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it's a scam site, if anyone claims they found the ad there or are bringing it up at all as if it is legitimate, just call them out on it. chances are they are scammers themselves. I mean, who calls up someone based on an escortbust ad there telling them it is an LE bust? of course they wouldn't, but if they are calling and mentioning that site pretending that they think it is true (see the logic there?) it is probably in order to extort some kind of panic in you or a discount to 'prove' it. If you even suspect they have even a pinch of sincerity, let them know that this is a fake site that is trying to take them to a dating/hookup site. It is trying to leave an impression that all escorts are dangerous, and they should use their site instead. any of the links etc are going to connect the user to adultmatch or something like that. they are also trying to grab paid members onto TER (the erotic review). and obviously any forum that would use deceit, lies and fearmongering to get their membership is already a scammer site itself. there is a strong connection between the escort bust site and TER as well as one of the big hookup dating sites. this site was up before c36, meaning it was trying to tell potential clients that Canadian LE operated stings, that clients could be arrested for contacting or seeing sps, and that sps would work with LE in order to escape charges themselves. Of course in Canada, sex work being legal, none of those claims could ever have possibly been true.

[url]http://www.scmp.com/lifestyle/music/article/1889815/k-pop-girl-band-detained-la-airport-suspected-sex-workers[/url] [QUOTE]All eight members of a new girl K-pop girl band, travelling for an album cover shoot in the United States, were detained at Los Angeles airport on suspicion that they might be sex workers, their agency said on Friday. The eight-member band, Oh My Girl, were held for 15 hours on Thursday before being released, after which they flew back to South Korea. Their agency, WM Entertainment, said the immigration authorities in Los Angeles had gone through the band's costumes and props. â??Then, probably because of their young age, they seem to have mistaken them as sex workers,â? the statement said, without elaborating. The agency said it was taking legal advice in the United States as to whether the band's detention was lawful. There might also have been an issue with the type of visa the band members were holding, as they were also booked to perform at a gala event in Los Angeles on Saturday. Oh My Girl was only formed in March this year and released their debut single in April. South Korea's K-pop scene, which has been exported with enormous success across Asia and beyond, is dominated by young girl and boy bands whose members are sometimes as young as 13 or 14 years old. In 2012, the South Korean authorities took steps to curb oversexualised performances, threatening to slap R-ratings on films, music videos and TV shows that placed an exaggerated sexual emphasis on young singers and bands they feature.[/QUOTE]

imo, it is more of an ad scraper site tha some people have been sucked into thinking is a legit forum. so it has a mix of people joining, posting an ad or review, and discussion items along with and mixed with that are the faked up filler 'reviews' which are really just the ad info posing as a review. they used to do heavy heavy advertising for their site, makes me think they rely on clicks for pay

There is the law, and then there is the reality of what actually happens. It is now a crime to pay for or discuss paying, even if payment is not actually money, for services. The reality is that unless you are approaching an undercover LE on the street, you are unlikely to be in any risk of any charges. The only fake ad stings that i have heard of, and this is extremely rare anyway, is an underage operation. in this case actual ads were placed and LE waited for replies, and set up appts with anyone who responded back when the fake sp told them that they were under 18, and the caller expressed interest in still going thru with the appt. So if you do not do that, you run very little risk of anything happening. Also in that operation, it was incall only, not outcall. The reality is that it is highly unlikely that LE is going to put up a fake ad for a fake of age sp doing outcalls, then go thru the time consuming process of setting up the appt, getting address, then going to the address one by one, and the ensuing hours it may take just to charge one single person. that's why they stick to street services, they have the clients coming to them, not the other way around.

I know of one reportedly underage sp who started out posting as 20 or 21, then as she got older, her ads showed a younger age. I agree tho that the underagers are probably going to use 18 or 19. When in doubt, ask for unrevealing ID, know your dates, see the photo and date of birth, you don't need to see their real name and address. And remember, LE can and has done underage sting ads, and if you show any interest in them getting back to you saying they are not 18, you need to report it. I would hope that anyone here would know better than to actually post the underage sp's ad. that's just asking for predators to seek her out, really bad idea. don't share it by pm either, please, just report it and make sure you do what you can to get that ad removed asap. I think by now you ALL should know what to avoid, the red flags in any ads, and if in doubt, ask.

Who is going to enforce this anyway. Minneapolis was recently in the news, http://photographyisnotacrime.com/2015/08/minneapolis-police-suspend-prostitution-stings-after-cops-caught-in-sexual-acts-with-sex-workers/

They do try to link the two things, and in some cases they are correct. But at the heart of it all is that the criminalization around sex work, the laws that the SCC struck down and the Cons put back up, are linked to those women who were sex workers and are now missing or murdered. We know for a fact that more harm came to street workers because of the criminalization laws, and the NIMBY laws, and the John letter campaigns that started in the 80s.

If you have a chance, i recommend reading Posner's entire judgment. It is really great. the excerpts are great too but from beginning to the finale, good read.

interestingly enough, there has been a long history of the Liberals attempting to do harm reduction legislation in regards to sex work, and the Cons coming along as the next government and undoing it all before it can be put in place. http://policyoptions.irpp.org/issues/november-2015/thirtyyearsoffailure/

Duos There are actually some things that i do consider 'trendy' lol

that and to not, as an agency owner, make their employees provide services as set out by the agency, rather than the escort herself. which i think happens often at those toronto agencies. that and so many of them hadn't edited any of their ads or sites, and continued to post blatant services ads on the behalf of the sp, when that is actually one of the main things about the advertising laws that will get them charged.

http://globalnews.ca/news/2309848/group-threatens-liberals-with-new-legal-challenge-over-sex-work-law/

Nicolette's advice is very complete. the safety call & someone knowing where you are is always one of the most important things. Letting the client know or see you making the call is not a bad idea at all. Before you leave home: use google. Google the phone number, and also the address you are given. Do not go until you have verified that they are using a working phone number. You call them back, give them your ETA. obviously if the number doesn't work you aren't wasting your time. When you google the address you are given, it is not just to figure out where you are going, it is to verify the address exists. And what is actually at the address. You might find out the address doesn't exist, or you might find out that it is incomplete. If the address given leads to an apartment building and you don't have the unit number for example, you don't go until you get it. you need to google the whole thing.

If you find it frustrating, just go to your bank, get a blank money order in US funds (i think you need to send bp a minimum of $50, but it may only be 20). send it to the mailing address provided, fill out the money order as they request. I have sent in a money order, worked like a charm. arrived in less than a week, and did not cost very much because i got it at a US post office. (cheeeeeep money orders in the US, unlike here.) Anyway you do this, you have to have a bp account. If you want something a bit quicker, and still do not want to do bitcoin yourself or money order, there is a service that other sps have had success with. go to http://www.backpagecredits.com to read about it, purchase bp credits here https://bp-credits.myshopify.com/collections/all the only thing with this service is that you provide your account log in information so they can fund your account paying by bitcoins themselves. so you don't have to worry about getting a wallet, how to buy them, how to spend them, they do all that for you. If you decided to do this, of course, you reset the password for them, (you send the info to them by emails) then change it back when it is done. i believe they have set it up so you can pay by credit card or even paypal, but i haven't tried it yet myself.

Apparently people who have never had AM accounts also receive this junk mail. always an opportunist out there. this is just another one.

twitter is still tweeting on this, but her main 'hashtag' issue is rape, child sexual abuse, etc and she has made a video which i think is going to be released on an upcoming date. the trending is #12daysofrage and she has invited other victims to send her messages on this topic. https://twitter.com/margaretcho https://twitter.com/hashtag/12daysofrage?src=hash

i have only seen one news report announcing a group that got significant piece of the funding (considering that it was supposed to work out to 5 million per year, and rumour has it LEs are supposedly up for half of that, it seemed an extravagance to give 700,000 (over 5 years) to one individual group. http://www.am980.ca/2015/07/15/london-abused-womens-centre-set-to-receive-700000-from-conservative-government/ (i believe one of the first things they did was buy advertising for their organization, not spending it on what they called counseling 'prostituted' women. i'm not saying they don't help abused women & families in need, i'm just saying that that is what they are, a violence against women group, not a sex worker or trafficking victim support group. I don't know with the new government, but the old one would not give any of the $$ to any sex worker advocacy or support groups. they only planned to give it to those who were all about 'exit' or violence against women. which of course is the majority of the anti sex worker groups, like Joy Smith's organization. in other words, very little to do with actual sex workers. other than this, i have not seen a single article or mention of anyone else receiving any funding for any reason anywhere.

I noticed this when i was looking into the link provided by satoshi counter http://satoshicounter.com/backpage/ I don't know quite what they mean by that, but it didn't sound very good. if anyone is in Montreal, they can walk into http://bitcoinembassy.ca/about-us/ where you can pay in cash. there are also bitcoin ATMs in various locations thru Canada. I like to think it would be simplified if you can go in person somewhere.

The say they did prearrangements, which is not the case, they did fake bookings. in some cities, they fake booked outcalls. as we all know, many sps pay drivers to take them to an outcall, or a taxi. This means they were most definitely inconvenienced, out of pocket expenses, and lost income for other real bookings. They mention a young woman who was brought here on false info, which is true, but the case is many years ago. Back when there was so many problems with the stripper visa which i think has been resolved by eliminating that as a work visa. I think it is extremely misleading to use this operation to mention that story and imply it was during this month that they found and rescued this woman. Especially since we know after she left the situation which brought her into the country, after a period of time, she voluntarily went back into sex work before becoming a rescue advocate expert. These operations, especially in the US, are promoted as finding underage victims, but as you can see from the stats, that is not happening. If they are looking for them, and finding so few, one wonders what is their criteria in the first place. and of course, in the US, the numbers of 'rescued' is a drop in the bucket compared to the number of adult consensual sex workers who are arrested, since it is illegal there. and among those sps, are some who are charged with trafficking because they happen to be in the company of another younger sp, or drove someone to an appointment, or even, ridiculously, trafficking themselves.

In debates with various members of the parties, when c36 came up the Liberals, NDP and Greens all committed to repealing the new laws. Not sure how involved it is to do something to laws that were ramrodded thru the process, but maybe they can speed it thru the repeal process with the same fervour? In that most people are not being exposed to any of the new laws, but just the same original ones, i don't see any changes making a huge impact on this biz.

Is that what it is, that one couldn't use two words? When i first joined forums, it was rare to see sps using their sp name as a handle, maybe that is why. Even here on cerb we see a variety of long time members whose handles are, like mine, not an sp name. Some of those sps i don't think i ever knew their working names lol I was using this handle on review sites, most of which have gone under but the idea was consistency. before there was only one or two online ad sites, none of them required a handle. After new sites popped up (after CL popped down) the new ad sites had forums, so you needed a handle or login id as well. On those sites i used a different one, because this handle didn't make sense for advertising sites. However now most of those forum ad sites no longer exist or no longer rely on the handles either. so glad i never did change this one to match those. At one time i think i was on 7 or 8 different sites with this handle, now it is down to 3, one of the sites I visit maybe once a month. the other i stopped posting on it 2-3 years ago, and doubt if i have visited it more than once this year. In over 10 years, i have never changed my working name.

i am interested in whether or not any legal actions will be taken against any advertising venue. I have a feeling they'd like to avoid the attempt, since i am fairly sure the court system will throw out everything they bring up. I remember reading an article that talked about what happened when the criminalizations laws were put in place in the 80s, the public solicitation one. LE was dragging guys in who simply drove thru a known area, or flashed their lights. It took some time for the courts throwing everyone out, and judges laying down their own set of requirements before LE figured out that public solicitation meant more than just walking down the street past an sp.

Depending on where you are, there are grocery chains that allow online shopping with delivery.

The bottom line is that maybe 10-15% of all clients even know there were old laws, let alone new ones now. Of those who knew there were laws, I would guess that 75% of them thought it was all illegal, that there was nothing about it that was legal, and that all because everyone's vision of it is the enforcement of the street workers/clients, i.e. PUBLIC solicitation. there were NO laws broken due to solicitation alone, the law broken was doing it in public. that is why it was always ok to discuss it fully either in person, in a phone call and via text/email, those having expectations of privacy. review sites/ad sites also had a certain favour because they are adult content, and you have to go thru a process (age check or registration),, so they've always been given a pass as not public. No maybe guys should not be asking for rates/services, however there is no reason under these current laws that sps cannot give them freely, put them in their website or ads. The only thing illegal about putting them in ads has nothing to do with clients or sps, it is only to do with the advertising site. In Vancouver & Victoria i am sure clients and sps have listened to LE and city councils in both cities, and heard that their policy will to be to not enforce any of the c36 laws (other than the obvious underagers & exploitation trafficking). if there is no one to enforce these laws, then it stands to reason there is no reason to follow the letter of those laws, i.e. free to discuss rates and services as in the past. i don't recommend doing anything risky in some other cities tho. you'd want to check the local papers for evidence that they are cracking down on indy incalls, or hotel escorts or agencies or advertising charges. which is why mod came down hard with rules/regulations about all services/rates, whether in reviews (i think that is ongoing) but especially in ads. the ONLY people who get into trouble for s e x services lists in ads is the advertising site. the ONLY question that those who knew what the new laws would be was whether or not a site like this one or bp would be shut down by LE for providing a space to post such ads. the work around has always been the bp way, don't put them in your ad, the ad stays up, the site stays out of legal problems. the new law has only been charged with those who also get charged with trafficking. In this situation, the advertising law is only being charged for someone who is posting ads on behalf of an sp. so this happens when the micros get shut down (asian mini agency/incalls). Also if anyone is caught as a pimp, he/she is charged with among other things, advertising the services (i can't remember the full charge, it is in the list of the charges the guy who recently got shut down in Ottawa) So if ads are explicit, neither the client or the sp get into trouble. only someone posting such ads on behalf of an sp or the site itself can face charges. clients reading ads or sites are not responsible for the content of these ads. sps are legally permitted to put all rates and services into their sites or ads. perhaps a case could be made that clients are not allowed to read them. I will continue to give out all the info, because i do not want to have someone guessing what i do or don't do, have them show up, then leave when they find out face to face what that is. I do advise them tho to be aware that at some point in some city they may encounter an ad that is an LE sting to get them to ask about it. however, it seems unwieldy and unlikely for LE to abandon the easy street sweeps netting dozens of clients in two nights for the more complicated incall indy stings, just to get a couple of guys to talk about services for dollars in order to charge them for that. i will bet real money that no one prosecutor wants to take the first incall indy sting client into court to test these new laws.

cut and paste the ad content as well. I've seen those phrases before.