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new prostitution bill
fortunateone replied to VedaSloan's topic in Legal discussion, cases & questions
This appears to be the list of attendees. In the posters opinion, he has divided pro C36 versus anti C36: Pro C-36 witnesses (38): Asian Women Coalition Ending Prostitution Calgary Police Service Canadian Association of Elizabeth Fry Societies Canadian Association of Sexual Assault Centres Canadian Women's Foundation Centre to End All Sexual Exploitation Christine Bruckert, Professor, University of Ottawa Concertation des luttes contre l'exploitation sexuelle Defend Dignity, The Christian and Missionary Allianace Department of Justice Senior Officials Ed Smith / Linda Smith Evangelical Fellowship of Canada Exploited Voices Now Educating Georgia Lee Lang Government of Manitoba, Minister of Justice and Attorney General Gunila Ekberg, University of Glasgow School of Law Barrister & Solicitor Gwendoline Allison, Foy Allison Law Group Hope for the Sold Janine Benedet, Associate Professor, UBC Jeanne Sarson / Linda MacDonald Jose Mendes Bota, member of European Parliament, General Rapporteur on Violence Against Women London Abused Women's Centre Mothers against Trafficking Humans Native Women's Association of Canada Northern Women's Connection Peter Mackay Ratanak International Resist Exploitation, Embrace Dignity (REED) Rising Angels Servants Anonymous Society of Calgary Sex Trafficking Survivors United Sextrade101 SIM Canada Sisters Inside u-r- home Vancouver Rape Relief and Women's Shelter Walk with Me Canada Victim Services York Regional Police Not sure (1) BridgeNorth (probably pro) Anti C-36 (16) Aboriginal Legal Services of Toronto Adult Entertainment Association of Canada British Columbia Civil Liberties Association Canadian Alliance for Sex Work Law Reform Canadian HIV/AIDS Legal Network Chris Atchison, Research Associate, University of Victoria Criminal Lawyers' Association John Lowman, Professor, Simon Fraser University Kyle Kirkup, SJD Candidate, University of Toronto Faculty of Law Maggie's: The Toronto Sex Workers Action Project PACE Society PEERS Victoria Pivot Legal Society Prostitutes of Ottawa-Gatineau Work Educate & Resist (POWER) Sex Professionals of Canada Stella, l'amie de Maimie I notice they don't have SWAN, which has over 10 years face to face experience with support of asian sps who work in Vancouver area asian massage parlours, and who also reported to GAATW that in all those years they have never once found anyone trafficked. -
I don't think a case of not removing the sale tag for an advertised time limit special price (which can be verified by showing the sale flyer) would qualify to be 'false, misleading or deceptive'. However, if this was a small shop and you were dealing with the owner, chances are you would get the sale price regardless of the sale time ending. With those auto matic update computerized large store set ups, I doubt if a typical cashier would be able to make that price adjustment. There should have been a customer service or alternate person for them to check with tho, and that should have been their 2nd step. The first one to tell you that the sale ended, (and hope you say ok, then, sale ended, oh well, and the 2nd one to deal with the fact that you might be that customer who doesn't accept that sale ended as a reason to not get the lowest price. Which I'm sure they have dealt with more than once, or being on cash, they would have to know the response to be able to deal with this on the spot.
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You don't have to repeat them, mistert, the OP can just click on the link in my signature. I found that is the best way to deal with new threads. I think the link below is well over 20 pages now.
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new prostitution bill
fortunateone replied to VedaSloan's topic in Legal discussion, cases & questions
DR. Dawg did a good piece or two, and I gather that sex workers rights are not his usual discussion issues lol. Also Dented Blue Mercedes, and a couple of others have stepped in, most often anti-C36. Which usually leaves the incoherent venom spitting radfem who gives feminists a bad name to discuss the topic in depth, I mean, Megan Murphy. Filled with such hate for what seems like everything. I think she even rampaged against the idea that some feminists are sex positive, because i think she considers that a violation of the fem code. After all, in order to be sex positive, you have to have sex with men, and having (i.e. providing) sex makes men think they are entitled to it, as in they are actually enjoying it or demanding it, even tho any sex positive feminist would be saying that sex is actually enjoyable and denying that part of women's humanity is actually a bad thing, especially if the sole reason to not have sex with men is so that you can make sure they aren't getting any lol. -
I've one who sees me 3-4 times a month, since i moved to the area i am in now, and that is about 11 years now. Others i have also seen for the same number of years, but much less frequently like once to 3 times a year maybe.
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Petition: Produce New Legislation legalizing prostitution
fortunateone posted a topic in In the news
There is a new petition Justice Minister Peter MacKay: Produce new legislation legalizing prostitution and related activities. please share on other sites or forums or sections :)- 1 reply
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There are so many good TV shows, but not all of them are appealing to us all. I haven't watched TD, in spite of the raves, because the subject matter doesn't interest me, and the main actors don't interest me much either. it's like I don't see Dicaprio movies, but I will see Whalburg or Damon in almost anything. If you like Scandal (i haven't seen it myself, but going with that style) i'd say watch Revenge, Mistresses, Devious Maids and Witches of East End. None of those series are more than 3 seasons, and DM is working on a telenovela style, meaning that the first season is a complete story. season two has a new storyline, altho the same characters. Also Beauty and the Beast, perhaps? I also like Necessary Roughness, but as a tv show it is increasingly difficult to find on TV. It is now airing at midnight PST on the Womens Network, prior to this season, i'd find it at about 10pm PST. And it doesn't seem to repeat, you catch it or it's gone. I'm assuming you are watching online or downloading entire seasons to watch, as opposed to trying to find them week by week btw
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Seeing Sex Workers Doesnâ??t Make Me a Pervert or Predator
fortunateone replied to Sweet Emily J's topic in In the news
I encourage everyone to read the comments section of that article and start posting. In fact, post in all the articles you can post in, let your voices be heard in spite of some backlash, you'll find that the majority of readers are supportive. Well, in a lot of cases it has more to do with them being anti-harper, but that counts!!- 1 reply
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Well, it isn't just society that changed, but the laws. Recently, the age of consent was raised from 14 to 16 in Canada, with it being criminal for anyone more than 5 years older to have even consensual sex with anyone 16 or under. But it is in fact still against the law for anyone under 18 to have anal sex, as LGBT activists point out is essentially the same as saying gay teens who have consensual sex have a higher minimum age of consent than heterosexual teens, including the fact that 14 and 15 year olds can consent to have sex with other 14 or 15 year olds. Plus it was criminally illegal for same sex sexual activity prior to 1969. So that is where the comparison to criminalization of sex worker clients to gays in the past comes from.
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It's unlikely there is any connection (I'm not a fan of conspiracy theories mostly because i i beieve govts are too inept). In fact, if you remember the Cdn LE operation in January, this month in the US the FBI did nationwide stings against sps (it is uncertain if any clients or as they like to say pimps and/or underagers were actually being sought, although that was the premise they tried to present.) Something like this would take a lot of investigation, and it seemed more linked to drug income, altho they seem to be trying to connect the fact it had sp ads to illicit income in the news, the charges listed didn't seem to reflect that. from comments, i get the idea that the advertising was free, so i don't see how the article can suggest they profited off the ads (banners i suppose would be paid) or the fact that they provided the advertising for the benefit of sps and clients? redbook really affects California, they'll have to move over to the equally free posting on naughty reviews site. It's like this story says 'local prostitution ring', but the article itself doesn't make any connection at all regarding the sps arrested, in other words where is the 'ring'.? http://www.post-gazette.com/breaking/2014/06/22/Local-prostitution-ring-busted-in-national-FBI-crackdown-on-human-trafficking-Operation-Cross-Country/stories/201406220177 add the complaint that there are 'countless young girls' and the FBI didn't manage to find any girl at all, with the youngest at 23. Now this story talks about how many rescued kids they were,http://time.com/2915635/fbi-child-sex-trafficking/ and the title suggests they are only looking for children. And also the number of convictions. But when you put together the first story with this story, which are part of the same operation, you have to ask why they are trying to imply that all the arrests are pimps, when in Pittsburgh 8 of the 9 arrested were sps. Doesn't that lead to the conclusion that of the 281 socalled arrests, the vast majority of the 281 will be sps not pimps? Since they seem so incapable of finding anyone underage are we now to believe they could find someone's pimp too? This one has a list of where they went, and the number of 'saveds' and arrests http://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/168-juveniles-recovered-in-nationwide-operation-targeting-commercial-child-sex-trafficking What's interesting on the FBI site? It doesn't mention how many sps they arrested in Pittsburgh, plus the story in the Pittsburgh paper doesn't mention one thing about pimps being arrested. Unless they consider the driver who was picked up as a pimp, and even if that is the case, that was only one. FBI article says 3. So where'd they get that number from? Here's a story for Atlanta. With the pics. As you can see, only the sps are in handcuffs. http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/story/25859563/operation-cross-country-targets-sex-trafficking (i like how the FBI's 168 becomes 'almost' 200 in this story) They arrested 80, and offered 1/3 of those 'help'. i don't know about you, but if accepting help gets you out of charges, you will accept. another story that doesn't mention that anyone young was found, but the FBI list shows 11.
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Peter MacKay: Heâ??s the Minister of Wrong Again
fortunateone replied to roamingguy's topic in In the news
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Most sites gravitate towards one region, or two. I know a couple of newer sites have attempted to be more national, but the result was regionalized with a spot of interest only when the site was new, and nothing since. I don't know why this happens, just does. ;)
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You can talk to sps in ways that you can't talk to people you know, friends, families, acquaintences, coworkers, or people you meet when picking up groceries or coffee. It has the benefits of non judgmental time with someone who isn't going to see you day by day going about your life, and you are also reassured that what you say to them is confidential. As therapy it is costly, but it also includes intimacy which is also beneficial. You wouldn't be getting touched with regular therapy, and touch is also very healing. Some clients only come for conversation and touching, and no release not even nudity.
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Prostitution: Lessons from Europe's Streets
fortunateone replied to fortunateone's topic in In the news
i don't blame you for not reading. What she does is goes to talk to someone there, and then basically says "but of course i don't believe a word SHE says', then she'll go talk to the social workers in Sweden and say 'but of course I DO believe every word out of their mouths" even tho those words include that they themselves are not sex workers and they only see someone who will declare they want to get out. -
Here is something about Naomi Sayers (online interview) http://blackcoffeepoet.com/2013/02/14/interview-with-noami-sayers-anishinaabe-academic-activist-blogger-and-former-sex-worker-photo-essay-of-no-more-silence-rally-toronto-2013/ Her blog site is http://www.kwetoday.com and she had a twitter account as well, both are awesome. Her blog is where I found the #ENDDEMAND post that i made about relating sex work to working at McDonalds which was really good. then i went to megan walkers twitter account and thought to myself, what a lunatic lol
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I was sure i posted a link to a story about this report, but can't find it now. Here is a recent article about it. [url]http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2014/06/03/laws_targeting_johns_only_increase_dangers_to_prostitutes_report_warns.html[/url] [QUOTE]A new report by a coalition of Canadian prostitutes warns the Conservative government that proposals to target â??johnsâ? â?? the clients who buy sexual services â?? will only increase danger to prostitutes and eventually be found unconstitutional. The Vancouver-based Pivot Legal Society, along with a group from downtown eastside Vancouver called Sex Workers United Against Violence issued the report Tuesday. It draws on a newly published peer reviewed report in British Medical Journal Open, and cites research by the Gender and Sexual Health Initiative (GSHI) of the B.C. Centre for Excellence in HIV/AIDS and the University of British Columbia. The British journal study said its findings â??suggest that criminalization and policing strategies that target clients reproduce the harms created by the criminalization of sex work, in particular, vulnerability to violence and HIV/STIs (sexually-transmitted infections).â? Its study supports â??decriminalization of sex work to ensure work conditions that support the health and safety of sex workers in Canada and globally.â? The Pivot Legal Society report, released to the Star, points to the Vancouver Police Department which has gradually, over the past five years, shifted away from arresting street-based sex workers while targeting the arrests of â??clientsâ? or â??johns.â? [/QUOTE] The Pivot report referred to: [url]http://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/pivotlegal/pages/615/attachments/original/1401811234/My_Work_Should_Not_Cost_Me_My_Life.pdf?1401811234[/url]
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new prostitution bill
fortunateone replied to VedaSloan's topic in Legal discussion, cases & questions
It doesn't go thru a vote when in committee, and the committee is scheduled to meet July 7 I am assuming that they are still actively trying to push thru committee before the expiration date on revealing the survey results or whatever it is that opposition is calling for them to produce in order to aid both debate and study. Done in January, can be held for 6 months and no longer, so question is, why is the committee meeting prior to the release of this data, which could have been released any time over the past several months. -
i first looked at twitter when i wanted to see what #notyourrescueproject was about (i have a hard time finding that account now), and more recently have looked at @afterbedford for a lot of quick updates on C-36 readings. I haven't joined myself, as i am not really a fan of all the #xxxxxx stuff that ends up in a lot of posts, some posts are filled with that and nothing else, but i think it is like Chat, and I am also not a big fan of Chat :)
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Unintended consequences: strip clubs?
fortunateone replied to whiteman's topic in Ottawa Discussion - Stripclubs & Dancers
Exactly, but I was looking forward for them to define it lol. Ask anyone on the street, and sps only do one thing. The concept of hj or bj only (well maybe they get the bj only kind of session) but as far as a lot of outsiders are concerned, sps are there for one thing only: penetration that results in client orgasm. And that is so they can call it paid rape. As I have questioned on places like rabble for example, do they then, those abolitionists, have any change of mind about sex work when they are told that many, especially say in TO or where there is a distinction of the MP (massage provider) who is not touched, does not get nude, and provides only a hj at the end. If she isn't being touched, then how can they decide it is violating her in any way? The hypocrisy of course is right there. If the govt defines it, then they have to admit to the fact of all sex work, and that many never do FS, and many who do provide that, see a lot of people who still don't want that, and in addition there are the clients (maybe a small percentage, but still there) who don't even want any sort of happy ending, they are just happy to be there. And BDSM, well, yet another category to be defined :) Additional Comments: And no one has yet brought up the possibility that dancers could be pimped out, and/or forced to work. And yet isn't that what the big scandal about bringing in EE women who thought they were going to be domestics and ended up having to be dancers, with a side line of sex work? Isn't that the reason to block migrant work visas in SCs? (memory hazy on all those things, but why is the focus on sex workers getting paid for things that 'nice women' apparently would never do unless they are desperate, and therefore they are said to be doing it without choice, but no one says that about a dancer, a porn actor or nude picture model (I don't think they know about webcamming as sex work lol). But in any case, some of those things to an sp would be very desperate, like getting or being naked in front of complete strangers in public, and hoping they throw some money your way so you can pay the bills (exaggeration as to what abolitionists should be saying about it, but they are completely silent on this topic). oh, i forgot, i watched a video interview with a Swedish sex worker (Pye jacobsen i think) and she was saying the same things, well the Swedish govt then had to define sexual services, and they had such a hard time, and then they settled on something like 'touching of genitals by the other person'. So if C-36 defines it as sexual touching by another person, dancers are out of C-36 concerns, but so are BDSM most activities, and webcamming/nude model/porn. actually i think that if you look at city licenses for body rub parlours and/or attendants something similar is used regarding genitals :) -
new prostitution bill
fortunateone replied to VedaSloan's topic in Legal discussion, cases & questions
Anecdotes are not acceptable as 'facts' or proper research under any other circumstances, why are they treated as final word in this circumstance. There are plenty of anecdotes regarding how sex work is not harmful as well, so why are those being ignored? I think also it would be imperative to find out what evidence they are actually using, if any :) Additional Comments: Why didn't they vote? Are they just not there? I know Libby Davies wanted to be for the debate, but had committee she had to be in instead. That is a LOT of NDP mps, that vote could have easily been defeated with only a few votes. -
Should the prostitution law debate hear from johns?
fortunateone replied to roamingguy's topic in In the news
I'd like to see them knock off the use of 'johns' to refer to clients of sps. For one thing, it diminishes the real business relationship to put a stimatizing label on what is a financial transaction. In any other situation, you would be called what you really are: customers, clients, etc. Plus, to me, it is the fact of the money that levels the field in the sexual services transaction. Some men are able to coerce sex out of an employee they work with, who works under them. They are trying to equate sp/client transactions in the same way, that the fact of it being sex is what makes the imbalance. The start with a false premise, that there is imbalance like there would be in a sexual harrassment situation, but that is false because this is a situation where the services are already being offered, for a fee. Failure to pay the full fee or any fee, for services provided, is imbalance, but anything under the terms and conditions required by the sp is not. it is interesting the article was posted today, and now has over 600 replies lol. Why did they ask everyone except sex worker rights organizations? I think, Lowman and Atchison both need to be heard at the committee meeting. They have relevant info, the church lady groups do not. Nor do any abolition organization, because they are not on the front lines. A few years ago, the Real Women organization was one of 16 organizations invited to speak to a senate committee on prostitution. That group has absolutely no connection to sex work, not even in the realm of 'rescue'. -
Off topic, but i am fairly certain that same picture has been used on different articles, on different papers lol. In fact, one cropped the photo to be just the legs and shoes. There are a lot of article links in this section, go thru and you might see what i mean. in other words, if that really was a sex worker in the picture, that whoever took the photo paid her well for it's use.
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Have you watched any good movies lately?
fortunateone replied to CristyCurves's topic in Fun Threads
I saw We're the Millers the other night and was surprised how much i enjoyed it. I also watched The Family (with Deniro and Pfeiffer) and that was also good, altho a lot more violent images than probably necessary for even a black comedy. I saw Upside Down as well and it seemed really choppy, like it had missing bits for better continuity? It reminded me of The Fountain, but better, since there was an actual story, and it was a sweet story. -
You can see that in the comments section of just about every single article in every single media outlet on the topic. I can't even begin to imagine what got them adding the advertising part. other than they lost an attempt to make newspaper ads illegal like 20 years ago, in some court of law in Ontario or something. they can be offended by adult content of sp ads, but that doesn't stop the adult content of strip clubs, porn sites, and so on.
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Peter MacKay: A made-in-Canada solution to prostitution
fortunateone replied to roamingguy's topic in In the news
oh, look how different the Canadian model is, versus the nordic one. We are going to ban street work near schools!! We are going to ban massage parlour and agency owners!! We are going to ban advertising!!! (oh, and btw, also going to ban purchase, shhh, don't tell anyone or they'll figure out it is unconstitutional or something) Love the comments section, btw. Not surprised comments are closed after 24 hours, but even that is fast lol