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This is very true. re: being new, pls let her know prior to your arrival and booking the appt. I can always give out some advice during this process that new clients might find helpful in making a selection, making sure they aren't making newbie calling mistakes (like blocking their ph#s) and that I also know to reassure their newness is OK by me. If I know, then I know why they are fidgeting or awkward on arrival, if I don't know they could seem sketchy.

I agree with all the points by mod (and everyone else), but if I had to choose just one thing, it is 'all sps are diseased, carry diseases, and anyone visiting them is going to get one and pass it to their SO". That is among the first questions newbie clients post on various boards, and among the first assumptions posted in comments whenever the topic comes up by random public people. The 2nd one would be coercion, but the first one tends to be STDs, as if sex workers are incapable of using condoms, or even consider using them.

I missed it too, sad to say. Happy birthday, to a lovely lady who makes this site so worth visiting. :)

A very happy birthday to a wonderful woman. You are among the people on this site that make me very happy to be a part of this community here. :)

I would only add: Good luck finding a payphone these days. I'm in an area where there used to be 6 on the main street which was about 8 blocks long, and all but one of those is gone. There are two skytrain stations also here, one has no payphones, the other you have to know and recognize where they are because one of them just looks like an emergency phone to contact skytrain staff. While I will accept payphone calls to book, I would never book an appt by email only, so at some point before the appt can be confirmed by payphone, the client will have had to speak to me anyway. I don't know what someone is trying to hide when they go thru too many steps to avoid doing what I simply ask them to do to book any appt. I also don't know why they don't want to talk to an sp personally before choosing to see her, because screening goes both ways, imo. :)

Thinking about what is the chance a bed spread is getting washed between visitors, is why I always have a large towel to spread out over just a fitted sheet on the bed itself. all the sheets, blankets, comforters, etc, may seem like a good idea, or cosy or whatever, but to reassure myself and my guest, no one is going to be laying out on the sheets or covers, just on the towel itself. It is easy to do also, I don't know how easy in a hotel room to get a lot of extra towels for this, of course.

It could have been hacked, the front page changed that way. It could be that 'suicide' means that she has quit working and it is due to this tasha person who is named there. it would be an odd thing for anyone legit to post, they would just close down the website if it was sincere.

I always think it should not start at all before this date.

That's pretty cool, thx for sharing. :)

Well, HD66, I can only say that your public posts are very revealing. You haven't been on this site long enough maybe to understand why both the sps and the clients use this site, as opposed to review sites. On this board or behind the scenes, there is no reason to tell anyone at all about services that are not advertised, especially if they are not offered to all. There is in fact a very good chance this reliable source is lying to you, whether it is you providing the info or receiving it. You say you book based on back room information, but the sp herself did not offer, advertise nor agree to have the info shared, but you will expect to receive it when you show up, otherwise you wouldn't book her based on her advertised services, only the rumoured ones? And you don't see the conflict in that, plus you want to justify not just doing it, but expecting others to agree lol. Every time someone tells another potential client about an sp providing services she doesn't want known publically, or doesn't want to be asked about or doesn't want to have to provide to everyone who shows up, they are telling those guys her wishes are unimportant. They are telling her that he is indiscreet and a gossip. It makes him unattractive as a client, and chances are if she finds out, and she will find out the minute guy #2 acting on info given to him by pm, contacts her and asks for or about it. It is really up to the client to do his own work, contact the sp and allow her to answer, privately and only 'first hand' what his real expectations on arrival should be. It isn't up to a 3rd person to disclose 2nd hand information about what he claims happened. We have no insight as to the circumstances around getting or not getting certain services, advertised or not. We don't know if they were coerced, tricked, paid extra, freely offered, or even if they were offered or received at all. We don't know the source has an axe to grind, or is just super special and unique that he gets what others are denied.

ack, why would you think sharing info about receiving an unadvertised service would be acceptable pm info. ack For the rest of the message, I agree. The information should be between the sp and the potential client, it is up to him to contact her directly and her to provide what she wants to provide. Another member has no idea if the 'lurker' for example is not that sp's number one stalker, and has been blocked by her on here or even fired by her, or might be an ex-BF, or any number of things. Maybe something to keep in mind with anyone contacting you by pm for any reason, isn't so much what kind of reputation does he have or not have, but ask yourself, will the sp appreciate me sharing information about her that she is not willingly providing in her ads or website?

I don't think you'd see as many members with no posts if it was easy or possible to search the site without joining the site. I think a lot of the time, membership (maybe this accounts for many member accounts that are dormant) is dependent on how a site is set up ? If the zero posts guys knew that posts could be used as a screening tool for the sps who advertise here, they might do a bit more posts from time to time, but not all sps set up to screen that way anyway. I do know if a zero post member wants to friend me, I'll just say no because I don't know them, they haven't sent me any kind of notes, and I don't know why they want to be my friend. That way too my friends list has some kind of meaning, because I 'know' who they are. :)

If you ask before doing anything you are doing the best you can to avoid any issues. If she has a major restriction change, she will mention it or you won't receive it. (like if she is going cbj, and it used to be bbbj, you will see the change). I don't know too much about what specific examples there might be, but one reason I once said that something that is OK today doesn't mean OK everytime is if the sp agrees to a small discount when you ask when booking. That is an example, the guy wants to come by, he is 20 short but ready now, and she says yes. That doesn't mean his whole rate has been restructured to be 20 less for all future appts. IT means he got a one time deal for one appt. :)

For street work and clients seeking street workers yes. For indoors no, because clients don't need a license. :)

I think this topic is brought up regularly, and no matter how often, the site hasn't changed into a review site. Still just recommendations. I have a hard time understanding why if someone clearly wants to post negative (or even going to the topic here of 'lukewarm') they can't simply use the overwhelmingly high number of review board alternatives. Use them all if you wish, post away and enjoy the firestorm (if it happens),

Happy B-Day B-Boy :)

It's a great idea. I've seen this work very well, and it is a terrific time of the year to get started so guys can contribute before the weather gets much colder. I've also seen food bank donations for discounts, and/or I think what the guys say here is true, they pay the regular rate, but bring the items for donation anyway. It's a great way to give back, and feel good while you are feeling good :)

It would be great if you never share or do a reco on the spa where you got FS for virtually the cost of the door fee. There are some who will take that kind of info, and go in knowing full well the need to bring enough for a tip and claim they don't have it and don't know after getting the service. Ultimately it is up the the attendant to discuss the fees before providing the service, especially to a new client. I suppose she could insist the client pay with credit card thru the front desk, but it seems strange she wouldn't say how much something cost before doing it.

The ladies definitely do leave the negative boards, and if they don't they only come on long enough to check messages and post an ad, and maybe respond to a review in some way. There are lots of negative boards out there, and sometime these boards are used as weapons against us all. I would just suggest that if someone is considering seeing any sp, they have to also investigate the guys who post recos or reviews about her first and foremost. The issue with negative reviews and comments is often that it is about some minor and odd event, or out of control of the sp or the client. I've seen curious negative comments in a review that, not kidding, was the reviewer was 'disappointed' because the sp looked exactly like her recent photos, but he expected her to look better than the photos in her advertising. So any number of things can lead to expectations not being met, which can lead to a disappointing session. There isn't always anything that can resolve that in a reco or a 'bad' review, or backchannel critiques.

I might be wrong, but it was my understanding the door fee doesn't include anything at all above the massage itself, not even the hj. The expectation is always that the sp gets a small cut of that (maybe) but her income is in the 'tips' the extras. In some places, indeed, no tip means no income for the attendant for that session. I am surprised they are so ready to provide FS in that setting, all things considered, to a new client.

I don't think outcall rates should be lower than incall rates. The fact is the sp is taking more time, possibly the agency is paying a driver, and the result may be she is sent away at the door without compensation. At an incall, she is still there and ready if someone chose not to stay, there is no additional travel and down time to return or go somewhere else. Typically, out west, outcall rates are up to $50.00 higher. There is no expectation tho that clients are renting hotel rooms only in order to provide a location for the date. Normally they are already in the hotel for other reasons, or it is to their residence. The sps tend to have to pay drivers, the driver or even taxi will still need to be paid. This is an expense not incurred by anyone if she is in an incall the client visits. The simplest way to advertise an sp with her services (which you should be very careful of promising sexual services as a go between anyway), but I would think that you would use the tag GFE for any sp willing to provide kissing and daty (does not mean they have to provide bbbj, btw) and you would use the term Open minded for someone who is unable to promise those services on a first date or until meeting the client, so he takes his chances some services will not be provided, but at the same time they are not being promised. And you would not use either term for an sp who is going to be fully safe, providing only cbj and FS in her sessions with no GFE. Ideally tho each profile lists the actual services the sp is willing to provide, all things being present like hygiene. No sp would have a service listed if she plans to refuse to do it for first time clients or just when she feels like it, or only for long time repeat clients. Advertised lists should always only include the services the sp is going to provide to everyone without exception (barring hygiene issues of course). The rates for FS/cbj non GFE should be less than the ones who do it. Those who take more risks should be compensated for those added risks. That is the point of the different rates that go with services. There are MAs who do not do more than clothing on massage and hj who can charge more than sps who do full GFE sessions. Rates are not always a reflection of services, but other factors come into play with experience. I have seen 'new to the biz' sps marketed in a way that tells me the agency owner decided what services she has to offer. It seems to me that a much higher burnout rate is to get a very new very young sp to do anal, dfk, bbbjs, and PSE style services. (what 18 year old is supposed to really know about making safer choices, exactly) It is far better to advise your new to the biz sps to not advertise a higher level of services right out of the gate. They are far more likely to have more bad and aggressive clients, and they are far more likely to be alarmed by this and quit. You want them to continue, you will ensure the clients they connect with are respectful, and the services and rates help ensure their personal safety. Later after they've seen a couple of dozen different guys, then talk about expanding the menu. Once the horse is out of the gate, it is pretty hard to reduce services. I don't think you need to have a lot of different rates, but there are going to be some who are more popular. The more appts she gets, the more you make. The best thing to do for that sp, is reduce your cut and give her more out of the donation. If you currently take 30% off of each call, take 20% from a popular sp. You don't have to work as hard to promote her, she benefits from getting more per appt, and the rate charged is the same which the clients appreciate even tho she may be harder to book with. (I am making up the agency fees of course lol) :)

I forgot to think that this might be a better thing to do in late winter, when any summer tan has faded as much as it ever will. :) Glad to see you went all the way tho, two thumbs up.

Very cute. Thx for sharing. :)

I've seen a couple of guys on a different board actually spend a lot of time and effort trying to justify doing this, then ending it with, oh, well, no one can control what is shared by pm anyway. I don't give out my address to anyone I haven't decided to meet. I would be outraged if I knew that someone else gave it out without my knowledge. For one thing, how does he know he isn't giving the info to LE, a stalker or someone who has been refused multiple times.

In any case, I think the main thing is in terms is something risky or not is different from being legal or not. NO risk: Most agree, and experience reassures this, that a single sp working out of her own location/apartment is technically illegal, but definitely not risky. Low risk: an indy sp using a hotel room for an incall. Low risk because unless the hotel management is in on it (full knowledge of what is going on), they could easily be alerted to the high traffick and have to evict the sp on short notice, or call LE to investigate. A rejected client has the potential of complaining to front desk. She is working with too many potential complications. Medium risk: Any sps or MAs working out of a massage parlour or spa (unless it holds a body rub license) is very high risk if she/they provide more than a hj service. These are more likely to have regular LE visits, and the potential for charges for all who are inside at the time of a raid. Again, experience and history (and news stories) prove this is true. The reason it isn't high risk is because I would say the majority of cities LE decide that these are safe places to work and employ legal (citizens and legal age), and that they can visit to confirm the sps working there are legal. They would still prefer the sps work in a safer environment, not coerced, trafficked or underage. High risk: Any multiple person set up sharing one incall location that is a residence (like a condo or house) with multiple sps, and a handler as well, is 1000% risky, and anyone going to or inside at the time of a raid is far more likely to see far more serious charges. Primarily the person 'in charge' is facing more than just being in a bawdy house. Clients who make a habit of frequenting these places are far more likely to be recorded by LE during surveillance. They may not be around when it gets shut down, but think about just knowing that someone was watching, recording, filming or photographing your comings and goings.