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You may be on the right track. But there are other things: lots of ads with 'no restrictions', or "I'll do anything' or how they party, or are a freak, or you can do anything. You mix in regular ads with those sorts of ads, plus the trend for more and more and more (so bbbj isn't enough, now it has to be cim, and cim isn't enough, so now it has to be swallow. All those things have high risk, but it isn't enough the sp risks her health with bbbj (manageable) but the implication is they won't get work until they also do cim and swallow, so all the ads talk about all that, and greek too). So what is left if half the ads say they'll do anything. And what new ways to find out just how far some sps will go to get that $$? So the guys ask about bbfs, and sure enough, there are enough new sps out there who are clueless enough and also think they are going to lose that appt if they don't agree, just like so many figure they lost business without the bbbjcimsw And then there are the sps out there with lower than average rates, so how do they pump up that rate back up to the average rate in their area? An extra 40 for the bbbj, and another extra 40 for the bbfs. And yes, I have seen more than one sp put that in their ads, and if I thought the ads might be faked to drive her out of business with nuisance calls, well the same info was on her website.

Thx, WiT, I had read that somewhere not that long ago. It must be one of those urban legends that 2 condoms is riskier than one. It might reduce sensation significantly tho, and probably will increase the duration of activity which in itself could be a problem.

I've been quite frustrated myself in trying to buy different sized condoms off the shelf. But online isn't much better. I always thought Magnum XL were called XL because they were a larger XL sized condom. But they aren't. All they are is about 1in longer than the Magnum condom. This does nothing if the reason you wanted an XL or XXL condom is for width. And the same goes for smaller ones. I have seen something called snugger fit, which is about 1/4 inch smaller in width than an average size condom. But good luck finding it on the shelf. And as far as those XLs go, I couldn't find them anywhere in my area, only across the border in Washington. And now, I can't even find them there.

10 celphones!

I like your idea of leaving a tip. I think that would certainly be a great idea. Plus, consider the possibility of extending the date, take advantage of the free hour, and bring enough for an added half hour perhaps? If you think you'd like to try msog and she is an msog provider, the extra time might be what you need to relax and enjoy the experience. And make it possible, lol I see it was with an agency, but if you already know who it is you will be seeing, take the time to get to 'know' her. Check out her profile/ad/page, and if there are any recos. She is a 'win' but may not have been someone you have researched before, but I think you will have a better chance of connecting if you are either able to correspond with her prior to the meeting (unlikely with agencies?) or take the time to find out more about her.

She should be able to use features the phone service already provides to block someone from calling her. Each phone call received, she also needs to press *57, then after a few of those calls are reported with *57, she then needs to get the # blocked. Tell her to not take "oh we can't do that" as an answer from the (assuming cel phone) phone company. They certainly can. If it is a landline, it is very much simpler. She simply uses *60 to block specific #s, and she can use that for block calls as well. Anyone receiving that many calls within a short period of time can show intent. If there are texts received, she needs to record, copy, save the history. If she receives harrassing emails, keep a record as well, then start blocking the emails as they arrive. Some email accounts have easy blocking set up, others may take some digging to figure out how to block. And definitely, she needs to report this person immediately and without delay, to start a file. It doesn't matter that this is another sp doing this, the process she needs to go thru would be the same if sp or problem client. Once she gets the basics of how to record and report, then she will be able to handle anyone else that happens her way. The worst possible thing to do is to allow it to continue, by doing nothing. Doing nothing would include not blocking the nuisance calls from clogging up her phone line, imo. Some sps change their phone #, but once the # is in ads, it starts up again anyway so not much point in that.' I have a feeling that if/when the problem sp gets a call or visit from LE, they'll think twice about treating your friend like a victim. Let's face it, some people are idiots. Some people manage to take offense when nothing was ever done to them. Some people have impulse control issues, or alcohol problems, or who knows what. The thing with this person is they aren't going to go away. Some people actually need someone else (like LE) to come up to them and tell them to stop doing something. They think because they can do something, and get away with it, it is OK. Best way to deal with a bully is to not allow them to get away with it. We don't know what this person is capable of if they feel like they aren't getting their way. Once they realize that LE is involved, and they would be the first person contacted if anything happens, they might take a step back.

Sometimes it is difficult to explain this subject, because of those laws mentioned, a lot of people do consider prostitution illegal. However, exchanging sexual services (which cover a wide varieity of activities) for money is legal. Discussing the rates for sexual services, and the details of those services is legal provided you don't discuss this in public. The condition of the discussion being illegal is based entirely on the words "in a public place" as in where there would be no expectation of privacy. Some cities crack down on sp's who offer incall, but in all cases, an sp who comes to your home or hotel room is doing this legally. As far as the original post is concerned, imo, you are violating the law of public solicitation/communication if you are discussing these activities and the charges for them with the ladies in a public place (a party). You may also be aiding in someone violating the law against procuring (as in a 3rd party is providing you with access to sps to hire). You should confine your discussion to phone calls, emails or in private one on one. You would be best to visit sps who advertise their services on advertising sites (like this one). And especially if you plan to recommend anyone, they should be people who do advertise themselves as sps. As opposed to a woman who will consider an offer of money now and then in exchnage for an agreement to have sex, if you see what I mean. There is this shady aspect of meeting non-sps at parties and arranging for them to become prostitutes (as in you offer them money to visit you for the purpose of having sex, but they are not prostitutes per se). I kind of think that may be you procuring, and again, I would urge you to not approach random females at parties and offer them money for sex if you wish to avoid legal entanglements if you end up approaching the wrong woman lol.

Lots of people are going to visit the profile of someone who posts in the lounge, or someone who just joins the site. If someone just looked at it, then it would be a bit presumptuous to send them a note suggesting they come and visit. Some long time members will post a note on the profile saying hello, or welcome, or nice pics. A followup pm sending contact info would be a bit like jumping the gun lol. They haven't asked for info, nor suggested they want any. This is a friendly site, and a lot of the time people just want to encourage a new member to post and join in discussions. If someone comments on your profile, I think the nice thing to do, is go to theirs and say your thank you or hello back to them there. And in those situations, then no, you wouldn't suggest they come and visit you soon, or include your info. I think even if the recipient wasn't put off by that, other people reading it tend to be (I think we've seen such posts before and thought, hmmm, that's kind of borderline solicitation) Better to err on the side of caution, imo.

I have heard they are very effective means of advertising to those who do not read recos or forums at all, and may not even notice the listed ads. I imagine they give that person a signal that this is a provider who is going to be around for a while, which is good information.

I don't understand why they aren't addressing the reason they were called there in the first place: that they received a call about a female being threatened. I am also not sure how or why they decided she 'appeared to be' living in a bawdy house. Shouldn't they be doing a lot more investigation before dragging her into court? Was it a false report by someone in a competing group? I think this would be an idea case for advocacy groups to redirect attention back to the real issue at hand. Why aren't the police investigating the report.

This is true. I don't commit anyone to specific times, and no one can expect me to commit to specific times. There is a process to confirm a time and it is always on the same day and when ready. They can call and suggest some general time of day, and I can reply with information about whether I will be around or out at that time, and hopefully we meet in the middle. I never reserve a specific time of day for someone, but I am willing to compromise and not run off to do errands at that time of day if they think they will be able to see me. Most of my clients understand that short notice doesn't mean no notice, and that once they have said they are on the way, I will be here to answer the door for them. but I don't think you can expect to ask about timing the day before, and then just run off to her area and expect to call her on the spot, dex. If you call before you venture out, talk to her, give your ETA, then yes, she should be answering within that short period of time that passed between your call and your arrival.

I think they would have a hard time proving that it is only for non-sexual companionship. But reality is at the end of the day, they don't have to prove anything. They simply flag the name, and turn her away at the border. They don't have to let anyone in, and if she decides to contest it, how is she going to prove she is not a sex worker? And why would she go to that trouble and exposure, knowing that she is one, and if they wanted to it would be fairly easy to find reviews on her services as well.

I would like to point out that if the majority of ladies want to work in such places as decribed, they already can. Massage parlours already offer up that sort of environment. But the majority of independent sps do not work in a massage parlour and with the law changes, will not run off to work in a brothel.. I think the media continues to help perpetuate a myth of these laws creating brothels on every corner, when the reality there are already licensed establishments for body work. All that will happen in your massage parlours is that the body work would be able to include FS sessions as well as hj, and that the licenses will be more likely to be requested than they are now. But no, indy sps, are not going to clock in with an employer, and face fees and fines and whatever else an employer decides she should do with her body and time. A 'bawdy house' does not mean an actual multiple room structure, it simply means a place where the act of prostitution takes place on a regular basis. Meaning, my incall, used by one person (myself) is a bawdy house, so in the words of the media and govt, I have a opened a brothel in my spare room. And yet no one has noticed, in all this time.

In addition to the reasons given by Luxie and Angela, and others, there is a very practical reason for sps to require #s from their clients and potential clients. For myself, I remember numbers. When someone has called me 5 times, never booked, I know when they call #6. I can now ask them what is it that draws them to my ad, over and over, but never book. We can have a conversation about it, or they hang up and stop bothering me. When someone has seen me at least 3 times, I recognize the # and who will be showing up at the door. It's just good customer service to be able to see the #, and say hello to the person you know, how are you, and you know you appreciate it when the lady you repeat with knows who you are when you call. With a block #, or payphone caller, that isn't always possible. (it is sometimes possible, I do see a few people via block # or payphones, it is not an issue for me, but when two guys named 'jonny' both use block phones, and one is the guy who shows up and the other is the guy who books and no shows, then yes, block #s are damn annoying and used by time wasters, and there is no way to screen between one block and another block.) Scheduling is also affected. One day I had 3 blocked # callers all call to ask about appts in the near future, two of them actually made appts, to call when in the area (the appts at different times). After their ETAs came and went, I finally got a blocked# caller checking if I can see him now. Thinking he was one of the other 2 appts, later than he'd planned to be, checking in to see if it is ok to come by now, I give it to him no problem. But it turns out, he wasn't any of the previous callers, he was a 4th person, and the call he had just made was the first one he'd made to me that day. However, he showed up, and after a bit of confusion on everyone's part, the appt went fine. So if you insist on using block # to set up an appt, you can expect that the sp will encounter just as much confusion when out of the blue some other guy who is nearby calls her up on his own block #, she thinks it is you, and when you do show up, she isn't answering her phone.

This happens often, actually. Definitely not a one time event, by one person, on rare occasions lol. While this happened to Emerald yesterday (I am guessing) the same thing happened to me yesterday as well. The person is 30 minutes away, makes an appt, and is asked to call from some cross streets here for the address. They call to say they are there, they get the full address, and directions, and they say they have GPS. NOW they tell me they are going to pop into the store there to use the ATM. Now, do I have to tell everyone who calls, do NOT make an appt until/unless you already KNOW you have the funds to follow thru. I don't know if the ATM trip was successful or not. The guy did not show up, nor did he call to cancel, and these cross streets were about 8 blocks from my front door.

I had forgotten I was going to mention that the paid side and top banner ads are the best way to be a paid advertiser and get top spots all the time. I've always disliked the concept of some get top spot because they pay for it, and others do not because they are on a free ad site (when the ads are in the same section, that is). To me the banner ads side and top is the best and most fair solution. And there is no better way to have your ads stand out, as they are much more colourful and eyecatching than the listings of the free ads sections.

I think most guys would, and they will pay attention to the dates on the ads when posted. If they visit less than once a day, more likely they will scan thru ads over several pages. cerb might like to implement a bumping feature. That is something done on many different advertising sites, where the sp/mp posts one single ad, then daily (2x a day here), they go to their ad, click on the Bump (or Renew) button, and voila, it is top posted with current date and time, and does not fill the pages up. When bumping is done, the ads rotate rather than push older ads further and further away from page one. It is hard to describe but fantastically efficient. I should mention that most of these same sites have timers on the bump/renew feature. So if there must be a certain minimum wait time, that is worked into the countdown clock.

As tough as this is sometimes to be said and to be heard, this is the reality of what we do. For example, I do a lot of massage and happy ending, as do all mpas I believe. So are we not also providing a loving and sexy touch to someone, but are we also during this massage and hj expecting to be aroused and intimate at the same time? It doesn't make sense to me that sps expect to be aroused, or expect that the encounters are not primarily about the client's needs. An sp who forgets who is the client and who is the provider might end up very confused when that client, who always had a great time with her, stops calling one day. It's about customer service, a good attitude, etc. It is not about which clients give me orgasms, if it were then I would be in the wrong line of work. And I think this gets missed a LOT. This is sex work, we are sex workers. We are not girlfriends or FWBs or anything else. Men (and women) come to see me to avoid judgment and expectations. They come because they do not want to have to impress anyone, or at least some of them do. What of the minority of men who do have PE and ED? Are they going to be disappointed because they know and understand that it is unlikely that I will get to that required level of arousal to make it 'real"? I hope not, because primarily I am there for their needs, and to provide solutions for their reality. Not for my reality. If something happens, cool, but if not, well, then if I have an SO that is where I plan to get my selfish needs on. But when someone pays me real money, hard earned money, or saved up for a special treat, then why shouldn't the focus be on him? We provide a fantasy service, just because it is sexual in nature doesn't make it love and romance. You can't rent or buy love and romance, but you can rent sexual services in a fantasy setting. I do not understand why an sp would assume she has to have a connection, be aroused or even have orgasms to be fully involved, and therefore cannot provide while in a relationship. A professional companion understands the difference, but we do see a number of talented amatuers put up a sign and collect a fee, without this basic understanding. The clients know the difference between sex and love. So as sps/mps it is even more important that we understand the difference as well.

I think the chief is using the example as a terrific case of fear mongering. It is highly unlikely that online ads will result in drug paraphenalia on people's lawns, but somehow he makes that connection lol.

To a certain extent yes, but a vast majority seem to be convinced that it is illegal for them to do so, and they use the standard US clause of money spent is for time and companionship only deal. I can know established sps don't want to do a set menu of expected services, but the ones referred to are usually the ones who won't even admit sexual services are provided lol

janice has a sister Christy who is also very similar in appearance, and yes the vancouver ad section on cerb does have a number of great choices. http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=107 Just set it so that it shows more than just the last 2 months of ads.

I can honestly say I have never watched the movie. Nor have I seen Titanic. I agree Redford is a damn handsome man, but can't say I have ever found Streisand at all attractive. This match tho, Barefoot in the Park, is a pretty pair:

I have other work that I do, with website, advertising, etc, and I agree other companies to cold call to offer me their services. But they do this knowing that it is a wholesale company and the company accepts CCs, so they have done some research on the idea that what they have to offer is an alternative to what I already use. They want to offer a different CC processing and assure they can do it for less. They want to offer a different phone service and assure they can save me money, etc. The guys sandi talks about are doing mass emails to sps, regardless of anything they have researched. Does she offer outcalls? No. Then why email her offering service as a driver. Does she already have pro pics? Then by all means, send an email with your professional expertise, website, samples, references and contact info, but don't cold call her if you are offering her photography service, show her what you can do. And I don't think most sps assume these offers are to be in exchange for free sexual services. Those offers are a different thing altogether, they do come in for sure of course. The ones sandi is talking about are the ones who want to actually be paid, because now apparently living off the avails in a 'non-exploitive' way is legal or going to be legal lol. So they don't have to offer service for service trades now, they can actually make a buck. Fine, fair enough, but advertise those services. IF I am looking for someone because I need those services, I will do what any client does, either post my request for suggestions or look at ads. If I am sent an unsolicited text, phone call, email or pm, I will simply hang up, delete or ignore, because I am not looking until I'm looking.

Can you do an outcall where the sp comes to you? That way you don't have to be as concerned about locations. I have a friend who I am trying to encourage to join and post on here. Tila Jaye who is working in Toronto now, but I am not familiar with locations either. will pm email address.