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Definitely two different girls. I've seen the one you posted and it's not Lexy.

She is sweet, attractive and attentive. You can't go wrong with her.

That is an awesome development. It certainly helps to see if the SP is attractive facially without any awkward surprises, if that's important to you. It will also help get away from the excessive photo shopping.

For me it is definitely the personality. I'm not big into the CR, but if the right dancer comes along (read that as nice, a bit chatty and not in a rush), I might surprise even myself by going to the CR just because she's just so darn nice. Mileage may factor in after 3 or 4 songs, but it is all about her attitude. This brings to mind a dancer in Toronto several years ago. She was a bit heavy for my tastes, but I noticed her going around to table after table and not staying long (30 to 45 seconds) and then moving along. Finally, she approached me. Basically, she comes up and says, "Hi, you want a dance?" I'm like, um, no thanks. And she comes back with, "well, what the fuck are you doing here!!!" Suddenly, I realized why she just kept going from table to table. Personality is everything in the biz. Looks rate quite high too, but everyone becomes better looking if they're nice and pleasant to talk with.

She keeps changing her name in the BP ads. Make of that what you will.

But that is exactly the point. You compensated for it. No one has ever said that you must "grit your teeth" it is only about a fair exchange. You have trouble seeing the point because, obviously, you are fair and reasonable in your dealings and it's difficult to imagine otherwise.

I think some posters see the world in black and white, when the reality is there are a myriad of colours. Some say, basically, NEVER see any providers other than those on CERB. If you do, you take your chances. I feel badly for those other SP's who are also trying to pay their bills, etc., and I think it's in bad taste to even try to restrict whom we, as hobbyists, should or should not see purely on the premise that CERB SP's good, any others, BAD! Some people are okay with spending thousands and letting things flow and if that is what YOU like, then enjoy. But, sorry, not everyone has that advantage. Others do, in fact, seek out certain specific services. To call those people somehow inferior, rude, insensitive, off the mark or whatever is certainly disrespectful and narrow minded. When those that do seek out and require specific services, it is discussed and agreed upon by both parties. YMMV cannot be used as an "excuse" for non-delivery of service. Yes, yes, there are always exceptions, but generally speaking, if the individual paying the freight is clean, there is no reason to balk unless the service was never intended to be delivered. That is breach of contract in anyone's world. Yes, once before the judge, the fact that the hobbyist had a penis that's 10 inches by 5 inches could be reason enough under the law for the refusal of greek. But, again, generally speaking, there is no good reason to refuse. I won't get into the possible remedies as I will leave that for others to discuss. Cheers!

Well said my friend! It is always buyer beware, but this site isn't the only approach to take. Nothing ventured, nothing gained, but there are pitfalls. It all depends on where one's interests lie. Is it safety? Is it not having any expectations? Or is it putting up the cash for a perceived end result? Nothwithstanding YMMV, I would think that walking in with nothing in mind is a bit naive. Surely, there is some thought as to what you'd want, otherwise, why bother. And perhaps not. To each their own. Personally, I have expectations. I convey that and there is agreement. Once sealed, I expect the 'contract' to be fulfilled. And before I jumped all over, once again, I am a nice guy. I don't hold a gun to the SP's children's heads, nor do I make the SP dance while holding the cash over their heads. It's really simple. Don't agree to something you have no intention of providing. Is it a contract? I would think so. I have texts or emails proving that the SP agreed. If things change, then the contract is broken. Of course, that is my opinion.

That's what the political Senators said not too long ago. Look at them now.

No, not naive at all. You raise valid points, but within a very small range of experiences out there. It's not only about the guy with bad teeth that doesn't get DFK (and I'm pretty sure he won't be bitter as he probably expected that, likely just disappointed as he's ever hopeful). It's also about those SP's that really are only out for money and to get rid of you as fast as they can. It's about those that use YMMV as a ploy to back out of agreed services that were never intended to be provided. It's about those that agree to an hour of their time and once the first shot is fired, it's bye-bye buddy. Or even worse, it's about those that take the money and then suddenly, unexpectedly, there's a knock at the door with the accompanying yelp of, "oh, no, it's my boyfriend! You have to leave out the other door!" So, while you are absolutely not being naive in reference to "any honest SP", the world is not all sugar and spice and everything nice. What would you do with the knock at the door and your money paid? Is expecting something to be returned being bitter? Is losing a good chunk of your disposable income not something to get angry about? Yup, just move on. What I'm saying is that there are varying degrees of interaction and expectations. The "contract" as stipulated is not always honoured. There have been a lot of thoughtful and reasoned responses on both sides of the equation. I'm sure the SP side has enough stories about sugar and spice not being nice to make us cringe. I am not an SP, so I only have experience from the side of the hobbyist. Btw...I have always only had nice things said about me by the well known SP's, so don't think I'm just hamming it up cuz I'm angry and bitter.

That is well said and very humorous. Thanks for the chuckle.

Wow! Everyone is making it sound like some big argument ensues and the SP only succumes because she needs to feed her hungry children. The truth of the matter is that is just doesn't come up. I make the queries, ask the necessary questions, get the necessary agreement and I arrive. We carry out the task at hand and at the end I provide the agreed upon tribute. Simple, smooth, no issues. Please don't turn this into something that the United Nations and UNICEF have to get involved with. And just so there is no misunderstanding, I'm referring to well-establish SP's, whether it be indepenent or via an agency. It is not uncommon. Obviously, if you hand it over when you arrive, no SP will argue the point. Spin it whichever way you like, but it's not at all sinister, evil or demented. Yes, I check and if an SP indicates the money is required up front, I move along. Actually, when the insistance of an envelop is included, I roll my eyes too. Anyway, there are some out here that require it up front and as I've continually indicated, that's all well and good. I don't agree with it and I recommend that others stand up and do the same. If you don't agree with me, that is your right and privilege, but please do not imply that I treat anyone with less than respect. You may, in fact, be stunned, but that is your issue. You know a few SP's on here who all carry the same whip and tone. You simply know not of what you speak. My voice carries weight as I have been present during those times that money is not requested nor given at the get go, with no starving children to be seen. As with any opinion, a contrary view is often seen as a dangerous game, but only those willing to push through actually initiate change. Have a good night one and all.

Fair enough, Cleo. But to put this in perspective, you are one SP and I am recounting my experiences with many SP's. There are actually a great many that DO NOT require payment up front and the hobbyists should find those and deal strictly with those SP's as it is so much more enjoyable in mindset, to me, to keep money out of the picture until the end (unless they are well respected SP's, such as yourself and others out here).

Yes, Cat, yes! Provide what you say (well, not you specifically) and there is no issue!!! That's all I'm saying. You, and others, want payment up front, that's fine. I won't do it. And I'm suggesting that the other hobbyists out there do the same. It doesn't change your policy, nor should it. And I am NOT suggesting you change what you do and how you do it. It is a free country and we all get to choose how we go about our business. So, there is no argument.

It is most certainly not power tripping. Why is it that as soon as one has a differing viewpoint it's power tripping, lack of respect, intent to rip off. There is the other side, that the SP is scamming and offering services she has no intention of fulfilling. It does work both ways. I have paid after with indepdents and also with several of the local agencies. I have never had the impression that the SP felt slighted, demeaned, under my thumb or otherwise. You have your approach and that's fine, but to start insulting, demeaning me and name calling is a little over the top. It just gets back to what I was saying, guys are being fooled into thinking paying up front is necesary. It really is not, you just have find those with the right attitude. It's like anything else in this hobby: you choose who you see as the hobbyist and the SP does the same. The rules that are acceptible are up to the individual--on both sides--and demeaning one for their viewpoint is not constructive.

Exactly! You do not get the bill until the service is complete. However, with most things, there is a warranty. With this nature of business, there is only the individual to provide or not as the whim strikes, and as pointed out previously by Fortunateone, with no recourse. But, again, I'd like to emphasize that I am not painting every SP with the same brush. I am stating my viewpoint and my experiences.

I certainly beg to differ. In my experience, the SP's that are relaxed, fun and for real, do not ask for money up front. I've NEVER had an issue about services and/or time discussed and committed to and I've always had a great time. In my experience, the only time I've had trouble with SP's, as far as services and/or time committed, has been when I've paid up front. Of course SP's have a vested interested in having the money up front. I am just relating my own experience. That is the only expectation this thread can expect...personal experience. Now, if they want money right away, I leave. My experience has taught me that much. Guys, do what YOU want and what you are comfortable with, not what you are being TOLD to do by those with vested interest. Of course, this is like anything, it DOES NOT equate to every SP that has ever walked the earth. Just MY OWN experience (and those of a few others). Cheers!

That is always an unfortunate situation. Most SP's are upfront and you can believe that YMMV comes into play. Others use it a hook/excuse...as in yes, I do .... But, then they make up some excuse to not provide a service they said they did, but never intended to provide. The best approach is to verify once you arrive and NEVER pay up front. That is the only real incentive that you can provide. If the SP knows you are not paying upfront, she will 1) ensure she is honest, 2) provide what she says she will. We all know if we haven't washed in a week that an SP will be reluctant to do what she said she would. So, we have to be honest with ourselves too. I never pay up front and if there is ever an issue, I still pay what's expected and, as other's have suggested, I just don't return. But believe me guys, you'd be amazed at how not paying up front changes the dynamic most of the time. It's too bad that so many have been fooled into thinking that paying in advance is the "norm" as it is not nor is it to your advantage.

Or, more likely, the SP thinks you are mentioning this request in order to get a discount. As Emily J first indicated, perhaps you should lay out that you would be providing regular rates before mentioning your request. Good luck.

Really nice review. Thanks! I've tried to connect with Betty several times, but the timing has always been off. Based on what you're saying, perhaps having to wait is actually working in my favour.

I'm not an MA kind of guy, but given my questions to others and my curiousity, I went to see Sara. She is many things: cute, sweet, attractive, kick-ass body, great breasts and a great technique. I saw her late on Monday and apparently I was the first to show up. Perhaps everyone is too shy to side-step Lily and while I have not had the pleasure of seeing Lily, she has enough clients that is not an issue with her (Lily's words). So, if you are into MA's and want a great girl, check her out. I was her first solo client so I may have had special treatment, but I believe she will be the same with most everyone...she is just that sweet type of girl. btw...I have seen one other very popular MA and I would only go see Sara.

Well, I'm sure glad I kept trying...apparently there were internet issues. I saw Layah (and yes, she was Dominique) and what a treat. She is very small, but well toned, has a great body, is cute and friendly. She loves to kiss and I love that too! Her BBBJ was great and she is very tight. A little difficult to slide into, but she became very wet once there. CIM/SW was great (she was very clear upfront that it's YMMV based on the person and the moment). Unfortunately, I only booked a HH since I wasn't sure of her. Next time, it's longer for sure! She's in a small low end building, but it's right in the middle of a residential neighbourhood and seemed to be just a normal spot with no issues. She's in a bachelor apartment and it's very clean. She is a smoker, but has an air purifier and I didn't notice any odour (but I'm not really sensative to that). She is very reasonable and worth the trip.

Yes, she looks dreamy. I've been trying to set up a time, but she never seems to answer PM's. She's hot enough that I will keep trying!

\ First, I actually indicated that she be given another, well policed, chance and no mercy if she messes up again. But, I just want to point out the she is not "new" and she did "know better". She was contacted by Cowboy Kenny on the fake pix on more than one occassion and she would take them down for a time and then re post after a while. This is how I got caught. Others told her directly and in person that she is not the girl in the pix. Also, I don't feel her apology was that heart-felt as she is still making excuses for posting fake pix (ie. they just showed outfits I have). But, words are cheap. So, that's why I want give her a chance to speak with actions and if she fails, then show no mercy.

Well, I once did go to visit Nicole, based on the posted pictures. Imagine my disappointment, surprise and discomfort when she opened the door. I do not like to be disrespectful, so it was very awkward and difficult for me to beg off and leave. There are two sides to every story and my side would explain why she would have been suspended. Having said that, I would have to agree that everyone deserves a second chance. I only wrote the above because I also believe that if it is given and she abuses that second chance, she should be swiftly and permanently banned. So, hopefully she proves us right. Good luck Nicole.