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I'm operating under the premise that the only ones posting fake bad reviews are disgruntled clients who didn't get what they wanted from the sp, even if what they wanted was to pay after the session. :) :p And I'm also operating under the premise that just because a site has a recommendation only policy, it does not at all make reasonable people think that all the recos are fake shill inflated glowing reports. Even on sites that allow the trash and bash fests, there are still lots of good reviews because there are still lots of great sps. I've always been puzzled by someone's negative willingness to believe the bad reports, but not the good ones, even to the point of excluding all the good ones just because one person posts a negative comment somewhere. Are all bad reviews fake? Probably not. But neither are all good reviews fake. Hence the term 'review fraud', and I don't know many sps who haven't been victims of review fraud of some kind or another. A fake review posing as a good one, indicates services provided the sp doesn't offer, increases her calls requesting those services. Causes trouble for her. Why does she want a good review pulled? Because it was giving misinformation. How many sps have requested edits or removal of these kinds of reviews? How about most if not all of them. Additional Comments: It occurred to me that in fact an sp who wasn't paid in advance is very likely to withold some services, or make sure the time ends at the half hour if not sooner. After all, she has no guarantee he brought enough money for the encounter he claims he wanted. He says he wants the full package for an hour, she thinks what if she provides that and he hands her enough for a half hour massage, and says, oops, my bad? This method is far more likely to lead to a short change in services, no wonder he thinks it works for him, I can't imagine too many sps providing the full deal without seeing he's got it with him.

I think threads like this go a long way to getting whoever this is to stop. If an sp recognizes your handle enough for it to be a draw for the guy 'borrowing' it, then the sp is going to see this thread as well, so she now knows that the real george isn't going to mention his handle to anyone. If you go to mps, maybe tell someone who you do see that does know, and have them spread the word, that no sp is going to meet the real you and know your handle, and if anyone does use it as an introduction, they are an imposter :)

Yes, my goodness, the cops are the lesser of any problems any sp needs to worry about. And because prostitution is legal, it is perfectly legal for a cop to come and see any sp (although he would probably do outcalls not incalls since incalls are not so legal) I am always concerned about sps who do not understand the laws about prostitution in Canada, and rely on US TV or sites to tell them about it. For those sps convinced that asking that question will help them, keep in mind that in the US LE who do sp stings don't have to answer truthfully, and they can go just as far as those examples shown above, and not be in any kind of trouble at all. No sp is going to complain or report the extent they went to to get the sting done. AND these guys are willing to do it on camera, drop their pants, let the sp touch them, touch the sp, let the sp raise up her top, etc. I've seen them arrest sps who came to them, (in the US mind you), recording the whole thing, and do that, and not once did either of these sps on camera talk about rates and services at any time, but still got arrested. This does NOT happen in Canada. LE is here to help you, not sting you. Even if they knock on your hotel room door, in full uniform, they are there to ask you if you are OK, of age, and not doing this under duress. To the OP, you are giving them a freebie lol. Stop doing that, it could put a target on you as an sp who is green and ripe for being ripped off or worse.

yes, clients would have to be inside the incall location, whether a hotel room, sp apartment or massage parlour room, for it to be considered a chargeable offense. And even then I don't think the clients suffer for that as much as the sp does (loss of income, embarrassment, out of pocket expenses, having to move locations, etc). From what I can see in many LE investigations of bawdy house locations they are looking more for anyone 'living off the avails" in some way, or trafficking, underage sps, coerced sps, etc. And keep in mind, about LE, these are guys who seem to be incapable of reading ads on bp or elsewhere and finding incalls that are mini brothels set up in houses and apartments and staffed by illegal sex workers (as in sps in the country on student or tourist visas that do not allow them to work in any capacity). I have a hard time believing they are capable of knowing who the OP texted, that he went to see an sp, engaged in the legal activity of prostitution, and then followed him home even though all they really needed to do to find out where he lived was look up his license # and stay in the relative comfort of their cars in the hotel parking lot.

I like the term 'review fraud". It speaks to a number of concerns many sps have about reviews and review sites. I think Fun Valerie is particularly aware of the damage review fraud and misleading posts can do, and I appreciate the fact that she is now spending time here to post and comment on these issues. i also think she was being facetious, knowing as I did when I made my post, that withpassion would have a really difficult time rising to the challenge of showing us ads and sites that specifically say 'pay me later, I don't know you, and I know that post payers often rip off sps, but what the heck, I'm feeling lucky." in their FAQ section.

Just going in and not paying the sp before the session starts isn't the same as the sp voluntarily telling clients to not pay her until after the session. To me, this is forcing her to ask for it, and when she does, he makes it quite clear she will be punished for doing that, by leaving. So she's in a really tight spot, the guy who is there versus the guy she can no longer book who does follow her payment policy, but she missed his call due to this character. So, again, just because you do not present the payment in advance and forces the sp to accept it after the session is NOT the same thing as her knowing how to comfortably ask for prepayment. Saying that "lots' of sps take payment after the session is meaningless, to me, without a list of names of sps, to give them a chance to come in and say 'that's not true' or "i did that one time, because I was too scared to force the issue. it worked out OK, but now I know to not be too shy to ask". Maybe you could just list all the websites you've found where the sp does NOT say 'please present the donation at the beginning of the session", or all the many, because there must be tons of them, websites or ads that say, please pay me after the session, I prefer it that way. Did you ever see the HBO series Cathouse? Did you ever once see any of those sps do anything other than chat with a guy before he decided what he wanted, they got the rate settled, and she makes sure he pays? And if he wants more or extra time, doesn't she say, oh, let me take care of that before we proceed? Each and everytime, in that place, prepayment. Hundreds of sps working there, thousands of clients, and no one is post paying. And that is one single location. withpassion, you have NO idea what is running thru the mind of the sp who thinks she isn't going to get paid. It is a really aggressive thing to do, in the minds of some sps. It can also be slightly humiliating to have to ask for it, or to be handed some cash, after the fact. It is a HUGE reminder that this was a paid encounter, when really that part is or should be the last thing you should be ending any session with. And yes, you ARE telling all the guys that they should be doing exactly the same thing, in other words, sending a message to force sps to comply to your demands on this issue. I don't know why you don't see that for what it is, unless this aggressive behaviour is blocking your view? Clients and sps both say it is a bad idea, for the sp, that it is actually detrimental to the quality of the experience, but somehow you like that stick or the carrot of post payment. Others disagree, and you seem somehow offended by the fact that no one here agrees that post payment is actually 'normal' lol Normal to who?

One of the sites was actually in the news recently :)

I think this is an interesting topic. Makes the guys think lol

Guys haven't been fooled into thinking this is the 'norm', this actually is the norm. It changes the dynamic when the sp is afraid she is providing the service to someone (new or regular) who may not pay her. I am not sure how that 'dynamic' is going to be a good thing. An sp who isn't going to provide certain services, isn't going to provide whether you prepay or post pay, and what are you going to do if you don't get what you believe she promised? Not pay the fee you agreed to pay when you made the appointment? Are you going to have her shout and berate you when you decide you aren't going to pay her what she told you was the rate before you made the appointment? Are you prepared for her to follow you out of the building, take down your license plate, and post your name, # and car on the internet because you ripped her off? or are you simply going to pay her the fee in full. And if you are going to do that at the end, why not just do it at the beginning, and get an sp who is not tense and afraid that she is going to be, yet again, ripped off? I wonder how you think you can get away with that, when someone is charging for her time, and you spent the time with her in full lol To me, the only sps who are ripped off are the ones who accept post pay, and the only guys who are going to rip off sps, look specifically for sps who take payment after. One of the worst things any reviewer can do to any sp, especially if she is new, is mention in the review that she takes post payment. The only exception that i find acceptable to sps who do a post payment method are sps who work in a spa, massage parlour, with others, because the client comes in knowing she has backup, the place has security cameras, and so on. I still think it is a bad idea, and mp attendants still get ripped off due to this sort of policy, but at least there is more than one vulnerable sp in the place with a client who has decided to not pay. Additional Comments: Not every business is like this business tho, and for that matter, many estimates from a mechanic, for example, rarely matches what you end up paying even tho the work done is the same work agreed upon lol. It doesn't matter if they take and put away the payment. It doesn't always matter what they said (or texted or emailed) prior to the booking. You are meeting a new sp, and assuming she did the booking, it might not be true, or it might be she doesn't connect you with the questions she answered before. She might be confusing you with the guy who didn't want DFK. So what you do is face to face prior to handing over the money, is go thru that list of things that got you to the door. Most sps in your area have a money for time set up, not a money for specific services set up, so if you get your time, there is no opening to ask for a rebate. If you don't get your time, or there was an extra charge to go from GFE to PSE (which I take from accompanied showers, DFK and toys could be the case), then you could ask for that amount back. If she doesn't upcharge for toy show, then no, there isn't any amount you can ask back because you have not been charged a particular specific fee for that. you see where I am going with this? Communication gets you to the door, but once you are inside that door with a new provider that you don't know how credible her promises were, you just run thru them again face to face minutes before sessions starts. She can't avoid not providing something, if she promises it directly to you, she can't be confused about who she is seeing who was asking to do more, and who asked to do less, for example.

Our laundry room is a place people leave good things for others to take when they are moving or don't want them anymore. Mostly books and magazines, of course, but at times other stuff like bags, dishware, boxes, pictures, etc Yesterday I go to do my laundry, and on the 'take it away' shelf there is a set of black wings like this in the picture, and a halo. The oddest thing I have ever seen in our laundry room. :)

I just think there is a disconnect from what you think is going on versus what the sps are telling you is going on. You do have a lot of experience, which to me means you are not as familiar as we are with what the typical newbie is going to be doing or asking about. What a newbie guy would ask is 'do I come to you or do you come to me?", nothing about who is paying for what hotel, he doesn't have enough experience to think that one of his options would be to rent a hotel room for the sp to come to him (outcall). i think the sps are naturally puzzled by the insistence that this is a typical (i.e. valid) question, and I think the majority of sps getting such a question would be eye rolling and hanging up/not replying, because if this is an example of how he is thinking, there is no hope he's also going to understand even the basics of setting up an appointment, let alone meeting and paying, and by that I mean, respecting the sp's restrictions, boundaries and limits. And that's assuming she believes he is a newbie potential, and not just an experienced guy playing games. Her first thought is probably the latter. The other issue seems to be that you don't want anyone, mostly sps, telling you any of that. And that is your issue. You can either become reactionary whenever anyone disagrees with you, or even just tries to explain their own POV and experiences, and LEARN from that, or you can continue to repeat your own points, to the exclusion of all others. Some take offense to the sps who do not have patience for very new first timers who sometimes have ridiculous questions. But it is their preference to not deal with first timers, or at least first timers that need a lot of hand holding. Some sps do deal with those guys. I'm one of those kinds. I'll tell someone things that are in the ad, I'll explain the difference between in and out, and give tips for looking at other ads, and making a good choice. But I promote that, and make a good session for someone doing this for the first time. I am not necessarily suitable for the hardcore hobbiest, who actively seeks one time encounters, to review them. I discourage that kind of guy actually, if I feel the caller is too 'checklist' oriented, I'll pass. The types of questions I am getting from the professional client are questions I don't have patience for, and I'm going to treat them like some sps treat the guys who don't read their ads or approach them in the right way. Some pro clients approach me in the way that I want to be approached. The ones who want to do things their own way, will be turned down.

I don't keep emails, and i do not allow people to book or confirm by email only, but on the one time rare occurrences that I do here is a scenario for a first time visitor. I will just hit the high points, as both of us i think said more than what the I am posting here; Monday: Hi, i will be coming thru your area, I have an appt downtown early afternoon on Friday, can you let me know rates/services and if you are free? Monday me (3 hours later): hi, email is not the best way to reach me, as you can see by the delay in my reply. Friday afternoon is fine, i do not prebook appointments, just call the day of closer to the time. I do not provide rates/services by email. Tuesday him: Ok, great, still on for Friday I will call you then. Tuesday me (later that day): great, thx for your interest. Wednesday him: (still emailing you notice): hi, plans changed, i will be coming on Thursday if that works for you. Wednesday me: yes thursday is fine, as I say, just call to confirm and i can provide rates/services :) Please note I do not book appointments without a phone conversation. Wednesday, him: Yes, ok i will call when on my way. Thursday him: I will be earlier than planned will phone you when closer. email was sent about 8am? I didn't read emails until after he actually phoned, as I say I DO NOT check emails often lol Appointment went thru as planned, his promise of booking an hour FS became a half hour massage (half the rate, 5 times the trouble just to get him to the door so far) instead. Fine, doesn't matter what someone wants to do in their session, it's all good. So by now he's been before, and he knows i don't book by email, and that i don't check emails frequently right? WRONG. Next time again 3 days ahead, an email, almost exactly the same scenario. Suggest a time, reset the time, still doesn't phone, and a last minute email the day of to pretty much suggest he is on his way, another email that I don't get, because it is sent to say he needs to change his time earlier, and I don't get the email in time to reply to him to tell him I wish he had PHONED ME because of course i was available. AND THEN, turns out he was doing all the same emails to a friend of mine for the same day and time, and showed up to see her instead. AND THEN turned around to set up a second appointment with her, that he did NOT show up to. AND THAT, ladies and gentlemen, is not uncommon with some repeat clients who do things by emails, and why there is a 3 email rule lol And why to this day, anyone who contacts me by email is getting the same reply :thank you for your interest, i do not book or provide info by email, please phone when you can. Just like I did to a guy today who used a contact form on an ad site, i was in my email, received the email at 10:29, replied to the email before 10:35, and he did not call me or email me back. That is another type of time waster. If you contact someone, and she replies, just reply back to let her know you got it, even if you aren't interested. We dont' mind if you aren't interested, we mind if we take the time to reply to your enquiry and you ignore it.

Yes, i agree. I failed to see anyone being anything but helpful. Working within the rules and guidelines of the site as well. of course the majority of replies came before the post with more details of what actually occurred at the hotel room door.

This would be a street work sting, I believe. not an indoor online advertiser sp. One thing i have heard is that bp is not a great resource for Alberta sps, even tho it may seem like the only option there are others. What you should do is simply google Alberta escort advertising, or similar word combinations until you do find these ad sites. Then what you do regardless of where you find the ad is google the phone #, and see what comes up. You can also research the photo. If you see an ad with really awesome pics, and no info and bad spelling, chances are good she stole the pics. if there is great writing and online or text contact and great pics, ask if she has a website. Great pics rarely go together with someone who does not have a website to post them on. Some cities in Alberta you are better off contacting indies, other cities you are better off contacting agencies and mps. Not sure what kind of place Red Deer is :) Googling the name and number should also lead to reviews somewhere, btw, if they don't it doesn't mean the sp is a scammer, but you may need to dig a little deeper to find out more about her. The link to the ad doesn't work, as links are allowed on here.

First off thx! I do provide different services, but so do a lot of sps, and some don't charge different rates for those, some do. it is less common in your area, but you would still have the time factor/payment issue. Someone paying for the half hour, and knows they intend to extend it midway the half hour, is going to expect to be reminded to either pay up now or at the end. I suggest my clients who are new start with a half hour massage/hj only session, and if they are feeling like changing to FS, let me know, and at that time i remind them what an extra 20 gets, versus if they stay longer than that, etc. 2ndly, i think you have to assume all 'extras' that come with a GFE is going to be ymmv. And some interpret a DFK one way, another a different way, meaning if someone comes in all tongue, face swallowing and teeth knocking/hurting, it means ymmv no more DFK. Also factor in someone else writing the ads, promising things the sp doesn't provide, and/or the sp really not understanding what the terms mean at all, which leads to that ymmv. I think a phone conversation to clarify leads to no misunderstanding about what you are being promised for the rate you pay. BUT you also followup face to face, knowing about the ymmv, and say, so this rate that I am giving you right now includes kissing, yes, and allow her to either say yes or no, but now she is on the spot, when she says yes, to get you to stay, she cannot mid way decide she is going to try to get extra from you for dfking. I don't see a big diff between LFK and DFK and am pretty much unsure how the sp herself interprets that the LFK is included in the rate, but DFK is extra, and if extra, how much extra ?? lol. I can see maybe no FK at all turning into any kind of FK being an extra $$, because something obvious changes, but I don't know how people differentiate that much between what to me is essentially the same FK

I would suggest that you need to know more about what the sp provides and what she doesn't provide, before booking an appointment. Then on arrival, if you know this, and she is asking 'what do you want to do?", in my case I would be asking that because I provide a number of different options, and times for those options, so I am wanting to know are you here for one of those options, and which one is it, so we can take care of the business and get down to business lol. So sometimes the answer is just "half hour massage" or "half hour FS", and donation taken care of, we get started. I then might ask one or two other kinds of things, which you choose an answer, and that's pretty much as simple as it gets. If you have a special request for wearing something, you do need to ask that in advance. Often someone says do you have pantyhose, after they arrive, and it takes time to get into those things, so i need extra time and advance notice lol.

You should know that facial recognition is being used, and can be used against you. However, since you are not putting face pics in your actual ads, they won't have any of your ads show up when they try to match it against your passport photo (or if they are snapping a pic of you when you are in line, which is actually more likely). I think it might be more likely to happen if you are driving across the border, because I think they have more time, and you haven't actually crossed in or flown a plane at that point, so getting you turned around isn't as much trouble as if you just arrived by plane. It is also important you have an itinerary, a clear itemized sheet of where you are from, where you are going, your return flight, where you are staying, why you are staying there, etc. I will state the obvious: NEVER SEND YOUR FACE PICS TO ANYONE EVER. If you aren't using them in your ad, don't succumb to the pressure of some random idiot emailing you and trying to make you send something you aren't using online. It only leads to trouble, and could get you in trouble. You have no idea who or what you are sending those face pics to, so tell whoever is pushing you to give them to you, that you prefer to remain discreet, and that you would prefer not to have someone make this an excuse to book an appt with you, when the majority of clients don't make this a condition of booking. Book it or don't, no face pics will be sent. bleh it will be easier for you because you are not traveling alone, you will be with family and going to a family member's location. In this situation, I would not be overly concerned about them running facial recognition programs. But it is now something sps who use face pics should be aware of, they are checking now.

I am more flexible in a way. Many clients will arrive and start with a basic session, but they do that knowing that if they change it up, the new session needs to be compensated for. It's up to you to know the rates for what you are starting with, and if you yourself is deciding you might be interested in more (whether it is more time, or changing from hj to bj, or bj to FS), that you are prepared she is going to be asking/expecting/reminding that that is extra. You wouldn't be there with her if she didn't provide her services for a fee, so no need to be squeamish about it if you are going to change it up mid-session and she reminds you about this. :)

I just think it is interesting that there sometimes seems to be a few people who join this 'recommendation' site and seem to want to turn it into a 'review' site because they can't fathom the idea that anyone would post positive experiences. There is this idea perpetuated by review sites that the only 'honest' reports are negative ones, or if it does have some positive elements, there must be room for some critiquing and/or trashing, in order to legitimicize the report. i am reminded of a long time member on a board that no longer exists, who actually said that he always included something negative in the review, even (it seemed) to the point of nitpicking one small thing that wasn't even negative. He actually posted a review of a massage provider who he had a great experience with, and his negative comment was that 'she looked just like her recently posted pics". His 'problem' with that is that he figured she should look better than her pics, and therefore was disappointed in her for not surpassing his unrealistic expectations. I've been on an advertising site that added a forum, and sure enough this same kind of 'must have reviews' element came on guns blazing trying to turn that into a review site of some sort, as well. Sps had negative trashing comments posted on their profiles by these guys, and endless threads started with fake pics or std warnings, and all that. It didn't seem to make any difference to them that the rules stated this was not allowed, and that it was an ad site only. The forum set up 'told' them that if they can make a post, therefore they are 'allowed' to say whatever they want to say. The forum is now shut down, and I doubt it will ever come back. Ad sites with forums, like cerb, have to make it very clear about their rules, because someone will always come along and state they have a 'right' to post whatever they want. So, this can be the kind of thing that people post in these 'reviews', that and complete nonsense and lies, and exaggerations and misleading remarks. Along the way there are good and positive experiences, but all too often even in those someone sometime has to add into it "too expensive for me!" and/or "no bbbj, she's OFF my LIST". I am always puzzled by the fact that some guys can't seem to manage to use the recommendations, in the way they are intended. They will post a 411 enquiry about who they should see, who is a safe sp, who does a great bj, or whatever, but seem to have a problem just looking at who has already been 'recommended' to see by one or many guys. Just puzzling.

I've used Western Union and Moneygram, and I think both are safe and secure. With Moneygram I liked that I could just go to any Canadapost retail outlet, but I actually ended up at a convenience store that was set up with the MG. WU is all over the place, including some banks, so I feel extra secure using WU when I go to a Moneymart kind of place or a bank. The last thing I would do is send it via mail in any sort of letter or card. Cards especially, because in the past that would be exactly what nefarious postal workers would open to see if there was loose cash in a birthday card. It's like a red flag lol. i would never use paypal, simply because it is so iffy as to whether they will release or hold it for whatever reason. I have done wire transfers, but the fees are so much higher than even WU it is ridiculous. I would even suggest buying a prepaid credit card, and giving the CC info to the recipient, who could then activate the card online. That would only incur a small activation fee, which if you check out different banks or credit unions instead of Canada Post's version, could be a low flat 2.00 fee (I go to Vancity bank here, but it is only in the lower mainland :) )

This is all good, imo. Another thing eventually will be if the good clients can help support the reference idea, if/when it starts to take off in Canada (outside of the provinces it is currently being useful). Clients who provide references rarely no show, they have put more on the line than the guy who is fake booking. Fake bookers can't or won't be able to provide references, so they will have a harder time making fake bookings. I'm not a reference person, but I support the idea. I am fortunate that I am able to put in a booking policy that reduces the impact of fake bookings. No one gets a confirmed appointment more than a half hour of the ETA, preferably less than that. once that time has come and gone, only 30-40 minutes has passed, and other appointments scheduled around that ETA can be bumped up, or called for an earlier start time, if they want it. Someone who needs more time or is out of pocket to provide the location is probably going to have to move to a reference system for new clients.

It seems to be a move towards making it better for the massage parlour attendants to actually provide happy endings and not get in trouble for it. I am interested in what their intentions really are tho, if it might be like out here, there is a body rub license available, but mps don't want to apply for it because it is 10 x the cost of a holistic health type license (or 99% of all other city licenses) and because there would be a huge spotlight on them for what they are providing, and they don't want that to be so obvious.

Sorry, no but 'things' haven't changed at all. What you found 3 years ago was a unique situation with someone who is what might be called a nonpro. What you are trying to find is another non-pro, but you are seeking her in all the wrong places lol. I'm not trying to be a hard case here, but usually the rapport and give and take comes only after several visits, and I don't mean the 3 visits in 3 weeks, then you stop calling for 6 months because you aren't getting what you wanted from her (which sounds like unpaid extra time?) but an actual rapport built up over a year or so with several or at least regular consistent visits. I sometimes have this conversation with someone who is calling for the first time, often about the halfhour rate as in time/cost/services. It always seems to me that they are the ones overly concerned with these things, and less concerned about paying a fair rate (which is always what I am asking for) and not abusing the privilege (by staying beyond the time they have paid for and expecting it to be my gift to them, for what reason I am unsure. I don't know them, I don't owe them anything other than the agreed upon conditions of the session. I have new regulars who have no issues with the fees, and sometimes feel like giving a bit extra when they feel like they are going a bit overtime. which is great, because you know you are appreciated then. I have others who make the promises of being regulars, but all they need is......fill in the blanks. Most of the time they don't even show up the first time, let alone a 2nd time. To me, 140 seems like a reasonable amount to spend for an hour for a massage session no FS, and if you were getting more time than that, that is on the lady you were seeing, but in no way should determine or shape your expectations of what you are going to be able to get with that same amount now. If you expect or demand or delay in a way to go beyond what the lady is willing to give for that rate, then no matter how much you like her, she will no longer be 'available.'. Sps are often 'unavailable' to guys who are not OK with the rates/times they have set lol

It's great you could deal with her directly and she didn't freak out. Most ad thieves are really aggressively hostile and vindictive, so it is more of a risk to do that :) The other thing you can do, and usually recommended, is to report the ad to the admin customer support. There is a Contact us on bp, you would use that, link the copy ad, and one to yours, and/or your website. Even more important is if someone is stealing pictures and you can prove ownership of them, they are pretty good about removing them due to not wanting any sort of legal/copyright hassles. You can report ads on any site, fwiw, and it is always good to try this as well, so the ad site is aware of it, Some ad sites don't have a copycat policy, others do, but for the ones that do not, it is good to put the pressure onto them to get them to get a policy. having said that, I did have an acquaintence who always stole ads from US bp, copied and edited only for her own stats, and I told her, well besides the fact it is illegally stealing someone elses stuff, what happens when your ad suggests you are something/someone you are not? In this case, I pointed out as well her ad was referring to her as 'exotic', a very descriptive word for anyone who isn't a pale white blue eyed blonde.

The Hobbit I don't remember hearing it was a 3 part movie. How does a single book get turned into a 3 part movie, while a 3 part book also gets turned into a 3 part movie makes sense lol. I like the LOR movies, because they are well played, great scenary, and characters etc, but I don't like prequels because we always know how the story ends. Still fun. Also fun to see a few familiar actors as dwarves. Fili is on a NZ series called Almight Johnsons that I've been watching into the end of the 3rd season, and Kili is from the better version of Being Human (the UK one, not the Canadian one), which was great. Knowing AJ is filmed in NZ and so is the Hobbit, i was specifically looking for Hobbits that also were in the NZ show, but so far only found the one :)