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I saw it a long time ago and was sufficiently underwhelmed to the point of never watching it twice. However I can understand that it would be considered an important well written well acted movie, and maybe that is the point: the acting, and showing what kind of amounts to PTSD before it had a name? Point number 3, in the link says this: At its core Taxi Driver is about the after-effects a man is suffering having fought in the Vietnam war. There were a few movies about men coming back from Vietnam, and the trouble they had adjusting. At the time these were anti war movies, so an important snapshot of the times. #7, portrait of a psychopath, but indepth, not just as 'the villain', more complex than that. point made: the acting, the acting, the acting. It was a low budget film made with the idea it wasn't going to get a lot of attention, but a desire to get it made. A film, not a movie made for mass audience appeal, so it stands out amongst other movies of the time made by big movie companies. I also don't like Scarface, even tho i can quote from the movie, one that I've never seen. But you can always recognize a film versus a movie, appreciate it even if you don't like it. I'm a huge movie fan, and can count on one hand the number of movies i've paid to see but walked out on. But i rarely watch the foreign subtitled 'important' films any more lol.

But you are still trying to explain in the context of consent, or in the context of being willing or not willing. When something is legislated or regulated for the good of the public health, it isn't a question of being willing or unwilling to risk health and safety. So "ladies' are not the ones telling people what to do or not do. The whole point of this exercise is to describe what is already happening in a country that has decriminalized the same laws we had, and regulated it at the governmental level. It isn't like sp X is coming along and wagging a finger at sp Y and calling her dirty or whatever, which is what all this sounds like. It is simply one thing that actually could happen should the industry be regulated. Just as it already happens at brothels in Nevada, and so on. In other words, don't shoot the messenger, it's the law: https://www.healthed.govt.nz/resource/health-and-safety-information-sex-workers I am not sure about why this even should be hashed out so much: it's a health and safety issue. I don't think anyone is misinformed about the std transmission information, and the reality that bbbjs or any uncovered services come with higher risks? That's what is confusing to me, that we seem to be debating at the personal choice level, when the examples given take the choice away. If you knew 100% that every time you drove your car you had a 100% risk of permanent physical injury just because you chose not to wear a seat belt, would you then follow the law that requires using the seatbelt, or would you simply continue to not use it and run the risk of a fine? Even if you drove your car 100 times and you didn't get in an accident, and you never got stopped by LE to check if you were complying? It is a high risk activity, and that is all they need to know about it. Just as hard hats and steel toed boots are required for workers in construction, for their health and safety, so are barriers (which include dams and condoms) required for the health and safety of sex workers. It's a regulation because sex workers deal with the public in a commercial transaction setting, therefore, just like food servers, they are subject to increased or higher levels of regulations for the protection of the worker and the public. It's really a common sense issue and quite logical. It doesn't deal with emotions or feelings or desires, just common sense. A + B = C. If A is done without B, then there is no C. Just like if bjs are done with condoms, risk exposure is minimized, i.e. no C. It isn't about choice, just as I mention before, if the government is regulating an industry, it regulates it period, whether we personally agree with it or not. And hard hats and steel toed boots are also, not a morality regulation. It has been determined that due to the specific risks 'inherent' in the construction industry, those safety features decrease the workers risk. And, since oral sex without barriers is proven higher risk, therefore a health and safety regulation as laid out by the NZ OHS folks, regulate that high risk activity by requiring safety equipment. I have a hard time believing that any sp who is well educated about stds, risk factors, etc, doesn't know that bbbjs are higher risk. For me, I appreciate that they don't deny it is higher risk but they simply have chosen to accept the risk. Which again, is not the same thing as saying Canada is going to regulate anything at the OHS level. The whole point of this is someone saying that they can't, when in fact, they certainly can take the choice away from the clients and the sps, and the employers, as they have in NZ. Vancouver area is interesting because agencies are not as popular as some other cities. So even if an sp is actually an employee, so to speak, the manager will probably post 10000% independent in many of their sp ads. A micro is a 'mini' but illegal brothel. almost always run by an older woman or young man, usually Chinese, and staffed by Asian sps who are brought in from Asia on tourist or student visas. They usually live/work out of the apartment or house that is set up with various rooms. Some of the managers have more than one location, so an sp may be moved around from one to the other, based on how many they need at each location. The services are expansive, and the rates are low, even lower than low, like 140/hour nowadays, tho the typical micro offers a 45 minute rate, which always used to be 140, but now is typically 100-120. Even tho the rates are low, the sp herself usually gets more for each session here than she would in China. The sps are typically older like 30 plus, which is not an ideal age to be working in China. Ads also typically say the age is low 20s, and the pics are always 90% fake. At just about every way you look at a micro, it is highly illegal, from being a bawdy house, to living off the avails, to working without a proper work visa, and probably unregistered tenants in the location. And the managers do get charged with the expected criminal charges that come along with running a micro.

This was a great article. I recommend reading the Newsweek article as well, about this person. The reporter mentions they were uncomfortable seeing the 'rescued' women hard at work at sewing machines, because they knew how little a job in the garment factory was going to be paying. it was like they were 'rescuing' them from work that would set them up for life, to enslave them in the garment industry jobs.

It would be good to record them, if you did plan to speak with the parents.

I believe, tho, that we are saying the same thing: that some agencies make certain services a condition of employment, which was my point. Not all sps, however, really have that many options, shall we say, as to going independent or being hired by another agency. And I also have to include the asian micros, of which we have many here, and are cloaked within the guise of agencies in Ontario. They do not have a choice as to services, there is a SOPAM (standard operating procedure asian micros), where specific services are trained, required, advertised, expected, and to the point any sp who did not provide all (some exceptions would be greek, rimming, bbfs for example are not required, but clients may be requesting), would simply not get the appointments. If someone else is in charge of the bookings, and the employed sp is not providing the services the agency required, she does not get the booking, which to me means not at liberty to decide. If your decision is based on working or not working, that isn't really a choice. For myself, and others, the cbj is simply the boundary, i have no problem providing that only, as my health is more important than anything else to me. There are other things i also choose not to do that would probably make me more money, like 50 buck sessions lol. There is an agency nearby to me that is supposed to be a shared work place, but the 'manager' posts ads requiring back to back appts, 15 minute sessions, and so on. A requirement of not having one's own incall space, and needing a place to work out of, with limited options, is to hand over the booking process to someone who really does not care that much about your personal boundaries. And to the ones who don't want to see/read/comment on the tired old topic, the title for this thread is self explanatory. No need to click on it lol re: enforcement of the uncovered oral sex in NZ? I have to say, I doubt if you would get many sps voluntarily providing bbbjs if the result could be getting caught and facing a fine, but my first impression is that because they'd rather stay healthy and safe, they will be all over this as a regulation, you won't get too many complaining about it lol. One of the issues we have today can be linked to a lack of education about stds, transmission, testing, etc, for some groups of providers. Younger ones may have that immortal illusion that is typical of some younger people, meaning they take more risks even knowing the dangers. In NZ, education and information is a key part of disseminating the necessary information to sps and clients in brothels at least, by requiring health and safety information pamphlets, posters, and employment requirements. If the employer/manager is saying these are the conditions of employment here, these are the conditions of being a client here, it takes the unsafe options out of the hands of both sp and client.

thanks! That's the one. I was glad i ran across the article, i had been reading tweets from Molli Desi that showed up on #notyourrescueproject and other sex work related accounts. I am not a tweeter tho :)

They hide the phone #, that is probably so no one sees this: http://newbrunswick.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/escort-service-hiring-18/1740405 The name of the agency is also hidden, Barely Legal is the name. But that term is usually blocked on most sites. they don't have a problem showing the number probably in the hiring ad. I do think that anyone promoting "Barely Legal' to be the agency name is a problem. You've got one seriously unhappy sp in this ad https://cityxguide.com/diamond-and-starr-18/ You also have an agency who has no problem using face pics for these new sps. I do not feel this agency has the best interests of these sps in mind. They are advertising for 18 to 21, petite build, and my guess is all the ads will say the sp is 18, barely legal, or new. Which will end up attracting some clientele who like to push boundaries.

I think the problems come in the fact you have to rely on the country's organizations to distribute this help. As we well know, often what was meant to be free ends up in the market, for sale, and not always helps the ones in need. Recently i read a story about what happened to an orphan in India, when she was 17, just hanging out with friends, before she became an sp later in life. One of the anti trafficking groups actually picked them up, and locked them up at their building, in order to fill out a report about them, as more numbers of 'rescued child sex workers". When donors came to visit, they were trotted out and introduced, her as being 12, her 23 year old friend being 17. They were not allowed to leave, and had to actually bribe the guard with sexual favours, even tho they were not sex workers, in order to get what they need to call home, which for her was an orphanage. Eventually they were able to escape the Rescue organization, of all things. maggie macneils blog has the story of Molli Desi, I had the link somewhere, but faster to just post here, and let you google it. It's very revealing.

I read someone reply on rabble sarcastically (an abolitionist of course) saying that she doesn't believe that allowing a 3 minute conversation isn't going to help keep any sp from harm (she uses the more derogatory terms of course, not sp or sex worker for that matter). The response to that of course is it doesn't matter what she believes, the SCC believes it, the sp, Valerie, who did street work, believes that, and the only ones who really matter as to what works or doesn't work for them, is the street workers themselves. Anyone with experience, who is permitted the time they need to talk to potential clients, knows that the difference between no minutes and 3 minutes is huge. http://rabble.ca/babble/feminism/defense-nordic-model-dealing-prostitution-and-right-to-defend-it-0?page=16 Usually i can't go to rabble without becoming enraged, so it isn't good for my zen health :)

I agree re: Spain. I am reminded of it when I realized that the youngest sister of my oldest friend lives there, like all the time :)

mod is the key. There is a strict no nonsense approach to things, including slander, trolling, negative attitude, and even questionable ad titles. Anyone can come here and know they can freely post, even disagree, and not be attacked by moderators with personal vendettas, or favourtism of posters who are hostile and aggressive. Nobody who says nice things about sps gets called names or gets discredited. We see that kind of behaviour on other sites all the time, question it and the whistleblower becomes the target of abuse. Blow a whistle here, and a happy parade starts :)

An asian spa/massage parlour, a legit store front biz, would be quite different from what I am thinking that is meant by the 'asian place' where the sps live and work out of the same location. MPs are staffed by citizens or resident visa sps, even tho they are all asian, they are like any other worker, live somewhere else, commute to work etc. An asian micro for example, the sps live/work at the same place, otherwise all their income is going out the door on accomodations and food. Their low rate is cut up to half, going back to the management to cover expenses, and probably to pay off whatever debt cost to come to Canada (on tourist/student visa). They work illegally, it is unlikely they are trying to draw more attention to themselves by looking for an offsite place to live as well.

They are employees. "not allowed' means the services are required as a condition of employment. Many agencies make it quite clear what services are required for new employees. Most sps know this. i think the only time a client knows it is when they mention the sp did a 5 second bbbj, then covered it up lol

Talk about smilies reminded me of the sp who always used one of those as a post icon. But the one she used, for her ads mind you, was the eye rolling one (sarcasm). If it worked for her, i guess that's the main thing, but i often wondered did she not maybe think that the 'sarcasm' icon for an advertisement may be a mixed message??

That would be a valid argument except: all sps are not at liberty to decide for themselves what services to provide or not provide. Some are employees, many in fact, and they are and will be marketed and advertised as to offer popular services. There are some who do not wish to provide bbbjs, but due to pressure of the business, do so for the sake of their business. The pressure of what others provide, and provide cheaper, drives what they provide. Plus the reality is, that in the work place, and if sps want to be taken seriously as a business, businesses get regulated for worker health and safety. It is what it is. If the std clinic is telling you to cover up for the bjs, and the cdc is telling you, and random news articles are telling you, then it doesn't take much to figure out that the Worker safety board is also going to be saying the same thing. :) They may also say that employees have to get tested weekly, or that the employer is required to provide free weekly testing. Whether sps are able to police this for themselves for their own services is irrelevant to this discussion, of worker safety health policies. Sps are not always providing services in ways that are in their own best interest, health wise. Just as drivers aren't always driving in ways that are in their best interests: speeding, undue care and attention, and not wearing seatbelts. They have a license, they took training, it doesn't mean they won't break the law, but in the interest of the public, there are still laws against speeding, undue care and no seatbelts.

We are seeing a lot of charges being laid recently against the sorts of people who create real victims, and do the coercian. It seems to me that this is proof evidence of the fact that the current laws are more than sufficient to go after the actual criminals, and find actual victims. Applying a blanket approach when what you want is a net, to release the consenting adults and only catch the bad guys and victims, is wrong, and totally unhelpful. As far as i can tell, none of the recent charges have anything to do with the overturned laws, but there were sufficient laws criminalizing their activities that were more than adequate to lay charges. What do they want, to double charge for the same offenses? "inherently violent' is the new catch phrase. you will almost never see any abolitionist arguing about sex work and sex work laws who don't use this sensationalistic term. Along with 'prostituted" (which takes power away from sex workers. They have had something 'done' to them to be 'prostituted', which a consenting adult wouldn't have happen. Therefore there are no consenting adults sex workers when you use a term like 'prostituted'. Another one is 'decriminalizing violence" (which is blamed on the overturned laws) plus "johns and pimps" as tho the two are the same thing. One takes the money from sexworkers, the other gives the money to sex workers. They are completely different.

But RG, the whole entire point of sps/clients versus civilians is the business side, the commercial transaction, and the fact that the sp is 'at work' while performing these services. And like any other workplace, conditions and regulations can be (and in some countries are) applied. It is what it is. It isn't about stamping out stds, and it isn't about controlling morality, it is a simple case of worker safety. The example of Home Depot is of course exactly the same. We aren't controlling what civilians or even the Home Depot worker is doing at their own home, only regulating what they can do in the work place, for their safety. Once a regulation is in place, this means also that an employer cannot demand the worker get up on that ladder, at the workplace, without the proper safety equipment. Nor in NZ or similar places can any employer demand that an sp provide uncovered sexual services. And that is what it means to protect a worker with regulations. Whether a worker would voluntarily do it, they will have to do it on their own civilian time, not at the workplace. Comparing it as a morality issue is not at all accurate, when the fact of the matter is that stds are real, and std transmission occurs without barriers. As a health and safety issue, it is a pretty clear line. Sps aren't high risk because they are sps, sps aren't being morally judged and found faulty due to the fact that they are sps, The focus is that the risk is in the activity >>> uncovered sexual activities. You take the bbbj out of the work place, and the work place is a safer place for the worker (the sp). I really have a hard time believing anyone thinks it is OK to not protect sex workers just like any other labour force just because they are sps, and not regulate the safety issues of commercial sexual activity.

re: sex work and bbbjs it isn't a case of morality, as i express in the comment i made about. It is a high risk activity for stds, and it is treated as a high risk activity at the Work Safety level. This is a 'commercial' sex work issue, and work safety standards protect the worker, that is what those policies are in place to do. If it came only to the case of government imposed morality, believe me the difference of cbj versus bbbj isn't what they are going to focus on, it is sex work in total they will morally object to. In commercial sex work ALL oral services, and all other services, require barriers. This means both cbj and cdaty, but i am not sure if kissing is actually mentioned in the regulations. The regulations are about the safer care and handling of potentially harmful fluids, in other words :) In other words, sex workers are not contracting chlamydia or gonorrhea in their throats with cbjs, nor are they spreading it to clients with cbjs, even if they may be doing high risk activity in their personal lives.

I have one guy he used to be good about using it, now doesn't, so i pop a tic tac in his mouth. he's a smoker, he gets the humour of it lol.

Why not simply offer some options for him to stay, leave, or revise his session. One expeciting FS with certain services can revise their session to a hj session, and a reduced rate. Or the option to wash up, with tips as to how to improve things. I'm with anyone who says that making sessions conditional on certain things must be in the ad or website, so that the onus is on the client to either arrive or get up to minimum standards after arrival. I've had guys coming from work do anything from a sink wash up, to a lower body washup in the shower to a full 10 minute hair, nooks and crannies exfoliation probably showers before starting their sessions. On the main question, i refund money when the clients expectations don't match their reality. Such as paying for the hour with the idea of 2sogs, and within the half hour deciding that there is only one sog in them, and they are ready to go. Returning the amount over the half hour donation gives good karma and encourages a return visit. Refunds encourage good karma, avoid confrontation with angry clients, and reduce the chance of a angry review posting. Additional Comments: And if this hasn't already been mentioned, a yeast infection is not considered something transmittable when using a condom, it is not always accompanied by discharge, and is unlikely to smell like anything other than yeast. You would not want to do a bbbj on someone with yeast, but then, there are a ton of stds that you can get and transmit via bbbjs anyway, why limit it to the one you can see? I would suggest that someone prone to yeast infections would cut back on yeast intake, like bread and beer. Increase consumption of yogurt. There is a comment on this link that suggests Monistat cream will work, and someone adds that adding vinegar helped more. https://www.msu.edu/.eisthen/yeast/men.html

Sometimes it is just a mental barrier that blocks someone from allowing themselves to enjoy the sensation of a cbj. Sometimes the sensation is actually blocked because the sp's condom choice is not a good one (trojans, bleh), or she failed to use a warming lubricant INSIDE the condom, and you must must must use your hands before slapping a condom on and bobbing for apples. Everything is in the preparation, to the extent that a talented cbj provider gets the client to a point at which when the cbj happens, he is soon at the point to either go for it or stop suddenly or there is no FS part. Other pros are the sp is extremely enthusiastic, and can do this for a longer time than a bbbj provider, because cbjs are safer. The bbbj provider who doesn't offer CIM is always having to be alert to the signs of CIM, and has to abruptly stop, change or whatever to avoid it. Apparently many who do provide the CIM, run off to spit it out, so that isn't very sexy either. All cbj providers are able to CIM because it is cCIM lol. Also facials, unlikely with cbj, for obvious reasons, but are also not that popular for bbbj providers, so the chance of it happening is already slim. COB easy to do for cbj or bbbj. Just out of the condom, and voila. Not really a big dance. And yes, slipping from cbj to FS, seamless.

The lawyer who did the Bedford challenge mentioned somewhere that the Nordic model as it is a ban of purchase legal services, would not hold up to an SCC challenge. I can't remember much other than that, the opinion of others seem to be similar. It is because this is Canada, that sex work is legal, and that the challenge regarding criminalization of the legal prostitution, all these things add up to a scene where the Nordic model as it is presented in Sweden for example wouldn't be able to be used here in the same format. Whether that actually stopped them from doing it anyway is another story. i think where the charter of rights etc would fail is that someone can easily challenge any laws that force sex workers to see all clients, rather than have a choice. now the coercian thing prevents that.

My great grandmother's life seemed to embarrass my grandmother to the point that we don't know much about it. I'd be more interested to find out more about what she went thru: left husband and family, moved to Canada. returned to pick up her youngest, my grandmother, left the rest with the Dad. Those kids and their kids barely knew who she was, and that includes my grandmother. Discrepancy over the marriage certificate date and the birth certificate of her youngest children (as in they thought they were 2 years younger than they really were lol), and then what happened to that guy, their Dad? And who was the last husband, not their Dad, and where did he go?

In some cities, more and more hotels are going with key cards, meaning whoever gets the room has to go down to meet the visitor and bring them up to the room. In some cases, that key card only enables at night, so during the day it is freer access. In private residence, you would want it to be a larger building, not on the ground floor, with a buzz in entry system, ideally with a camera (this ensures you are not letting 2 guys in together.) You also want a spy hole in the apartment door. You will find that this opens up your availability and reduces your lost expenses (renting hotel room and getting all no shows, plus the monthly cost for an apartment you will have access to 24/7 30 days a month is priceless), Also ideal will to find one that has cable, internet, heat and hydro included, (doubtful lol) You will be much more private. re: hotels This isn't like a client renting a hotel room to receive one sp visitor. this is an sp seeing multiple clients, and using the linens for multiple clients. she is paying for a day, but getting less than 24 hours unless she books in for more than one day. She is spending hundreds of dollars for a few days, which could have been used for half a months rent of any small apartment. Even the smallest apartment would have more space and more possibilities than any hotel room.

Good luck with this new adventure! I am glad that to me you will still be right where i met you and right where we always connect: on cerb. One of the very best people I've ever 'met' without meeting face to face lol