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I kind of have to agree. cbj seems acceptable as long as there is a bj it's all good lol. Additional Comments: I would caution you against assuming that safe GFE means covered daty. It is mostly used to indicate cbj, imo. In any case, regardless what someone uses GFE, PSE, Safe GFE or whatever, the main thing you are interested in is the actual list. In the past a lot of advertisers were copy cats. They see something in an ad, and voila, it appears in theirs. They usually had no clue what it was supposed to represent. I usually suggest that sps simply say what they do or do not do, and that clients ask the sp to tell them what they do and do not do. Failing that, you both are taking the chance that your own interpretation of that catchall term GFE includes what you look for. On topic here tho, covered daty is extremely rare. I'd never think that safe GFE meant covered daty. I think it's even rare to see someone using GFE to not offer daty. I think you can easily assume daty would be uncovered, unless you are in New Zealand or Australia, where everything oral is covered, by law. :)

Yes, this is true, and I usually encourage people to use STD clinics for testing as they are current with all the different things that should and need to be tested for. I am concerned in some clinics that you have to insist on some tests, (they act like they are personally paying for the work to be done at the lab), and they may skip things if they feel like the person is low risk for it. It is good to get a complete work up, like chlamydia, syphillis, etc etc, before you get started in this hobby, but if not then frequency should probably be related to # of sps you visit versus time. So 2 x a year for someone who sees one sp per month, and 4 or 5 times a year for someone who sees sps 4 or more times each month? RG is taking advantage of a visit he makes anyway, and I do not think it is overly cautious. I would not be surprised if the number of guys who never have been tested, or at least very infrequently, wasn't alarmingly high. I think that most clients (and most do not frequent the forums) do not get tested. I also am pretty sure there is a good number of sps who have never been tested or do so very infrequently. Some are just trying it out, and stop after a month. Others just don't see the need, if there are no symptoms to check out, etc. Certainly those here working illegally are not going to the drop in clinics, nor paying for testing out of pocket at a walk in clinic without proper ID.

You were listening to Danielle bragging about how great she is and is destined to win any endurance comp. Even had Ian believing it to the point he agreed to throw it to her 'when' they were both the last ones on it. (I am sad Britney got evicted, and now I want to see Danielle gone even before DAN lol) Anyway, go Ian. (not sure yet which between he and Shane were or will be last one standing. Can't trust Shane not to target Dan, but with Ian as HOH, we are out for revenge for Britney's backdooring) It is too bad Brit didn't know more about Danielle's involvement with Dan. Shane really believe she is on her own, and is dragging her along with him. He is going to be in trouble if he sticks with her, imo, due to Dan.

I have heard it before from time to time. To me, that is a guy who likes more than 'just a bj', such a common request from the blow and go kind of guys. In for a minute, then out the door, imo. For some of them, they just don't like to be rushed, and what happens in many encounters is they enter the room, disrobe, and immediately, bj ensues. Almost like the sp is intent on his cumming now and getting out before his pants hit the floor. This type of client needs a little more time acclimatizing himself. If bj ensues down the road, it is usually just a bridge to the final destination. So covered or uncovered, usually makes no difference. Also benefit from cbj is a slightly less sensation, so more likely to last longer. Even more bonus, is CIM is always available with a cbj. No one has to stop at the ultimate moment, remove from the mouth and finish by hand.

There are a lot of shows listed that I know I would like, but didn't want to commit to even more TV than I currently follow lol. I like long mini series, ones with endings, rather than the continued season after season of 'who did it" sort of thing. The Killing (I think it was filmed in Vancouver, setting is meant to be Seattle, and based on a Swedish book (Scandinavian at any rate)) A really cold and wet series lol, but complete beginning to ending. Pillars of the Earth. I liked it and I don't like historical dramas. I think there is another similar one to follow. Again, the series is complete in maybe 10 episodes. The Borgias. I enjoyed it until I found out there would be a season 2. In any case, it is well done, I think. I watched season one over a long weekend, back to back shows. I have to agree with Berlin regarding the UK version of Being Human. The Canadian one is crap. You miss all the weird English humour, and really the werewolf guy has got to be nervous and nerdy and goofy looking. The Canadian guy is too normal. The Almighty Johnsons. Show out of New Zealand about a nerdy goofy guy who turns 21 and finds out he and his brothers and family happen to be Norse gods. He just happens to be Odin, and has to find Frig in order for everyone to get full powers.

For actual massage, lotion gets dry and doesn't really allow for a smooth massage motion. Oils are hands down better. I use unscented only. I use unscented baby oil. It is just mineral oil, simple, inexpensive, seems to heat up during use, and stays smooth and usable for a long time with just a little. It is hypoallergenic, and suitable for sensitive skin of all types (good for babies, good for everyone). And the brand I use (from Shoppers Drug mart) does not stain. I never give anyone a massage on sheets tho, that just seems impractical. All massages, considering the use of oils and lotions, the client is laying on a bath towel. I put the oil in a pump bottle, for obvious reasons. For the actual hj, then I add some tingling lube for the fun factor. After the flip by the time the client has laid out on the towel for even a few minutes, the oil has been absorbed into their skin and the towel with almost nothing left over except smoother and softer skin. There's just no good way to explain any kind of scent, in my experience, so I don't use any at all. :)

What I don't get is why F is so ready to throw in with Dan, when Dan was also part of the pack using Ian's intel? Yet, Dan just brings up the idea, and wham he's right in, as is Jenn? Something just doesn't really add up, because even the #s don't make sense for F to align with anyone other than Brit/Shane and Jenn and Ian. Danielle is really annoying. That she bought into Dan's excuses and claims just tells me she is his shield, and it's over. They don't have the #s if Joe doesn't play along. If he doesn't play along, and votes Danielle out, Dan/F and Jenn are only going to be 3 people. Doesn't make sense for Joe to vote with the HOH this week, consider that F can't play in two more HOHs. If he keeps Brit, along with Shane and Ian keeping brit, Danielle is gone leaving Jenn, Frank and Dan as big targets, with one of them not playing in two HOHs. Shane can win an HOH and a Veto with his eyes closed, so if he doesn't turn, they are pretty much doomed lol. But all depends on what Shane does end up doing really. I would love to see Danielle voted out, based on what Dan did for himself (getting himself off the block thru wheeling and dealing, and not doing it for her), and plus because she is such an annoying door mat. :) Oh, and Ian is not using Veto, but does that mean he can't use it at a later date? Because if he can bank it, again, then Frank is doubly in trouble.

Is there an actual Health Section in the general area of cerb? It might be helpful to have a sticky in the New To This section, or a separate health discussion section, maybe? To the OP, if you don't understand, or self educate, or find out, about STDs and STD transmissions on your own, then you can safely assume that there are going to be sps out there who also do not. In Canada this industry is not regulated by Workers Comp or Health/Safety departments, so there isn't any one way of knowing that sps who are working have gone thru any sort of STD training camp lol So with that in mind, many many sps have taken it upon themselves to educate themselves about risks and transmissions. But it isn't their job to discuss them all with you. Keeping in mind, again, that some have researched it and some have not, so it might be that information you got from an sp on the topic may be misleading or misinformed anyway. Or you might misunderstand what she tells you, and wander off thinking she said X is OK, when she said the opposite. The same with any information given to you outside of an expert, and with the experts, you need to go to STD clinic experts, not a family general practitioner.

One thing to do is cease and desist to the hosting site, the ad sites, etc, to prevent or restrict the thief from being able to advertise at all. Copy to that theif as well. The other thing is to announce who it is. We can help to a certain extent, but the warning does need to go out for the clients. It is exactly the same as sps who misrepresnt themselves with fake pics. Plus using pics that don't belong to them is also against the law, the same as stealing and reposting copyright protected material. As a counter act, I encourage everyone with distinctive ads and who have taken the time and effort to create their brand and their website, to regularly copy a piece of your text and google it. Follow the links to see if the hits are legitimate copycats, and proceed to shut them down. I think I had to tell Emily on another site that the admin requires the owner of the stolen material to contact them to get it removed. I would hope that admin on any board would simply look into reports by anyone. If the proof is there, they need to deal with it, not enable it. (if it gets reported I mean).

I've always like the idea of him and Shane and Britney working together. NO way that could or would happen with Mike around. To a certain degree, his partnership with Mike and only Mike hurt him more than helped, imo. He would have been with Shane from day one, and they might not have been stoppable.

I think it was an interesting topic, and allowed some people to express their thoughts and concerns. I didn't see anyone really doing more than fine tuning the discussion. There isn't any polite way of bringing up the idea, which I am sure many thought, when they saw the OP indicating she needed a drink to relax before an appt. Someone was concerned that she might not be comfortable doing the work, if she feels a need to aid herself into relaxation lol. These sorts of threads are good warnings, and good topics to bring up for new clients and new sps. Personally I don't drink. I am someone who believes that sexual activity (and performance, and even making good choices) is NOT improved with any alcohol or other drugs. Alcohol is a depressant, and can interfere with male sexual performance. Plus, I am at "work' whether I am doing a FS or massage session. I wouldn't drink and drive, and don't think that my clients should be having a couple before they head over for a visit. I certainly am not going to entertain for a 30-60 minute appt and encourage them to have another before they hit the highway either. On the 'at work' topic, no matter what sort of work we are doing, we aren't going to have a glass of wine before we start, not normally. Doing so in some sorts of jobs could get you fired lol. I think that if we want to be taken seriously as people managing and running a business, that we have to, at a certain point, reconsider the idea that this is an actual 'date', where we can relax and not be that concerned with the impression we are giving. For myself, my focus isn't on me being more relaxed, because I am at 'work', and my attention and focus is on what the client needs (within my own restrictions and services of course). My philosophy of a sober workplace lol.

That was a great move, and not veering from it with the veto replacement was also good. Funny that Boogie keeps talking about the 'fact' that Shane knows nothing about the game, never watched it or whatever. But every time there is a discussion, Shane always knows the names of the different competitions and exactly how they work. How can he know 'nothing' about how the game is when he shows all the time he knows a great deal about it. This year's newbies are definitely not making last seasons mistakes: It looks like there will be at least one more 'coach' removal coming up soon. I'd say before anyone else, Frank wants Dan gone and Dan will find that his throwing the competitions is not going to work in his favour at the end of the day. Most amusing is how certain F/B are that Ian is voting for them. Not surprising is Ashley's flipping to the F/B team. I don't think she has made one move that hasn't flip flopped or gone directly opposite what she promises to any HOH. I'd like to see Ashley and Frank put up next with the double eviction that Julie Chen mentioned., and I used to be a Frank fan, but not now.

My best advice is leave a message about your availability and after doing that by all means keep calling back until you reach her. The biggest problem I see with someone who does wait a half hour or hour and does not leave a message is that there is a really good chance that every time they call back, they will miss me again. I'd rather someone call back every 10 minutes until I can answer than to continue to call me every time I am busy again, or down getting the laundry. Basically, I change up my voice message, and I want the person to just do what it says. Sometimes that says call back in 5 minutes, other times 20, other times it just says I"m not available and that might mean I'm out for 5 hours. So leave a message, when I can no longer call you back, and carry on with your day.

There are also so lube or spray products that have the same numbing effect. Just make sure to give it enough time to kick in, and be careful of overusing it or allowing someone who does not have PE issues to use it. I usually will have at least one visit with someone before considering any products, because many guys use porn as their example of 'normal' endurance. Turns out that they do not actually have any PE issues at all, for the majority.

I would say 0% but I don't mind that. In fact, it took me quite a while to even post an ad, and that's more of a way to let people know who they are talking to if they take the time to search for it. I don't mind, I understand the site is not directly targeting the Vancouver area, and that's fine. I've never really considered forums for advertising for myself, only a way to communicate and meet people and have interesting conversations. I have really come to enjoy the people on this site, and I really do not care that it isn't a source of business for me. :)

I think charges for clients are pretty rare, and the only circumstances I know of where it gets mentioned is in massage parlour or micro raids. Maybe it would be more accurate to say that a decision is made to not press charges, because during a raid they are just collecting evidence, and they would have to decide if something like that is even worth pursuing when they have so many other people to charge. I think usually their main focus is on either nuisance (street work/public solictation) and safe work environment (so shutting down trafficking, illegal operations, living off the avails, exploitive working conditions, people working illegally, etc) In Richmond, BC, a massage parlour was investigated, and found a nude mp and client in one of the rooms. I think he's fortunate not to get charged, because then his name would be all over the internet on the stories, because the media sure loved to write about the naked man wearing only a condom lol.

Ian really needs to learn how to act with women, that's for sure lol. She was fishing with a big net, not a single pole tho, and he still didn't take the bait. Too funny. Oh, last nights AD was so boring. They kept switching cameras to show the ones not in the HOH room sleeping, and prior to that it's just them sitting and waiting. It took an hour for someone to mention who won what. I thought I saw the key on Shane's neck, but the idea that he won it was too bizarre. It's like there have only been 2 HOH's since the beginning of the show almost 6 weeks ago: Shane and Frank. If the two of them don't make it to the final 4, it will be a miracle. I like that Britney went for the immunity. I think most could see Shane was in the front for filling the HOH container, even so making sure that no one else could choose immunity (and Ashley was definitely working on that), that was a great team idea. Plus I think it means she can't be a Have Not but I might be mistaken about that coming with it.

I was thinking of this last night. Which Houseguest do you think you are most like? After seeing Ashley prepare for her ice cream date with Frank, and how she normally is, and how she was dressed, and the fact that after last night she's kissed just about every male houseguest, I'm choosing Ashley :)

I can only assume that she thinks that because some men like to slap it against a woman's face, that he must enjoy the slappy sensation. ?

I think my point was that you can choose not to use if for your own reasons, but I just get tired of the auto assumptions about the value of the sps who post there, and the clients who use it based on nothing but listening to rumours and posts from others. I don't think it matters what city one is in, I have seen the same sort of remarks and claims about CL from any city. imo, the claims and statements are far too general and sweeping, and as you could tell from simply looking at it, untrue. I accept your decision not to use it because it is not specified for adult services. But as many of us offer massage sessions, albeit with happy endings, there is no reason why an mp wouldn't want to use it for advertising. For someone seeking services, they only need to look at whether the advertiser has chosen 'licensed' or 'unlicensed' to see if they are RMT/CMT vs sensual massage. (I have to say tho that when the ES was removed, I expected the it's-easy-to-trash-CL-talk to go away lol)

It would require some sort of record keeping tho. I can see it working for an agency or mp, where the client can show up anytime, the establishment keeps their card, and stamps it with each visit. But I'm not sure how feasible it is from an indy perspective. If you kept to your appt time more often, then what you could have done is add an extra free half hour to the regular hour rate on the 11th or 6th visits. But if you don't then there wouldn't be any 'reward' so to speak lol I have seen one ad by an sp where she says buy 5 get the 6th free. That is a prepaid setup, and she gives receipts on each visit so the client knows how many left, and he has to bring the receipt back with him in order to keep using it up.

I was listening to Boogie a bit from yesterday's After Dark, and I think he is much calmer this time around due to be on some anti anxiety attack medications. Well, not that he takes them all the time, but maybe part of the reason he wasn't very reliable in the past was due to some issues. He is definitely a little bit more reliable imo than Dan, if someone wants to go farther in the game. But the main issue with those Boogie and Frank is that it is pretty clear they will only take each other. Dan is so ready to throw Danielle out the door at any time, excepting for counting on her votes and not putting him up she would be and he'd be aligned with Boogie and Frank asap. Except neither one of them seem to be ready to work that closely with him, lol. After the past couple of AD's I am really ready for Danielle to go. She is a bit of a nutjob. She's always going on about crying about whatever slight she imagines someone is up to. The only thing she did right was go ahead and put up Janelle, but even that was only after Dan's approval. I'd like to see Dan go just so she will play her own game and stop being a puppet. I like Brit and Shane's relationship better. Both are doing their own thing, to better position themselves, but both know that they still have each other's votes and won't put each other up. They don't see themselves at the end with each other, but relying on each other to bring them along with whatever side arrangements they manage to make. I'd like to see Britney and Frank at the end at this point.

Well. I will attempt to not be seriously offended by your assumptions about CL. I don't see any need for it, especially by someone who doesn't use CL. There is nothing wrong with it or any other advertising site, just because from time to time, unsavoury characters post ads. Unsavoury characters have always posted ads, everywhere, and indeed will even pay for their advertising, so that is nothing new. When the CL ES category was closed, everyone started trash talking (and still does) back page ads and advertisers. It is really tiresome. Posting on a site doesn't make an sp a less worthy than the sps who do not. Posting on a popular site with a lot of potential clients makes them savvy business professionals, imo. The TS is a services section. Anyone who offers massage sessions, even erotic or tantric ones, should not be ashamed of using that section. We are offering a business service as well. If someone is posting in casual encounters, as an sp, trolling for clients, now that is inexcusable and unprofessional, imo. An sp who wants clients will utilize all of the sites that will attract them to her. For anyone outside of eastern Canada, cerb advertising, while free, is not really a viable option. I love cerb, and do post ads here, but I don't expect any clients from it. I do regularly get great clients from CL tho, of course. :)

Personally, I think that some sps use this in their ads so that they can advertise the more popular services, but there is always a reason why no one gets them. I think it would be simpler to just not offer the services they don't want to do, but I get that not advertising these popular things might reduce calls. I don't think it should be necessary that an sp include it in her ads or on her site (if she has the etiquette page she can actually explain her conditions regarding hygiene). I do think it can be used in recos. A good client will recognize that while he had a great time, not everyone might, and using the ymmv about services received, or his experience, would be a good idea to caution the readers to not assume their experience will be exactly the same.

I think they get a bit eager to do something, like the idea of putting Dan and Joe up to throw people off the idea they are working together. I don't know that anyone would buy that Boogie and Dan and Britney are not allied in some way, if only to keep each other in the game so there are other coach targets lol Dan is really sucking up to Jen, in a way. I think every one of the pairs is trying to snag a 3rd. I don't think Ian thinks he is aligned with Frank and Boogie. I think they assume it, but he is much more leaning towards Britney with some combo of Danielle and Shane maybe Dan.