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I am just wondering if the OP is only referring to when he sees the term in a recommendation? To me, that would mean he is not sure exactly what the poster means when they say safe. And to me I think in a recommendation, or if someone is describing services received, it might make more sense to simply say what was rather than use an "everything safe" reference. Some sps use it in ads and for them it means they do not offer any GFE elements so there is no daty, no kissing whatsoever, cbj only. Others use it when they offer everything GFE but do a covered bj. It just makes more sense to me to just say what is or isn't available, and edit it only by adding hygiene a must or conditional bbbjs lol. At least the clients will know what is possible, whether they get it or not then is only up to them.

I've been doing this long enough to know that many guys only read as far as the phone # (which is usually in my ad title or within the first 2 lines) and that's it, lol. But it only takes me 30 seconds to spout off the rates, description and location, and that is that. I actually prefer the opportunity to chat a bit, whether it is to verify a service or check out my hair colour, because that is how I screen the caller. I would not have to do that 50 times a day tho if I had all of that info already somewhere else (I do not btw, any new caller has to ask me for rates and services, they do get a pic and a description tho) What annoys me about blocked callers (I have no prob answering the calls -- many many of my great regs have blocked #s) but many new callers with block #s will do as described: call 5 or 6 times within seconds and never once leave a message with their #. Altho I answer when I am able, if I am busy I cannot. Calling back seconds later won't change that; not leaving a message ensures you will not reach me unless you call after a reasonable amount of time lol. I have found also that many guys have been burned by what they read in an ad or site, only to get to see the sp and find out that nothing promised is actually available. They use the phone call to verify the rates and services directly with the sp. Being open to discussing them can make the difference between a new reg or a guy who decides to pass. However, I do see the point of the ladies who post the advice in their ads and on their site. If it helps weed out the negative energy, then it accomplishes the goal.

I would say the same for me. (and I am also mature). I do not mind younger guys, as long as they are polite. They are more inclined to ask me first if I will see younger guys, tho, to check, which I find even more courteous.

That is a good point. Because, to many people in the straight world (and to a small percentage of the client world (the nasty ones, no one here btw) there is absolutely no difference between a street girl and an indoor sp. The most common perception is that all sps are SWs, and all SWs are infected, drug addicted, marginalized, victims of incest, and work for 40 bucks a date. There are many like this but that accounts for so few, you wonder why LE needs to worry about sting operations that target their clients. If any sp needed the money more, it is an SW on low or mid track, imo. Stings scare away the clients, making this group of women poorer and more desperate, willing to take far more chances with their lives to get the few guys who are not scared off after these stings. The higher rate SW (street workers) used to be quite easy to pick out (in vancouver, is my base of knowledge tho). Skin tight short shorts, often in white (easy to see at night), ridiculously high heels, walking or strolling along specific set of streets (high end girls charge more, younger, prettier, nicer looking and dressed). These days of course there is not much difference between what a young woman dresses and looks like when she goes out to a dance club or a high track SW. (Some SWs of course are underage, cannot legally work at an agency, or are male, or trans)

There are different levels of enjoyment. For some, just having someone else enjoy their experience is pleasure enough. I think that in that case, it is mutual enjoyment, as most people would not continue in work that they really dislike for too long, regardless of the pay. I think some times the client has an expectation the sp MUST have an orgasm, which can lead to pressure to have one (or fake one), and any sort of pressure or expectations can actually have the opposite effect. I do think that comfort with the other person goes a long way to getting to the big O. I simply do not buy into the chemistry, clicking or connection theory, because it really is mostly about a physical stimulation done the right way. I think any guy can tell you that he can still come even in an unplesant situation lol, where there is no chemistry whatsoever.

It still sounds like you are expecting to pay her hour rate for one person and expect her to see you both for that hour. Let us know if that is not the case: For what I think you expect, you want to see an sp who charges 250 per hour, and you and he share her hour time together and each pay 125? If that is the case, then forget about it because you are not really bringing anything to the table in terms of a compromise to expect her to charge less to do more. 2 guys is more than one guy. One guy pays 250 per hour, so what benefit is it to her that now she gets 250 but has to deal with 2 guys instead of one? Why not book each of you for a half hour, and see her one on one? That is where you will only have to pay "half and half".

New Zealand had similar laws to Canada's (re: the big 4 added laws that prohibited incall work, living off the avails, and public solicititation) but prostitution itself as here was legal. They decriminalized everything around it more than 5 years ago, and put up many regulations surrounding it. They made it simple to work at home alone, for example. Licenses are required for business fronts, agencies, mps, or if the incall location is hosting more than 3 sps. That helps reduce the traffick to the apartment of course, but they don't limit the work in that way that one expects, that each and every escort would need to get a license (they do this in Alberta, to work legally you need a license; it does not affect the big 4 laws, but the sps do not get fined by the city for working without a license for example). What was most noticed in New Zealand was eliminating these sorts of laws, and bringing in regulations, and making it dead easy for any sp to work indoors, at home, with help, etc etc etc did NOT reduce the number of sps who worked on the street. It did I think have the result that the ladies on the street felt better protected by the LE and felt that if they were assaulted or even just ripped off by a non-paying customer, they had the confidence to report the incident. But for some reason, street work did not significantly change and I think all of us would assume that it would be a natural outcome of that.

I would say expect the rate to be 2 x the rate for one person for the time involved, and hope she does offer a lower rate. That will completely depend on your expectations, tho. You may end up with an hour rate minimum x 2 even tho individually you are both not going to get one on one time with her for the entire hour. But that is the part of the fantasy, really. Also, you might expect her to have extra safety precautions in place if she is willing to see 2 guys at one time. It may be references, or it may be in suite security (or possibly just a 2nd sp for backup). You shouldn't let that deter you tho, because really the more comfortable she is the more fun you will have. If an sp does duos, you don't often just pay an extra 100 (or nothing extra at all) for the 2nd sp, but more likely pay the full rate for each of them. That is why duos are such a special treat lol.

Victoria Jolie did, and she travels. Youd have to check her ads if she still does. Other than that, I would imagine the agencies and mps in your area can accept CC payment? Aside from that, and maybe not preferable but still doable, is to take a cash advance from the CC to pay in cash?

Well, that would happen if it was a shifty client, making good on his threats to post negative comments, tho. It would then be expected, and her post would be a counter to that, giving us a reason for his posts. Of course, it is hard to tell, until others take the time to see and review her. If she has a habit of posting her own glowing reviews, it will be obvious over time.

I too find this request is pretty rare coming to me. I think for myself it is the lack of PSE offerings, and doing cbj, and being more massage oriented that helps direct interest in me away from the bbfs requesters. I have heard from other sps they are asked frequently, and noticed the difference in ages and restrictions they have that made me assume that what they offer and how they offer it attracts that kind of request more than for me. I think Busty Vanessa is quite right -- the norm was cbj, but also the norm was not gfe like kissing and daty being assumed, or expected. Somewhere things changed, perhaps thru new sps being ignorant of stds or the assumption that the risk of HIV is low, so it does not matter about giving the bbbj anymore. Who knows. But the fact is that providing cbj means only that you are not competing with those who do provide it, and you are attracting a different clientele, or that the client will come to see you regardless. I think that as long as they know up front they can decide. Personally, I quite resent the "deal breaker" comment, and find it incredibly rude and offensive and pushy, coming from the posts of clients. It gives sps the impression that their biz is or will suffer by not providing something they do not wish to provide, it implies they are being pressured or coerced into providing it in order to get their biz, and it reminds me of blackmail, and similar to the sorts of posters who pm to sps saying they want a discount, or they will write a bad review (which seems to happen a lot to newer sps). Anyway, that is my rant re: the "deal breaker" comment. I do not mind if sps offer bbbjs (I would not in a million years, lol), as long as they have fully educated themselves, and fully get themselves tested frequently and with full knowledge that that testing needs to include bloodwork and throat swabs (and in some cases, maybe eye checks) to fully understand that infections can manifest in more than just one place. If they accept that they are at risk of getting 9-10 different stds by providing bbbjs rather than cbjs, and accept that risk, then by all means........

It also becomes PC, lol. Commonly used terms are ok by me, and in fact seeing the term sp is preferable to other words, for me. As service provider, that can mean just about any level; although for out here, for those who work on the street, SW is always used to separate indoor and outdoor. One term that confuses me is MP, as out here it is only used to refer to massage parlour, not massage provider and I think it is used to refer to someone who does not do fs out East? So sp does not necessarily mean only fs providers, but literally anyone providing any sort of sexy service.

I've seen those too. Some sps only do bj sessions, too. But if they do it, they will advertise it. And if they are really good, or serious and provide a good encounter, it will never be "just" a blow job.

Never underestimate the power of sexy lingerie to start off a massage! Also, the effects of getting down to stockings and heels, to finish it off. One thing accompanied showers to start limits how different outfits can be used to create different moods, etc, and somehow no matter how appealing a nude massage can be, it can be more visually enticing with garters, stockings and heels along with everything else bare, for sure. Stripping as you go is an option, but shared shower time at the start might interfere with that, so maybe the guys need the option of solo shower & lingerie, or duo shower and start to end nude?

I thought it was a nice gesture to give her something for her time. I often consider in the case of agency sps, that the client is relying a lot on the agency to represent the sp in a truthful way -- and am sure that is not often what happens. The sp also relies on the agency to not get sent to someone who is clearly looking for things they don't provide or someone else. Awkward. I think that she was either ill prepared to meet with you, or that that is how she sees clients. Either way, not really acceptable. socks and t-shirts? At what point did she ever think that would be ok? Last time I checked, clients don'T book appts with sps to get a ratty bathrobe and socked feet experience lol. I would have suggested that you do contact the agency tho and let them know the problem. It might not change the way they do things in the future, but no reason not to express that to them. In some cases I suggest someone call up the agency while the sp is there, especially when the client is told one thing and the sp says something else re: menu, $$, etc. The best way to deal with it is to deal with it on the spot.

Typically, they are not true negotiators, since they not only do not plan to give anythiing up in the exchange for a discount, they are typically more demanding, more agressive, and want more services than originally provided. I have countered with the reply that if 20 bucks is going to make that much of a difference to them, they should keep it all and not see anyone. Also, that yes they can see other sps for less, but they cannot see me. Also, that I have lower rate options, so they can see me, have a good time, but they cannot have everything they are looking for at that price. This is what I mean by they refuse to compromise, but expect the sp to do so. Sure there are a lot of other advertisers but I am willing to bet that you can count on one hand the number of mature sps, or bbw sps, or sps within 5 km of them, or white sps, or on and on and on, whatever it is they are actually looking for (beyond a low price) which you actually are -- which drew them to contacting you in the first place. Additional Comments: I often say don't advertise specials. Many view this as a sign of desperation, and that is why you get more inquiries offering even less that the special. Wait for them to contact you, and offer it then, if you do have a special rate to offer. It is all in who it ends up attracting, and these discount seekers are not ideal clients in the end, since ideal clients repeat regularly and often. Discount seekers will take advantage of the special, and figure that that rate applies to them for ever.

Texting is simply another way to make a phone call. If you as an sp would not call up a client out of the blue, looking for biz or just to chat, with a phone conversation, then doing it by text is not any more OK. An email can be opened in private, and not be viewed by anyone but the recipient, but a text just shows up. You have no idea where he is, who is he with, what he is doing, and there is simply no good excuse, whether you wish to know how he is or not. It always comes down to one thing, when it comes to clients making appts: when they are ready (time, funds, interested), then they will contact you. Calling them up out of the blue will not make them any more available. I only have two people I talk to with email, I would never call anyone up except to return a message. I feel mostly the same way about the emails. I will wait for contact, then reply as quickly as possible. I just feel nothing good comes out of calling people up.

With sps, better results come with repetition, simply because she has to be wary of first time clients to a certain extent. A repeat visit covers many issues, from whether he will no show, to being a perfect companion (who does not overstep boundaries). When she is 10000% relaxed, I think that only comes out of visit number 3 and more. But the same goes for the client as well. When he knows already he is coming to a safe place, where he is welcomed and knows what to expect, he is more relaxed as well. It is a two sided win. For variety factors tho, I can see visiting multiple partners. I did feel that your other reason for choosing to do this is kind of off base. I am not sure that any of the sps or the clients would view becoming a regular this way: If you are seeing someone regularly, and is proven trustworthy, there is no danger to your family or career. If you visit a wide variety of unknown sps, who you have not established either a rapport or a trust level with, you actually are exposing your life to a lot more scrutiny and potential problems. This is because the more different people you visit, the more people know about you. If you only visit one or two people regularly, only those 2 people know about you. If after six months, or a year or more, nothing untoward has happened, it is unlikely that it will. If you see one wacky new chick a week, who knows who you might encounter.

Check the library as well. You can call up the main branch help line, see if they have copies anywhere, and check it out see if you do want to buy it, or at least get started while waiting for a copy to be shipped.

Maybe the Barrie guys who are online here can be encouraged to write up some of these sps in recos? Or does an sp or spa attendent need to be a member to get a write up? Even if there were a half dozen reports of indy and spas, that might generate some of them to join up and pursue this site for that area? A reviewer would have to tell them they are going to do a write up, tho, after a visit, so they know about it. If people are not online a lot tho they probably won't see the point. The majority of clients are always most likely going to come from their paper ads, but for the benefit of the site members, then the promotion of this site will have to come from the review side, not the sp side, imo.

Incall ensures client privacy -- no one need know full name, address and landline phone #, and this would (or should) be required by any sp indy or agency setting up outcalls. (For their safety, and also to help ensure it is not a prank call. ) Outcalls tend to be more expensive. Many sps are going to use a driver for protection. At the very least, they will provide all of your details to someone else as to where they are going. I think you will find a more relaxed and comfortable sp in her own space, rather than coming to you wondering what you have hidden in the closet, or if you have been drinking excessively, and that is why you didn't want to drive to see them, or whatever else might go thru their mind. With incall, they are in their own space, and normally would have a safe call (someone they call at the beginning and end of an appt) who will be looking out for them. If you use a little common sense, it is doubtful you will set your incall appt up with a disreputable sp who is looking to rip you off with some dude in the other room. I have a hard time believing that the ads they create don't just scream it out lol. In any case, if you do not feel 100% confident that who you contact is going to be 100% on the up and up, do a 411 here to check her out, or simply do not go. See a few reputable ladies with good histories first until you know what to look for, what to watch out for, and you should do ok. I know this one guy who I think has seen 100's of sps, most recently all would be via CL, and to this date has had only a few not up to par experiences, and been actually extorted for cash once (well, twice, but it was the same sp using a different name) (which is unfortunate, since this same sp was actually providing inexpensive services at least a year ago, so something changed to the point that now she doesn't even do that, but threatens the guy with a bf in the next room for the $$)

16. The Elite Crown, for anyone reaching 1000+ posts!! (I just noticed this today, and thought it looks pretty cool) :smile: (sadly, I am far far far away from my crown.....:-( ) (I just wish there was a greater selection of smilies.....:razz:)

No kidding. I think there is a half dozen new threads a week, usually started by one person lol. Well, that is what happens when the boyz remove all the girlz; half the remaining boyz follow the girlz to the other boards. Perhaps the OP should check out the general discussion area. I have a feeling tho that this is just a bit of a kick at the can, and the OP posted, then disappears for another month or two.

I agree. They have to watch for that tendency to try to distance themselves too much from the potential client. A connection of some sort, and phone call would be best really, should be made before the guy has to make his decision. A few sites have ad space that allows a selection of pictures, a lot of room for description, rates and services and contact info. This should usually be enough for initial contact. Not every sp is high profile, full time, or looking to market themselves to a wider audience. Lack of website tho does not mean they are not able to provide professional level encounters.

Totally agree. I only ask you to take it off anyway, and leave you for a minute for that (my sessions start with massage). For that, casual clothing makes more sense, but many come directly from work or maybe some activity. Or they may be in the middle of the work day lol.