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i think he makes the common error of taking something from the sp world and assuming that the general public world is significantly different or not comparable. Some sps may be addicts or drug users, which are not the same thing at all. But then, what is left out of the discussion is that some non sps are also addicts and drug users, so why arent we comparing the number of the general population who use drugs with sps, and see is the percentage that different from the non sp world? because unless you assume, and stereotype, there is no evidence to support the accusation against even 'some' sps. And it is the same thing when we discuss the prevalence of stds, or even the number of trafficking victims. the general public is trying to claim that all sps are trafficked, and that sex work is all sex trafficking, and we know that is also not true. so why would we believe a guy who has seen a couple of dozen different sps, out of thousands, and 4 of them were unfortunate experiences, is the resident expert on drug using sps lol. Number of ad postings in a week is not a red flag or a sign of drug abuse. It should be a signal that the sp is a professional running her business. In this day post CL manic postings, most sps know that if they want to show their availability, they had better have an ad up every day they are either taking calls or wanting to be contacted. if they don't the assumption is they are not working that day, even if they are. bp especially have very little room to explain your work schedule, plus many clients are not always looking for right now, so an ad up even if you aren't available that day still reaches potential future appts, but of course most of us know that the lack of a current ad seems to indicate to regulars a lack of availability. so you either post daily, or run the risk someone will be making another assumption about you as an sp, in this case, not working that day. fwiw, gallery view is not a separate paid feature, only the ads on the side of the page are. viewers simply can choose how they view the ads, gallery or listed

Trojans to me are smelly, but they also have the only off the shelf XLs i can find easily, so i am stuck getting the Magnums. Otherwise i normally get the Lifestyle because they have the 3dozen packs, which is more convenient and economical than only getting 12 per box lol. i would say that when i could get them, Durex XXXL and Durex regulars would be my ATFs, but no one around here seems to stock the xxxl's anymore

i think that if she reschedules like this , i mean that is over half an hour, you can expect that when your time is up she'll be checking the clock. maybe if it happened again, just cancel on your end. what happened i don't see as back to back booking, clearly at some point she ran overtime, whether her fault or the guy one or two before you. so well worth giving her the benefit of the doubt if every other session has been fine. remember, she had nothing to say until your actual appt was over, she didnt say hey we have to end on time i have to run off right away, she didn't say can we just do 45 minutes today, she gave the full time even tho she knew she was strapped for time in general. we all have clients who end up screwing up things not just for us but everyone who comes after their appt, and as any provider will say we try to accomodate that late arrival, and still juggle everyone else, she no doubt had enough time between appts if he had arrived on time or not stayed overtime, (no idea if he did, or not, or if he compensated for extra time remember, but that is her stress to deal with), but stuff happens. doesn't mean it happens every day, and it obviously hadn't happened all the other times you made appts.

It is done, it is not common. I have no idea what got into her head to only do it that way other than she may have been robbed, or worried about getting robbed. this way she would not have any cash on hand for someone to take. i would not do it prior to an appt for someone you haven't verified in some way, or have seen before. heck even then, there is no shortage of pay me now and i'll make it up to you later scams even from regulars. on both sides, fwiw.

Then a complaint can be filed with bylaws of the city of toronto, provided that this club is located in that city of course. otherwise you'd have to find the bylaws for the specific city or contact the city to see as to if it is legal or illegal in that setting in that location. they may limit security cameras to entry and exits for example.

the worst is getting the cancel call at the time the client was going to be calling for address or as the 5 minutes away call as a heads up. there is no way i believe that they didn't know long before then that they weren't coming. even if they got delayed and later figure that they weren't going to make it, why not call the second they get delayed to reschedule or let me know. it's hard not to believe it is just a game play to wait until they should be calling to say they are parking or that they are at the intersection where i give out the address.. those of us who do not double book are telling other callers to check back later, and we are holding/blocking out that time for them specifically, and could have been seeing other legit callers.

i have to say that not all sps are like that, but also not all sps are actively organized with their booking/appt setting process. i have talked to some who don't even know the # of the person making the appt, because they received a few or did the texting, and finally one shows up to confirm to get the address so that is the one getting the address. never mind that maybe you called first , and arrived 5 minutes later for a pre set appt time. of course the alternative is have a notebook, write down time of call, #, time for appt, get their ETA and/or travel time, and promise to that time to that person, while the next caller wanting the same time is told he can wait until the next available, get called back, or call back in X amount of time incase guy #1 doesn't show up. but people aren't often that organized when they do short notice appts, so theyll just take whoever shows up at the 'go here' spot and contacts them first, rather than tell them a reasonable next available time. then there is the obvious, OMG SHE'S WRITING DOWN THE PHONE # AND KEEPING IT hysterical reaction to the very idea so many sps are super paranoid about even doing that much. but without scheduling, and making notes, and noting the ph#s, how else is this supposed to go other than pure chaos, wishful thinking, and good luck. especially if they are in hotels, they can't afford to not take everyone, and run the risk someone is sitting outside having just waited too long to contact her to say he was 2 minutes away rather than right in the parking spot.

apparently related to some infighting. The original owner, handle fred zed, died in Feb. Not sure how it will affect all 3 boards going forward.

You a doctor now are you? That's just something you might want to write down and pin up on your bathroom mirror the next time you get the urge to hand over your prescribed medications to what is essentially a complete stranger. You have no idea if what you give them will cause adverse reactions with anything else they might be doing or abusing, and if something happens to them, you will be 100% responsible. Lock up your meds, and maybe stop doing outcalls. It is never ok to share these kinds of pills with anyone. not to mention the side looks you will get from your doctor when you go in to refill 10 days earlier than you should be. chances are your actions will end up getting you more couch time, or some other kind of investigation. But also, a little help, it is NORMAL to be nervous, especially when you have someone coming over to your own place. Allow yourself to be nervous, it's part of the entire experience, unless of course you are really experiencing severe symptoms. Far better to be straight and sober, in other words, and on your toes. :) the sp is a thief, and is probably lying about being pressured to get more. more likely she used them for herself, and just wants to see if you'll hand them over.

50 Shades Raven did a terrific job. I'd also suggest reading recos, find out what clients are impressed by, and how sps have made an effort to make their visits special. There are only recommendations on this site, but there are also warning sections. I'd suggest read a few of those as great signs of what not to do. Best piece of advice i have is two part: Learn to say NO. There is such a thing as 'bad' money.

Remember the bolded part? It means that all of those clients are good clients. end of story. you miss the point if you think that sps cannot care for or appreciate anyone other than a happy young goodlooking guy. or that they have no interest in providing services that they know will make a much bigger impact on the lives of all those client#2s than they will for all those client #1s. YOu cannot imagine the sincere satisfaction or good feelings that come when you have someone who is painfully shy react to the care and attention provided in our encounters. Or the gratitude of a much older man who has been neglected for decades. versus a young guy who is 'dateable", there is no contest. and it is yet another reminder that we don't advertise for dateables, but for clients, and nothing makes a work day end well than knowing you've made a difference in someone else's life. i had a client come to me for the first time, kind of seemed like client #2 in case number 2. but at the door, on the way out, gives me a big smile and asks can he come back to see me again. turns out the guy is hard of hearing, so he actually enjoying himself but not communicating since he can't really hear well enough to carry on a conversations. repeated (ideal client style) many times over several years.

good to remember, if you did put in login and password info to that pop up window, when site is back up make sure the first thing you do is change your password.

And i have less interest in a site that allows full nudes, (some) uncensored words and CL style titles and spamming, as well as negative reviews. because all that gets pushed out into the discussion area, and turns it into another freak show like other review sites. I have no confidence in anyone other than mod here to control or deal with bullying, slander and fake reviews, all of which are right now controlled due to the 'don't say anything at all' policy.

When i've talked to guys on the phone asking about this or stags (and yes, obviously they are not reading ads otherwise why would the thought that an over 40 yr old would be their best choice) i tell them the same thing: call an agency, no sp in her right mind should ever agree to go to a room with a group of guys in it all on her own. if they want to pursue this, then look for an ad that the sp is offering duos with a friend, because then they can book the two of them. and neither is on their own. i also mention if an sp does agree, then they should expect that she is being accompanied by just that kind of security already mentioned lol. i also think dancers who are also escorts would be ideal, because they can actually entertain a group of guys and also do private dances and of course as they are sps, do the extras for those who want more. with sps you don't necessarily get that entertainment / dance factor, so basically just the services. personally, if the OP is also thinking of an 'evening' , then the group should be thinking to spend thousands on each sp. i don't think any sp should even consider it for under 2000 if they are there for 4 or 5 hours maximum with 8 to 10 guys, probably should get more, of course, but just doing quick math to throw out a number

yeah, she'd drop you at the first sign you wouldn't play along. i suppose she was hoping you'd have shown up during those times she alerted you about her schedule and when that didn't happen, went to her plan b. if she was anywhere near a car or toronto i'd be very surprised. and no one that age doesn't have a cel phone. maybe can't afford to pay the bill, but she's got one

I don't agree with that at all. I don't use my work as a way to get dates or new BFs in other words, so i'd never be considering it as a way to look for someone like that. In fact, i'd say that idea is a fairly unusual one. I sometimes think that guys have a different perspective on this that sps do, because we know that it is work, and while everyone obviously (or almost everyone) can have fun at work, the planning, scheduling, cost, and time it takes to be available to meet any client is intensive. From the time we create the ad, to the time we close the door behind them, everything is set up in a way to find that ideal client, or at least, a good match for us. So an ideal client is one who participated in the process. He actually reads the ads, and then selects a few that he thinks are offering (most of) what he's looking for at times he is available at a price he can afford without worry. he then contacts us in the way we've requested we be contacted in the ad. this tells us that he read the ad and is paying attention. because we know he can pay attention, it makes him a safer person to meet for the first time. We have a good expectation that he can not only follow directions to get here in a reasonable time, but can follow the boundaries and services that are being offered. He won't: - ask for a discount because he feels entitled or deserving or because he failed to bring the correct amount (goes back to 'listens well) - show up unreasonably early, expecting us to be ready. or show up unreasonably late without calling ahead to say he's running late. - ask for services that have already been fully explained are not available. - pry into our personal lives. - expect 'hang out' time. or think that finishing on time, within the paid for duration, is 'rushing' or clock watching. no one should expect free time, no sp should feel guilted into providing it. - forget that he is the client, and we are in the provider business, which means that we are expecting to provide the services he needs for a successful completion. We are unlikely to orgasm on command, so being disappointed in that not happening during the session, or being overly concerned or focused on that to the detriment of the preferred final outcome, can be a lot of pressure on the sp. an ideal client can relax and enjoy what happens, and be less worried about what doesn't happen An ideal client repeats. Every time a client repeats is another appointment where we assume this is someone who doesn't have to be screened, doesn't come with worries about boundary pushing or fee haggling. An ideal client keeps his mouth shut about anything that the sp doesn't make public herself. An ideal client doesn't cross the line into being besties with the sp, taking her here and there, paying for this and that, and then getting his feelings hurt because she still thinks of him as a client, not a bestie, so he then starts an online campaign of harassment, trash and bash, and outing her private personal information, name, address, and throws in the same of other people she knows that he met along the way.

Vast majority, if not all, of the asian shops have experienced migrant sex workers coming from asian countries specifically for the purpose of sex work. i think now and then you'll hear a story or two, but a lot of times someone has to define themselves as a victim in order to escape anything more than deportation, so grain of salt. sometimes i have heard of an asian mp having someone under 18, but i hear it happens more often in non asian places so just another aberration. my guess is you'd be hard pressed to find an actual 18 year old in any case, anytime i've seen lists of people's ages for 'rescue' or arrest, everyone tends to be over 30. or 40 Migrant sex work is a big thing, they pay smugglers to get set up here, paperwork, place to live/work, and in exchange they owe that money back, which usually comes out of each donation, not the entire thing. They are not kidnapped out of high schools in Taiwan for example. Every place is set up differently, i'm sure, but the only thing i'd be concerned about is whether the working conditions are exploitive or not. to answer that, ask yourself are the rates rock bottom and services sky high, or are they reasonable and the services reasonable level of safety. if they are rock bottom, consider tips to ensure that the sp is getting a fair wage for her services which might mean she can do one less appt that day, or whatever. if you are interested in learning more about migrant sex work and sex workers, go to GAATW site or google Laura Agustin, or even just the topic itself. the University of Hong Kong and another chinese mainland university i think both did interviews/research asking sps why they chose to do sex work and why they traveled (to Hong Kong from the mainland) to do it. also butterfly.org will tell you more about Canadian migrant sex workers (asian)

i think they know, they simply want to dismiss/silence those who are consenting adults and claim that those are the minority. (in fact they do this repeatedly) the latest in the attack against sex workers of course is coopting language to reinvent sex work as sex trafficking. This implies that there is no sex work, there is no consenting adults, every single ad on any single site represent 'trafficking' victims, forced, isolated, kidnaped, and typically, under 16. The fact that no investigating (as in police stings & cross country ops) supports this reinvention is irrelevant in their propaganda. they've even got what should be legit media outlets calling sex work all trafficking and escort ads trafficking ads and escorts are all victims. And if they don't shut up about it, then they call them pimps OR they say that obviously the people speaking up for sex workers rights are promoting child exploitation. like in this story, the Senator is literally clutching her pearls when she tells two reporters questioning the senate's tactics

Many immediately started posting in the dating section, which leads me to believe that they were using that section as well in many cases already. Possibly to attract different clientele, possibly because it would be a cheaper if not free place to post ads. Like when CL was shut down, day by day escorts found another way to advertise and stay busy. i do hope that those clients and escorts together stop relying on just one single ad location, and branch out a bit more onto other sites. it's the only way to lessen the immediate impact of this kind of action.

When i was younger, i always used to have a large selection of this kind of dress. it's also more practical for freedom of movement lol

There is a slight chance that there is no one in the bp offices at this time. The owners have been arrested (on trumped up charges) and i believe the Texas office was raided. I don't have any information other than that, and it is possible that they went back to business, but in the meantime keep in mind that a simple report flag is pretty useless Use the Contact tab on the site and fill in the necessary info, and let's hope there is still someone in some office somewhere able to do something. fortunately bp ads do have expiration dates, and this one is getting close to that date i hope http://posting.thunderbay.backpage.com/classifieds/Contact

i wouldn't expect a close connection on a first visit, if that was the only issue. It takes a few visits with the same person to reach that level of comfort, for both sides. As for attraction, it might be best to check out other providers for a while. If you don't get the same level of service, you may find yourself rethinking what you prioritize :)