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I think a number of sps like the envelope, and a lot of clients as well. Me, not so much, but i don't think either way is righter or wronger or classier or trashier, just what they happen to prefer. (in other words if i get the donation in an envelope, i don't give it back to them and say take it out and give it to me proper lol) And i hope the enveloped sps don't worry too much if the client wants to take out his wallet and count it out one bill at a time. I think what makes a good client is someone i don't have to ask twice (let alone 3 or 4 times) for the fee after it has been confirmed in person. The other thing is common courtesy, I write as I sit here at 4:08, ready for an appt because someone said they wanted to come by at 4pm. No call to say they can't make it, no call to say they are running late. No call means not courteous, and not letting me get on with my day.

I'm a serber, myself.

Fair point, however, in none of these examples do i see the sp doing the bbbj based on being asked for it by the client, she has done it voluntarily or offered. That is the point, of all of us cbj advertiser providers. Don't encourage clients to ask, don't ask, and don't expect that all the sps all do it all the time all it takes it to ask. This is the thing that we find offensive. To disrespect the ad and the sp, by this assumption that the ad is somehow a lie. Whether some sps put it in the ad, but provide it anyway is neither here nor there, the post was advising guys to ask for it regardless. The sp will let you know if this is something that is flexible or not, and the ones who are not flexible won't label you as a potential pushy problem client lol I don't know but if it were me as the client, I'd prefer not to be labeled as a potential pushy problem client guy, but more as a guy who doesn't ask for things that haven't been advertised.

i didn't notice the comment about how a client has more money than an sp. What a ridiculous thing to refer to in order to say there is something wrong with the transaction. in other words, there may be 20 other things that make the transaction imbalanced, but the fact he has more money than she does isn't one of those things. In other words, i have had guys who actually work at fast food chains come to see me, and I know there are more than just them who take home less per month than i do. And i do not make as much as a younger also full time sp, or sps maybe in larger markets who are going to be busier than I, or especially the ones who are at a fairly 'normal' degree of busyness and charge twice what i do. It is ridiculous comparison that they have made.

I do something similar lol. My building is a unique setup, i have to tell them the correct number to press to reach the exit floor.

The law on these establishments is most definitely that they can't be locked. They may lock the door, but like the fact the mp is turned into a bawdy house in the first place is also against the law, so rule breaking starts off as the 'norm' lol. MPs regulations also are supposed to be that there has to be a window in the door, that is not covered up, under some licensing.

i think i have read them all now, some are short and some are longer. it seems the interesting and longer ones have the comments section disabled so no one can say anything, including Roxy herself, who has already reported on another site that some of her comments were misrepresented or edited out of context. Hard to believe the media would do that (not) :) http://metronews.ca/features/massage-parlours/1003458/meet-roxy-a-massage-parlour-sex-worker/

I didn't say that i resented your comment, but I do resent the person who goes to see a cbj advertiser/provider (myself) and asks me for this at any time even if they wait until after session, and/or prior to booking the next appt. To me, the assumption that advertising and doing cbj is not the final answer is bizarre to me. I don't think you realize the implication of what you are doing. If you want/need/prefer bbbjs, book appts only with bbbj advertisers, or accept the cbj on the menu and do not ask for more. I don't think you realize the difference between something freely and readily given (the cbj) , and the bbbj an sp may be giving out of fear of lost income.

Sometimes it is the content, and sometimes it is the email address itself. You'd be amazed at some of the wacky email addresses some guys come up with, that are not likely to get replies, just because they are already insulted lol

1. You don't 2. Like you want to pay for the (free) test available to everyone? how's that going to work. You understand it takes a week for results, during which time sps are seeing other clients? Or are you saying you are willing to take her out of the work place, paying for her entire week's income while you both wait for the results. And when you do get them/see them, what is the kind of services you expect now that you 'know'. Oh and, what are you doing during all this wait time?? Got your results in hand, and a guarantee of not doing or seeing anyone? 3. NO, no amount of advice on how to 'get it done' will replace my answer #2 lol 4. I hope not. It is a very manipulative thing for any client to require, and a very useless thing for an sp to present anyway (see #2) When was your last test, and what is your sexual history since then btw, and going back to #2 what kind of services are you expecting from this sp with the clean test results?

Just a quick update in case anyone else likes bb but isn't watching lol Neda has won HOH, and rather than getting a conversation with Jemmet (Jillian and Emmet were the socalled prize for the HOH up until Neda won it) Neda is in the secret War Room getting to watch the other houseguests, and yes at some point she got to hear them as well. She spent the night in there, no clue as to whether is is out now. The event is due to instant eviction. gossip is that we hope Neda understands this and puts up her real target, as there will be no back door, this is the back door opportunity. If she watched last year, she also knows she needs to keep her lips zipped and not go on and on out loud strategy, in case houseguests here this lol also she should know this is instant eviction due to last years set up of isolating HOH for this reason. Jon in the living room arranged the chairs as a prank to make it look like nomination/eviction, so gossip also says they hope she saw this and sees this as a signal of what is happening. The rest have concluded it is instant in other words. They also have either been told or assume for sure that there is a secret room and that neda is in it. neda got her pajamas last night, but she has to wear her yesterday's clothes today lol. In conclusion, Neda has been shafted twice with her HOHs not getting her the HOH room for a week lol. however this time at least she got a private room and a basket and letter. just no one to share it with. assumptions are she will put up Rach and Allison if she knows it is double, and R and Sabrina if she doesn't, and is expecting to be able to back door Allison. she is bright enough to figure it all out. No feeds so no info until sunday's show, btw.

I personally, as a cbj provider, a cbj advertiser, and giving a cbj on first visits, resent being asked this before, during or after a session, or even as a prelude to booking a 2nd appt, like when someone calls to see if i'm available, sets up an appt, and while on the phone might ask this. It is a clear case, to me, of carrot dangling, a lure that this guy is not going to show up or book another appt unless they get that bbbj. if you see someone who advertises cbj, and provided it in session, without the pressure of someone asking for more and possibly doing it out of concern for losing the appt, don't ever ask for more. An sp who makes exceptions will let you know. If you expect or need more than what is freely provided, just do not book the appt in the first place if you expect that her advertised restrictions are not restrictions at all.

I just have rates that are based on the 20s coming out of ATMs. I don't have a 150 rate, for that reason, even tho maybe 150 or 250 makes more 'sense' so to speak, for this purpose it really doesn't. Same as having a half hour at 125 or even 130, that to me sounds like maybe, slightly, someone thought about it seriously knowing that someone is going to come with multiples of 20s and not ask for change. i am left with that impression, even if it is not the intention lol. But in general, if you don't want to give the extra as tip, bring the correct amount, it is clear in her ads or conversation what that is. Bring an additional bill or two if you think it is possible you might want to voluntarily tip, but many of us do not keep cash on the premises, and if we do, it is most likely also multiples of 20s and so unlikely we will have a 5 or 10 hanging around. Larger bills tend to be an exception. if someone brings 2 x 100, and then on arrival decides on a half hour at 120, clearly they are going to need change or the sp will be looking at giving an involuntary discount lol. Some guys are fairly clueless tho, if they are new to this. One guy showed up asking 'you take debit?" well, no I don't not for this anyway. same with CCs, it is a cash based biz, and you are not going to a business location with CC processors or reception desks, and cash registers, so exact change is always the best way to ensure you are not giving an involuntary tip.

Besides google, just contact any advertiser with real great photo studio photos and ask for them to send you a link to their website. If they are 'borrowing' the photos, chances are very good that they do not have a website. This is not a 10000% guarantee, but most sps with professional quality photos also have websites. And sps who use those kinds of photos and do not have websites, you tend to question why they don't.

This I think is where Summer's advisor had good advice. She is now benefiting from having higher rates, that puts more in her pocket after the same expenses she had with lower rates. but also, if her experience and quality is high, sometimes all a rate is is a reflection of expectations. Of course not all sps with $XXX rates can live up to the higher expectations of a higher rate, but then not all sps with $X rates live down to the lowest expectations that clients have come to expect from a $X rate. In the end, acknowledging that a rate is similar to any other red flag button as anything else in an ad is beneficial to the sp who wonders why do I get so many dead beats, or guys trying to rip me off, or disrespectful phone calls, or for some of them, act so shocked and surprised when they arrive and enjoy themselves. What can I do to save me the agony of dealing with so many of the jackasses. The answer can be, raise the rate 20 bucks, as simple as that, or not offer certain kinds of sessions except on a special rate day, etc. Either high rate or low rate, the sp has to work hard to justify that rate. At mid range rates, legit sps don't have to prove to anyone they are legit, the expectation is there. A super low rate, let's face it, draws attention from more than just the frugal spenders or guys on a tight budget, it usually is a signal to party guys, or aggressive guys or rip off guys that the sp doesn't know what she is doing, or she is doing this due to desperation. It doesn't actually matter what her reasons are, a large number of potential clients make assumptions based on these rates. Why make things more difficult in other words. i don't know how many times i've read sps thinking about quitting due to so many problems when they start out with those lower than average rates, and the contrast when all they did was increase even a little bit. Like night and day, sad to say.

This is one of the few BBs that has become interesting. usually they roll over without doing anything interesting or game changing, but it is funny it took Canada being the HOH in order to get it done. Now things will be interesting for double eviction night tonight, simply because there are enough people to make it interesting, and yet clear goals as to what those two sides want to happen. If you look at bigbrotheronline and see some of the videos with Sabrina, and the commentary to recap the live feeds, you will get a very good perspective of how the fans and the other houseguests now feel about her. She is one of those delusional people who really don't see anything wrong with what she's done or why people dislike her for doing them. She still thinks she and Andrew were put up by Canada because they are strong players, not because Canada disliked them or want to stop having to see either one of them on the show anymore. :)

I assume suicide, as I highly doubt anything other theories lol,

Like any US option, you don't want to go to a walk in or do anything on short notice. Just provide the necessary info to get screened, which usually involves personal info and references, and see someone decent and reputable and basically not LE. search vegas on cerb and you should find threads outside of the winnipeg section on the topic of who to see, where to go, etc.

I like the 'do no harm' caution. I do not have a massage table, but if i did i would not put pressure anywhere near the neck and currently, for a variety of reasons, do not do arms, hands or feet. A friend uses exfoliation gloves on feet, which it seems a lot of guys like, but you'd also have to require showering and foot cleaning prior to offering foot massage. I don't think you'd have to do anything special to say you do a scalp massage, few will turn that down either. The thing about having a table and some experience and related training is that it would be possible for you to do a full foot to scalp massage session at minimum 1 hour, up to 1.5 or 2 hours,. And that of course is a higher charge, and maybe not a lot will opt in for this, but having something more than an hour is always a good idea in massage sessions. By traiing, i don't mean go out and get certified, but take a layman's course at night school or a day long workshop or something, to get some information and techniques and dos and don'ts. After that you find some clients who are willling guinea pigs for shorter sessions at lower rates until you feel very confident about what you can or cannot do. Feedback from clients is a great way to learn about the erotic and sensual part.

me too, lol RG, you have a lot to say, and i am glad that i think i have read the majority of all 11,000 plus. :)

^^ this for sure. They can't just open up a new business that falls into a different licensing category and assume they are going to get it. The only city license available in most cities that can apply is a body rub license. Now maybe some cities are liberal about handing those out, but I doubt it. The city of Vancouver has only one place with a bodyrub license, the location is an mp set up (offers FS, bj, hj, etc not like ontario, most mps outside of ON do all services), which is located above a strip club (or used to be, somehow i get the impression the biz of the club is down and closed. Another bodyrub in the entire lower mainland is in Burnaby. No mps are going in and asking for bodyrub licenses, it is like a huge red flag, look what we want to do here, operate one of those illegal bawdy houses lol. still illegal until Dec 2014.

If you aren't certified, it won't matter for an erotic massage. But if you want to learn great massage skills, then definitely take some sort of course. That will fast track your abilities. i've honed mine over several years, trial and error and common sense, but if you are able to provide a trained massage for a longer period of time on a massage table, you can pretty much name your price for some guys. A lot of guys are only looking for massage and HE, but their emphasis is on the quality and duration of the massage, along with erotic sensuality and anticipation factors. Not a lot of people can do a longer and good massage, or have the interest in doing it. So guys look until they find someone, and stick with her until she moves or retires, which is fairly frequent. you would probably see a significant increase in new clients if you advertised any non full service HE sessions.

i hear about that 100/hr rate, but i think like others, I do not actually see anyone advertising it. I am always curious about where are all these ads lol. However my opinion has been said a few times on here, might as well repeat it: the 100/hr 'experience' is not the same as the 400/hr experience, however guys who are just looking to get off may claim. The 100/hr or even the 120/45 setup is not the same set up as a professional independent sp working alone, without a revolving door and a half dozen people in the incall, along with someone placing ads, booking appts, and to be sure, cleaning up the shower and work rooms. In order to pay for all that, and to pay for their keep and any expenses incurred to get them into the country to work illegally (if that is one of the setups the OP saw) they cannot charge 300 an hour. They need McDonalds pricing, but they also need McD's get up and go. Call at 10 to 5, arrive at 5pm, and out the door at 5:45, no exceptions. And onto the next one, due in at 6pm, they do not have the luxury of fancy surroundings, or rest time between appts, they are only taking in half of the donation, after all expenses, and need to keep up the pace. Some guys will go and repeat, that is just what they want, a preset menu with an interchangeable sp, doesn't much matter to them who showed up to open the door, whether they can even have a conversation of any kind, they come in and then off they go. Many other guys look for more, they try one of the 100/hr setups and find it inadequate, lacking, etc. They have no interest in that, and look for something and someone more. At no time is a 100/hr shop with multiple sps actual competition for an indy sp, in other words. the kind of guy who is OK with B&S and low expectations is not your clientele, if you are someone who makes an effort and it shows. If they are new to this kind of activity, usually the factory shop setup horrifies them, and they may be too scared to try again. Or they may then be that guy who asked a bunch of questions about 'is anyone else there' or 'are your pics real', etc lol Be prepared to tell the caller that you have more to offer them than a rate and a menu. And that you are looking for guys who can appreciate that. oh, and i forgot to add that sometimes a rate like that is just a rate posted in an ad. It is in no way ending up as the rate actually paid if the client wanted FS for an hour, for example, or to touch, or to actually have the sp stay lol. That is the other side of the story behind rates like that.

I will just clarify my rep comment for PP's post: get yourself tested before you see any sps. You could be a carrier, and if you go to see one of these mythical unicorn's called the 'std free guarantee card holding sp" don't be the guy who transmits something to her because you spent so much time searching for her you couldn't be bothered to check yourself out first. The first guy with an untreated std who walks in to see one of these sps (who provides those bbbjs) is putting her at risk. You can decide if he came to see her an hour before you did, a week, or an hour or a week after you did. You can decide if you were the one leaving her with an std, and gave it to him because you didn't get yourself checked out first. :D

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