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Sorry, I was talking specifically about debit machines transactions, rather than the email transfer process. That is simple and actually used quite often. The other, as I describe.

I suppose they could scare them off with some sort of warning, but I think the expense of setting this up when there couldn't be any charges laid would prohibit it. If, for example, you are lured to a location by a fake escort ad, there is no prostitution taking place there, so you are not in a bawdy house, so there is nothing to charge you with lol. However, if you are talking only about a Swedish model of making sex service purchase illegal, then yes, just the offer of money would nab you. I imagine that some prostitutes in Sweden would benefit from taking this law as a challenge specifically if prostitution services are not illegal, then the challenge would be overturning the criminalization of the clients. Not being that familiar with the law itself, I imagine that it would have to be the client charged that would have to initiate this kind of appeal process. Which is probably why they tackled that instead of going after the sps to control their activity with other outside laws. There haven't been that many charges laid, as far as I know from reading about it a while ago. They use it more for harrassment purposes, I'm thinking.

You could always park it in an appropriate lot and taxi for your encounter. I am thinking you know of these places, where I am some places have a few semis overnight parking, and I assume the driver is either in cab or at a nearby motel, which doesn't have the space for parking?

The bad times also show you how to pick the good time ladies lol. Knowing what you don't want is just as important as knowing what you do want. Good for you for finding a gem in meg.

Yes, that is a good source of info, and I do wish more providers would look carefully at what the risk is to them before determining a service. Forwarned is forarmed, in other words. One thing to blindy do what everyone else "seems" to be doing, or even brushing it off as "all sexual encounters are risky", but reality is that not all sexual encounters are as risky as others, and that for you personally, there is a line, and you've been upfront about it. Its like this: wearing a condom is the equivalent of crossing the street with the light at the crosswalk, and looking both ways first. Slim chance you will be run over. However, since you've chosen to go outdoors and cross the road, there is still a risk that you might get hit by a car. Not wearing a condom at all is like running out into oncoming traffic. There is a really good chance, if not unavoidable, that you will be hit by a car. Yes, you could see a bbbj provider and get a cbj, but that is not what you want. You want someone who does cbjs, all the time, not sometimes for an extra $ she does bbbjs and not some time its a "reward" for a long time client type thing. But always and without exception, and that is your threshold so there are options out there specifically for you. There are still a lot of sps who only provide safe GFE, and there are also a few (harder to find, but definitely available) who are FS only, meaning that no GFE items are available when you visit them, so cbj only, no kissing, no daty, no extras ever. You may be more likely to find this in an older sp, no guarantees, and usually not reviewed, for that matter, so a search is necessary. There may be some gys who can pm contact info to you, due to having encounters with such an sp and not fully enjoying the fact they were non GFE, no recommendation made. I think if you can find a FS only sp she will truly appreciate your visits, because your comfort level and hers match. Also, some of the non GFE or safe GFE become extremely clever with innovative arousal techniques, so it might be a treat you don't experience in a GFE encounter lol.

^^^ Technically cel phones are not going to be automatically OK re: public solicitation, since they are mobile. I would suggest that you stick to a landline phone, if you want to be strictly compliant. You can't prove you weren't sitting in the middle of a playground while contacting sps on your celphone lol. I kind of think that what might work with a Swedish model is that regulars stick with their regular sps. They've already worked it out that neither one is going to report the other, and business as usual. It is a side effect of this biz that clients change, and a certain portion are non-repeaters, which is why we continue advertising. Plus regular clients often look to the ads for contact info, even to find someone they've seen before. In such an environment, advertising would pretty much have to go underground, so guys would have to save contact info for people they've seen before. It would be nearly impossible for a new sp to start working, or one who'd taken a break to come back to it. Like most things, these laws affect the street workers, already marginalized, much more than indoor workers. And these laws of Sweden are probably meant to be directed to the street trade more than the indoor one, because frankly that is what most people "see" and don't want to "see". The issue with this model is that the workers still work, they just work in darker alleys and further from safety nets. The car dates still happen,, just necessarily have to go further and further, and the clients still come, just fewer of the decent ones leaving many more of the types likely to hurt or rip off the ladies. These guys always seem to feel invincible. And, the worst possible side effect, is that ladies on the street are unlikely to have condoms, neither do the clients,because the presence of condoms are used as proof of sex service purchase.

That sounds helpful. In what way does someone who says No Text Messages because they do not have text messaging on their landline phone send an auto reply?

Its one thing to say some other businesses have such incentive plans, tho I disagree that a Safeway card is in any way comparable to a session with any sp. Its quite another thing to imply, by listing after listing in a debative way, that therefore sps must include such discounts or they can be considered bad businesses to visit. That, I think, is the main purpose of the contradictory lists that others are coming up with here. If you want a discount from an sp, ask what sort of multiple hour sessions she has avaialble. Most sps provide their discounts into those packages. An overnighter, for example, at 1500, IS a preferred customer package, and includes a significant discount for the added hours and services that come with it. I think you are overlooking the discounts that are already provided, (some sps may provide lower rates on non-fs sessions, or time based options which are fairly new to this industry which used to be service based rates, one sog and out you go). This is arrangement as it is now is not broken, and the sps have no need to "fix" it, in other words. Many many sps who had lower rates then increased their rates charge their regular clients the original rates. What is probably not known, is that many many clients who find out their ATFs have raised their rates, bring the new rate to their appts anyway. Basically, again, a preferred client is one who really understands the dynamics of this business, and that the lady is providing an intimate service for his convenience and pleasure, but at the end of the day, needs to pay the rent and her bills, and she has set a rate that enables her to do this. Lowering it won't result in these same clients visiting more often, so lowering it will only result in her having to advertise more and try to see even more clients daily/weekly/monthly in order to make up this shortfall that is being suggested as "good business".

Depends on her availability, too. If she works 2 days a week and sees 6 or less people/week, she could be new for more than a month. If she is on 24/7 and sees 35/week, then one week she can claim "new". Its really the # of experiences, plus if she is experienced in this work already and clients will know her from that, then she isn't new at all.

I haven't seen the book, but to me a choice to avoid drawing in faces of the sps seen, is more like a gesture to how most sps advertise. Blurred features, head turned, etc etc. It seems like a natural extension that a graphic novel, with pics, would represent the sps in the way that they have mostly chosen to advertise themselves, or show themselve. To me, it seems it would be almost a violation, even if the features are not true to fact, to put a face on the sps in the book. Someone who is presenting a pro-sp viewpoint, I wouldn't see it as him trying to dehumanize anyone, imo.

I would have to say that if the regular becomes a regular with the expectation a discount will be in the offering at some point, then as soon as he brings up the subject he ceases to be a preferred client lol. This business isn't quite the same as the golf course, but perhaps consider it similar to other services: you seen one barber for a year, do you ask them for a discount to continue to see them? You have had your accountant and your lawyer for over a year, do you ask/expect them to give you a discount? Your doctor visits, you do that regularly too, I imagine? Discounts (I know, we have health care lol), but what about the dentist? I've had 10 fillings over the past 7 years, is my 11th one free? Now, if a guys is a regular visitor to an sp that starts offering specials and one day discounts, then it is in his best interest to call her up on those days and take advantage of it. He could even ask to be on her email list to alert him of these upcoming deals. But if he does end up calling her only when she is running a special or discount, I can imagine that he goes from being a treasured regular to "that guy who wants a deal." Believe me, we all have one or two of "those guys", and they are not our preferred clients, especially when they are calling to see if we are available, they've been before, then after double checking the rate (or confirming that no we are not accepting 40-50 less than our regular rates today), they don't show up.

Just try out some of the tips, at home if you have to lol. You can get a lot of diffferent brands and types of condoms in 3 packs, enough to experiment with a few. You do need to add some lubricant, perhaps a warming one, to encourage extra sensation. You should avoid all condoms that do not say they are ultra thin, extra sensation, or similar words. You should try non-latex brand, an acrylic (?) I think it is, like or latex free like Lifestyles Skyn, for example. Most of these offer more sensations than the regular brand regular style condoms. At least it will give you an extra edge. One problem with FS completion is hardness, if that isn't a problem, you are half way there. Deciding you cannot cum with condom on is the biggest problem, as far as I can see. Once you decide you CAN cum with condom on, you will be all the way there. I've encountered a number of people who tell me the first time they cum in session was with me, they didn't expect to. A LOT of my session is in preparation, teasing, arousal, hand work, cbj, foreplay, etc etc, before getting to FS. If you visit someone who is able to engage all of your senses, relax and stimulate your entire body, your mind will forget that your body cannot cum with condom on in FS, imo.

If it is really high, you might want to consider not accepting prebooked appts from new clients. If you are accepting prebooked appts, you might want to consider asking for references for them to have a secured time. Otherwise you require a followup confirmation the day of the scheduled appt by a certain time, and if you don't get that then you don't consider it a confirmed appt. I think the sincere clients will follow whatever procedure you need in order to not have your time wasted by these guys who deliberately set up appts they do not plan to follow thru with. Keep your preset times for repeat clients, and keep your options open with the new ones. If you require a confirmation by say 10am on the day of the prebooked appt, then you can then know what the rest of your day is like. I'd keep your options open for same day bookings as well, for the days when no one confirms by deadline.

Its not really a condom issue, if you are having this difficulty even when you go to hj. There are lots of good tips here, but just try to eliminate your assumption that the condom is the problem, and concentrate on the sensations/feelings, etc. Another good suggestion is repeat visits with a single sp, don't try to mix it up, just work with a comfort level with one person. And think outside the box, do fs condom on, knowing that the finish will be by hand (or bbbj if offered) at the end. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this, and is a great way to make a compromise of covered fs and the extra sensation of uncovered finish. Also very porn ish, to cum outside the box, so to speak. Female condom is a great idea, but you'd have to work that out with an sp who is comfortable with how to use them. I've seen lots of different people, circumcized and uncircumsized, and this issue is not only experienced by the uncircumcized clients. Also to keep in mind, is to experiment with how the condom is being put on. I've seen some fellas uncircumsized where the foreskin does not go down at all, and with condom on, they still have no issues at all with making FS work.

This is something that you should be revealing before making an appt, not after arrival, or even after a couple of visits. No matter what you plan to do, the idea that you might not disclose this with first contact is alarming. It really doesn't matter if you assume escorts are more educated about STDs, the reality is that many many are not. And to be honest, being educated and open minded does not mean that I would plan to willingly expose myself to it knowingly. Even if I approach every encounter as tho the person has an STD, the bottom line also is that if you don't tell me, you are taking away my choice and my ability to keep myself safe. And that would be irresponsible and inexcusable. But to me, that you think that seeing escorts is "OK" knowing you have this condition is also irresponsible, no matter what precautions are taken.

When someone calls, I say 9am-10pm, last phone call must be by 10pm or earlier to arrange a later time. If someone calls for the first time ever at 10:15, or later, chances are I won't answer. I am not too interested in dealing with someone who would think that is "ok". I think that following the general telephone calling rules of etiquette tells me you are a gentleman, and that means calling between 9am-9pm at the very latest, and to not expect me, just because I am an sp, to be available at 3am (as mentioned, not many of us think that is cool lol). If you are calling an sp for the very first time, don't leave it to the time you want to make an appt, just call at a "reasonable" time, which often means anything between 10 or 11am and 7pm. I don't think you can ever go wrong, if the sp does not show her hours in ads or on website, if you stick to those times. It shows, like the OP suggests, that you are concerned that your phone call is not coming at a time which guarantees it is a wakeup call. And as mentioned, the sorts of guys typically calling at 2am-4am are not ideal clients. You don't want to be one of those guys. I have arranged appts as early as 4:30am, with a few around 6am, for regulars who I am assured will show up, and these must be arranged the day before (usually 12hr notice). Its doable, not my favourite time of the morning, but I don't mind for someone I know who has a tight schedule.

Massage parlour something or other 409 has a commercial they run that I saw on TLN late night not that long ago. As I was watching it I was thinking wtf, I've heard of that place, wait a minute, yup, its an mp and they are advertising escorts on the TV. lol

Not a fan of this idea at all. I've heard items of someone else's "kit", and the things he adds is quite alarming. I pity the poor amp girls he makes go along with this stuff. He has started bring pheromone spray as well, and I have no idea what next he is going to try to make them go along with. Some of the things just seemed like fake ways to make a 45 minute paid for session turn into an hour, no other way to get the girl to set up the cd player, put on black stockings and blue eye shadow, and open a new toy (some sex device he requires her to use) and on and on and on. This is the kind of thing for me personally would make me think you were a nut job, regardless of what might be in there, the only thing I'd be thinking of is this dummy with the chinese music playing while he wears the silk robe he also brings in the kit bag. You can go too far with these "lists" lol.

My word of advice is do not try to use the tongue as if it is a penis. It isn't, because the penis does not come with teeth that jab into soft tender skin around the vagina with every insertion. That is a PSA. I don't want oral as a replacement for sex, I want it to be something different from sex, as in external stimulation. I can see this is the opposite of what men are looking for in oral sex, as in it is a good alternative to full sex lol.

That's the same for me lol. A later appt is possible for a reg, anyone else I tell them call back earlier another time. Or not answer. For me, I don't like the idea of a tiered system, where some guys get a benefit not available to others. A reg gets a later appt time because I can trust him to show up, unlike a newbie caller, not because he has some kind of special status or badge or gold star. Discounts are not appropriate either, and as the guys often mention here, they pay the rate. The thing with rates, and services, and becoming a regular visitor, is that you felt the combination worked for you. So you are also saying you don't need or expect a discount to continue to see the lady, because the $$ if ok for a first visit, they have to be ok for a 15th visit. Additional Comments: You can never guarantee the new caller is going to show up or is making a true booking, so no, you would never bump or reschedule a reg over someone new. All you do with new guy is suggest an alternate time, and hopefully it works out. Or it works out for another day. If new guy called first and made an appt, then regular guy called up for a time close to that, I feel comfortable enough to suggest an alternate time to the regular (and he can feel confident that I am giving the most accurate ETA I can)) along with the offer to call back if I suddenly become free sooner (as in new guy didn't show up). It works up until the time a third caller wants to be added to the mix.

If she is from an agency, isn't there very little chance it is actually her receiving or returning calls?

Pretty sure she is DNR on most boards.

susi's group has been working very hard with VPD and the city to try to get this sort of thing resolved in the city. Considering that Vancouver does have a city biz license that allows for the sex trade in an mp setting (the body rub license) I can see why they are coming at it from a POV that is going to allow the mps to continue to operate as usual. I think a lot of these places would prefer to have body rub licenses, but they know that would alert the city to what's going on, and there is no guarantee the license would be granted, and it isn't like they are going to say, well, ok then, let's get us a different kind of license then lol. Hopefully they don't plan to charge 100x as much as other city biz licenses, which is what they currently do, because that too will be a deterrant to the mps getting the appropriate license. Not having the correct license is going to open them up to being shut down or raided which helps no one. Hopefully, recent raids on these businesses have shown them that exact thing. (and that was post #800, a nice topic for a nice #)