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Maybe either close the thread and start a new one after you have a chance to select some more accurate terminology? Not sure what to say. I do know that out east, unlike out west, there is a distinction between massage providers (i.e. non-fs all the time) and service providers (i.e. FS available, and massage sessions may or may not be), where as in the west, it is assumed that a massage parlour attendant offers a full range of services, hj, bj, and fs, and the fs may or may not be gfe fs in a massage parlour. So your categories may be more accurate to differentiate between a FS provider, a non-FS provider, and I am thinking also the majority of sp members here are indy, so you can't really ask are they in an mp or private since the default for being a member is usually private. So maybe you just want to ask; MP, SP, client Male, client Female and leave it at that? Also, there are dommes who don't provide massage sessions or FS, but in the eyes of the law, are still sex workers.

I think Monty Python had a big effect on my formative years lol. The reruns were already old but seemed so fresh. I think there are a lot of phrases and skits that have become part of our cultural history, nudge nudge. I hadn't had a chance to see Little Britain, but from the bits I've seen and the description, I am pretty sure it would be my cup of tea. I would have to say that "Idiot Abroad" was a pretty funny show. I'd recommend it for anyone who enjoys travel shows.

I am about to tease you here, yet I am serious at the same time: :) That is why some sp's have minimum age requirements, because an older guy wouldn't think that sp's see everyone and anyone with the cash, nor do they expect her to just because she's an sp. As I said, I playing with you a bit, cuz I'm focusing on this one comment, but at the same time serious, because, frankly, this is an attitude more commonly seen in the younger guys, when they are trying to push their way into seeing an sp who is turning them down, and along the way they will throw in how they should get a discount due to them being younger and therefore hotter than their usual clients. Older guys don't usually assume the sp is going to go mental over their hotliness.

Even tho you feel like the half hour has a rushed feeling, you should always book the half hour option when meeting an sp for the first time. If things are going smoothly, and it looks like extending is an option for both of you, you can opt to extend. If not, you are done anyway at the half hour rate. Just think about the things that worked with your reg, and when contacting an sp let her know. Is it that you like to have a massage to start, or that you like a longer prep time before moving to bj or fs, and let her know your expectations a bit. Sometimes an sp will move things along at a faster pace if she doesn't know you yet and doesn't know if you are one of those guys who does fs for 20 or more minutes and that's why you want the longer session time. That's if you go in and say you aren't looking for msog, for example. I'd say find an sp who does a sensual massage start and see how that works out for feeling less rushed.

I thought we would hear the answer, if for no other reason that in all the couch scenes, she's wearing the ring lol. I was surprised when they left it for a To be Continued, you can view the whole episode with her when she is on the couch, and while not flaunting it, there be a ring on that finger.

I doubt if she would get different results, because one of the common complaints about her is the research methods. I am pretty sure she's considered a big joke.

Even at that point, it would depend on the std. The clinic or health dept here makes it clear that they contact the other sex partners, and let them know that someone came in, tested positive, and they need to get tested. There is no reason why they need to provide a name to the one they are informing. The point is to encourage testing not to get your real name.

To put it another less blunt way, an sp who never provides personal information about the people in her life will never regret not doing it. Just as I would protect the privacy of my clients, so do I protect my own privacy and those of anyone who may be in my life at that time. I'm afraid we will simply have to disagree on this matter. I will never feel that the sessions with regs or new clients suffer from my not providing a life history for them, nor do we share a special bond with it. I will always feel that the sps who get into the most trouble with troublesome clients are the ones where the client is not completely sure of the boundaries, and takes any bit of special information as proof of her love for him. Its just advice I was given when I first started, and has always been part of any advice I pass on to new sps. So many tend to regret having told a new client too much about themselves, and find they have to avoid places or things they used to enjoy when he pops up there all the time.

I sometimes think these doctors feel like they are paying personally for the tests, or they have a max free and more than that is extra. If you have to argue to get testing, I'd worry that the doctor doesn't check off everything you should be tested for, like the weird things you never hear about or hep B or something out of the ordinary. Go to an std clinic and its like they won't let you to turn down anything on their list lol. I'm set up on their system under a pseudonym, no care card, no SIN, nada. If you were working in the country illegally, it is a great option to go there as well. They are interested in promoting testing, they aren't going to discourage you from doing it. They will track the info, because everything can be added to the stats, and the more people get tested, the better health everyone has. I found at the place I go to you have to ask on the first visit for written results, and you do have to go in to pick up the HIV results, whether pos or neg, doesn't matter. Its also sometimes a struggle to get a hard copy of test results from family doctors. Not impossible, but it shouldn't be a huge effort to get anything from your doctor.

imo, then, you haven't been seeing professional sps, just a few women who did this for money. Professional sps wouldn't tell you if they are married or single, and they wouldn't become your friends. It seems to me that you haven't really been looking for or seeking sps, you've been seeking single ladies to become friends with. There isn't anything wrong with that, but that isn't really the topic you are commenting on. Professional sps are at work when they see you, and just as it wouldn't matter to the outcome of the session if your accountant was married or single, so it does not matter to the outcome of your session if the sp is single or not. You are not coming there with an expectation of becoming her "friend", and if that is what motivates you to have paid encounters, then I don't really think you really do have an opinion on whether its right or wrong. You aren't basing it on facts, just assumptions.

This thread, and another in the lounge, is really depressing me today lol. I am wearing socks, and have closed the windows from time to time today. I can count the number of times I've used a fan THIS YEAR on one hand so far, and have not removed the electric blanket from my bed, and to the point of actually turning it on more times THIS MONTH than I've turned on the fan. :-(

I see you visited Vancouver recently, qwert!! Serious. 19 degree high tomorrow, sunshine sometimes. This is really not cool, oh, ok, its cool, just not "cool".

I've seen martin dufresne commentaries on rabble.ca, usually and most often in the feminism sections of that discussion site, and fwiw, the guy got removed from the site for his comments, in spite of the fact that he was pro-feminism in the commentaries lol. but at a certain point, the less right wing feminists there were fed up with his appropriations and speaking on behalf of them with viewpoints they didn't share. He goes from, there was no hostility, to well, the panelist should have had the courtesy to wait for the noise (jeering? insults? accusations? other?) to die down before answering a question they were asked, if she wanted to be heard? Um, really? Those abolitionists were choosing not to listen, and then added to it by not allowing anyone else to listen either, to the very people who have actual information. They'd rather deal with their stereotypes and assumptions.

You just block off the private area. I have a folding screen for my private areas that don't have a door. Its not secure enough people think there are a dozen ninjas hiding in the other room, but blocks enough that you dont feel the are peering into what you had for dinner last night.

I agree, the majority of the population would be discouraged from thinking it is ok to pay for (or be paid for) sex. Given some of the insults thrown at sps (by guys calling them up for services mind you), nothing about that attitude has really changed. I don't think changing laws will change attitudes, make this profession more attractive as a career choice, and there probably won't be a table at the Job Fair any time soon from the local mps and agencies. The idea that decrim or regulation will change any of that is a pretty bad joke by abolitionists imo.

I think Farley approached this place to publish her research cuz no one else would. I read up on this "research" quite some time ago, and have forgotten more than I remember. Basically, it is worthless because, like many researchers with a bias, the questions and the ones posing the questions were revealed to be with further bias. The face to face interviews were not done by unbiased students, but a specific group of anti-prostitution women. The questions seemed to be designed to get specific sorts of results. For the ones who might behave violently, I am thinking the question itself had no "not applicable" option, leaving the results skewed towards a Yes. I do know the %age for guys who did say yes to that questions was seriously low, and so low as to imply that they were only going to be able to say yes, so chose the yes with the least value. I believe the study was done in Scotland. Someone with a little more patience than I might find that breakdown online about this dubious research. The reporter who presented the story compounds it by including the exaggerated numbers for the trafficked children, numbers which I think were recently revealed to be far out of wack to be to the point of ludicrous. At the same time, there has been research of clients, johnsvoice, which is a far better representation of attitudes, and no obvious abolitionist bias to study the findings, imo.

imo, there is a difference between "Safe Only" as in the OP and Safe GFE. These things are not the same at all. If an sp was advertising "Safe Only" I would assume that she was not providing GFE at all. Meaning no kissing, no daty covered or not, cbj only, nothing GFE related at all, nothing to risk the health (and digits do risk the health and comfort). Someone advertising Safe Only sounds like someone who does non-GFE FS encounters and non-fs encounters, and would be a great option for someone who does not want to see any GFE providers. @ the OP, is this a service you saw advertised somewhere, or was a client contacting you asking about it?

Oh for gods sake. Not even half way thru this "UN" complaint, and we've already covered about 90% of the sp stereotypes of how they will ruin the lives of someone who posts a trash review/comment. All pretty much from one person here. And all because you are on a board where you can't name your enemy? And then i get to the part about how you also want to the right to post accusations about stds from sps. Well, heck, if you don't also present the proof of that, don't care where you post it, its slander. Then, the solution is pretty clear: go to these wonderfully fair boards (of which I know of NONE) and go do that right now and get this horrifying experience(S) off your chest there, instead of here.

I had seen a recent comment in a Health forum seciton by the std clinic in vancouver, providing the information that Edmonton was concerned enough by the rising rates to produce an information site. Not sure if its .com or something else, but the site is called plentyofsyph And yes, there does seem to be a direct correlation to the increase of bbbj and other uncovered services and the report of what used to be rarely mentioned stds. My suggestion is that the infection is more wide spread, but the majority of heterosexual people are not getting tested. This is really common, and there are many people out there who might see a symptom, but when it passes think they are OK. Obviously, if the std is being passed around, someone out there is not ok.

It kind of takes the wind out of that tired old argument that since a number of stds can be treated with antibiotics are worth the risk of choosing less safe options. So no, eventually, it won't be "OK" to risk chlamydia or syphillis cuz you can get it treated. Already we can see its not "OK" to risk gonorrhea (speaking specifically of what the throat is risking, fwiw).

I don't think I commented back when this was started. I agree with all the ones mentioned above, and before, and must add that the very first name that pops into my mind along with crush is always Victoria Jolie.

2nd guy's got an accent?? That's all I need to know.

The nicest thing is that the posts by Angela are all helpful, thoughtful and sincerely a joy to be reading.

They don't call it Vangroovy for no reason, folks. Doesn't surprise me one bit if BC shows a more liberal POV. The vote results go the way they go because more lefty voters split their #s. Green party actually has a candidate voted in (or close to it?) well, that isn't isolated incident, so any votes that might have been NDP without the GP candidates, would have made a different outcome altogether, and everyone would know for sure its the Left Coast lol. The poll might have come about around the time the news was trying to cover exposing mps, and the push by the city of Vancouver to have massage parlours more open to sex workers instead of cracking down on them. Also, as mentioned, the street sex worker stories being in the news due to the Picton trials, etc, keeps people more generous minded on the topic.