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Yes I completely agree and was going to post this kind of thing if no one else did. I expect to get a phone call asking about rates/services, I do not include that in my ad. I do not expect to get a phone call asking about my age, how many others are 'working' here, and what race I am. (my response to the last one is always "I'm blonde" in other words, you figure it out lol ) I do know that having done this pre internet and pre website that the number one reason now for asking such questions is not because they didn't read it but because they are doing exactly what they should be: confirming that the rates/services are as they read them to be. The best way to do this, when phoning for example, is ask the sp to verify that what they read is what she is also going to tell them. I've read comments before from guys who actually asked what rate they should pay because they literally have 3 different ones that they can choose from, based on the last time he saw her, a recent ad, and her website rates. As the OP says, communication is the key lol. And being accessible by phone, I also expect that when i get contacted it isn't necessarily because the guy is looking directly at my ad, but far more likely he read the ad yesterday, late last night or early this morning, but only calling now. So would rather they ask these things, and it doesn't take a lot of time. But what I wouldn't like is the guy who thinks he read a bunch of stuff in the ad, and shows up without asking to clarify some of those, and gets mad because he finds out in person about them. And I never start any session with anyone new without reviewing the rate, what they are there for, what they are paying for, and what we aren't going to be doing.

I have pretty awesome hair, a lot of it, but not unmanageable, If I want it straighter that can be done, but the reality is that the curls get a lot more attention and compliments than straight hair, however trendy the straight might be right now. Also, if everyone is going straighter, then the curls are also unique and memorable :) However it isn't this kind of big and curly, 80's style but more this style (colour too) Additional Comments: So not quite like this?

I think some agency contracts may have references to fines, if the sp is missing shifts, or doesn't give proper notice to cancel a shift. I don't know for sure, but I do think that they do or can get fined, or nickel and dimed for a variety of expenses. Also some agencies build in a signing bonus, as in they offer the sp a certain amount if they sign on with them, which I imagine is not paid out in full until a certain amount of time has passed. Legally, unless you take the pictures yourself and then have them sign a release, you can't own their photos if they supply them. You can contract in that you are allowed to use them on your site, and that is to protect you but legally copyright is owned automatically by the person who took the picture or in the case of work for hire, the one who paid the photographer. I would stick to not trying to control the photos if the sp supplies them, and you can't control where else she chooses to use them. However, providing professional photos for your site advertising, with her as the model, avoids that issue. And is a really good incentive for joining you, if they get good advertising and pro pics and a good booking manager. In regards to being a good employer, I'd suggest keep the nickel and diming fining to a bare minimum. No sp is going to appreciate coming in, getting 2 one hour appts, and ending up with 50 bucks to show for her efforts, due to having to pay for this, that and the other things. I also think they might have non disclosure agreements in them, because I can say to this day I've never once seen anyone thoroughly talk about their work with an agency, the contract, their cut, and their experiences there.

True, but to compare a review site with an advertising site is not a great comparison. Ads are ads, reviews are reviews, Even bp advertisers can get reviewed, so cross checking any bp or erb or CL or EC or Eros or any other ad site or directory is just another step, and still has nothing to do with the ads and advertisers of an advertising site. It is always a choice to decide to see any sp who posts in a forum setting type of site versus just contacting someone who posts ads. For example, there are advertisers on this site in the ad sections who do not post on the site at all, but that doesn't mean that they are more or less reliable than if the same sp posted on BP, or CL or in a newspaper. The decision to see or not see them has more to do with choosing someone post on the site, or any site, which is kind of different from choosing based on advertisements or using or not using an ad site. More apples and oranges so to speak lol. (saying this, I have been on erb sites with the following interesting things have happened. Several sps posed as indy had all their ads and comments posted by a single guy who was actually running an agency. Each had their own handle, and own ads, but they were not themselves replying to posts, reviews, or pms, nor were they themselves booking any appts which meant no emails were replied to by them either. At least two to three other sps were revealed to be using fake pics. Neither the pics nor the sps were removed for it, but discussion topics did appear due to this. Checks and balances came via the discussion and reviews, same as with any of the advertisers off of perb getting discussed or reviewed, but advertising and being on the erb site itself, doesn't make the actual advertising site itself more or less reliable.

I find the thinner extra sensation condoms are the better choice, they are not only thin but seem to me to be stronger than the regular ones. I use a little lube, inside, all the time, on the whole area. This adds extra tingling sensation, warming feeling, and so the 'no feeling' issue is minimized.The type I use is warming, unless the client has PE issues, in which case I don't. I have used the Him/Her lubes, and the cooling one is great to take the edge off of someone who does have PE concerns. I also find that the condom on also takes the edge off, which is a good thing. Most of the people who say they don't feel anything, or much less sensation, are using what their head tells them, not what their body shows them. A lot is involved in the preparation, prior to putting on the condom, the flow is natural and unlikely if they are relaxed and not all caught up in what they think they feel it goes very well. I find a lot of younger guys don't think twice about whether bare or not bare feels better or not better, they often only know what it feels like with a condom on, and have little to compare it to. Judging by the large number of guys who can cum with a cbj before they are ready, or before they go over to FS, I don't think condoms lessen too much sensation lol.

I don't think you use bp any different than you would any other site. You check the ad, you google the advertiser for their history elsewhere, you contact the advertiser for more information, and you might find that they have a website that they cannot post on bp. I don't think personally it is any different than anywhere else. It costs money to post ads there, and a variety of people post on it, just as they do anywhere else. In other words it is the advertiser you are checking into, not the advertising site. The stigma towards the site and all the advertisers is unwarranted and misleading, imo.

I don't think you can,. A lot of forum sites are set up that way, you need an admin to go and fix it or delete it to start over.

As a client, he always has to remember how he found the sp in the first place. It was a business services advertisement, not a dating or friendships site. When you get a bit comfortable and relaxed it might be easy to forget that, but you shouldn't. Would you know this person if you hadn't found her that way? No. Would she see you in the first place if she hadn't put up that advertisement? No. Does any of that change just because it happens to be a 5th, 15th or 50th visit? NO. It doesn't mean she likes you less than anyone else she knows who isn't a client, it just means that that is the condition under which you met, and the conditions under which you continued to meet. You can't go and change the conditions by which you continue to see her, in other words. I suspect also that from time to time, there are somewhat manipulative people who threaten to take away that relationship (paid dates) if they don't get what they demand (unpaid dates) but that is so unfair. If that is the reason for setting up the first appointment, to somehow down the road attempt to change it to unpaid, then please do not make the first appointment, and spare us all that awkward moment of bringing it up and having to deal with that lol

The ladies also obviously owe a significant amount of money to the people who made all the traveling arrangements which may (and probably does) include false passports and pay offs for documentation necessary to leave the country. I know that a cheap round trip ticket is going to cost 1000, and passport costs and visas to enter Canada will add to that as well. So even at best the sp who arrives owes say $1500 first, and that will need to be paid off one appointment at a time. I do think that their take home portion may be higher, as in if the charge is 120 for the session (usually 45 minutes) their 60 will be used for themselves. I do not know if the pay back comes out of the 60 the handlers take, or that is just the cost covering being there, and that they still have to pay off the 1500 out of their 60. These things are not discussed, as the majority of clients who do use these services, from Vancouver to Toronto, want the low rates, and lack of restrictions, and will favourably review them while at the same time pointing out the fake pics, fake ages, and general false advertising that they would flame, blame and trash anyone else for. (And by fake age I mean usually anthing from 10-15 years off, if not more in some cases) I think anyone from a union background or in any type of business would object to people working under the table, who also undercut rates, but usually it isn't about the rates or the pressure to do more for less,, it is the principle of the thing. Why do the laws of this country not apply when it comes to the sex trade business, and why should we allow anyone to be exploited with overwork and underpay simply because it is convenient for a few? Bring them in on work visas and employ them in a massage parlour then, imo, do it properly, no one will have any reason to object. It seems like an obvious thing. Canadian border people turn people away for trying to enter without a proper work visa when it is obvious they are being employed by someone somewhere. I don't see a difference with this business. It also seems like a thing that would be dead easy to police, but that is also largely not done.

I've seen 000-123-4567 before. Calling from Skype or via the computer. 760-708-8888 I think is using Google Voice. Same thing. Basically same as calling from a blocked #, trying to hide their ID, up to no good, imo.

I like a post to provide balance and to be fair and honest. One thing I see often is someone not just posting a false statement, but also doesn't provide anything to substantiate that. This is fairly common on some forums, that are somewhat hostile (or Us vs Them) in nature. I think other readers appreciate the balance, the counter argument in other words, and the different POV. Sometimes they appreciate it because they know it to be true, but they don't have to put themselves out there to post it themselves. Other times the untrue statement might be something they believed themselves, and they appreciate getting the true facts. I agree that you can present this POV without name calling, harrassing and creating a hostile environment. How the thread progresses will then depend on how others including the OP react to the alternative argument, and that can be challenging. #1 then is easily addressed. If you don't know something, find out. Do the research, here is the internet, google, other threads on different topics, lots of resources for you to find out some facts. Post the facts, with the backup, if you feel the need to defend what you only knew before as an opinion. #3, it does take longer to explain something. Simplifying things may definitely not be the best thing.

I'm atheist or at least agnostic, or at the ultimate, follow a more celtic/druid approach of multiple gods lol. But aren't we assuming a one god one type of religion is anti sex work and so on? I think there are a lot of belief systems that do not prevent sexuality expressed in this way.

It is believed that men invented monogamy, as a way to control and know if the kids their women have are indeed their own. A natural maternal based society has women having multiple lovers in order to have healthy babies. http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/2000/10.19/01_monogamy.html

i know that people prefer to think of sps and escorts as just a set of acronyms provided, but yes, indeed a lot of us do a lot more than just a bj.

As spraycan and friend point out, the OP is talking about posting in a thread asking the OP to send them a pm. They aren't just sending the pm and asking for a reply to it, they actually expect him to read their post in his thread and go to the trouble of starting and sending them a pm about their question. I agree it is an odd thing, and not very efficient as well. it presumes alot like the poster revisits threads and reads other postings in it. I also agree with the point about reading the ad. Doesn't matter what kind of recommendation someone puts up, if you aren't reading the ad it is unlikely you can really decide if the sp is someone you are attracted enough to see.

Not to mention the two possible scenarios: he agrees but doesn't post one, and he agrees but it is at best luke warm or gives misleading and/or inaccurate information.

I don't see as a couple that either one of you are thriving. Sometimes leaving someone is the best thing for them, because this way neither one of you have to actually make changes in your lives or grow as people. The other person supports and encourages their partner to only be what they have always been and only do what they have been doing, without changing. Both of you are going to look back at life in 5 years and completely regret how you've spent the past 5 years, but you are going to be 10 years older with fewer options.

That is completely true. And keep in mind the many many jobs out there that are physically demanding, or the ones that may not seem to be but the working conditions are kind of hard: mechanic, construction worker, oil rigging, fishing, etc. There are jobs where the workers face more dangers than selective sps, like bank tellers and nurses. I had chronic back pain in one of my jobs, a fairly comfortable situation, but agonizingly boring. Stress of trying to fill in the day, even tho it had good benefits, a fairly flexible schedule, and very well paid at the time, it started to do some physical damage as well as emotional.

I always suggest that you call or contact the sp a good 24 hours in advance, and definitely call between 'normal' day time hours to find out. You might have to visit one time at what people might call a reasonable hour, but depending on what time of day you are into, it should work out. I have to say I'd recommend against contacting the ones whose ads say 24/7 the main thing is don't wait until midnight for a first contact.

One would like to believe that bbfs is not on anyone's menu, but the fact is that it is. And how can one not make the obvious link between what used to be unavailable 10 years ago to the point of laugh in face if requested, is now so 'common'. And all that in spite of the fact that testing is easier, and information is really easier considering majority of advertising is done on the internet, so is the information about stds and yet they still do it. But what we also see from one decade to the next are a lot of foreign workers in the system, bringing their 'style' so to speak. and their style is based on a different level of acceptability. Then new but local sps get into the biz, they read ads to see what to do or not do, and they see all that stuff on the table and assume that is what they have to do. Which is fine because they also have no idea where to find std risk charts like this one either. http://www.sfcityclinic.org/stdbasics/stdchart.asp Greek and duos and dato also never used to be even considered appealing, let alone offered, and yet there they are :) No matter what the sp provides, there is always someone going to ask for somethng she doesn't. And those influence what ends up on the menu down the road I think. I am all for decrim and regulation because believe me there is NO way Occupational health and safety commissions are going to allow bbbjs with or without CIM.

It's a big myth that US cops have to tell, or that touching or nudity will prevent charges. I've seen them do all of those things in reality cop show, as well as reports on a US site I visit. Cops can go through with an entire appointment if they want, and use that against the sp if they want, having it all on record. Additional Comments: Also in person, face to face, if you are in a private room. Some sps think they cannot discuss their rates and services in person, so they do that weird thing with leaving the money without touching it. By the time you meet face to face, you can touch the money and confirm session details. I think emails and texts and pms etc are a grey area,. I think that emails are considered, or can be considered, to have an expectation of privacy and do not qualify as public solicitation. I think texts can easily be interpreted as not private or no expectation of privacy, but so could have a cel phone conversation with someone who is clearly not in a private spot. FWIW, I've seen a lot of texts to other people from other people, simply because phones are left out and upright and I can just see it whether invited or not. And regarding the scanners and listening in, yes it is possible of that happening, but that doesn't mean the two on the phone don't still have a reasonable expectation of privacy as they are still not doing it publically. If someone else listens in, they are breaking the law, but the two discussing sp and client are not.

I think the same purpose can be served by booking a half hour, paying for the half hour, but staying 15 minutes with that rush of urgency. people can design their own encounters in this way, but I don't see the point of offering a 15 minute session, or partaking of one. typically when I give out my rates for a half hour, the ones asking about 15 minutes think the rate should be half of the half hour rate. and yes, I have no doubt the majority of guys taking up this session try to get away with going overtime, like the one luxe encountered. Going overtime or insisting on not leaving until done would be the reason for booking a 15 min appt to get more for less, in other words. There are a few who really dont need much time, and I have met a couple, but even them, door to door, washing up, doing the deed, and redressing to be on their way, that is not always just 15 minutes.

An agency sp might warm up after the first visit. Just remember she has no say in who she sees, and try not to alarm her with too many demands or expectations, just relax and let her lead the way and you should do fine. If the sp is a good match for you, book thru the agency again and I imagine that she will remember and appreciate and relax herself a great deal now she knows you. And keep in mind there are legal asian sps working independently that you can find on cerb as well, or ask, and then language won't be an issue.

That's a good link. Off topic, but I didn't realize that San Francisco was also having a syphillis outbreak. That is one std getting reported in alarming numbers all over Canada's major cities as well.

So glad i don't have texting. I am on 2 sites that have IM style chat options, where clients bombard you with one or two words opening a chat box the second you appear online. Feedback from most sps is they ignore, disable or dislike the chat feature as an option used by complete time wasters who don't even bother to visit our profiles let alone read our ad. They see the name pop up as 'online' and bam, "Hi". or "hello" or something vague, and if you do reply with a link to your ad, they say nothing, if you ask if they saw the profile, they either don't respond or they say 'no'. I think one in 20 said first they read my ad, then started the chat. If I am being contacted, the first thing I want to know is what is this about, and what do you know about me before we get started. Whether a phone call, a text, an email, or an IM chat on an ad site.