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I have to say a LOT of the lurkers are only reading ads. That is what they come here for. I've seen or heard from time to time someone mention them, and the idea is that they either don't read the Discussion area or actually they don't even know it is there. Typically on some forums these are the folks who post some sort of topic in the actual review section, rather than in the discussion area simply because they don't know it is there. Maybe some would be encouraged to simply give out reps, as a way to be 'heard" or at least 'seen'.

HI, lol, well I think you will find that many experienced sps who have been doing this before the internet know perfectly well how to screen clients without resorting to emails and lengthy delays. We even, gasp, know how to do it based on a phone call from block #s and payphones. The key to this business is experience. I have seen bad date reports about regulars, about guys who have passed the elaborate 2 reference, full name and home address screening and so on. And yet other than some no show aggravations, I have never in my life had a bad date. And of course, this is the simplest way for my (many) repeat and regular clients to reach me as well. They know I won't be looking at emails, but if I am availlable I will be answering the phone. I just have never understood the need to distance myself from my clients, whether it is the first contact or the five hundredth. A phone call , voice to voice, is always more personal, more direct, warmer, friendlier and of course, more efficient. This is a person I will potentially be getting friendlier, intimate and naked with. A phone conversation seems like a natural extension of the sort of warmth and friendly atmosphere I provide. So there you go. A phone call, a decision is made, and a half an hour later a knock on the door? How easy is that in this day of complex negotiations and background checks? For me, the risk is in not having a phone call. The risk of a text or email not coming from someone who is even male for that matter. Or someone that has changed his email accounts six times in order to avoid detection by me, in order to see me when he has been refused by me. I find this method high risk, where the phone conversation has never steered me wrong. It isn't difficult to refuse the rude, arrogant, obnoxious, crass, pushy, drunked or high guys, but the only way you really know this about them is by talking to them. The only thing I need to really know about any guy is that he is none of those things, everything else I prefer to find out in person.

There are two good ways to approach this: one is to bring a pair as something to be worn and returned to you, and the other is to request it when booking the appts. As mentioned above, don't expect to get the ones she is wearing if part of a set or favourite pair! A little advance planning should get you what you are looking for. Ask her price for providing that; she may not have ever considered it before, in which case make an offer and suggestion.

Alot of what I see here are the reasons why I don't use email (or texts) for info, bookings, and confirmations. Too much anxiety (and time!) 5 minutes on the phone, and you are done and on your way (some of the time lol)

I imagine they like the tradeoff of low rates and young girls, so the idea she might be coerced doesn't matter to them. Look at all the guys who line up at some of the illegal sex work setups of foreign sps working illegally on tourist or student visa. The guys could care less if she wants to be there or has a huge debt hanging over her head if she does, as long as the rate is low and the service level high. They see what they want to see. Someone like the guy in the story is able to see past his own genitals and realize there is more going on. So good for him to do something (tho I was wondering what the girl was wearing if he has to give her clothes, and her stuff was taken from her?) The one thing maybe men and younger guys may not realize too is how really evil some teenage girls (and younger!) are. Male bullies are sometimes a lot more obvious, as so many don't want to believe a girl is capable of this stuff. But just as many young girls experience bullying, cyber harrassment, lies, rumours, intimidations, threats, and more recently, physical assaults from their peers. Sometimes from their former bffs. The thing that shocks some of the male adults here doesn't suprise me at all, having been a teenage female myself. You have a small example here of what they are capable of. http://teenadvice.about.com/od/violencebullying/a/girlbullies.htm

Sorry, WIT. I was taking issue with the idea that saliva/the mouth would create a hostile place and thus reduce the risks. The risks seem to be the same, and saliva isn't a fixer, which was kind of my point of view posting. It just reminded me of the myth that since HIV is not normally transmitted orally, that it 'must' be because saliva kills HIV. Altho the thread has side tracked into a bbbj issue, it doesn't really take away from the fact that most people seem to want to ignore the real risks in favour of the sensations (or $$) that come with bbbjs. And to me the only reason to do this is to ignore the actual stats, information and std sites themselves. As mentioned, there seem to be a lot of teens getting gonorrhea now, and that is still the group with the highest infection rates of chlamydia. These people who are tested and treated and get statistically counted are only a fraction of the ones who don't get tested and treated, and move into adult life carrying this. Some become sex workers, still untested and untreated, and others become clients, still untested and untreated. This is how these things become epidemics. In Greece a crack down on the illegal brothels, and with enforced HIV testing (legal workers are required to test) found this result: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/03/greece-prostitutes-hiv-arrests_n_1473864.html That is more on point with the actual thread topic: Many countries with regulations on legal prostitution make condom use for oral sex and sex mandatory, and a crime if they are not used. I doubt that they do these things just to be busybodies. They are based on real health and safety issues, not whimsy.

I understand there is a desire to believe that infections therefor can not take place in the mouth as readily as say bbfs, but the reality is quite different. Saliva doesn't kill viruses, if it did no one would ever pass the flu or mononucleosis from person to person. And we aren't talking about saliva to saliva contact (as in kissing), we are talking about putting uncovered semen (which does carry stds) into the mouth and throat. When someone gets chlamydia, gonorrhea and syphillis orally, the infection is found in the throat not the mouth. http://std.about.com/od/riskfactorsforstds/a/oralsexsafesex.htm There are reasons why daty is considered safer, vs bbbjs for the woman, for example for reasons above. The link covers more stds. Nothing refers to how the mouth is a safer place.

I don't think there has been a case involving threats like this one, but definitely there have been charges against a 14 year old a year or so ago out in Chilliwack, BC. She was doing ads for herself, then started also booking appts for her equally young friend. Charged her with living off the avails I think. I was surprised they actually charged someone that young tho. http://www.chilliwacktimes.com/news/Shocked+that+teen+girl+charged/3871151/story.html The detractors are always 'shocked' that there isn't some male adult behind this kind of thing. I find it a bit offensive that they assume no teen girl is capable of doing this on their own volition. A lot of teen girls want/need money for a lot of things.

While I think it might feel like going indy is the way to go, you might actually have a bit better start going with an agency that represents male escorts as well. They would have some tips and general ground rules, but they will also have a built in client list and credibility for you in terms of your potential clients. Women are maybe more hesitant to call up a male escort in the first place, but they may be more confident to call a service. If you want an sp to give business tips advice, I kind of think that not many will do that. Nothing against you, and no one is saying that they consider you competition, so no need to be offended by this hesitance. I think most sps are pretty wary, especially when it comes to guys wanting to spend time with them in any capacity, but especially in a business related capacity. YOu will have a hard time convincing anyone that being an escort is really your goal, as opposed to using your wiles to charm an sp out of her $$. To put it bluntly, that is probably the first reaction many sps will have, regardless of how you may phrase it lol. The advice to just put up an ad is a good one. It is also a good idea to do what most other sps do, who go one step beyond just putting up an ad: They read other ads, they read websites, and they read what people are saying on forums. They learn what people complain about and take steps to not do those things. They learn what people rave about, and strive to do those things. They learn what are their personal limits, and then they find out how many people will call them out to 'test' them. They learn how to provide good customer service without being a pushover. There is a lot of information you can get for those main three questions simply by reading one site with an etiquette page, and one recommendation with enough details. I think you are attempting to make this far more complex than it needs to be. Everything you want to know to get started, no one can just 'teach' that kind of thing. YOu need to know what works for you specifically. There are a couple of websites with some basics, like spoc, chezstella and tradesecrets. http://tradesecretsguide.blogspot.ca/

The one thing they don't do is explain where exactly all these sex workers are living/staying during this time. Isn't 10,000, 20,000, 40,000 a LOT of individual people? Even at 10 per room, doesnt' that mean, in a time of accomodation crunch, they have somehow managed to find 1,000-4,000 places to stay? Is that even possible? The 100,000 was a big stretch too. I know it's Texas, but that's a lot of people.

Chlamydia is very common tho, already. As is syphillis. I think the main problem is that someone who does think it OK to do bbfs is not someone who is getting regular checkups and treatments for any pre existing conditions. Just as people may 'hook up' with non-sex workers, as that is unlikely to involve any protection at all, they too are unlikely to be tested unless they get symptoms. And those are also the people who hire sex workers, who do provide the uncovered services. An sp may be tested monthly or every 3 months, but that is testing, not protection. Risks are minimized by use of protection, and that would be the same goal in sex work as any other worker gets safety equipment. Not using hard hats or wearing steel toed boots can get you fired off a job site; so if regulated in this industry, not usind condoms for most sex acts would result in loss of employment and/or fines.

But there are indeed places where there are laws that regulate sex work, and in no country will a sex worker be forced to provide services against her own consent. Employers simply do not have the power to force them.. It has been written into the regulations, in fact, that sex workers have the final say about who they will or will not see. In this country, at least right now I believe there are laws against procuring, meaning the agency cannot be involved with promising sexual services to clients on behalf of the sps. The provide an escort for companionship, but to suggest they can assure and promise the sp will deliver sexual services would be against the law. It would be interesting to see how it will be enforced, in the example you suggest. I think you will find there are few courts who will be willing to get involved in such cases.

I just want to point out that coercian is against the laws regarding sex work. If this particular law is not one of the ones up for removal, then it will continue. If this is the case, then NO one will be able to force any sp into providing services to anyone for ANY reason. There won't be any human tribunal cases, or law suits due to discrimination of race, age or religion, because it will all come down to the sp's right to choose her clients. That is a problem for an agency owner, but it isn't really any more problematic than any other rule or restriction an sp will have. She may say cbj only, the agency owner says, oh, but bbbjs are more popular and 80% of our clients want that so you have to provide that. Well, most agency owners don't do that, they respect the restrictions and limitations that the sp have for their own comfort. Maybe an sp doesn't want to see anyone under 25. Whatever the restricition or condition might be, the booker is always going to be facing having to advise the caller of the sp's conditions. I don't know of any good way to let people know about this. I do know that when it is posted about particular sps (or even a group of sps, as I have seen in the past) the reaction is usually mixed. But it is not ever as extreme as we might assume. Many white posters are outraged, and just as many black (or brown!) posters shrug and say, no worries. We don't know this sp's reasons for her choice, but I doubt if she is going to be the only one who brings this up. So maybe having a policy or process for it might be a good thing. In my area, a few years ago, I had many Indo-Canadian callers who asked if I was "ok" with seeing them. Many sps refused or simply didn't answer their calls.

That is quite an achievement!

I would just point out to anyone that if the sp puts a phone # in the ad, she has to expect that the guy did read the ad, and probably did view the site if there is one, but there is no reason to assume the guy is looking at the ad when he calls. Most of the people I deal with I would say pick a phone call only sp because they are not next to the computer/ad site when they do have a chance to call. They are often driving from point A to point B. I can't imagine they would be able to remember all the details of the ads like rates/services, etc, so am happy to provide them. I will ask what ad they saw because some ads have pics, some do not. If I know they know what I look like, age, etc, then I am ready to just focus on rates. There is no doubt in my mind that providing customer service on the phone call increases my calls and shows over someone who is abrupt on the phone, won't tell the caller anything, and/or tells them go look at the ad and hangs up on them lol. It is legal to discuss these things, I don't see any real need to be coy about what is offered or not, or any reason why a client should not be able to be given the info. I would rather he hear it from me than rely on his memory about what he thinks he saw in my ad, only to show up and he had really remembered the ad by someone who offers completely different kinds of things than I do. Communication is the key to successful sessions, imo. If that means I spend 30 seconds on the phone running thru rates/services so be it. I do cut calls short when it seems like the person wants everything repeated (three times) and/or specific details that go beyond the basic info.

I don't understand if the one hour call is her benchmark of 'serious' why instead she doesn't just require the confirming call one hour beforehand rather than two hours. If the person did pickup, what does that really tell her? To me it just tells me they were able to answer the phone and continue to tell me their 'story' that they are coming over to see me lol. It's like blocked # vs unblocked #s. Blacklists and DNB lists are filled with #s from people who do the things the unblocked # callers are supposedly guilty of. So as a screening method for sincerity, no unblocked #s policy doesn't solve everything.

OH, almost missed this. Happy birthday, hope it was a good one. :)

I haven't read the rest here, but I have to point out something regardless of the children from the first marriage.: This relationship has lasted longer than his first one. 30 years they have been together. I don't know about anything else, but this is not a 'fling' and I don't see the lady trying to take advantage at this point (she is 60, not 40, if you see what I mean). It is never a good idea, tho, to cut other family members out of a will because it opens it up to being contested. If he is in ill health I can see she would take steps to ensure she will not have any interruptions in accessing anything for extended care or in the case he passes. My mother got access to her mother's accounts a few years before my grandmother's death, and it just allowed a seamless transition. House bills and utilities and expenses still need to be paid, fwiw.

Picture collectors are notorious. And what is sad is that some new sps will actually reply with them, then wonder what they did wrong when that guy still doesn't make an appt. Stuff on the internet is there for EVER. Sending more revealing pics thru email is always a mistake. You don't ever know who is really at the other end of that email. Your boss. Your neighbour tryiing to verify, is that really an sp next door. Oh, yeah, it is. Your brother. Your competition, who will then plaster the face pics all over the internet with slanderous statements. and more. If you show face pics in your ads, you have taken control of them. If you send them anonymously to someone anonymous, you don't really know what they will do with them. Before the internet ads, no one really had pictures to go by. No sps used them, no clients expected them. Then one pic showed in one ad. That was great, until the next ad had 3, so guy goes back to ad #1 and demands more pics. Then websites have multiple picture galleries. So guy goes back to ad #2 and demands more pics. And then the galleries weren't enough, so now we have to use face pics. Then face pics aren't enough, and now sps have to either have videos in ads or on their site, or allow webcam chat showing the face, OR NOW they have to accept the request to film the session or the client taking pics. I just tell guys who ask for more pics that at my age and stats in my ad, if the person is relying on pics to make their decision, to find someone else. I am never interested in seeing anyone who is only interested in that, and not the tone of my ads, and the sound of my voice, and the description of what I provide. I agree with Samantha that I think in order to be able to do this service for more than a minute, the sp/mpa are attractive. Maybe that sp is not that particular client's 'type", but even he would normally admit that definitely by societal standards, the majority of sps are above average in looks facially at least.

And 3. If she was drugged, who is to say she did it to herself? There is a real possibility a prior client brought something like wine for example, drugged, and left her groggy and disoriented. In any situation, it seems like if the person is in such extreme and noticeable condition, the best approach is to ask if she is ok. And did she take anything herself, and if so what was it. And if it was something brought, where is it. I know not everyone wants to get 'involved' but this activity isn't illegal, and there is no harm in assisting someone who may need assistance.

It's can be hard to separate hair from sexual. Longer hair is often imagined to be more sexy or on a more sexual woman (or man lol) than shorter hair. Not sure if that kind of perception changes with trends or fashion or style. I am not sure too many would not find these women attractive even without hair.

I will have to just say I think the current user note coupled with anything that may or may not already be available in the private sp area is far above what many other sites have to offer their sp members. And it doesn't have to get more complicated than it already is. I think a client asking for a referral and hearing an awkward pause is pretty much the same as the sp asking for a reco. Consider asking for one, but then that the answer may not be what you want to hear. Better to just let the sp do it or not do it, at her discretion. She may be an sp who doesn't want to publicize who she sees. Or she may only do so if the client posts a reco of her, so that she knows she has his implicit agreement to do it. I know the idea has become quite popular on the Alberta review site. I am not exactly sure how they work it, I don't have access, but Calgary/Edmonton, etc really have a bylaws issue that makes referrals very important, and yet the time it takes to go thru references, etc, makes it cumbersome. Their system seems to work like the user notes suggestion here, just a confirmation the sp reviewed saw that client, and recommends him to other sp members.

I didn't see that one, but I think that the CSI Las Vegas one did a fairly interesting take on a brothel in Nevada for a show. It looked like the characters came right off of Cathouse, so for reality, it was pretty darn good. Jennifer Love Hewitt did a movie based on a true story, The Client List (soccer mom gets a job at a massage parlour and finds out she's got a knack for it lol), and now they apparently turned it into an actual series. A long time ago I used to help edit people's novels, so I know how books get submitted to publishers. I have only a handful of times seen a movie or TV show have a proper manuscript prop. Almost without exception they use a standard script as a prop, which might be 120 pages, is bound and has a cover. Most manuscripts are 250-400 loose pages, so either a very large envelope or box would be the most likely container. I always wonder, if the main character or important character in the story is supposed to be a writer, then why doesnt anyone producing this take the time to get the correct props? So if they can't manage to do something so simple and easy to check, I have no trouble believing they cannot possibly get something as complex as sp/client, agency, mps or the idea that there are a ton of service providers out there who never do more than a hj.

I don't think I would generalize too much with younger guys. I think younger people in general, with casual sex encounters, are not using protection. I think by the time a younger man reaches early 20s and if he chooses to see an sp, he has progressed a bit more. I don't hear very many younger guys expressing that they have issues with condoms, or have any problems going all the way using them. Whereas I will see older guys for massage only sessions (as in HJ finish) because they do feel either real or imagined problems while wearing a condom. Younger men seem to be accustomed to how it feels wrapped up. On the handful of times the topic has come up, it has only ever been older gentlemen who were not born in Canada. A couple of time on the phone call, (who I didn't see), and fewer times in person, during covered sex as it happens, and with the assurance that their now retired regular did it (and consider that on two occasions two different guys mentioned the exact same provider) which I chalked up to lack of education about sexual health provided in her country of origin.