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This is true. fwiw, far too many of the active female posters on this board are starting to keep quiet, based on the negative reaction towards their comments, concerns and points of view. One would caution the knee jerk reaction of claims that sps are jealous of other sps and that is the reason behind recent discussions and posts. When opinions are attacked, the sps disappear. When their concerns are not considered important, they disappear. This isn't a complaint just an observation. Seen it happen before, and seen it happen here recently. I think some of the more active sp posters, well, I think we can all 'not see' their reaction.

Interesting recap, but in the end, isn't it also important to note: What if the ones are correct about everything they are saying about these threads? How is it wrong to be right, in other words, and why should the ones pointing out the problems be considered the biggest problem? That is shoot the messenger kind of stuff, and very typical of a non-friendly forum approach. On some sites, if an sp has an opinion, it will be trashed and discredited because she is not a reviewer. Hopefully, we don't see that reaction to people who post on the general topics, who have an opinion to share, and also have a vested interest in keeping the site on friendly grounds, but see some threads as unnecessarily antagonistic towards them, the site rules, and common sense. It is especially bad when someone does something, gets a pretty good sized (negative) reaction from a good sized number of posters, then literally thumbs their noses at the crowd with the claim since it isn't against the rules posted, they can and will do it anyway, general opinon be damned.

Well, to be frank, what led to this SP to be so pissed off? It is a bit contradictory to suggest that a pissed off SP doesn't have a good reason to report a guy, and that it could be malicious and unwarranted. Most SPs don't get pissed off with a client who didn't do something wrong, imo. If a guy is a chronic NS/NC, and one pissed off SP posts about him (maliciously or not lol), there will be 16 others who had the same experience with him, or possibly contacted the same day or week with the same requests. If it was a one time thing, and typically the guy is a decent non-game playing client, there will be a completely different set of posts with sps sharing their experiences with the same guy. Anyone new to him can balance the information. SPs using blacklist reporting are not frivolous nor malicious about it. But that is usually because the sps in blacklist private sp areas are professional experienced providers, not flakes. There is an upside and a downside to providers being professional and reliable. There is going to be more requiring standard business practise information, such as references, cancelation fees, and 24-48 cancelation policies and bookings. If your time is also valuable, it would be a benefit to the clients to undergo this type of set up, as the likelihood of that sp 'forgetting' or sleeping thru an appt time, or not answering the phone at the appt time, or any other problem that the less professional and less reliable sps subjec their clients to can be nearly eliminated.

I'm not sure there is much different that could have been done. It is no surprise that you were surprised by his reaction and comments. Very confusing, especially given the fact he is a member and has access to recos and your ads and posts and numerous pics. I think as sps when we hear a really lame and clearly false excuse, we tend to get more assertive. Also his behaviour was erratic and somewhat aggressive. It's natural to expect and ask for compensation for what seems to have been a clear and deliberate attempt to waste her time, and/or get to find her location and see what she looks like without commiting to paying for her time. It's not as if a cerb member wouldn't know this might be an issue, and that it would be the right thing to do. I would suggest just remain calm, make sure you keep a distance between you and him, and assure him that he is not obliged to stay. And maybe adding 'considering the time we have both spent in arranging this, compensation for my time would be appreciated." Its non confrontational (kind of) and allows you to let it go if he flat out refuses, saving you from having an argument about it and possibly escalating his erratic behaviour. At the same time, you are reminding him that he chose to make an appt based on a lot of information he had access to, more than other clients have when they come to see you. It puts the onus on him to accept responsibility for that, rather than try to blame you for not meeting his expectations.

You weren't, though, introducing a topic of discussion of a foreign adventure. I think if you were, it would have been about the search for an escort in London, the process of that research, the laws and typical experiences one might expect in that country, and then the invitation for others to add their expertise or questions. This is clearly posted as a reco of a particular sp, as was the additional reco posted below it, and then both the additional recos with follow up appts. I do not understand the confusion here. Most people agree it is a reco, and agree this is the General Discussion area, and that no one posts recos (or looks for them for that matter) in the General Discussion area. How valuable is this thread supposed to be for someone who might be interested in an adventure in London? Wouldn't it be more likely that person would look within the recommendation sections? Based on the location of the thread, it may have a lot of views because people think it is a topic of discussion, perhaps a news story or documentary about an sp located in another country, and perhaps they want to know about escorting in England. Number of views isn't really the point.

^^ and adding to this above: - BE HUMBLE. Arrogance, sense of entitlement, and attitude are really unattractive no matter how beautifully you may be packaged. You may be paying, but the sp has chosen to see you and you are her guest. Act like a human.

Very cool, and very well deserved.

\ Definitely there is that to be said. Many guys who complain about encounters, well right there you have it, they may simply be negative people and it would take an incredible effort for anyone to impress this sort of person. A nitpicker will find fault in everything, or complain about the things the sp never advertised nor promised, yet because the session lacked these things it is somehow her fault and not his for choosing to see her. And that is where the 'take a hard look' comes in. Is the guy trying to see sps who are simply not suited for the type of encounter he wants/needs? Is he deciding based only on one thing, (whether it service, attitude, price, whatever screening requirements she has) in some misguided hope that he will eventually find someone rather than simply provide what is necessary to increase his chances of seeing that one? And how many have such high and unrealistic expectations on first appts? Many sps are wary of new clients, from the time they book and may no show, to their arrival and may withold payment, to the time during the session when they may push boundaries, to the end when they may try to retrieve some of the donation, to afterwards when it turns out the were a reviewer who didn't like anything they did, even tho he was the one who chose to make an appt with her. On 2nd visits, a lot can change. Usually for the better, because none of the baggage is in the way. For example, I recently read a review of myself that was lukewarm, yet covered all of the things that I am and do. Everything I advertise, and what I would have told him on the phone. However, he decided to see me based not on anything provided (including a short review from someone who saw me and described me as I do myself) but based on forum posts. Then complained about it, including my conversation. And yet, I am to believe he came for the conversation? lol. For the right person, all of the things the reviewer found fault with (including a comment about how I look like my posted age was turned with negative tone lol). He was not the right person. Look at other reviews by the same person, altho he doesn't mind someone older, they are all thin by comparison. Altho he tolerates massage, a sensual massage start is not how he defines a good encounter, and yet that is exactly what my ad states, my conversation states, and my in person discussion states, and, for that matter, reviews he would have read state. So the moral of the story is: don't see a sensual massage curvy provider if your preferred session is a PSE encounter with a skinny woman. But if you do, for heaven's sake, take ownership on that and don't blame the sp if you can't figure out a ymmv to improve it.

I am not sure. I am usually just really uncomfortable with the idea that any 18 year old is so sexually proficient, and up to date with std information, that she can provide safely and skillfully. Even to the point of client screening, they are more likely to treat the biz like a joke (or a way to pay for clubbing and shopping) and not take even simple precautions. In Vancouver if someone wants to work for an agency, they have to be minimum 19 (legal age to go into a drinking establishment, also, as agency sps tend to be designated as 'escorts'). It occurs to me that someone should be 19 before attempting this business. They should have been out of high school for at least a year, and/or have some other kind of work experience before choosing to do this.

Tho I haven't tried, I think you'd be surprised that the sensation may be preferable for a very sensitive woman to use the barrier. As many guys may be too rough, too aggressive, too fast, this can protect her from being over stimulated. For the OP, I don't think I've seen too many sps that offer daty, but not kissing. I have seen the other way around, but to do daty and not kissing, I don't see any rational much for that other than personal reasons as mentioned (saving for SO) or concern about colds and flu bugs.

Is the add reputation points feature disabled in the Reco threads? Because if not, I have absolutely no idea why that cannot simply be used for the irrelevant comments that seem to be posted and seem to be posted for the sole purpose of top posting that particular thread. If someone is not using that as a way to say 'thx', or 'good job' or anything other than to add their own personal experiences (and I don't mean a recap of something they've already posted), then I don't see how anyone could see it as anything but deliberate hanky panky.

Flowers are nice, the best are singles like a rose. I enjoy them while they are 'alive' then i will dry them and keep them in a vase with other dry roses. I received cookies that are made in a specific place in Japan by a traveling client once, and those had meaning for him which also made them special to me. Plus tasty lol. Someone mentioned don't bring wine without asking, and I agree. I don't drink and I would REALLY prefer is someone was NOT knocking back 2 glasses of wine within a half hour, then popping into their car to drive back to anywhere.

I noticed that I rarely start threads. I should say that I am so often overwhelmed by all the activity on this site it takes me many hours to go thru the pages and pages of new posts, and even if I only select a few to read, there is always so many interesting things to see and possibly comment on. Sometimes I am late to the party, tho, and the topic is closed lol. So my topic of the day is something I am going to copy from part of a sentence posted. Now, I think we have all seen a similar request, on many sites and thru many years, but it is how it was dealt with that concerns me most about this one. So typically, when an sp knows you might post a reco/review somewhere, and specifically says this, what is it you would do? After a short description of who, what and where, the end of the post is this And my question is based on the second part of that sentence, and the numerous replies to it, which was: Does anyone else get disturbed by the fact that the OP is going to provide details the sp specifically asked him not to, not that she said 'don't make it public', but that she said 'don't do it".? And as I mentioned, this is definitely not specific to cerb, as I have seen it happen quite a few times. There are some exceptions, where the OP says he isn't providing details, then a bunch of posts follow asking him to send pms with specifics, to which he comes back and says, even more firmly and a bit annoyed, that he isn't going to do that because she asked him not to.

his ad is being ghosted. This is common with people who post with accounts that are set up outside of the city they post a new ad in. Also, he may encounter getting his account blocked entirely if he tries to post in a new city. CL doesn't permit cross city posting, so it can be problematic to get an ad posting up if you travel. he should probably consider an alternative ad site for the time being, and not risk his CL account getting blocked entirely.

If you are able to get an erection 'at home', then that covers that issue. If it is just in session, then there are a few options. The main one is stop thinking inside the box, and go only for hj and/or bj (but with a FS provider). This is someone that you are going to keep visiting a few times, you will be 'working your way towards" FS. If your first couple of visits are stress free of performance worries, as in if you aren't trying to do FS there is no need to worry about erection, you can relax and enjoy the process. Make sure who you choose is willing to provide GFE non-full service so that eventually she is going to be able to carry on when you are ready to try FS, plus you have all the GFE fun without the stress of performance in FS Also remind yourself that sps don't judge. It isn't that important to us how you cum as long as you do, so you don't need to be concerned about 'impressing' us with proficiency and/or stamina in FS. For myself I would rather that you were relaxed and cumming in a hj than stressed and anxioius and not cumming in FS attempts. i also find a lot of newcomers get more anxious when a condom is involved, i imagine it makes them think even more about what is about to happen. So going with hj only, no condom involved, eliminates that barrier to finishing as well. You don't even have to be fully erect to cum with hj, for example. Once you get comfortable with an sp, you will be able to start doing or trying FS. You may also want to choose an sp who does erotic massage to start sessions. When the mind and the body are relaxed, you are more likely to be ready for a more erotic encounter.

Obviously I don't know anything, but you need to be really careful with ads that say 18. Most underagers post as 18, and most professional sps with experience are not going to be just advertising on CL. So as a precaution, you should look for other ads on other sites, and just take a really hard look at how the ad is written. If you do decide to book, let her know you will expect to see ID. She can cover her real name, but pic and age date should be visible. Other than that, the fact she offers incall is another clue, and you can decide if the building or area is a good one or shady one.

If you brought me a 'package' of gummy worms I'd be pretty satisfied.

Consider a corner store, before debit machines, or the fact that many smaller stores like that don't use debit. All cash all the time. I've never quite followed the implication that with sex work bein g all cash that there is something really odd about that and that no other business out there is all cash either lol.. The only difference between the corner store and an sp is the corner store has products and a cash register that registered every purchase. The use of debit and credit cards to buy a latte from Starbucks or milk from the corner store is a fairly new concept.

I am not sure you need to register as a business, as you can simply file your taxes as self employed or I think someone mentioned as an entertainer.

Quote from a new client (today): "I'm 55, and I have no interest in seeing someone who is 25. Which is why I called you." A lot of ads show 25 and under, even when the actual age is mid 30s. I think they would be surprised at the number of calls that would come in if a more mature age was used in ads. For one thing, there is a good demand for over 35s, and a very low supply. Fudging an age to appear younger, leaves the sp competing with actual 30 year olds, but putting 40 in the ad and the calls are steady.

That was exactly what I was going to add (given the other aspects were discussed). I can't think of anything more dangerous than to advertise where you can be found especially not by clients but by the sort of guy who likes to expose sps, and/or get info on them without committing themselves. In a case like that, everything is provided and the client doesn't even have to make a phone call. He can take the blurred face photos in ads, along with the physical description provided, dates, times and the exact location. And if she should have once turned down an appt with him, he will take all that and report her to the front desk. A lot of sps have been evicted from hotel rooms mid-stay when they are suspected or been found out to be working an incall from the hotel room.

I would recommend that people get their sexual health/std information from a trained professional at an std clinic, someone with expertise like nurseman for example. I do NOT recommend asking a GP for advice or information, because frankly I don't think they have the experience necessary to be fully informed.

To a certain extent, rates are set to attract certain clients, as much as to serve as a signal to the potential clients as to what they can expect. Someone who spends a lot on themselves in other ways (5 star restaurant, 5 star hotels, more expensive lifestyle and homes) are going to spend in that 500/hr (or more range) because they are reading the signals. They can be guaranteed (probably) the sp will be in a location that they will be comfortable going to (whether condo or hotel), that she will provide the more luxurious surroundings he is accustomed to. She will be able to afford the attention to details, whether it is simply knowing which are better types of wine or just serving them. For regulars, she probably give expensive gifts for birthdays and/or Christmas/holidays. Most people who do more shopping than I do know there is a big difference in the quality of a designer made item and a knock off or a dollar store equivalent. The clothing is constructed better, and with better quality fabrics. It fits better. Accessories last decades because they are made with more attention to the details. For someone like myself (and probably my clients lol), that difference is not important. For people who are more accustomed to that lifestyle, their surroundings actually do make a difference to how comfortable they are going to be. When an escort understands this difference and caters to that clientele, she is usually successful because there are fewer who do. Meaning she is not competing for clients from the larger pool, but from a smaller market and being one of only a very few for that market to select from, she is usually quite busy in spite of the 'fact' some guys will come up with that she isn't doing more (menu items) than someone who charges 200/hr. Well, that's not usually the point, but also, she is doing more. She is doing what that type of client wants, needs and expects. Which is usually more than simple menu items.

Always assume the release is by hand, nothing more. The extras you can assume only refer to typical massage extras which would be does she allow touching, is she clothed during this, topless, fully nude, possibly accompanied shower. A very few might do 'everything except' full service, but I don't think there are many if any massage only providers who would do this. It would be more likely to be available from someone who does both massage sessions and full service sessions. Most massage providers afaik choose that because there is no expectation of daty, kissing, digits or bjs. Even if she allows reverse massage, you can't assume she is open to anything other than hands on touching. A client would have to be very careful of pushing such services onto an mps either indy or in an mp. Any guy who goes into an mp and expects those activities with any mpa would not be welcome back I imagine.