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Go back and read my previous post on how some (many) providers make this service into a commodity. You can look at this through "rose coloured" glasses all you want, you can claim it is such a different service that normal market forces and practices don't apply, but the minute the people providing the service turn it into a commodity that argument goes out the window. For example how many providers have a disclaimer like this on their site: "This website and the information contained therein do not in any way imply sexual services. Money exchanged is for companionship only and anything beyond that is a choice made between two consenting adults." Yeah, really nice and idealistic. Then you go into the website and you see services described, Greek for $20 extra, BBBJ pay $30 more, no watersports etc etc, then it becomes clear that despite the nice "companionship only" disclaimer, what is being sold is sexual services. As much as many would like to think otherwise, that is the truth. And then there are the "half hour specials", Canada Day specials, two for ones, not a clock watcher etc. etc. The only thing missing is the flashing blue light and the "Attention K-Mart shoppers" announcement on the PA. (sorry for the dated reference but I am sure some will get it) So the SP has a choice. They can advertise "no negotiating", or they can say it when they communicate, and if the potential client tries to negotiate then you politely end the conversation and put them on the "do no see" list. The problem is again, is that some will not do that. They will argue, try and get the customer to see the error of his ways etc. Why? Because they don't want to lose the business. For lack of a better term, they want to "make the sale". And you know what, both the potential client and the provider are just doing what is human nature. There is nothing wrong with it, just a fact of life and of doing business.

I will probably get people disagreeing with me, but I have to say it. This debate comes up time and again. I realize that this service is different then many others, however many of the SP's act in a way that doesn't help the way the business is perceived. The way they advertise their services, by offering special prices, or special services, having a pricelist for services, even things like Duos for special rates makes what you are offering into a commodity. Now I don't want to get into discussions of Marx's economic theories, or discuss differentiation or fungibility but those all can apply to the service and the market and would make a very interesting discussion for those who love that stuff. However, once you are selling a commodity, many people are going to seek out value for money, and some people are going to want to negotiate. Sorry, it is a fact of life. You don't have to lower your prices, you can maintain your level of service for what you believe is appropriate compensation, but you need to be aware that some consumers are going to want to negotiate. The best you can do is politely refuse to negotiate, and if a client persists, end the communication. Many companies never have sales, never discount their products or services. They set their price and stick with it, knowing that people who really want their service will pay the price. SPs can do the same. You may lose some potential customers, but you have maintained your own standards and values. Sorry, but that is the way our market economy works, and ranting about it, is not going to change the way some people think. The best you can do is stick to your guns, and if someone gets persistent, rude, annoying, then just end the communication.

Rough Trade- Sexual Outlaws Just one of so many.

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Best of luck Sara. I am going to miss our chats at socials and in the chat room.

Hmmm I wonder who would have told you that? It was $10 the last time I looked. Your orientation when you join may be close to $200, but that also includes a session.

The membership fee is like $10 for a year so that should not even factor in to your decision. As for the prices of the massage, I would say they work out to be the same as any other spa in the city. However as a club their price is basically one price all inclusive, whereas some of the others you have a door fee, and then a second fee for services. It is a great place, IMHO the best of the spas and the best experience in the city.

First off you are right on the internet, but it is not porn, but rather cam sites where you can interact with the performer, in private or a group setting, that are IMHO the biggest competitors. No physical touch, but lots of interaction, and often more explicit than what you see in a strip club. The rise in the number of spas with MA's will also have an effect. Just look at the Silver Dollar and realize that there are 3 Spa's within a 5 minute drive, two almost in walking distance. You can go there and for under $200 have a before and after shower, in the company of a gorgeous attentdant, an hour of physical intimacy and a happy ending. Then you can go off to a bar and watch the game on the big screen. A SC for $200 is ten songs, usually less than 4 mins in length, amounts to about 40 mins in an open cubicle, with restrictions and no happy ending. The belief that dancers just dance is also a little misplaced as well. From my experience and knowledge I would say a conservative estimate is that 50% of dancers also do some other kind of sex work outside of the club. In some of the clubs, they do it in the club. Not that I want to see them disappear as I work part-time at one, but they do have a lot of competition, and the cities really want them gone.

It is distressing to read this article. I lived in Germany during the cold war, and before the fall of the wall. In those days, women from Eastern Europe could not be brought in to the west. Prostitution was quite legal, but for the most part was what we would hope it would be. Women who made the decision to be sex-workers on their own, not coerced, not forced, not trafficked. They were women who worked in their own country and had decent lives. I see the fall of the "Iron Curtain" to be a major positive event in recent history. However, it is not 100% positive as it allowed the rise of human trafficking and other forms of exploitation of the impoverished people of the former Warsaw Pact countries. It almost makes me sad that I was a NATO soldier in the Cold War.

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I am surprised how much of this discussion is focussed on people's looks. I lived in Germany for 4 years and I loved their attitude towards nudity of all types. There was a time and a place for everything, and their attitude reflected that. Topless on beaches was commonplace, and nudity on nude beaches, and mixed saunas was the norm. You would not wear a bathing suit in a European sauna, and often they were mixed. You would see all shapes, ages and sizes of both sexes and nobody batted an eye. That is except for the occasional gawking North American doing their best Beavis and Butthead head imitations "huh huh huh... tits!!!!" I have always hoped that the novelty of topless women on beaches here would wear off and we would be a bit more mature about it. Nudity is not always about sex, sometimes it is about convenience and freedom.

It is the same location, but a completely new owner, staff and point of view. It takes a while to build up clientele but it is a great club. Many lovely CERB ladies dance there. Tequila Tuesdays all summer are usually rocking as are Fridays. There is an amateur night this coming Saturday as well.

Actually most hotels will offer a day rate when they have available rooms. All you have to do is ask. I have gotten day rooms at the Marriott and the Delta. They love to rent a room out twice in 24 hours. Just say you need a place to hold a meeting or meetings. This is something that happens all the time. I think I got a King sized room with an amazing view at the Marriott for about $90.

This is not a new thread topic and in fact has been open several times. Most downtown hotels are SP friendly. The Marriott on Kent and the new Delta (old Crowne Plaza) are good because you can enter from the mall or parking underneath and never go past the front desk. As for not discussing, it has been discussed at length. I have worked in at least one of the hotels mentioned earlier in the thread, and they know who the working people are, and really don't care as long as you don't cause issues. They want the room full, not empty.

The problem with your challenge of the premise is the passage of time. As society involves so do our attitudes. The laws that were struck down for the most part have been in existence for many many years. Back when Canada was a different country than it is today. Where living together outside the bonds of marriage was looked down upon, where the Catholic church was a dominant force in Quebec, where gay marriage was illegal, where a transgendered person may have been locked up in a hospital for their aberrant behaviour etc. Those days are in the past and attitudes have changed. Modern legislators have much different viewpoints and beliefs then those of 50 years ago. If the laws being challenged were enacted in the last 5 years, then you might be right, but in this case things have changed in society's attitudes towards sexuality and relationships.

You post a poll, that you know will be controversial, in the hope that some other misguided souls will jump on your bandwagon or that the rest of us will bow down to your all-seeing wisdom. You started something you admit would be inflammatory, and then you get condescending to those who have real opinions that differ from yours, or who don't have enough "time in" as we used to say in the army. Your sophistry has no place here. I feel so sorry for people who have the misfortune to have you as a teacher. But I guess a bad example is better than no example at all. They could learn what not to be.

And furthermore this discussion obviously needs more debate. I draw your attention to this paper that may definitely prove that to a chicken there is no road.

But what about all those chickens that have no motivation to cross the road? Why can't I chose that option??? Not every chicken wants to travel you know.

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I always tip the pizza guy. They make peanuts and they remember you so you always get good delivery service. Tipping hospitality workers is always good, because they quite literally depend on tips. Remember they are paid below minimum wage because of tips. After a rugby tournament in the US they had a big party at a bar where the beer was free. (they buy so many kegs for the event and open the taps) I got there early, got my first free beer and gave the bartender $5. He looked at me, and I told him I was also a bartender. Later the crowd is 3 deep at the bar, I hold my glass up from the back, and he passes a beer over the crowd to me. People around me asked how I got that service and I just asked, "Did you tip him?" It was funny watching the lights come on on so many faces.

Oh? I stand corrected, my bad for assuming that it was a client. I misunderstood when you called yourself the provider, and then deleted his phone number and put him on a "never again" list. Strange way to refer to yourself, and behave, but hey, it is your personal life, who am I to judge? And no, I don't need to go into your posts, it would be a futile exercise, to no point.