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Close but no cigar. Unfortunately Il Re's post and thread have been removed. This was not a shot at Nicolette.

So I have to ask this question. Did you as an SP who respects your clients and their privacy get consent for what you posted about him. Did he consent to you posting this here? I just want to make sure that we don't have a double standard here in CERB, because if we did, the utility of this board for clients and providers would surely diminish.

And Jazy was the well deserved winner, although she did have some stiff competition. (and some stiff observers if I may wager a guess) hehe This place has certainly turned around from what it used to be.

So you are aware it has been bought by different folks, and that the old management is gone, but you choose to libel the new owners/management as being harassers and exploiters? I would suggest unless you have some proof of your accusations you keep your libelous musings to yourself.

There has been a complete change of management there, and if you had read some other threads about this place you would know that. It is making a change for the better, but has only been open under the new owners for less than two weeks.

I will agree that there may be a bit more to the story than meets the eye. If in fact she was caught "working" in the States without proper permission, they are way more anal about that. I travel to the US to referee sporting events, "as a volunteer". I have been given the third degree several times, and was detained and had my car completely tossed because they couldn't understand why I was not being paid. I explained to them that in the area I go, there is an absence of trained officials, and that if I don't do it, the games don't get played. I am doing it to promote my sport, which is a non-traditional sport. They have a hard time believing in altruism. However I am so well known by many of the border guards now, I rarely have a problem anymore.

Mandarin oranges Cinnamon Bread baking and believe it or not Diesel exhaust and hydraulic fluid (different memories)

Unfortunately the number of people out there (men and women) who are truly wired polyamory and don't get jealous over physical intimacy is not very large. Even in this hobby, people will say one thing and then when the reality hits can't deal with it. And that is on both sides, providers and clients. I think you have to come clean with the person at the start and be 100% up front. You don't want to hide facts and then have them found out later. But then once the relationship is established the line has to be drawn about how much they get told, or can get involved. Like any relationship, the more successful one's have no surprises and work better when you both have the same understanding and "play by the same rules". Given the nature of this business it is best to get it all out in the open at the beginning, because it only gets messier, more painful and emotional later on. If you have a partner who can deal with it, then you are lucky and it can work.

If you are in Vegas be very careful what you do. Although prostitution is legal in parts of Nevada, Clark county (where Las Vegas is) is not one of those parts. Lots of problems with LE, very expensive, clip joints and lots of B&S. The safest bet is to do your hobbying at home.

I have done it several times and never had an issue. In fact it is quite enjoyable and relaxing. If you have done your homework, and know who you are dealing with you should have no issues.

So does this mean we are going to start seeing ads for Peachy's Boot Camp?

King Joffrey

Well he asked, in general not necessarily in the role of an SP, and plenty of SP's do CIM. So I fail to see why this should be a bad topic considering some of the others on this board. I realize not all women will swallow, but there should be enough around here who do, that someone may want to answer his question. If they have never done CIM then they can't answer, but that doesn't invalidate his question. My thoughts are, the answers will vary.

There may be a change in the doctrine of condom use and the prevention of HIV. There are indications that Pope Francis "tolerates" if not supports the use of condoms to prevent the spread of disease, particularly in areas with high rates of HIV. However, there is still a lot of resistance within the Catholic hierarchy.

Hmm well four from CMJ, in no particular order- Dallyn, Bella, Misty, and Naomi. And then of course the amazing Cameron from the SP world.

Michelle (aka Melissa Fox) has retired again.

I think any benefit would be severely outweighed by the disadvantages. The ads are pretty well labelled and categorized right now. If you are unsure, ask the lady when you arrange an appointment where she works and if she is indy. Again as I have said on other threads, do a little research, use search, ask the provider. I am sure you will get all the information your require and then some.

March- Flirtatious... and I do love to flirt with disaster. :P

Amelia_MA springs to mind. She is fairly tall and has a very fair complexion.

This argument is a bit hard to follow as it is split across three threads. I have been saying since the start of this "thread that never ends", to do "real research" and quote primary sources. Your three links are from: a) a site that sells condoms, (not an unbiased source), b) About.com, not the most reliable source and c) an advice column for students at Columbia University. Of the three, the last is actually the one that is probably the most reliable. If only you had done a little bit more searching on the site before challenging someone. Read this link http://goaskalice.columbia.edu/petroleum-jelly-151-good-or-bad-lube-condoms and then re-think your post. Oil based lubes do disolve condoms, from your own source. And the problems with silicone lube is also explained if you want to actually do some further digging.

Firstly, Annessa is spot on with her statement and you did not address her concern. The fact that this is anonymous has nothing to do with it. The structure of your questions alone can be seen to influence the outcome of the poll. The fact it is anonymous makes it worse, as people with an agenda can try and influence the outcome. For example, are you sure only SP's answered? What if someone like an MA who does not offer or receive any kind of oral answered? Did you account for that in the poll? How about the fact that some SPs don't like giving a CBJ because they don't want to suck on a condom, or for other reasons? Why not ask about that? Based on the number of responses you have a very small sample size given the number of SPs on this board. It would not even be a good representative sample because you are not sure you have an accurate cross section to extrapolate the results. At best the poll could be classed as entertainment if people were not trying to interpret flawed results and use them to fuel a debate. What is scarier is that some people may be using those results and some of the other flawed and biased statements made on these threads to make a serious decision. People, do your own damn research, it is your health and your life. Don't go to Wikipedia or Ask.com or even Cosmo, check out as many primary sources as possible. The answers often vary, particularly as new research is done. Then make your own decision and stick with it. The other major issue is that there are many other practices that have as much risk, such as DATY, DATO, COF, kissing etc. Why aren't they being addressed? If I really wanted to stir the pot, why don't we put up a poll to see how many SPs do CBJ, but allow DATY or digits?

I am going to bite my tongue at this juncture, point out the first sentence in my last post and say "Google is your friend". I guess we should all try and stay within the thread topic and not get sidetr..... LOOK A SQUIRREL!!!!!!! CAN WE RIDE BIKES NOW? WHY DO THEY CALL IT A RIM JOB?

Well again a little knowledge or research goes a long way. The problem with lubes and condoms is that although water based is fairly safe to use with a condom, oil and silcone causes latex to deteriorate, which kind of defeats the purpose of the condom. Water based lubes wash off quickly which is good. While using a silicone lube you are at a greater risk of an infection because it, and any bacteria it picks up, are not as easily washed away. A water based lube with glycerin is also bad for folks prone to yeast infection.

Well I take pity on my fellow CERB-ites and only post this on one of the three threads. This argument is getting tiresome, and not just this particular time. It seems we keep going down the same path, having the same arguments over and over again. I just spent about 2 minutes with this wonderful feature we have on this site called "search" (something that some of you should seriously try using some time) and here are just four threads of many on the topic. http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=71451&highlight=transmission http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=34872&highlight=transmission http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=20951&highlight=transmission http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=16380&highlight=transmission This time though we have three active threads with the same people posting on all three of them, and rarely providing any new information and insight that is not already on this board. First someone hijacked a thread on BBFS to rant about the perils of BBBJ. Then an SP put up a poll with a set of questions that although well-meaning just made things more complicated. Believe it or not folks there is a science to writing polls to gather data properly. Then a hobbiest in attempt to clarify things posted an SP only poll with the same sort of problematic questions. The we have people cross-posting links irrelevant to the discussion on multiple threads. A serious breach of netiquette on any board. What angers me the most is that these arguments are not being made in the interest of health and safety, they are being made because some people feel they have an economic interest at stake. Case in point, an SP on here last night posting about how she felt that to keep her financial well being she had to offer BBBJ. The word being thrown around is coercion, which is pretty strong. It generally implies some sort of duress being applied. I don't think that a hobbiest choosing to see an SP who does BBBJ instead of CBJ is really duress. Particularly since the anecdotal evidence on these threads is that for the vast majority of the hobbiests it has no bearing. I am not going searching for facts, and transmission rates as someone on here has suggested. There is no need. A lot of what we do in this hobby has risks. Condoms are not 100% effective. I am not going to cite the failure rate here and have people shoot at my statistics, look it up. The point is that they break, slip off, and do not prevent all diseases, particularly herpes, warts and even HPV. (and I could add non-STI infections as well) And if you are going to look it up then Wikipedia and Ask.com may be a good place to start, but do us all a favour and try and find some primary sources. Dig deeper, and look at several sources, because there are a lot of different facts and statistics out there depending on who is presenting them. A lot of people on the internet have their own agenda. (surprise surprise) The fact of the matter is that this hobby is full of risks, and not just from STI's. The only safe way to avoid these risks is not to have sex or contact with another human at all. I don't think many of us would want to do that. How a person handles these risks, mitigates them, protects themselves and their partners is what is important. Is there a risk with BBBJ, yes there is. But there is also a demand for it, and not just from the hobbiests. I know many SP's who really don't like sucking on a latex condom. That is their choice. They know the risks. Is BBBJ the only risky thing we do in this hobby? Not by a long shot. My final word is this. Wanting to have a BBBJ or a CBJ is a personal choice. Wanting to provide either is also a personal choice. If you choose not to provide that service then live with your decision. If someone else makes a different choice it is none of your business. You can say it is coercion, but I would also say that trying to use peer-pressure on a board like this to try and convince your competition to do something different is also coercion. To the mod(s) as I have shown here we have debated this thread ad nauseum over the years, and nothing really new has been added to the mix. We now have 3 similar threads. Can we at least merge them, if you are not going to lock them?