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Met the acquaintance of this young lady. She's blonde, curvy, and Czech. Very good conversationalist, and lots and lots of body contact. She initiated all actions, didn't have to ask her anything, she just instinctively knew what to do. She apparently is from Toronto, but is mostly working here for the next little while. Check her out, or at least Czech her out. :icon_lol:

Everybody enhances their resumes.

Another girl I miss is Samira, previously of ALO, and then later of CMJ, before she retired. She was not the hottest girl around, but she was always very pleasant, and glad to see you. I used to see her mostly in various ALO locations. Any idea of what she's upto now? PM me if you need to.

I miss Cara from Linda's. I'd only seen her a few times, but they were memorable occasions. Too bad she tried to pull a stupid stunt with Linda and got herself dismissed. She then showed up at Body Basics, where I only saw her once, and then she left there too. Have not found where she went afterwards, if anywhere, or if she just simply stopped working in the business altogether?

CH, I think Touch of Euphoria is CMJ's outcall service.

Well, my original question was asking why this is happening, not if this is happening. I wouldn't have asked the question if I hadn't noticed the trend myself. Not only are providers avoiding putting lube on before the condom, they will also go so far as to wipe any pre-existing lube off before putting a condom on! Is it because they're all using silicon-based lube rather than water-based? If silicon lube is so incompatible with condoms, then why are they still being sold? I think the problem is that many SP's simply don't know what type of lube that they're using, and therefore they don't want to take a chance and just wipe it off by default. Obviously, I'm not talking about you or any of the other ladies in here, I'm sure you're all completely aware of the products that you're using, but there are many out there that don't. Well actually, the other poll showed that the clear majority (52%) of SP's are providing BBBJ's and aren't doing it because they're being pressured by someone, it's just that they like doing it, much like many clients tend to like to do DATY. It's just a fun, natural part of the activity, in their minds. 10% said that they don't provide any BBBJ's, and they're not feeling any pressure to do it either. 19% said they aren't providing BBBJ's, but are feeling a pressure from customers to do it. And then the remaining 19% are providing BBBJ's and have somehow felt pressured into providing it.

If an MA answered, then that's perfectly okay, since MA's are a type of generic service provider too. Of course, you could say that since the poll was posted in the escort section, that's quite a clue as to who is most relevant here. Besides there are plenty of Escort/MA hybrids out there nowadays too. If the MA provides FS, then this poll is quite relevant to them. So far there's been over 40 responses to the poll, as of today. That's more people than I ever expected, because I didn't even know that there were that many SP's around in Ottawa! Even if some of the responses came from other cities, it's still representative. So what's the sample size you think is statistically kosher? 100%? That's not statistics, that's just counting. I'm glad you find it entertaining, but you sure show it in a strange way. Now you're dictating to us what sources not to go to, without providing any reasons for it, or any other suggestions. One question at a time! And some of those other questions were asked before, I know that for sure, because I was the one who posted some of them. It's easy to criticize, so take your vast statistical knowledge and create your own perfect poll. You're free to do that if you like, as I said above.

Well, what's the type of lube that they use right on lubricated condoms, and so you can use the same type? Also why not make a lubricated condom that goes on both sides?

The poll is completely anonymous, no one knows who voted for what, nor whether they voted at all. There's no ulterior motive here other than finding out how many girls are feeling pressured into providing a service they don't want to, and why? Guys already know many girls provide "x service", and how relatively common this "service x" is, so it's nothing new that they're going to find out about any girls in particular.

Interesting points about condoms and lube. One thing I have noticed is that a lot of providers are absolutely paranoid about mixing lube with condoms! Most will not put lube on a penis before sliding the shield on. Some of them believe that depending on the lube, it might eat through the rubber creating breakages. Others believe that the condom can slip off if it is too lubricated on the inside. I don't know how true those beliefs are but they do contribute to the general dislike of condoms. I myself have said in the past that I'd rather have a bareback handjob than any kind of a covered blowjob.

Some of them are massage and escort, they just offer different types of sessions for what people want. Just ask them before going whether they are massage or escort, and be sure to communicate with them which service you're looking for.

I'm not sure what you're saying here. Are you saying that you'd prefer BBFS over BBBJ, since you can only contract gonorrhea through intercourse? Of course herpes can also be contracted through intercourse, and blowjobs, so two more chances of contracting that.

Exactly right Lucky, only providers should vote in here, clients should stay out of voting here, though they are free to make comments in here. Of course, there's no way to prevent a client from voting in here either, but clients need to know the results of this poll just as much as the SP's, so I trust that they will not do anything to skew the results. Clients should bypass the voting and click on the "see results" link instead.

Why would they let girls go? Aren't the girls paying them to be there?

I'd say that even if just one customer (even one who isn't a regular, and has only ever seen you once) has told you that he can't go through with an encounter with you due to the BBBJ issue, then you have been directly pressured. I'm sure everybody feels the standard supply/demand marketplace pressure, anyways, but not everyone gets the direct pressure.

The other poll is just too jumbled up with customer and service provider opinions to be useful any longer. One of the issues that has come up in the other poll is the fact that some SP's feel like they're being pressured into providing services that they would otherwise not provide. But what's not entirely clear is why they may feel this pressure? So here's yet another poll, specifically only for the ladies (and of course any TS-providers are included here too). Customers should refrain from voting here, it's also in your own best interests to let the poll remain unskewed.

Maybe one thing that can be clarified by you, is how do you feel the pressure? Is it a direct pressure from customers saying that they'll never see you again, if you don't provide it? Or is it more indirect where your customers haven't said anything, but you feel you'll lose them to other escorts who are offering it?

You asked what the difference in implications was between BBBJ & BBFS. :confused0024:

Well, let's see, let's compare the likelihood of getting pregnant from a BBBJ vs. BBFS? No, you should charge less because of supply/demand. These days, providers have no problem charging more for a BBBJ, so why shouldn't they charge less for not providing BBBJ? If you think you can make up for it with other services, then by all means charge what your client base is willing to spend.

Wow, that is unusual, I've never known any woman (or man for that matter) appreciate being touched by cold hands. Better enjoy it while the winter is still around.

There's a huge difference between BBBJ and BBFS, and I'm not even sure how these two topics are getting conflated together. The moral and physical implications of these two are worlds apart. I'm sure plenty of gents are going to try it, no doubt whatsoever. But as I said, if there is a reasonable pricing difference between BBBJ and non-BBBJ services, then many guys will probably settle for non-BBBJ just for the difference in pricing alone. So the girls can then tell these guys that: (1) they don't offer it, so they can get it from another provider; or (2) they can get it from them for a premium. Treat it like having a quick shower, vs. a long luxurious bath: both will get you equally clean.

One comment that's surprised me in this thread is the assertion from some providers that this is a recent trend that they've been feeling pressured into providing. I've been in this hobby a while, and I gotta say that it's by no means a recent trend. I've had BBBJ as far back as the early 90's, and I'm sure it was nothing new even back then. Also it was always provided without any request from me, and for no extra money: providers would just provide it when they feel comfortable with you. I think what may actually be a new trend is making this a monetized extra service. Maybe if providers decided that it's too risky and that instead of providing this service, they just reduced the cost of the service instead. That way guys can look at the services and costs involved and weigh the cost/benefit in their heads. When I look at the prices of many SP's, they are almost all the same prices, equally high, but you can't tell the level of service they provide, which might piss off customers if they expect something and don't get it. Maybe if the prices were lower on some forms of service, people would still want to go see those providers, knowing that they won't get a certain service, but that they'll also pay less because of it? I know everybody wants to be considered a Ferrari or a Lamborghini, but sometimes just being a Mercedes or a BMW is good enough?

Actually, I can't agree with that at all. If it's a choice between CBJ and an HJ, then I'll choose the HJ. I can't feel anything through a raincoat, but that's also why I prefer massage over escort.

Looked it up on Urbandictionary, couldn't find it. :confused0024: I wonder if he's actually referring to an "Italian job", which is similar to a Russian Job, except instead of putting penis between the breasts, it's put between the ass cheeks? It's kinda like Greek, but without penetration. This is what they used to call it in Montreal anyways.

I can have a good time without bbbj, though I would prefer it. I do think that if a provider wants to give bbbj only after a period of familiarity with a client, then that's fine, but there should be a discount involved with it too.