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Counseling is a two way street. Your SO wants you to go because she thinks she can change you. The question is whether she herself is willing to change herself for you, because afterall you started doing this because something wasn't right between the two of you. If she just thinks that counseling is going to find you at fault for everything and the onus being on you to change, then she may have false impressions. You should go to counseling, you might find they do come up with novel ideas to help you both through it. But your SO must be willing to take the lessons too, and not just use it as a hammer on you.

The Ontario court ruling specifically dealt with common bawdy house rules (incalls), and living off the avails rules (pimping). Specifically both these rules have been overturned. However, the rulings have been stayed meaning that the laws can still be enforced until the stay expires or is renewed. However, I'd say these laws are in convalescence, no chance that police departments (in Ontario anyways) will waste resources on enforcing these laws. Still, that doesn't mean we can be uncareful about what we say about these places.

Most definitely not, bbbj is part of gfe, always has been. Now, if you offer cbj, then perhaps you can define yourself with the "safe gfe" term. However, going back to over-used, under-defined terms, has anyone settled on what pse means either? My assumption for that meant it includes everything in gfe, plus anything else that you see in porn movies like facials, fs, etc.

Although some people may say it sounds crass to break down GFE as just a series of physical acts like daty, bbbj, etc., and it's the emotional intimacy aspects that are more important. In reality, the physical actions are the primary features, while the emotional intimacy is a secondary feature that emerges out as a result of those actions. Think about what all of these actions represent. They represent a level of intimacy between SP and client where they implicitly trust each other so much that they can even draw each other into their own mouths! The mouth is one of the most personal areas of any person to share with another person. So if you can't kiss, or if you can't do daty or bbbj, then you really don't trust each other enough to have a real emotional intimacy with each other, and it just becomes an acting job. Therefore, True GFE should always be a YMMV possibility between client and SP. It can't be something that is pre-negotiated and agreed to ahead of time, it usually happens on the spur of the moment.

Ouch, that does sound like a bunch of guys that are way too picky. But I can also come up with some simple explanations for why they may be like that. I've run into situations where the description on the phone didn't match the description that showed up in front of me. Usually the weight is where the major discrepancies occur. It's obvious that there is a fudge factor employed by most SP's when describing their weights. I think even slim girls reduce their weights by 10% on the description. But some other girls (usually larger girls) might use a 20% fudge factor. So it might be that a large girl describes herself with the same weight as a slim girl, due to usage of different fudge factors. So maybe these guys have gotten caught in this trap before and now they are very pedantic about the exact descriptions, where various other body measurements are used to verify the accuracy of the weight. Just my theory, anyways.

This I do agree with, this term GFE has gotten so diluted that it's not possible to hold a conversation using this term and have everybody on the same page anymore. The only way to get a true understanding is to ask the SP. However, this brings us to another problem, when you do ask this question on the phone to an SP, they often clam up, I don't know maybe thinking that it's the LE on the line setting a trap for them. I don't think a guy should just make an appointment with an SP in order to go communicate with her face-to-face, just to find out that her definition is not the same as his. What's the solution to this inability to communicate on the phone about it? Is this even an issue to be worried about in Canada with current laws changing as they are, and all?

Then I guess it's time for the two of us to stop geeking out on the true meaning of rockabilly and burlesque, and just accept it as it is. :confused0024:

Have they adopted Rockabilly music as the signature music of modern burlesque? Is that what it is? Original burlesque would've used a 1920's style music, which might not be too accessible to modern audiences, but rockabilly certainly would be.

That's sounds too much like marriage to me, the lying there like a lump part, that is. Get that treatment from your stale old wife, and then pay to get the same treatment from your fresh young SP. :prout:

Whoa! Close that Penthouse Forum, it's way too much here. :)

How about a striptease, going from fully dressed to less so? In properly ordered stages, of course.

It was around in the 90's as well, but they just wouldn't advertise it anymore. That was when the peek of the worries about the "common bawdy house" laws were. You just had to ask them directly on the phone. Yup, Charlie's Angels. They had quite the monopoly going in this town at that time. But strangely, even with the monopoly, their prices were much cheaper than the prices are now, even when accounting for inflation.

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:confused0024: I think I might be a little old then, because to me Rockabilly means a type of music.

I'm confused, what have rockabilly and burlesque got to do with one another?

Incalls have been around for at least 20 years (when I started the hobby), and likely it was around much, much before that. Everything that is old, is new again.

She doesn't actually post the ads herself, she has a trusted client do it for her. Sometimes they are not in sync with each other.

No clue, haven't been there in ages.

Here in town, at the old Cabaret Canada (now I guess it's Diamonds), there used to be a female bartender who used to do CR dances. It took me by surprise, one day I went upto the bar to get a drink, and the bartender wasn't around. So I looked around and saw her naked and grinding another customer in the CR. When she was done, I asked her, "you dance too?". She said that she was normally a dancer there, but she got drunk once, and they suspended her dancing privileges, but they let her stay on to tend bar. I guess that's one way around your suspension. :)

No-no, my buddy found her attitude offensive too, in fact he mentioned it both times that we saw her. It's more likely that I'm under-reacting, rather than you two are overreacting. I tend to be pretty slow at noticing offenses. I only took her for one dance, so I may not have been all that excited by her either.

Well, considering I just found out about this feature this week myself, I think a lot of people don't know about it yet. It might take a few weeks before it's widely disseminated enough. This sounds like the same girl I saw months ago at Taboo, and then earlier in the week at Silver Dollar. My buddy said she had an attitude too. She was okay with me (certainly not the attitude you got), but I wouldn't say I found her overly warm either. It's a problem that young good-looking girls, especially have.

We'll have to ask Jack Layton to run on this platform next election. :)

I don't know about getting a "$20 uncovered standard rate", that may have been something available on the street. But I do remember when average rates in Ottawa were around $100 for everyone. Additional Comments:

Yup, there's a thread on Lamora already. At Body Basics, they have Lena and other girls.

The first MP I ever went to, I didn't even know I was at an MP. I had some back problems, so I decided to try massage. I heard there could be more available than just a great backrub, but at the first place I went to, I didn't get anything more. So I was puzzled and thought that maybe I was at one of those "legitimate" places. Then I asked on one of these early forums, I think it was on Lyla's List (if anybody remembers that place), whether they knew a place that was more relaxation than therapeutic. The place I just went to was on that list, and it puzzled me. So later, I found out that I had sent out all of the wrong signals, I kept my shorts on, etc., etc. So when I say, keeping your shorts on is going to be bad for you, I really meant it, from experience. :sm185: