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Well, to be blunt, they are there because of the exchange that you do. But then, so are you. You wouldn't be there if it wasn't for the exchange, in other words this is a mutually beneficial arrangement. There is nothing wrong with mutually beneficial arrangements between consenting adults. Most sps do this because they are people who are able to be morally open minded. They wouldn't last long if they are judgmental, or if they were self judgmental for their choices. Many clients are also morally openminded, and non judgmental. It is possible to share time with people that are friendly, fun and seemingly intimate, but are really only sharing conversation in a nonthreatening environment. This is a good thing, and will benefit you in your everyday life. Take and enjoy the experiences, and the sharing, and don't try to put a label on it. I assure you that the majority of sps do not feel taken advantage of in these mutually beneficial arrangements, they will only feel that way if something changes in the agreed upon exchange.

(this was directed to post # 51, btw, written and posted after 52 showed up lol) well, in reality the risk when you always do incalls has always been exactly the same sort of risk as c36 is introducing. If you were found in a bawdy house, that's when charges can be laid, names can be named, etc. That has always been the case, and that in effect is no difference from being in the incall now or being found to be paying an sp in the future. What i have a hard time following is why people seem to think that the enforcement/investigation/charging is going to somehow magically be easier for the one thing when it has rarely if ever been done for the current laws. If you go to a massage parlour, you will be at risk, just the same as when LE currently decides to investigate and do surveillance on mps now, so will they do this in the future for C36. Will they be out there every day, will every day be high risk? of course not, in the past at best some mps have been singled out for a raid, and 2 or 3 clients found in the bawdy house. In the future, some mps will be singled out and a different set of 2 or 3 clients will be found in there, but the difference is, the sps will not be chargeable for being found in a bawdy house. Another similar thing will be that the mp owner will again be chargeable, for something under c36, instead of what they are currently charged with. The reason most long time sps say it will be pretty much business as usual, and/or that all we are going to do is return to the way we used to advertise, is because we went thru this prior to the internet influx of tell all ads, and we didn't discuss rates/services in conversations before because doing that simply confirmed that our incalls were bawdy houses. Now doing that will confirm that a client can receive sexual services, so if a client is observed leaving said location, it can be presumed that sexual services were paid for and received. Instead of a bawdy house charge said client gets charged with something else. Again, do they currently charge the clients leaving or in any sp incall? nope, so why is there this huge assumption that suddenly they are going to be able to find and charge clients leaving sp's incalls all over the country, when they haven't been doing that now. No one is coming up with extra $$.

Getting sent notices is very annoying I would hope that sps would use their sp name and email to sign the online Change petitions, that way that link to personal info won't happen. I know the prior petition (Say NO to the Nordic model one) was sent with over 1400 signatures in June I think.

They copy press releases by various people, and call that news. except the 'news' is worded exactly the same in all the different papers.

I am going to repeat the obvious which is SOP: always get paid upfront, and remove the $$ from the view of the client. No exceptions. it is especially simple in a spa setting, the attendant makes the agreement, then takes the $$ out to the front desk attendant for safe keeping. Other than that, there are dbs out there, like this guy, and once they know they can get away with it, they continue to try to do the same thing at other places with the same policies of post payment. Which is why it is never good for clients to brag or mention seeing any MA or SP who accepts payment after session, this kind of guy is looking for that kind of provider.

I am going to repeat the obvious which is SOP: always get paid upfront, and remove the $$ from the view of the client. No exceptions. Other than that, there are dbs out there, like this guy, and once they know they can get away with it, they continue to try to do the same thing at other places with the same policies of post payment. Which is why it is never good for clients to brag or mention seeing any MA or SP who accepts payment after session, this kind of guy is looking for that kind of provider.

cbc should already know this is nonsense. Kady did all the articles and the research and the twitter feeds following this, it is incredible that a radio show program wouldn't have done basic research on their own site.

I also agree with Nicolette. Post an ad, provide your info and contact details, and start an sp presence on the site. Advertising is free, and will give the members some sort of idea of who you are and that you are sincere and serious. If cerb ad is the only ad you have up, that alone is a level of screening.

ditto, it wouldn't be much of a safety protocol if everyone knew what it was, and figured out how to work around it. I suggest looking for the Newbie section, and start from there. There is also an active thread here called Ask an Escort. probably some useful info in there.

Sps in the US have been linking their client's 'fictionalized accounts of the time they spent together" for years, and these 'fantasy' stories are not used as evidence against clients, or sps, so I don't feel there would be any need to remove links to such things.

i always thought prior to the internet etc, when everyone started assuming acronyms were ok to post, that the sps used to use half hour and hour and bodyrub to be the code words. Someone mentioned once 'half and half' which i didn't know what that was supposed to stand for lol. (apparently bj with FS, because you had to negotiate to get both in one session without paying for an extra session) So bodyrub (ie. hj or at least non FS) is the starting rate, and half hour is bj no FS, and hour is FS. In the past of course, and which probably led to many misunderstandings, no one actually provided or received those times discussed. if a half hour means bj, it meant you pay the 'half hour' rate and get a bj, and sp leaves or you do, when that is done. usually within a half hour of real time. so body rub = 100 = 1/2 hr massage with hj 'half hour" = 150 = 1/hr bj session (with or without massage) 'hour' = 250 = 1/2 hr (or up to the hour) FS session (with or without GFE services) And clients may have to say good bye to the idea of an actual half hour or hour in real time? or that would be the face to face information given at the time. And further to my LE assumptions, i am going to assume that LE is going to post explicit ads and have explicit conversations, because that is also going to attract more potential clients to the door. If most sps are not providing the info prior to meeting, then any sp who does provide the info is going to be more attractive to book with. So LE more likely to give out all necessary info to get the person to show up and hand over the $$ And again, assuming that LE is even going to bother to do any sort of stings of this nature. which I doubt, except in certain cities. I believe Hamilton wil absolutely do it, and often, and Vancouver will absolutely never ever do it. Different cities have different enforcement policies, and VPD has a very very long tradition of leaving the indoor incall indy sps alone. Discouraging the indoor trade's clients does not seem to be something that they would do, based on their recently published 'do not harm' policy that all LE is expected to follow when dealing with sex workers. Saskatoon probably will do nothing, same with Edmonton, mostly because it would jeopardize their cash flow with the required business licenses for adult entertainers. :)

Usually legit sps are always trying to send signals to the potential clients to show that they are not TGTBT. They do this in the quality of the ad, in not using graphic photos and hard to read symbols instead of real words in ad titles, in their rates, ensuring the rate is on par with other sps offering similar experiences, and so on. It is then up to the clients to learn to read the signs, and avoid the red flags. It will be no different in the future, trying to ensure that you are contacting a real sp and not a fake LE sting ad. That is pretty much the only way an incall client is going to get into any sort of trouble. But again, and posted elsewhere, you are all currently breaking the bawdy house law each and everytime you do an incall with an sp who provides incalls. Has anyone recently been arrested or victim of an LE set up and charged with this? OK, then expect the same kind of thing to happen with C36, in other words potentially absolutely nothing.

i'm just going to copy some things i've posted elsewhere. I've never posted any rates or services in any ads, I've always just made them phone me. I also will never provide any info in emails, i.e. nothing is available in writing to anyone. They do have to phone me for info, and to book appts. I find the whole email thing too anonymous, and while people can change or spoof their phone #s, the vast majority of clients are not doing that. Also, it is an obvious paper trail that they do not require a warrant to get. Recording phone conversations without a warrant, not so much, so there would be no written or recorded record of you telling people what you do. I mean what are the chances of that level of investigation into the clients of independent sps who do not work incalls out of hotel rooms, and are actually difficult to access, so their clients are equally difficult to access. Keep in mind, the sp is never ever doing anything wrong, whether it is asking for payment, or advertising a full menu of services. apparently. (Allowing people to use payphones is also helpful, since LE is not going to call you on an obvious payphone to ask about your info ) If an sp never posted rates/services, and never got into details on emails or texting or anything else, then she/he doesn't have to change anything that they currently do. If she/he always posted everything, and also got ticked off because guys call and ask questions, she/he is going to be at a bit of a disadvantage. Keep in mind most of our online advertising options are not based in Canada. We can continue to post whatever we want to post on those ads, or at least, within the limits and conditions set up by the advertising site. Reading ads will not get clients in trouble. Using the online contact and/or email options within those ads, that sets up the paper trail. I would advise sps to post phone #s, not to require email/contact from clients to get the phone #s. REquiring email contact is initiating that paper trail. Leaving it to phone calls does not, other than an untraced and unrecorded record that a call was made. proves absolutely nothing. For clients, use google extensively. When you see an ad by any sp on any site, google points from the ad in order to search the sp. You are looking for multiple ads on multiple sites. You are looking for history. You are looking for ads by that sp on that same site as well., What you do not want to see is one single ad on one single site. I am advising sps to ensure that on sites where they post multiple ads, that they ensure whatever box needs to be ticked to show all their ads they have on the site is ticked off. i'm suggesting to start telling guys who contact them to call them from a payphone. I'd go further and say go out and find out what the numbers are on the payphones and the locations so you can tell them where to go. Basically you aren't trying to avoid LE contact as an sp, you are trying to send the signals to potential clients that you are not LE. The more hoops you, as a client have to jump thru, the less likely you are contacting LE with a fake sp. LE in other words, is going to make it super easy to get all the info and the booking in one phone call. Legit sps are going to make you work for the appt, including making you call 3 times before you can knock on the door. Clients should also be looking for a website as well. Let's face it, what LE is not going to do: NOT going to create a website for their fake sp, NOT going to pay for multiple ads on one site, because they have to change up who that fake sp is. They are not going to post ads for sps over 25, or over ideal weight, or even ethnic ads. REsearch kind of shows that the most popular ads are for slender, busty, 20 year old blondes. LE is going to set up fake ads to fill that higher demand, and ensure the ads are attractive, and you know what that means. This buxom beauty does everything under the sun at 150/hr, 80 for the half. TGTBT takes on new meaning.

plus emails fall under the 'not a public place', because the test of whether something is public (illegal) or private (legal) is if there is an expectation of privacy, and that you and only you (and who you correspond/communicate with) is the only person who is going to be exposed to the communications. That is why phone calls were deemed to not be public solicitation and /or public communication, because there is an expectation of privacy.

My mother's oldest friend, someone she'd known since they were children, also succumbed to undiagnosed cancer. She was old, she complained of hip pain, doctor prescribes a scooter so she can get around, the usual story. Women tend to ignore or don't push thru to make a nuisance of themselves when things don't feel right, especially that generation. Sorry about your loss, it is always a tragedy when someone passes.

It looks like a good one, from the trailers. It reminds me of the old ones from the 40s in a way, the film noir. I watched Grudge Match recently, and while I have not seen either Raging Bull or anything other than Rocky #1, i found the idea of these two aging actors playing former boxing champions and rivals pretty cool. Of course DeNiro is always easy to watch, and of course Stallone is painful to look at (i wish he would just let the hair be grey, cuz he just looks weird), Kim Basinger is pretty ageless for someone who is 61.

A US based group and article, but i found the investigation by Red Umbrella very interesting. http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2014/10/red_umbrella_project_human_trafficking_intervention_court_study.php Why Are New York Courts Lumping in Sex Workers With the Victims of Human Trafficking?

There are a lot of things besides contact info in an ad to look for. I know they are short, but look thru a few ads here, and compare to the style of ad you see on BP. There is no reason why someone shouldn't still be able to have a tasteful and well written, well presented ad on bp even with few words available to them. In other words, be wary of ads that have a lot of '$ is for time and company" pictures in the ad, or pics that are clearly not the sp herself, and a lot of HYPE AND SYMBOLS the equivalent of shouting at you to distract you from the things you should be looking for lol

The question there would be what leverage does LE have over sps? They have worded the laws specifically to ensure there is no chance of pressing any charges against sps for any reason (other than street work in school zones). The chances of pressuring sps under this legislation is zip. That's why i dislike all this fear mongering speculation. It is a presumption of US style lawmaking, and C36 is not imposing US style laws. US style laws meaning pressuring sps to cooperate in order to reduce or eliminate charges against themselves, to avoid arrest. Even then, they don't necessarily get a client list, they just reuse the sp's location and advertising (and reviews) in order to lure clients over for a sting. They aren't contacting anyone on lists kept by the sp.

I thought the study results should be posted here http://www.understandingsexwork.com/sites/default/files/uploads/Team%20Grant%20Working%20Paper%201%20CBenoit%20et%20al%20%20September%2018%202014.pdf

I received this in an email today. It seems to be a very newly created site, and is inviting participation. http://www.imnotavictim.org/

People have become so comfortable with the way business has been run over the past couple of decades that they don`t even realize that the bulk of these services are done under illegal conditions already. Every single time you are in an incall, regardless of where it is (hotel/condo/house/car) you are breaking the law. Every time you pay the front desk of a massage parlour before seeing the person providing the services, you are assisting someone in breaking the law (living off the avails, procuring). Every time you met an sp in public first, and have any sort of discussion about the time to come, and at the same time exchange the $$ (discreetly) in a public place, you are breaking the public solicitation laws. People who aren't contacting indy sps for outcalls only have been breaking the law every single time, but we are complacent and comfortable doing this because LE doesn't investigate or charge these things. It doesn't make them different from the proposed C36, and sps and clients will adapt to these new conditions under which they have to proceed. When i started it was under the impression that what i was doing was illegal. It took some research before i realized that prostitution is legal in Canada, and more that the discussion of rates and services in phone calls was also legal. I continue to get new clients who believe it is completely illegal, based on current laws, and the idea that solicitation charges have to do with sex work itself, and not simply the fact it is public communication that is the criminal act. So i'm in the 'stop the fear mongering' camp. I find it pointless to assume that any indy sp is going to be harassed by LE to give up the names and contact info of any client. The whole C36 is useless due to the fact that it's most important premise is that no sps are allowed to be touched by or threatened with criminal charges or threats by LE. All it takes is one overreaching LE to try, and the civil rights folks are all over them. For any guy who wants to proceed with fighting charges, I think it is obvious that Alan Young plans to take on the case, and do it pro bono.

additional info with a link http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/lawyer-duane-alan-rhyno-charged-with-human-trafficking-1.2784353

I suppose this is resolved, but isn't the police report simply going to be asking the address of where the incident occurred, not what you were doing when you were parked in a parking lot at the address of the incident? if you park your car to go do something, it rarely has any relevance at all regarding filing an accident insurance claim because your car gets dinged while you are away from it.

Good opening show for the new season. who knew it would last this long with this premise? I also looked forward to the opener of Once Upon a Time which didn't disappoint. I liked season 3 enough I will most likely get the set as an Xmas present for my mother who is a Wizard of Oz fan. And as an HBO fan, i have to recommend The Knick to those who like Penny Dreadful, etc. set in a NYC hospital around 1907 or so, covers a variety of things for that area of that city, medical discoveries, opium dens, and so on.