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Thanks for posting this. I am surprised she says that a lot of other advertisers would contact her, especially asian ones. I'm not in TO, but I have not once ever been contacted by another sp seeking help like this. I do think it is important for us in the industry, or those who use it, to remember just how many of the sps out there are young, start younger. A young sp, especially in TO, even if she is in an agency being sent out on calls, may still have someone at home collecting her $$. Built in client base, and now they don't even have to do any work whatsoever: no ads, no driving, no security, and their girls still bring home cash. For a guy who don't like work, that must be a dream come true. :ablow:

I lost my note, but it is still able to run task manager by calling it taskmgr instead of task manager. Someone will know how to do it, but I think you go to start>run>taskmgr task mgr might be two words.

There are ways, just not on this particular site. And also, word of mouth, or just simply doing it too often in a way that eventually every new or regular client experiences it at least once. When that happens, no amount of past recommendations or even the lack of negative reviews or comments on this site will help. I think the main focus of this particular site is for sps to not have to be defensive, or get attacked and trashed. This will happen regularly on the other sites; also will be encouraged in a way simply by allowing it to happen in the first place. If clients wish to get to know an sp by her posting and presence, then going onto a review board where this happens will get a completely different groups of sps willing to post than this site which allows them to relax and be more themselves. For many clients, that difference is invaluable. There are many eastern review sites where, if you are having specific problems with an sp's reliability you can go ahead and post the info there. But to me, that is more like an un-review, it is not a review. It does not discuss a session, or services, or attitude or environment provided. It is simply a statement of fact: she did not show up, she did not cancel (or cancel in time to make a difference), she has done this often. What real purpose does that sort of thread serve, really, especially if the service, etc is really great when it happens and the event of No Show is very infrequent? It seems that the poster of such an announcement or warning has a grudge, an axe to grind, a beef, a means at his disposal to get revenge on her? Considering they have not met, or met before and things went well, how valuable is that lol. I think most would prefer to find out what she is actually like in session, not that this particular client cannot go with the flow, lacks understanding and might be a bit too high maintenance. I do find that many sps might end up avoiding someone who posts such a thread, if he is not careful enough to avoid sounding bitchy. :-D

I have this FRAME channel thru Shaw digital box, which is a commercial free channel. It is kind of similar to the all music radio stations but with pics, and only one kind of music. I haven't really watched it until today, but the photos are very fine. I bet it would be nice to put on during a session instead of a blank screen with one of the Galaxy radio stations. But the music is limited, and uncredited and unmentioned, from what I can see. Mostly Tangerine Dream, Colorworks, Jesse Cooke, Ottmar Liebert, Al deMeola, Paco de Lucia, kind of stuff. All in that kind of style. Has anyone else bothered to watch it or use it at all? I can imagine it would be quite the thing on a large screen hd tv. I couldn't seem to find any pictures of this all picture channel lol.

This reminds me of the most common query i get, because I do advertise women welcome. However i do not see couples. Sessions are one to one. So, first I am asked do I see couples, and when I say no then it segues into "Is it ok if he (I if the caller is male) just comes to watch". No, it is not ok because that would make it a couple session, regardless of how much or how little 'he" wants to do, 2 people is 2 people. For me, the risk is that it becomes 2 to 1 and I will always be the 1, and I will always be the busy one, leaving one of the two more of a potential risk to me. Also, typically the couples may be having other 3 somes out there, unprofessionally. Almost 100% of the clients I have who have had playdates with such couples say that no protection is used when they are with the woman. No cbjs, no cfs. So the risk and potential danger is not just being outnumbered, but being with a group of people who often do not practise even basic safe sex. The sp is going to have to explain about changing the condom and using condoms for bjs, and who has time for that lol. So for double the rate, it relates to the added risk, plus there is more work, balancing 2 people, making sure the woman really is totally on board with this and that it is not an unwelcome surprise to her. The cheapest couple rate I have ever heard of is an extra 100 on top of the hourly rate. Also not every sp is fully into women, but will do the gay-for-pay thing. Agencies may have a tendency to promote sps the same whether they are into it or not, to get the booking with whoever is available. Most indies who do advertise that they see couples do so because they are fully interested tho, and I would suggest the OP choose indy not agency. For best results you should also be looking at a 1.5 to 2 hr minimum visit for a couple.

A sensual massage with hand release with someone who does a gfe style r&t (usually means that kissing, etc is allowed, usually found with someone who does fs as well as massage). If you haven't done it, and you find someone who does it really well, you will be one of those who finally "gets" why some guys only ever do r&t. It can be fun, intimate, sexy, and very much "more" than the old standby fs. Get a 1.5 hour tantric with body slide and russian r&t and doubtful you will ever go back to hu hum full service lol.

A little sideways from topic, but have you considered o just going for massage and not doing it reverse? . It might be of benefit to simply enjoy the session from the POV and when you have tried it out this way, you might feel less awkward on your 2nd or 3rd visit. I tell ya, one of the most heard questions I do not want to answer is "what do you like?: or have to discuss the topic of how someone wants me "to enjoy it too" I enjoy a massage session most when I am doing it; I find the whole process and sensuality of touch and movement is very cool. I do not much like to interrupt that natural flow of that but a more natural progression is to be touched while doing it after a change of postitions. Sometimes reverse massage may just mean it is going to be ok to touch her while she touches you, and maintain eye contact while she is in a comfortable position (feeling safe and in control goes a lot further with feeling relaxed than laying down back to a naked stranger actually). You are able to touch the entire front of the body, which is probably the most preferable touchable bits anyway lol. Anyway, just an idea so you do not have to stress too much about what to do or how to give a massage at all. visit a few times, get some massage ideas, and then later on, go ahead and give it a try. One piece of advice I give out to new callers when they start filling up the menu or checklist of all they plan to accomplish in a half hour is to not try everything at once, and that more is not always better, sometimes it is just more.

I was beginning to think it was just me. Cerb was the 3rd site that had given up on me in a 24hour period, and then a 4th one gave me a kick as well. By the 3rd one, I figured there was some kind of cosmic convergence telling me to go outside and enjoy the sunshine instead of reading posts online. They all came back at some point, then my PVR decided it didn't want to VR anymore last night. :cool:

I would bet that the poster of the ad is male playing around. Also common is picture collectors and spammers. They post fake ads to get email addresses, but first need a pic to lure more replies. Thing is, most legit women posters in w4w do not post their ads with pics, so big red flag is one who does. Just report this to abuse at craigs list dot org Sorry, have to spell it out, but if the address could be allowed to post, it is an extremely important one for any advertising sp or any sp period. CL has a really swift reply turnaround, so not really any reason to get too stressed.

I just think the OP is overthinking over analyzing it. If you truly want to feel that (you cannot know 1000%. only feel it is true) that the sp enjoys her work, become a regular client. Far more becomes clear to a known and regular visitor than someone who shows up once, doesn"t feel the "connection" and keeps on searching Accept that it is pretty rare to find one sp who will fulfill 100% of what you would like to see, and accept the next best match. This is the one to spend time with and grow into a client-sp relationship. When you prove yourself to be safe and reliable (takes one visit), and then move onto be a regular visitor who makes and keeps his appts, does not push for more than what is freely offered (proving yourself a safe regular client), then you will by your actions find that you are visiting an sp who enjoys your visits. She might not enjoy every client's visits, but she will enjoy her time with you, and that is what is important after all. Nothing relieves stress in an sp reaching for that phone than getting a call from someone who has your info, knows the way to the door, and is going to show up and be nice.

I think this is perfect. Say nothing at the time; acknowledge it later. That way you both know that it was the best thing to do. Having said that, I know that if I am going into a place, and anyone at all is coming out, I will smile and say hello or thx or whatever at the time. That is just years of working retail does to you I think lol. Auto response. If that happened to be a client, who knows what they might think or respond? Hopefully a nod and carry on. I was Xmas shopping at a mall I don't normally go to, helping a friend actually. But, not being a shopper, I was sitting on a bench totally tired. Happened to see an sp I had an online relationship with, nice girl on a break at the time, out with her SO shopping as well. I let it go, rather than run up to her, call her by her sp name (in front of her SO), and with the possibility of my friend overhearing too. later I just pmed to her, and she said, oh you should have said hi. Well, next time we know lol, but at that time, it was far better not to, pm later, and play it safe.

Being a soft, sensitive and delicate creature that I am ;) , when I am giving out the do's, don'ts and tips at the start, I usually tell new clients that they can NEVER go wrong with any woman they are with, if they start slow, soft and gentle with everything from kiss to daty. If the lady needs or wants more, let her be the one to say so. She will not have a problem if you are soft at first, but someone who needs you gentle ALL the way, will have a huge problem if you aren'T. Often, that is enough for me (like biting or using teeth on nipples on me) to find a way to cut things short. It is that or at best discomfort, at worst actual pain. :shock:

Should just be one (the HST), not all 3. Not sure if there is an error on the bill, or if they are laying it out but you might want to verify the total before and after taxes?

Not from your posts, sorry, but I have heard it posted about many many times on different boards by sps and clients alike. To me, it is not enough of a reason to justify known risk activities. I must say that Herpes seems to be the big bugaboo lol. (actually, if you saw a high track sp in downtown van, one of those $500 fs (non gfe) types, chances are VERY good she would lay a towel between you both to avoid skin to skin contact.) Regardless of some potential risks, cbjs are far safer than bbbjs across the board, and for a variety of infections. You can be safe and fun, but something like a bbbj will absolutely take the safe out of the equation. AFter that, you are simply lucky.

That is a good point on #3. If the sp is renting the hotel room, which they often do in order to not be having a bawdy house type incall location, technically it would still fall under that definition. One thing she can do is outcalls to hotel rooms, which may be why sps think that renting one makes it ok. Probably legally speaking it is not any more ok than renting a small apartment or doing it from home (both of which would be simpler and less hassle anyway). The gang bang guy could collect money if he had a legit escort agency service, technically. But some dude taking money from guys who get services from the sp is not just a pimp, but living off the avails, and procuring. (also that it is being publically announced on CL, means that LE has an opportunity to be all over it. Would not want to be the naked dudes in the lineup when the cops bust in!!)

The herpers thing is a lame excuse for requesting bbbjs, tho, imo. Herpes is used as an example, but is one of a dozen stds/infections possible. Herpes and HIV are often used as reasons why bbbjs are ok, because either it is possible to get herpes with a condom or because the risk level is very low for HIV via bbbj. However, if one contracts chlamydia in the throat (or eye via a facial lol), one is out of commission, not working for at least a week while on medications. Then possibly longer. I am not sure of any sp who wants to take a forced vacation. there are no medical benefits in this job. No, a client is unlikely to divulge his health status prior to starting a bbbj, but the fact is the client is unlikely to have ever been tested at all. Many stds do not have symptoms, or a symptom may appear then subside, leaving anyone who is afraid to get tested into a false sense of feeling OK. Add to that the # of obnoxious guys who do have HIV/AIDS, herpes, gonhorea (ok, I canNOT spell that word), or symptoms of chlamydia, and deliberate seek out bbbj providers to spread it around in some kind of vindictive act of revenge on sps or all women, whatever seems to turn their crank. That alone is one main reason I do not provide bbbjs, ever. Unfortunately, for everyone, limits are set based on the dangerous ones, not the safe ones. I just feel quite sorry for the poor agency run sps, or similar, who cannot control who they see and what they offer if they want to get calls.

Something I read not that long ago indicates that A & B would be considered a bawdy house and subject to the same interpretation. Because the client sees so many different sps or so often, it becomes the same as an sp doing incalls in one place with the same results. I thought it was interesting, to interpret that way, but I think the LE making this suggestion was trying to imply there is no legal way to do it. I also think that most courts would laugh either charge out the door, unless as mentioned there are numerous sps working in one place, there is high traffic, etc. Majority of incalls busted lately seem to be asian micros, with the empĥasis both on traffic and the fact as visitors on tourist visas, these asian sps are working in Canada illegally and can be deported for that.

You do have a couple of options. ONe is to set up and confirm with pm and email, and if she is looking for a phone call let her know your limitations, suggest an alternative like you will call her from a specific payphone. Or, provide your cel # and have her call you, unless you know that incoming callers are also recorded? If she blocks her #, there is not the same kind of tracing tho, and your employer need not know this is not a legit biz caller. To find out if your # is blocked, simply as someone you know to let you know when you call them. To block your #, press *67. To unblock, press *82. Reputable sps never ever call you back, without you leaving a message for them to do so. If you are initially contacting sps via pms, you should explain this and in the unlikely event someone sometime calls you, simply say wrong #, hang up, then press *60 to block them from ever calling your # again (actually, you would check with your phone service to see what options they have for blocking single #s.)

Good comment. In addition, it has been indicated quite clearly the thread the OP is mentioning was not even written by an sp but by someone who had access to her account, and an axe to grind. So using it as an example of how sps think even just as a discussion topic is pointless.

I don't allow prebookings, and only do within the hour booking/confirmations, so you would take that to mean the # of no shows/no cancels would be lower. But typically, there are anywhere from 1-3 per day. For myself, I no showed maybe 3 times total. One was a malfunctioning phone where the entry is on the phone, and somehow the cord got disconnected and I was not watching the front door. When I did finally notice, and checked for messages left by the poor guy, all he said was "call him back". Lesson learned for everyone here: his # is blocked, and he did not leave his phone #. I am ok with block #s, but revealing your # (and providing one for much easier contact) can help alot. Of course, he was leaving by the time I saw him there, no way for me to slip downstairs and catch him, and not once to this day has he called me again. :-( Another time I was called away, and had to leave. Fortunately, met up with him on his way to the door as I had to leave. Another blocked # situation, btw. I could have called him while he was still on his way, but without a # not possible. I was glad that I could tell him the situation, but like the above example, he never came back again. Another case was someone who assumed we had an appt, and came to the area and called several times only after he arrived to a nearby intersection. Had he called before he left home, he would have known I would be busy until a certain time and we could have set something up then. As it was, he called 6-8 times, left a couple of messages, none of which I could answer or return until after he left the area again.

If you think you can do the fancy stuff without a computer fixerupper on your own, just google that phrase task manager disabled. There is a fix for it online (I had to look it up myself, because something disabled my task manager as well. It is a byproduct of this virus thing you picked up. They get the task manager disabled so you can't check and then go shut them down.) I myself would just rather someone else does it because I am convinced I am going to go in and get started, something will go horribly wrong, and I will have deleted everything and not fixed it. But if you have more confidence than me I suggest you take a look at that. The thing I do is make sure I don't have anything much open, and I also restart my computer frequently during the day. Firefox then comes up with a screen that lists all the open windows I had when I closed it down. It is not unlike the Task Manager as it sometimes lists one or two sites that are open and invisible to me: one is mainadver. com (followed by /blank.php) and another basicmoneyadver .com . I googled these and found out more about them, along with tips on how to get rid of them, and more links on how to get back the Task Manager. good luck

It would be my opinion that the sps contacted simply feel that you have a quirky or interesting way of setting up an appt. I highly doubt that that it seriously crosses their mind that sex is not part of the package. When you do invite them to the bedroom, I do not think that any one of them sees this as any symbolic, but simply the second half of the appt. I think you are overthinking and putting something into it that really is not there. In other words, they have already decided before they met you that things are going to progress to the bedroom. There is no "decision" or "connection" made after arrival as I am pretty sure not one of them considers the donation as just paying for their time and companionship, and that the next stage is what progresses naturally if they were on a real date. In other words, if it were a real date and they really did believe that they could leave no questions asked full donation in hand because they just weren't feeling it, they would. Additional Comments: I think I have had the pleasure of being treated well by almost every visitor, but still take care of the biz first. It does not seem to me that the two are at a conflict, but I have never felt the need to dress things up fancy (like in an unsealed envelope, laid by the door, untouched (and unchecked lol) or no discussion of services and rates, as tho none of that is taking place nor is it why I was contacted in the first place) I find the entire experience, from contact to discussion to settling up to that main event part of the process, and also, part of what helps clearly define the boundaries and lines and rules of engagement. Without clear discussions, and clear acceptance of payment and clearly outlined schedule of events, far too many clients have the potential of losing it into a fantasy world of thinking something is happening that is not: a good time is not a love match or connection. Someone who is good at what they do should make him feel like wonderful, but then they part company and he goes his way and she goes her. No illusions, and no need for more.

This whole area should NEVER be assumed is ok. It would be like having someone stick their finger in your eye, then asking later if that is ok, and/or ignoring the fact that you tell them it is not ok and just keep on doing it. As far as part of GFE at all, I would say no. It might be something a greek provider is open to. I would put it as part of a PSE tho, for those who offer it. Like anything, this is something you should be asking about before you start poking your fingers or tongue into anything at all lol. Also, be extremely careful of trying to combine DATO with DATY. Transferring bacteria from anal to pussy can be extremely harmful, in terms of infections. I would say the same thing about combining DATO with kissing. Just be aware of what you are doing and try to take some precautions; also to be aware of the "ick" factor. I am not too sure of how many people, m or f,, who would welcome the idea of kissing someone who has been licking their ass. A little courtesy and common sense goes a long way. There are far too many unpleasant byproducts of DATO, like exposure to parasites and hepatitis, that make it a really bad idea. But along with that is the fact that many people simply do not want anyone poking around down there, find the sensation unpleasant, and if you are expecting someone to enjoy what you are doing, you should know that going in to always ask first before you do anything whatsoever. And I suggest that if you are a fan of giving and receiving DATO, the very first thing you should get are the hepatitis shots. This will ensure, at least for some part, your continued good health. Oh, and in case anyone was confused by my post, if anyone ever tries to do this with me (consider, I tell you up front it is a no go zone) I will hurt you lol. Be prepared for a very strong and negative reaction from anyone you try this on without asking first.

Firstly, always get payment out of the way up front and to avoid anything awkward or being ripped off afterward. It might seem suspicious, but someone bringing a 100 bill to an 80 appt with all the counterfeit stories we hear about is something to be wary of. If you get paid first, it can be dealt with in a couple of ways: - He doesn't want to pay 100, so leaves. - He pays 100 for the 80 appt, and learns a valuable lesson about bringing exact change. - He goes and gets the bill changed into 20's and returns with exact change. - You offer something in exchange for the extra 20 you are getting: in time, in service, in an offer of a 20 discount for his next visit. When you explain that you do not have change, you do it in a way that shows that it is not wise for you to have cash on hand, rather than in a way that implies you are trying to skim extra 20's off the clients. (altho a rate of 80 does not imply that to me lol, since he should not have brought a hundred dollar bill in the first place expecting change.)

I think many little girls respond to that question with the usual "ballerina" or similar, just like little boys might have said "cowboy". If you ask them later in life, when they do have a better concept of what jobs are out there, you just might get a different one. Megan is not the first sp I have heard a similar story from, waiting to turn 18 in order to do this work. I also don't hear a lot of people honestly suggesting they really want to be a ________ (fill in the blank with a less than glamourous occupations: retail sales, checkout cashier, fry cook, construction worker, etc etc etc)