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That is 400/hr x 2 hour minimum, for exclusive foxes, = 800 for the appt. Regular rates are 325 incall, and 300/hr outcall, but I don't know if they have a reduced rate for multiple hours. Not many reduce on the 2nd hour, but more reductions show up 3+ hours. Independents, some on this board: Odette Harlow, vanesssa (3 s's), harmony-bc, Samantha Evans, Beautiful Anna, sandi moon, eva evangeline, Quintessential Taylor, kimberly (billionairess), Ingrid, Claire Monet, What I don't like about making suggestions is there are too many, and you always miss someone lol.

I wonder which site it is. There was one talked about on a US site I visited before that was a popular advertising site for the sps. But there was some trouble with it being investigated for selling porn as well, or so the story went.

Not sure about that rate for two hours, fwiw, for vancouver. Also, consider instead of an outcall (which is usually an extra charge), to go visit the sp in her incall instead. Reliable agency (only reliable agency setup) is carmen fox or the fox den, not sure of any link, the outcall rate is 300/hr which is lower than visits to the mp, but I have no idea what an extended visit would run. You'd have to give a bit more info as to age range or something about what sort of sp you are interested in, or check out the ads in the vancouver section here?

Prostitution has always been legal. No new laws or lack of the disputed laws change that. . Agencies are already required to keep track of this information. (this may be a city of vancouver biz license requirement, not necessarily nationwide). You don't really expect an agency is going to send an escort out to you and not have information recorded about where they are being sent, your name/number/address and the duration of the call do you? . I was thrown off a bit by the typo of cretin in place of certain lol. I thought it kind of appropriate when discussing govt, taxes, and so on. . I'm not sure what you mean by forcing married men to give out their info, since married or not, if it is a requirement. In general, for screening purposes, many US escorts require a lot more info on their clients than most Canadian sps do. Its illegal in the US, so it kind of contradicts the statement that full legalization would require more information lol. Its necessary to screen fully in the US to avoid LE stings. . I think you might be underestimating the desire to see sps will far outweigh any inconveniences. What I predict would happen with decriminalization and regulation is that more people will feel encouraged to try it out. They won't have the worry of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Similar to strip clubs, guys will have no legal issues to be concerned about when visiting a brothel or incall for example. The curiosity factor alone will actually increase business, as the current clientele also feels a bit more relaxed about the setup. I think you'd be surprised how many full names and phone #s sps typically get in a day. It makes the ones who hide behind blocked #s and fake phones look pretty sketchy, and somewhat sneaky, imo.

The only time I saw an sp that I did not have an arranged meeting with, was Xmas Eve shopping at the mall. She was one to use face pics, so easy to recognize, she would not have known me unless I went up to say howdy. She was pregnant and with her SO at the time. Obviously I was not going to shout out her sp name and run over to give her a hug, even tho I'd have liked to cuz she's just that cute. I sent her a pm a few days later, where she said she'd have been happy to meet me, but now I know for next time lol.

I'm just interested in the question. If you are originally from outside of Canada, there is reason to clarify things, but the laws are country wide, so whatever's legal in Vancouver, is also in Calgary, and Ottawa, and Toronto and Halifax. What changes isn't the laws, but how or if LE in that city deals with them.

I didn't realize all this was happening already. I kind of like these judges. I like the way the stories are written too, emphasizing how the judeges seem to be putting the lawyer on the spot lol.

If you are basing her looks solely on a photo, keep in mind some people photograph well, and some people come alive only in person. Some models look fairly ordinary before special makeup, speciall lighting, and some weird angles. Some seem to give off pheromones you might find irresistable, and you won't know until touch is exchanged. Some things are chemical lol. There is a reason why some seemingly average sps are far more popular than their 10/10 or even 11/10 counterparts. So you will meet in person face to face and go from there. As mentioned, it may be you that is the undesireable one when that happens. It is not possible to not hurt her feelings if you do find her unattractive when you meet, it isn't something she isn't going to notice. But you will also hurt her feelings at this point if you bail on meeting, so it isn't something you can avoid. At the very least, you've made a new friend, that counts for a lot too. And you've put yourself out there. If not this one, maybe the next one.

If I look at the OP, as suggested lol, then my biggest concern is if there is going to be a different perception between what the OP (client) assumes is going to be available from the sp with the addition of 2 hours. I do know that quite a few client perspectives of what is available on overnighters is a marathon of sleepless sex filled msogs. What is usually available (from the more experienced sps who learn their lesson after the first time they agree to an overnighter and find out that is what he was after), is a specific number of uninterrupted sleep hours, one encounter before the sleep and a possible one more in the morning. 3-4 hour dates, similar setup, one encounter before dinner or lunch, and a night cap afterwards. What is probably assumed is a 3 hour marathon, where if the sp is not engaged in fs activity, she'd better be doing a bj during the breaks. So, I'd suggest that the client find out what the sp he's interested is willing to offer for the rate charged for 3 hour appts. If it is not 3 x her hourly rate, then she is calculating social time not play time for the extra hours.

I've rarely had to have someone leave. I've gotten a bad vibe at the door, didn't care for his attitude, suggested we part ways. Another good reason for rejection is them suddenly deciding they don't want to pay the rate quoted on the phone, which they knew before arrival, just thought the half the minimum quoted would be "ok" (it's not, just in case anyone was curious lol). I rarely get concerned about asking someone to move on, since I am about 5'11 in heels, plus older, so it would take a lot to phase me.

Also see if the hotel has a day rate, for use just for a few hours, which is common for business people to need a place to take a nap before heading to a meeting or airport or something. Don't try to come up with a detailed story or reason why you need it lol, just call a few and ask what the rate would be.

I see a lot of guys who are only going to see one sp. They may have seen someone for a long time before me, and she retired, or something similar. It really isn't that far fetched that clients do stick with someone they know and don't really relish the anxiety of seeing someone new. However, there are a number of guys who see different sps, for different things that I don't have, and continue to see me, or just see me once and continue their search for someone who rings a few more bells for them. I don't require references, but have provided them when asked (often for the same sp, oddly enough lol) I think that as clients you should never think twice about asking an sp that you have seen who requires references to provide one for you. If she asks for them, it is a good signal that she will provide them willingly and without question. If you are seeing someone who does not require references, but has a pretty good head on her shoulders, then again, just bring it up in conversation, and see what happens. If you are regularly seeing a high maintenance high strung sp who is always on edge and possibly aggressive in trying to contact you to come and see her, then my biggest question is why are you seeing her? And no, maybe don't ask her to provide a reference for you lol. Considering that most sps are not as described in the last case, I think you can feel fairly confident in asking it of any sp you have seen and be assured she will not cause any drama. Might she be disappointed that you are not planning your next visit to be with her? Maybe, maybe not. It isn't really your problem, to be perfectly honest, if she is or isn't. You are not really there to protect her feelings, she is there to provide a service as in stroke yours lol. Who knows, she may meet someone new who becomes a frequent visitor with the space that opened up in her calendar while you visit that traveling sp you always wanted to see. Then back you go to your ATF, happy with the new experience behind you, and she is none the worse for it. I think all of my clients are special, but none get extra special treatment, just as I am sure all of them think i am special, but it doesn't mean we are exclusive.

I also wanted to know if the OP was only advertising on cerb and nowhere else, because if ads are visible by non-members, then yes quite a few potential clients who contact her by email are not going to be cerb members. If cerb membership is the only screening requirement she has, then I do think it might be time to expand on that. Why not have the screening requirements lined up as 3-4 options. The client can choose the one he is most comfortable with. If the only requirement she has is book via pm with cerb handle, and the client approaches her in any other way, then so be it, turn him down until/unless he complies with the one and only requirement. Because if he thinks he's too special to follow the first and only requirement she has, what else does he think he's too special for? However, I do feel there can be a lot of emphasis on things like this that really do not guarantee a successful encounter, a good client, a potential danger, or even just a chronic no show. There are so many factors, and many experienced sps are able to find a way of screening based on a single phone call and never have one problem. Personally, if someone were to pm me to set up an appt, or ask about one, they would get a reply to call me. I want a voice verification, not a handle verification, or an email, or a text. There are dangerous people out there, of course, but not everyone calling from a block # or payphone or not wishing to give a handle is all dangerous, or sketchy, or up to something. Those ones are far fewer than the legit ones, for sure.

I think it is a bit too simple to suggest that the only reason sex tourism exists is to take advantage of the disadvantaged. In many cases, it seems directly related to the old review board standby of VFM and bang for the buck. Countless travelers will ignore the fact it costs them 1500-2000 to spend a week in Thailand, to brag that an overnight with a local sp cost them 100 bucks, and for the price of food and shopping, she stays with you thru the next day, where for another 100, unlimited sogs for the night. It seems of no interest to them what motivates the women to work, just that they seem friendly and available at all times, and for much much less than what sps in Canada charge. It is the money charged by Canadian sps that seem to drive them, along with other reasons. In some cases, they seem to want to use this information to try to drive down rates, which is weird, again because it is pretty expensive in the first place to travel outside of the country.

I think the worst thing to do is to not write a reco or review when you normally would just because you see someone else's. You can't let someone else's report influence you, unless you are using them to decide whether or not to see someone. If you have already seen her, not once but a few times, and feel like you have an experience worth sharing, you should go ahead and just do it. One thing to remember about extreme reviews, extremely good or extremely bad, is that they are probably fake. The extreme good ones exagerrate, for the most part, either services received, or as in the example, food that would never be eaten lol. I've heard of other faked reviews where the reviewer is not able to describe the room, not surprising since they'd never been there. I've seen a bad review of myself that didn't describe even something as simple as my hair colour and body type, so obviously not a real review. The really extreme bad reviews come out of a couple of different sources: rival sps trying to discredit a good sp, a thwarted would be client who was refused an appt, and a disgruntled client who tried to get services not on the menu and/or a discount in exchange for a good review. I think many sps when they were new and joined a review board could tell you stories of the number of members who contact them and threaten bad reviews if they don't get a free or seriously discounted session, or bbbj instead of a cbj. So typically the very first thing I think of when I see a really trash review is that it is a pack of lies. I am a bit more generous when I see the reports in a good review that create a work of fiction as to the reviewers stamina, prowess and skills lol. as you say a locker room bragger, lol. I've calculated a few of the minutes doing this that and the other thing, and to hear the tale the guy had to have been there for an hour on a half hour booking lol. Just follow your own path; don't let others influence you. If you had a good experience with this sp, she has earned your support in light of this attempt to discredit her with a bad review.

You make a great point. Although the list in the OP is a great starting point, too much is focused on the appearance, imo. I often tell guys who see me for the first time or call, if they are looking for a great match, make a list of 10 things they want. Then return to the sp(s) who can provide at least 7 of those things, but if you ever were to find a 10, never ever leave her lol. In the list, apperance would only be one element. Rate, services, location, availabiltiy, age range, method to book appts (as in easy (short0 or hard (email 48 hours use contact form lol)), etc. Only you know what it is you want or need, and many many sps will provide a different combination of many of the 10 items but rare to find just anyone who could do it all. And often a focus too heavy on the looks, well a terrific attitude, personality and certain skills, makes a woman you might think doesn't meet the physical criteria turns into a woman who is much more attrative than first glance (or pictures, remember, some come alive in person, some just photograph well lol) All kinds of things to consider. In some cases, how she responds to a phone call may attract or repel as well, and that is only connecting by voice. All kinds of things create a great session, and for some guys especially ones who have been around for a while, looks become a very very low priority.

I completely agree. In spite of actual info out there too, there are a lot of people who seem very clueless about it all. There is a reason one of the highest group of people getting AIDS and other STDs in the past couple of years are seniors. There is a reason why one of the highest groups of infection of chlamydia is in 15-22 year olds. I am also a bit concerned about a POV where because a pill will fix it, it is OK lol. A pill can fix some STDs, but as a sex worker who depends on working or being available 7 days a week, how much time are you willing to take off it/when you do get something. I have no confidence that guys seeing escorts (or guys in general lol) are getting regular testing. I would be surprised if even half of them who see escorts have ever been tested in their lives, and of the half left over, they may have only been tested once after some kind of a scare. The reality is that sps on the receiving end, and due to sheer volume of visitors, are at much higher risk of contracting something than a client getting that bbbj from her. Testing in this case needs to be throat swabs. When is the last time you had one of those, during regular std checkups from the family doctor. The only defense sps really have is to provide services that increase their safety from stds, not give them more exposure to it lol. A decade ago, sps rarely offered anything GFE, guys wouldn't expect or ask for it. Many guys who've been doing this for a long time still won't partake in those activities. Bottom line is they may view escorts as being more prone to stds, but if they choose not to expose themselves, that is the best line of defense that they have for themselves. I think the OP should be left alone to bring up the subject. I also hope that she realizes that advertising can affect perception, and the use of certain terms when services that are associated with those terms are not provided is akin to false advertising. If you say "open minded", it means next to nothing, so guys will continue to ask if that means you offer kissing, daty, or bbbjs. Making ads with specific information will help resolve the issue and reduce the questions and requests.

I like flowers, I don't often get them, and usually take the time to put them into a vase with water to bring back to the room before we start the appt. i have a reg who often brings me a latte if it is a morning appt, and recently had a new client who ended up doing the same thing, not even knowing my preferred coffee drink is not plain coffee lol. I have also received ground coffee and chocolate both a few times, and recently received cannolli the dessert type, which I have never actually had before, inspite of having lived near Commercial drive for a long time lol So my first preference is a latte, with a close second ties with chocolate and coffee lol.

My point wasn't that it was common, done everywhere, or even been done for a long time. This is a new requirement. It can happen anytime anywhere, fwiw. Your private club membership may not need your info for renewals, but like most places, no doubt they did need something from your when you jioned up? This isn't the start of a conflict, fwiw, just that even tho many of us have been in this for a long time, it does not mean that the business will continue in the same way. Technology provides us all with new options. In the past, let's face it, you had few options. You could use your land line (which showed name and number if not on call display, then in the phone book, for most of us) An outcall arranged, the sp or agency had the ability to cross check the given with the info in the book, and do a call back to the phone # to get an answer before heading out. Or, you could drive in your car (complete with vehicle description, license # and a physical description of you (hard not to when you are driving your car lol), and the lady can decide to go or not go based on a quick conversation (same in reverse). 3rd option, go to a walk in massage parlour. The lady has backup at reception and in the other rooms by the fact she is not working alone. All 3 options have a balance of revealing information or discretion. Nowadays, the basic safety factors that came with the above options are gone. Unless or until the sps request information that can replace the information that they automatically received. Additional Comments: That could be something you can help them with. It is my opinion that they are scared to ask for these things, or to require them, because they haven't developed their skills yet. This leaves them open to an abusive client. Giving them tips, beyond just directions to this site, based on the things you see brought up here, can help keep them safe. Keep in mind that a newer sp, less professional and less experienced, is exactly what predators seek. If you can assist them to make it more difficult for a predator to see them as a target, you will help more than you know. Some don't ask for info because they really believe in that technology, it is part of their lives, and they have trust in it. It is a false sense of security, imo. The ladies you see are doing outcalls. At the very least, they should have someone know where they are going (address), time of arrival, making a safety call, and an ETA for finishing. They should be getting a full name, address, phone # should preferably be a landline. After the appt is set up, they should be calling the client before they head over, to confirm the appt and that the guy actually answers. Again, preferably a land line. In the case of hotel outcalls, the same method but calling for the room number given via the switchboard. This can be repeated by calling for the given name via the switchboard. imo, anyone not willing to provide basic info is not worth seeing. In the case of newer and inexperienced sps, they are afraid of the clients and allow themselves to be pushed around. That is not cool. The number one most important thing any sp can do is set their rules, stick to them, and protect themselves. Inexperienced and experienced sps make a lot of bad choices, in order to not offend someone, and it is so unnecessary. For every pushy caller, there are 100s and 100s of decent guys out there waiting for an opportunity to spend time with us. http://www.geishadiaries.com/home/2011/1/10/5-biggest-mistakes-escorts-make.html

You may, then, find it of interest that as of this year a very popular mp in the Vancouver area now makes a point of telling all clients to be sure they have ID on them and to be prepared to show it to reception. Altho, the front desk apparently does not scrutinize this, the clients must carry identification with them when in the location, due to bylaw issues. MPs can be inspected at any time, and the mps must ensure they are complying, just as a convenience store must ensure they have verified age when selling cigarettes. That's my contribution to this topic. Plus, I repeat, I cannot understand why any sps with any sense would arrange and go to an outcall without full name along with that address. If the person she is seeing is not the one registered to that location what the heck does she think she can do with the address info, if something were to happen, if the guy she visits isn't on record, and in some cases, these sps do outcalls via a cel phone. Same for hotel outcalls, someone claims they register under a fake name? Really? How do they manage to do that exactly? lol, some stories are too good to be true. Again, for hotel outcalls, an sp who isn't verifying by calling front desk and asking for that full name is not even doing a basic cross check to see the guy isn't sending her on a fake booking. So much time can be saved by such simple screening, it seems some sps will bend over backwards (not in a good way) to accomodate some clients, and not just put themselves into more dangerous situations, but also make it that much more difficult for the next sp to ask for even the simplest of verifications. So, a check of ID? More common than you might think, and certainly not unheard of.

I think the standard term used is r&t, rub and tug. That kind of states without saying it, massage and hand release. And the client who is looking for massage and hj know enough to ask what the restrictions are, because they are well aware that some r&t providers remain fully clothed, some will be clothed but allow limited touching, some might go topless no touching, some topless with above waist touching, some nude no touch, some nude full touch, some GFE which is basically a GFE without full service included meaning kissing, daty, possible cbj? But the main thing is full service not offered, not requested, not expected. It isn't a very appealing term tho, so usually what you want to advertise is sensual massage with release. That should be enough to attract the guys looking for r&t with no expectations. It is then important that you indicate what your limits are. Most guys don't mind restrictions, as long as they know before arrival what they are going to be. If something, like digits and/or nudity is important to them, then a fully clothed no touch r&t provider is not going to be someone they book appts with. Also, if you do not want genital touching of any kind, then you let them know your sessions can be topliess, but not fully nude. Most clients understand the presence of panties means the area is not available lol. Other helpful words are: mature, older, gentlemen, massage, sensual, tease, arousal, relaxing, rejuvenating, pampering, stress free, etc. Anything that indicates that this is a session where they don't have to do anything, that everything is done to them and for them, and that they are expected to be mature gentlemen who know enough to ask before they do something they have not been invited to do, or something it has not been made clear is OK.

I haven't read it yet, but I am hoping you will take a moment to go visit a legal brothel there, just to see what they are like. I've been watching an Australian series set in a brothel, and it looks pretty cool. But it might not be as glamourous as on TV lol.

I've always asked someone calling a day or week before, to call the day of anytime will do, to confirm and give an ETA. I would also ask to call when ready to head over, and in your case that would be whatever time it is before you leave home or wherever you are starting out from. If you did not reach me, do not assume I am here, available, waiting, etc, and when you do reach me, you are on your way and I'm waiting on you lol. But I really recommend regardless of whatever you think is set in stone, we as sps have had a thousand in stone appts set up with 900 not following thru, so that's where we often start off from when someone calls ahead of time lol. I have lots not follow thru, when the day or time came, but I haven't had many problems with the confirmation before heading out method. Oh, and my messages are always changed, to provide info, such as not available (meaning not near my phone, out for an hour, or the day) and I'm in, call back in 20 or call back in 5. All messages checked within half hour or hour most of the time, returned if it is a reasonable time to call back, and cleared immediately. Someone who doesn't keep up with their voicemail, email, etc etc, sounds like someone who needs to not be working as an independent, or at least getting themselves a big mail box or an assistant.