Annessa

SA, I think you need to realize that despite Suri's choice in agency some other new ladies may come across this thread looking for answers as to which path to take. In this case, having first-hand dancers giving their opinions on their life experiences in the real world of being a dancer (from the other side of the stage) and SPs giving their opinions on their side of the story....you should not be shutting anyone's opinions out if they have first-hand experience of what its like to a lady in either of these shoes. The purpose of this thread may not be to help Suri anymore but to put out there all the aspects of these sugested jobs for any other gal who may come accross this thread in search for answers. so we can all bicker back and forth...or we can let our opinions and experiences help some ladies make the choice thats right for them after reading all this. I will say right off the batt, that the first will go nowhere. Opinions based on life experience shouldnt be viewed as attacks, but you need to acknowledge the opinions of those who have obviously "been there". personally I find the best advice comes from someone who has lived it

theres some some confusion here as to the topics addressed. I see what you mean Angela, that this thread was created and advertised by some members of the group, but behind the scenes many ladies have been judged for having multiple partners in a single session. its interesting because as dumpy and others said, our business of what we do as working ladies should not define us. everyone on here has different fantasies....some clients want to be flogged while being screamed at humiliating phrases......some are into bondage....some straight men want to have it taken up the rear by an SP in a strap-on....some men want to be with more than one women in the same hour......and many have and have advertised looking for it. has any judgment been passed? no however...when a lady agrees to be with multiple men at the same time or seeks out multiple men for a single session its not accepted or deemed demeaning?...even if shes in control of the situation and selective of those she allows in her event? perhaps some may agree to disagree but this will always be the double standard....the only plus is, as SPs, we can control who we see and thus weed out those who think we need to be "saved" from a "misguided life" of what we choose to do. My opinion is that if a client feels its his right to control what you do outside of your's and his time together....he is not a client worth keeping....not because of the business you might loose, but because of the self esteem potentially lost having someone thinking you can't make decisions for yourself. I kinda steer clear of the term "GB"...poly suits it way better. GBs tend to resonate with acts of many men taking over a sole lady or ladies in a demeaning non-willing manner. Group-sex on the clock is not the same. picture it as going on a call...sipping wine with a few gents around a table at a private call and getting to know each other...and then having everyone respect your restrictions, everyone else's pace, and other's spaceand time. yes bit of a rant but as a word of advice, any Hobbiest who claims he knows whats best for his SP and voices so without her asking for an opinion from them will most likely loose his hard-earned favoritism. When someone tries to steer me from what I want to do based on what they think I'm "good enough" for, it makes me wonder if they think they are preying on the weak...or appreciating someone's love for their art. and I would always hope for the latter....but there are those odd few who want to hear that you've come from a broken home, were abused as a child and turned to sex-work in an act of monetary desperation. hopefully some of the knights in shining armor will realize that none of those apply to some and will start realizing the gifts they have in front of them...not for the victims they feel they need to "save" but for the strong women that they are....capable of making whatever choices they want.....even if they, the client, cant relate

shorter (in time....not height! lol) than most gatherings but still a very good crowd of old faces and new yesterday! due to some ride issues, a couple ladies couldn't make it but got the chance to meet the lovely Katedot....who is a very articulate lady with good looks to boot and a very fun personality! was very surprised to see some faces from the past and very happy to meet some newcomers to cerb and the group alike! i only wish we all didn't have such tight schedules afterwards! this was probably my only experience of seeing that sometimes being fashionably late can work against some gents when it comes to the ladies that need to fly off!...aside from that, very beneficial lunch yesterday aft...i recommend the maple salmon to anyone who checks out the heart and crown! mmmm! thanks guys!! xo dumpy: next time we will all stand up!! LOL...mind you, couldn't have been worse that the group I thought was us at the previous meeting!! haha remember that? I hovered around a group of 8 gray-haired gents playing pool until 3 ladies in sweat-gear joined them and I figured it wasn't our reservation! lmfao

couldn't agree more T.P. :-) Also meeting people in person is great to put a face to a Cerb-handle! mind you physical appearance is not usually an issue for most of us gals...but proper etiquette definitely is. That being said, make sure you're all on your best behavior tomorrow boys! lol...(half) joking ;)

obviously I favor the more blunt words but I agree as always with Erin, I've known many dancers and almost became one in my more fit days until I learned first hand of the dog-eat-dog-world of being one....and that class and poise got you nowhere when competition arose in th SC scene. being an SP gives you the control to see who you want to see, trust your gut and follow through and be YOURSELF....not a lady in line whos paid a house fee competing with a dozen other catty ladies who most of the times are EXPECTED to offer extra mileage when they leave the club. aside from the highjacked notions, I know you have recently joined PK. Good for you in your self-words and confidence in your decision. only advice I can give towards agencies being now indi is: 1. make you restrictions clear and never abide to acts or locations that make you uncomfortable. know that you have the right to say no...even at the last minute. always be in control. 2. always report bad or disrespectful clients to your agency and if you dont wish to see them again, have your agency respect your wishes. 3. plans change, lives change direction etc.....if you should break ties with your agency there should be no drama or threats. you are your own person. (this is not a comment towards PK....just a comment that has been raised lately that no SP can break ties without drama)....if you choose to go indi, your agency should support your decision. 4. Make sure you schedule and wages are clear. 5. Keep your personal info to yourself, no contracts or signatures are required. You are entitled to keep your home address private from drivers and have a meeting point closeby. if this request is not respected it is potential fuel for fire at a later date should things get messy (once again not my feelings towards PK, just from my own experience its best to keep "you" to yourself. best of luck Suri! xoxo

very well said Pete. I often regard new clients wanting more info from our previous clients as a very off move. Guys, Think back to when we were in highschool or college.... your buddy or even acquaintance dated a girl a while back and you think you have a chance coz shes single now. so do you go to the gal and ask her out? (<...preferable move) OR do you go to her ex and ask her how good she was in bed or how much it might cost him to take her out on a date etc? You will be regarded much more highly if you erase the "dude-talk" in between and open up communication with you and your potential SP. Trust me, she'll love you for it and answer any questions you need to know (if brought about appropriately).....the same perception may not come about if she hears you need to ask another before asking her upfront....YMMV is very sacred to us in this biz

wow this is new to me! if its back up, I'm late on the commentary, but if its still not then CK hit the nail with the hammer saying there are WAY worse Blogs out there needing to be shut down! This is complete BS and Cks blogs keep the proper girls working and keep the geneal client public from getting ripped off. There are WAY bigger fish to fry out there. I'm saddened that this has happened to CKs blog....REALLY saddened.......no, partially LIVID :(

just want to add to those who have been wary of some gals attending this event and other socials as I have dealt with this week and before and many other gals have as well: .... these socials as dumpy described are an awesome chance to meet the ladies and other members on the boards. It is a public gathering so no sex is expected (or even after). As a well known SP on the boards amongst other great ladies, many of us dont have opportunities like this to socialize with each other. and many members (interested in poly-events or not) have the opportunity to meet first hand the ladies on the boards....something that many ladies like myself charge social fees for when its a one-on-one meeting. a proper business is sometimes 50% networking....us gals and gents see this as no different, but it would be great if some judgement would cease. I asked for clarification on the timeframe because our last "lunch" was from 4-7pm. This current one was more like the previous....a prior to noon endeavor. As said in the group main-page some time ago tho, if some cannot stomach the socializing of said group, please dont pass judgement, as most socials I've been to are strictly a networking opportunity. snacks and drinks and shaking hands and maybe a round of pool. That being said I look forward to the social on Thursday. My past experiences with these socials have been nothing but innocent mingling and then hanging out after with choice folk at a bar of choice if we're all getting along...some go home, some stay, but hopefully everyone realizes that this group is far from disrespecting the choice of the ladies involved. end rant. see you thursday folks, xo

just want to doublecheck the time...is it at noon?

Thanks for sharing your experience with such a positive reflection. I know some wouldnt be as quick to laugh off a week of disappointment :-( Truly unfortunate your week in Ottawa did not bring you any luck and you had to go home unsatisfied. some good points you raised however were that sometimes investing in an SP takes more time than most think. A good idea in the future would be to message a few potentials the week before your visit. I often get many emails from gents who know they will be in town in a couple weeks and would liek to know if my schedule fits their visit plan. if they dont respond, then you have all the time in the word to se up your next batch of hopefuls doing something like this might help you secure something ahead of time as some girls book their weeks in advance. as for CL girls, definitely not the place to go if you are new to the hobby....as you will most likely get some girls who are new themselves. Mind you I (and some other ladies) post on CL as well but I think the ratio of cerb gals on CL to no-shows on CL are 1:10. I nodd my head to you that your experience has not left you with a bitter note to the hobby and you have looked at your experience in a positive note...however I really do wish the best of luck next time you visit. There are some real gems in this industry and hopefully you land one next time that will more than make up for this week for you :-) xo

oh definitely inform the agency! possibly even inform them that this will be the last time you book with them as a client.....hopefully this will make them realize that more happier customers who come back because of proper representing (as opposed to many tricked and lied to ones who stop using them) will bring them better business

aw thanks gents. funny I never thought for a second that potential clients would be questioning the validity of my pics because of the asian-factor. I guess I always forget about the asian part of me, lol. its something that just never crossed my mind. The only time I get angry however is really when the client refuses to see me unless I send more pics. it makes me feel like someone is calling me a liar and trying to call me on it. a situation like that always makes me feel that even if I was to prove them wrong and they would see me, that I wouldnt want to see them I take back the use of the word john btw. really I should have said "client". somehow I didnt think it would cause such a stir and I didnt mean it in a negative way. lets move on.

ah yes.....also another no-no to a valid member or any girl for that matter is asking for a face exchange over the net. I tell potential clients that my face is my best feature and that I dont share face-pics for obvious reasons. also with SP-hatred blogs floating around you never know who is on the receiving end of that email. we all have to be careful guys, please respect that

exactly, as for tattoos, myself and many ladies airbrush them out for privacy reasons....sure, we're not showing our faces but people will definitely recognize our tattoos...sometimes they may not be the ppl we wish to have recognized them. yanno? I for one have noted under the pics that have tattoos removed saying something to the like of "some tattoos edited out for privacy reasons", so unless I'm covered from head to toe in them, no one should be taken back

in any case, he should also inform her that her agency has mis-represented her to him and give her a clue as to what a slack job her agency is doing. girls in this position are better off on their own

Well put, I have to comment on the tip-factor here, while for some it may seem over the top, if you stay after your scheduled time it is a very well-received notion for us ladies to receive a tip for your overstaying....it just a nice gesture. trust me, it is something the ladies will give u the nod for should the nod/donation caliber be respected results in my (brief) time of not accepting tips or general donations for more-than-donation time often result (no matter how kind and loyal the client is) in resentment between an SP and her client eventually....the best way to avoid resentment is abiding by the rules from the get-go

know the poses that accentuate girls' figures......the "lean-back" the "rounded ass in the air", the squished "forced cleavage" etc etc etc. also read her details and description on her ads on here, if shes not what she says she is, report it to the mod or Cowboy Kenny. I still am amazed that johns claimed to have been snookered by "reputable providers'" pics on cerb. from what I know, that is not tolerated on this site if these SPs are deceiving you, they are not reputable. and if your debate is worthy enough, you would have brought it up with CK or mod by now about false pictures etc.....but many will argue that it is not the "tantalizing" pictures you should be gauging your price or involvement on....but your research on the girl, her recos and her abilities. yes some ladies have the unfortunate insecurity on here to post fake pics. however most that do are generally called out, so to question a gal as to the reality of her pics can often come across as an insult.....and don't be surprised if you dont receive a response.....or more pics, lol as for the dancers being the solution to this problem.....dont get me wrong, I appreciate many and all dancers, but to expect extra millage after an "approved" dance from all of them is pretty shovanistic. yes, you like what you see....doesn't mean she thinks you're worthy enough to get it :-)

strokes LazeyGeorge's hair and says "there there my child"...it'll all b over soon ;-)

if I cant sleep (which happens often as I'm practically an insomniac)..... if I have a call that leaves me with spank-bank material..... so probably14 times a week...? ;-)

I'm reading this one currently. I appreciate how this autobiography is approached out of fascination of the industry....dispersing the stereotypes of desperate women with nowhere to turn but.... in this book the writer takes you from mile to wild in her climb up the ladder of a sex-worker's dealings. heres a mild review. its a fun read, not too much of a plot, but really, do we have a plot to our supposed 5-year plan in this industry? ...............- Indecent: How I Make It and Fake It as a Girl for Hire by Sarah Katherine Lewis[/url] Sarah Katherine Lewis (Author) ? Visit Amazon's Sarah Katherine Lewis Page Find all the books, read about the author, and more. See search results for this author Are you an author? Learn about Author Central (Author) Product Description Indecent is not your average I-stripped-my-way-through-college memoir. Sarah Katherine Lewis is a veteran of the sex industry who started small ? doing lingerie modeling and striptease shows ? but for reasons including the desire to earn more money and curiosity about other types of sex work, she moved into porn, and ultimately into illegal work. Lewis is smart, self-aware, and bitingly funny. Where other writers in this genre have generally shielded themselves from letting things get too bad or go too far, Lewis comes face-to-face with the unimaginable. Her experiences with customers, whose fetishes and behaviors range from obscene to bizarre to twisted, are often recounted with outrageous and caustic humor. Lewis is a brilliant observer of human nature and has a read on her employers and coworkers that lends unique insight into the seedy underground of the more hardcore sex industry. Lewis is a sex worker by choice. She neither condemns nor condones the work, though she depicts her experiences with a gallows humor that reveals the complexity of professional adult sex work. Indecent offers readers an insider's account of hard-earned lessons and acute insight gained from over a decade in the trenches of one of America's most insidious and lucrative industries.

Nothing makes me more livid than when someone asks me if my pics are actually me or if i can send them more pics because they "just want to make sure" I feel like telling them how much money I've dropped on my photographers in toronto and SanFran and if they really need more pics (coz they're still not convinced) to go and stick something up their rear (in less polite words of course). I dont, I just usually dont respond.....they're probably just collecting the pics anyway I had a gent a couple months ago who browsed all my pics on here but wouldn't confirm his outcall booking until I sent him a cell-phone cam pic of myself taken at that very moment to confirm it was me. I answered "lol, your loss" as an indi on cerb, like many well-reputable ladies I have a lot to lose posting fake pics. Men...do your homework as my reviews state my pics are accurate.......guys who need you to lead them by the hand to all that happily-offered feedback should be given the ruler-slap on the wrist to do their homework.

I have heard many girls in situations like angelas....most of the time their feeling was not so much that the guy wanted to go with it (despite) because he was hot-on-the-spot, but more so because the girl was sent not knowing what the arrangement was by a faulty agent....and he felt for her, she was still beautiful, just not what he had plainly asked from the agency. obviously many girls in agency situations are simply told their call-schedule.....not what was pre-arranged on the phone. I personally have been led to dates asking for an ethnic but not asian....which I can pull off if given notice...however, if not, its hard to hide that I'm half asian....my client asks what my mix is on the call and I (not knowing the agreement) say I'm half asian.....there is no anger towards me, just to the agency. however as you said mod, everyone feels "had"...me, the client.....what do we all do tho? I will say as a sidenot my client went through with the call and now emails me thanking him for the Benneton-Add experience....and now is hooked on half-breeds, lol My opinion: I dont think it is the job of the client to send an unexpected treasure away in a situation like this....if, that is, she is attractive to him regardless of his requests....in the end, its not her fault and he is still attracted to her, he is doing no wrong in accepting the date. who knows, perhaps his selection may change after such an accidental and unextected encounter of a different selection. however the true fault is on the agency and should be reported as such as a poor communication or B&S towards the angency. provided the SP sent over is time-worthy, just not what the client had in mind, i dont think anyone should be sent away unless he absolutely cannot stand the company he's in....As I would hope that a proper agency would only hire ladies that would make them money (attractive, personable, company-worthy etc etc)...not poor reputations. (coles notes to my rant: bait and switch is just as its abreviation spells out...BS. however I dont think the gals should have to take the brunt for it and I beleve clients who go ahead with the date should be given a nod if they acknowledge it as the agency's fault...not the girls'...and review it as such. going ahead with the date [provided the gal is not butt-ugly] doesnt mean that they're selling out to the false advertisement.....it just means in most cases that they have a heart for the girls who were stuck in the middle....[and yes, may not want to seek out last minute another option, really tho, I dont blame them]) my late night two cents......I really hope bait and switch ceases, but hopefully girls will eventually clue in to how they are being advertised and learn that the only person who is going to advertise them best is themselves

it could have been an amazing experience but unfortunately you were a no-show this morning so you've entered my blacklisted category. ah well

I had this with one client...he'd leave and I would almost be astounded how much time was left on the clock....and that he had left quickly and always left the proper donation untouched (as I thought the reason he left so fast was because he might had deducted it, lol) and the second time it happened I asked him what the rush was, he said soething to the effect of "I rush into things like this without my head...and it feels awesome and you're amazing but once I have my release I cant help but fee there are a couple things nagging in the back of my hed while I'm just laying back and conversing. things I should be doing on my day off...its fills my head and I have a hard time focusing around my lovely company while i th back of my head I'm making myself feel guilty because I shold be getting around to other things" totally understandable and totally honest, mind you this guys was what I would describe as one of the busiest businessmen I knew. and I would never want to be the reason he felt stressed about his daily duties.

Why thank you, sweetie ;-) xoxo