have any advice, can you put me in touch with any male escorts (preferably straight ones) so I can pick their brains, and do you know of a reputable agency in my area? --Seeking The Upright Deal A "There is no gigolo industry," says Dominick, the former escort who writes Ask Dominick, an advice column for male escorts and male escort wannabes at rentboy.com, a gay escort listings site. While Dominick's column focuses on issues that gay escorts confront, STUD, it's the "Male Escort 101" course you've been looking for. "What STUD is seeking is a fantasy---one that has been fueled by cultural products like American Gigolo and HBO's Hung," says Dominick. There are no reputable agencies in southern California---or anywhere else---that book male escorts to see female clients, just as there are no websites like rentboy.com for straight male escorts. "The fact of the matter is, almost all clients for escorts are male---whether they're looking for male, female or transgender escorts." Dominick speaks from experience: When he was working as an escort in New York City, his ads stated that he was available for male or female clients. "Over three years, I went on exactly one call with a female client, an attractive older woman who seemed to be working through some intimacy issues," says Dominick, "and one call with a married couple for a cuckolding scene, which was initiated by the husband. During that same period, I averaged about five-and-a-half calls per week with men. That gives you a measure of the demand from female clients." And no demand from female clients means no escort agencies or rentboy.com-style websites---at least no legit ones---for straight male escorts. "Because there are many more men clamouring to be gigolos than there is actual demand for gigolos," adds Dominick, "shadowy scam agencies come and go, 'guaranteeing' bookings with female clients to gullible young bucks---in exchange for monthly listing fees." Another option, is listing yourself as a "sexual healer" at a new-age site like sacred---------. "That site lists male and female sexual healers, for male and female clients, for such services as coaching, tantric awakening and sensual massage. If this is a direction you are thinking about, have at it," says Dominick. "Otherwise, my advice to you is to pursue a profession with the potential to bring you into contact with a wealthy female clientele---business consultant, art handler---and be exceptionally good and loving to all the women in your life."

I'm not ashamed of the choices I've made or how I live my life, including seeing escorts. I love the company of women and I've met many wonderful, strong and self determined women in this industry who I would be proud to call friends. Shame, guilt or self loathing would involve behaving inconsistently with my sense of identity. You can only do that for so long without developing unhealthy emotional and pyschological problems. Having said that like most people here, I keep this choice private for all the reason cited. It would be hypocritical to say that I would be opposed to any of the women in my personal life becoming involved in the sex industry. At the same time I'm also not naive and I realize that participation in this industry involves unique physical and emotional health risks as well as safety risks. The sex industry is one of the few jobs you can enter with no training at all. I don't mean sex technique either, but rather basic health and safety training and how to handle "difficult customers". That has to be a concern to anyone who cares for those close to them because there are unique and serious risks in this industry. While the CERB community is a positive one in which men and women generally view each other as equals and women are treated respectfully, this is not representative of the industry as a whole. I would want anyone close to me to understand the range of conditions and clients in the industry and the associated risks. Having said that if they were considering joining the military or becoming a coal miner I would want them to consider the risks unique to those jobs as well! In general my experience is that most men are "good men". That observation seems to be confirmed by the comments of most of the women on this Board about their clients. I'm happy to hear that. However I've seen what men are capable of when sex is combined with inequitable authority, intimidation, physical strength and vulnerability. I've intervened to stop a rape in progress, fired men for sexual harassment and sexual assault in the workplace and been a juror in a trial involving the rape and physical assault of a sex worker. In addition, looking at some of the comments on other industry boards it's clear that many customers are mysoginists. Men like this will be clients or potential clients and that has to concern anyone who cares for the women in their lives. Hell, they could be friends, lovers or husbands and that concerns me too! As much as most of society sees the treatment of sex workers and women in general as separate issues, I see them as identical. The bottom line is that I would not "tell" anyone how to live their life. The more mature a person is the more confidence I have to have in their decisions. I would however encourage them to speak to women who have managed to be safe, healthy and successful in the industry. There's a limit to how much useful advice I could provide from the client side. What I can give is unconditional love and support and if anything more care and attention if this is their choice.

Someone mentioned how hygiene is linked to ymmv and it reminded me of a funny, but oh so sexy experience. I was receiving oral and ever so gradually and sensually my partner moved down my cock to my balls... then to my perineum... and eventually to my ass for some rimming. As I lay there clutching the bedsheets with an expression of bliss on my face, I actually said "I am soooooooo glad I took a good shower!!!" (Clean talk instead of talking dirty Lol) My partner gave me the sexiest look and with the slightest smile, while she held my cock in her hand and slowly ran it along her lower lip said "This... is what... your mileage may vary... feeeeeels like!"